The Walking Dead Season 1 Finale (GAME OVER)

[pirate mollie]

not to mention that the hard push/deathtunneling on max is textbook to what a cw looks like,

what
Counterwagon to who?

I think that max is a counter to scum!kuroi

OR scum peregrine.

I didn't care for PeregrineV post about how he is woah as me in regards to his reads and sheeping others.

when votes went to perv there was a harder push on max.

can pple plz not forget this if max flips town, like I think he will. if he flips scum this will be awkward.

[pirate mollie]

I think dgb, bbt, far are town. I have felt bbt was town since d1, dgb wondering why she was so unimportant as to not deserve a wagon on her cos of her absence screams town to me, so I think

I think max will flip town.

I don't understand what magna is doing.

I am wondering about the cake boy/catdog dynamic but I am concerned that catdog has awoled. like BOTH HEADS.

I still do not like wis, cake boy or kuroi, magna's real estate has plummeted and so has vedith's. I have been mentioning vedith's for a while now and I shld probs pay more attention to that. after saying that about magna, this may be a playstyle/personality clash.

ank feels very cautious.

I am calling maria from now on yume2.

unsure on yaw, light town lean on basic, lean town on xkfy mebbe? I am very unsure on that, I wld have to think on that 1.

am I missing any1

[pirate mollie]

Peregrine, cakez, xk, mollie are my guesses if Maxous flips town

xk and Catdog if he flips scum

^ this is why I think wis is scum.

lynch this shit. he never cared what max wld flip he only cared about the cws cos max was obvs!scum in his eyes. this looks like scum distancing from a town lynch.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, if you could limit your scum reads to your most confident three scum, who would that be?

eh his claim looked honest so i cant pretend i dont expect him to flip town

jfc pple this is what you are townreading. js

[pirate mollie]

Peregrine, cakez, xk, mollie are my guesses if Maxous flips town

xk and Catdog if he flips scum

^ this is why I think wis is scum.

lynch this shit. he never cared what max wld flip he only cared about the cws cos max was obvs!scum in his eyes. this looks like scum distancing from a town lynch.

also, did I mention he is throwing shade? he is throwing shade on players he has not tried to sort.

[pirate mollie]

[pirate mollie]

Arent you describing yourself

[pirate mollie]

i mean, you're not trying to figure me out one bit, you just keep calling me scum

aka throwing shade at me

uh no

I have been trying to sort you the whole game. that shld be obvs.

do you know why I think you are scummy? cos of your posturing a scumread on max and then going "oh his claim looked good" when you were around and didn't unvote.

you are scum

[pirate mollie]

Goading=wisdom
My POV at least.

goading is what you did in this post

tell me more

[pirate mollie]

and no you haven't been trying to sort me at all

When you're town you poke me for reactions, you try to reach out, to do things

here you just keep calling everything i do scum

I have been doing this. you ignored a question I asked cos you didn't have time, were too lazy to answer, etc, wha--"

I am not the 1 who is being uncooperative here.

[pirate mollie]

Oh and if you don't want to say that was a cw to max.
Whom would you like to thank wisdom for no one else being entitle to push there wagon without you inserting yourself and POV in their face.

idgi

[pirate mollie]

Oh and if you don't want to say that was a cw to max.
Whom would you like to thank wisdom for no one else being entitle to push there wagon without you inserting yourself and POV in their face.

idgi

I'd quote those moments but I dont have time.
But I recall at least 2 time wisdom called a player scum for not voting max

okay I gotcha

[pirate mollie]

Oh and if you don't want to say that was a cw to max.
Whom would you like to thank wisdom for no one else being entitle to push there wagon without you inserting yourself and POV in their face.

idgi

I'd quote those moments but I dont have time.
But I recall at least 2 time wisdom called a player scum for not voting max

okay I gotcha

just to be sure

so did magna

[pirate mollie]

It's silly to think scum went "oh shit peregrine has 4 votes better finish off maxous quick" in the first place

are you pushing this cos you think max lynch is all town?

cos see these are the posts that I am fosing.

after you shoved his lynch through

[pirate mollie]

Okay mollie today you need to explain yourself.
Bbt: results?

give me time to catch up.

I am probably just going to explain and respond in 1 giant wall post rather than respond to each post individually. also i don't mind claiming cos I have a sneaky suspicion that scum already know what I am.

[pirate mollie]

okay I am here, actually I am not sure if scum know what I am but I do not mind clarifying. I am t-dog, town bodyguard. it was why I was confused about the no no kill n1, but I knew that there wld be second protective role out there (and said as much, claiming bp was the single only believable thing about hebi since it was the second part of my role in 1 of the micro twd games. everything else about her looked super scummy and I SAID THIS). I bodyguarded magna n1 and bbt n2. magna for his lead on the hebi lynch and wis ppush. and bbt for his claim from him and his clear on dgb. I thought that he was softing that he was gonna look at wis but apparently he was 1 shot. I was hoping he cld get an extra view.

[pirate mollie]

wall post in coming will not respond until I finish with that.

[pirate mollie]

okay, so!

*brain dump*

nka - ank was nked. nk1 is missing. ank flipped 2 shot doc.

yeah we can go with n2 being either an informed nk or a nk that scum wld benefit that they might think wld likely go through. who was ank looking at. <---- gonna look at that.
vca - I don't even have to do vca to know that max's lynch was shit.

lets look at who was on that wagon:

Maxous (9) - MagnaofIllusion, Young and Witless, SirCakez, Wisdom, MariaR, My Other Head Is Scum, KuroiXHF, Basic, DrippingGoofball

wow no1 died on this wagon. no1 died on hebi's d1 wagon either except for hebi, max and then ank.

oh lets talk this 1 out

I think kuroi is scum.

magna - loved his d1 HEBI IS SCUM PLAY! the max read was bad but there is a consistency to flatread objective scummy tells (his hebi and max read looked the same, along with his pushing bbt and dgb) which does not stack up to saying that you do meta dives.

why aren't you looking at meta if this is a viable tool. you looked at wis/me/kuroi meta and nothing meaningful or deep came out of it. what is this

vedith/fire - where is vedith. this is NOT the vedith who tried to sort dgb in badass. where is he

cake boy - I am trying to work out in my brain as to why he is pushing me as scum. especially if he thinks that I am hardclaiming another protective role. then he voted off. it makes me want to explore the question to whether or not he thinks my actions were sound.

wis - I am unsure on him ffs, he is being scummy enough to the point I want him dead. he isn't playing to any sort of transparency, if you follow what he says. his towning has been good but ugh HE CAN DO THIS SHIT AS SCUM

[pirate mollie]

ohh nvm. For some reason I thought I was T-Dog.

so why wld you think that you are tdog

[pirate mollie]

maria - I am calling her yume2 for a reason. notice not even scum are wanting to go there. MARIA GET PLZ HELP. PLZ GET IT TOGETHER

bbt- I think is town. I entertained it for bit that he was scum, no.

kuroi - relative scumtell + he is being genuinely townread for it. idgi

catdog - unsure.

basic - hhhmm

[pirate mollie]

cakez, who would you lynch other than pv?

ffs it should be obvious why I'm so focused on lynching PV

But I'll answer anyway
I would also lynch Xkfyu, or potentially Basic or Dwlee since CatDog's flakeout after UTL push on me fell apart looks very scummy
I probably have a wrong townread somewhere

that is not an answer

[pirate mollie]

ohh nvm. For some reason I thought I was T-Dog.

so why wld you think that you are tdog

can we possibly not lose this

[pirate mollie]

Every post BBT does makes me want to lynch him more

No

BBT what is your flavor btw? You never said

Merle Dixon.

something is wrong here.

[pirate mollie]

what is going on right now

VOTE: Dwlee99

what is your read on vedith?

[pirate mollie]

ohh nvm. For some reason I thought I was T-Dog.

so why wld you think that you are tdog

can we possibly not lose this

[pirate mollie]

Any specific reason your ignoring my head Mollie?

-fire

well it certainly isn't personal! I like you and it isn't that I am avoiding you it is just that I do not know how to read you or relate to you sometimes, especially when you scumread me and it is wrong. vedith and i had a recent game where we kismet on our understanding of the game in way that was super obvs and clear to me. I understood him and I felt like he understood me. I have not had that experience with you quite so much altho i do think we had a moment in summer. I just have a better baseline with him so he is the head that I am reaching out to and I am wondering why he is ignoring me.

plus I am not particularly feeling the warm fuzzies about any1 who was on the max lynch. and I can't quite decide where I stand with magna because of it. his d1 play was great but on d2 he pushed max for really bad counter-intuitive reasons that I really feel like he shld have known better about and rn I am trying to unravel that piece of the game.

[pirate mollie]

@ far

already on it

@ cake boy

I really liked your concern about dweelee but I am wondering why you are having a hard time keeping track of things when you are soft claiming a speshul.

how do you feel about catdog slot now that catdog has been replaced and dweelee is largely doing nothing?

[pirate mollie]

I dont have a townread on catdog

Well then color me confused why you are defending Dwlee so hard since he is Catdog ...

Well then perhaps you might consider writing in more than quick soundbite-style posts because that's the take-away I got.

What is your read on the Catdog / Dwlee slot then?

I echo these 2 posts and this is why i am having a hard time believing wis is town.

wis is smart enough to know that town either wins as a team or loses as a team, so i am wondering why he isn't working with town, or being clear in how he communicates cos I have already mentioned how it looks like scum burying shit with pithy 1 liners in a vacuous post where you have to link back to to the convo when you iso him cos otherwise you have no idea what he is saying in isolation.

I wld like to point out that this is a very specific scum trait that I have seen him do.

he does this as town too, but when pressed he actually bothers to explain things. I am not seeing that here. I am getting a distinct feeling that this is a playstyle that he is using to deliberately be as unhelpful as possible but do it in an unsuspicious way. you can't read wis by timing cos he is really good at timing as scum, it is 1 of the things that makes him hard to read.

body of work overall I think his play is more scum motivated than town.

[pirate mollie]

everyone needs to chill, by like half way through the week I will be gucci

the problem with this is that you are forcing a stall on any attempt to sort you. why replace in a game if you do not have the time to actually play it? I don't understand this.

[pirate mollie]

eta: especially when your previous slot holder gave the same reason for inactivity...while active elsewhere on site.

[pirate mollie]

I just replaced in immediately cause I knew I had to take the opportunity right away. Doesn't mean I have the ability to do stuff ~yet~

why wld you take the spot at the expense of other player's ability to sort the game? what made you want to replace into the game so much knowing that you wld not be able to initially engage optimally?

[pirate mollie]

also

Any specific reason your ignoring my head Mollie?

-fire

well it certainly isn't personal! I like you and it isn't that I am avoiding you it is just that I do not know how to read you or relate to you sometimes, especially when you scumread me and it is wrong. vedith and i had a recent game where we kismet on our understanding of the game in way that was super obvs and clear to me. I understood him and I felt like he understood me. I have not had that experience with you quite so much altho i do think we had a moment in summer. I just have a better baseline with him so he is the head that I am reaching out to and I am wondering why he is ignoring me.

plus I am not particularly feeling the warm fuzzies about any1 who was on the max lynch. and I can't quite decide where I stand with magna because of it. his d1 play was great but on d2 he pushed max for really bad counter-intuitive reasons that I really feel like he shld have known better about and rn I am trying to unravel that piece of the game.

So you decide that you will just give up trying to read me this game even though you correctly read me in a prevous game?

That doesn't compute to me.

Do you think Vedith is purposefully avoiding this game?

~Fire

I am not giving up on trying to read you. but you are in a hydra and I feel like I have a better baseline at reading vedith than you. I think you are scum. gut + posts, through and through. YOU have a playstyle that can sometimes throw up false positives for me tho so I want to engage with vedith so that I can clarify that read.

[pirate mollie]

I dont have a townread on catdog

Well then color me confused why you are defending Dwlee so hard since he is Catdog ...

Well then perhaps you might consider writing in more than quick soundbite-style posts because that's the take-away I got.

What is your read on the Catdog / Dwlee slot then?

I echo these 2 posts and this is why i am having a hard time believing wis is town.

wis is smart enough to know that town either wins as a team or loses as a team, so i am wondering why he isn't working with town, or being clear in how he communicates cos I have already mentioned how it looks like scum burying shit with pithy 1 liners in a vacuous post where you have to link back to to the convo when you iso him cos otherwise you have no idea what he is saying in isolation.

I wld like to point out that this is a very specific scum trait that I have seen him do.

he does this as town too, but when pressed he actually bothers to explain things. I am not seeing that here. I am getting a distinct feeling that this is a playstyle that he is using to deliberately be as unhelpful as possible but do it in an unsuspicious way. you can't read wis by timing cos he is really good at timing as scum, it is 1 of the things that makes him hard to read.

body of work overall I think his play is more scum motivated than town.

I just want it to make it very clear that THIS ^ post is what wis later responded to with this post:

mollie i definitely never care to explain anything and you know that. Stop making me paranoid.

I just want this to be very clear cos when you go back and iso wis, it will not be clear to what 90% of his one liners are referencing. so plz when you do iso wis plz go back to the point wis posted his posts, to read what he said in context.

anyway in response to wis:

you have explained things before as town when some1 whom you are loosely working with presses. in this game on 1 hand you keep posturing a scumread on me and will turn around and ask me to vote max with you, whom I have as town. you didn't even try to sort max, you just sheeped magna's awful case when I think a town!you can differentiate between town flail and scum flail (a skill I highly value in other players but unfortunately its a little on the rare side) cos I have seen you do it.

I think you are scum, there are too many red flags and your refusal to do anything to sort/improve is coming across as you steering the game and not sorting it. sorting a game is town motivated while steer is more scum motivated.

[pirate mollie]

@Mollie, I can't find posts directed at me, can you quote them?

-Vedith

sorry but you will have to the iso digging yourself. I am working a ton and my time is a little limited and there are a lot of things that I want to address.

what I have noticed is that you have not been around at hardly at all. there are things that I wld think town!vedith wld respond to and instead all i see is fire with his shitty read on me and you doing nothing about it. I have know I have talked ABOUT you but it is hard to ask questions when I don't even know what to ask cos you are not posting, yanno? I did ask fire where you were you and his response was to go, "go ask him!" which is hard to do when you are not around, does this make sense?

I mean what am I supposed to do, shout into the ethers "OHHH VEEEEEEEDITHHHH" and hope that you respond? I thought I already tried that already.

[pirate mollie]

@ far

already on it

@ cake boy

I really liked your concern about dweelee but I am wondering why you are having a hard time keeping track of things when you are soft claiming a speshul.

how do you feel about catdog slot now that catdog has been replaced and dweelee is largely doing nothing?

I think it's scum again
Town Dwlee would be doing things. And I hate the way CatDog flaked out.

I agree with you here.

[pirate mollie]

The fact people are dragging their feet so much is a good sign

I am not dragging my feet, you said to wait for perv so I am waiting for perv. plus I am not in a rush. I am still sorting the game with the new info that I have.

[pirate mollie]

oh what
I thought cakez was softing gunsmith
wtf??

You can't be serious.

I'm not sure why players have this paranoia about sir cakez claim without waiting for Pere to claim first.
Whomever is demanding a claim on sir want to explain why Pere shouldn't claim first?

I am in agreement here.

I am off to work, will be back later tonight.

[pirate mollie]

I just replaced in immediately cause I knew I had to take the opportunity right away. Doesn't mean I have the ability to do stuff ~yet~

why wld you take the spot at the expense of other player's ability to sort the game? what made you want to replace into the game so much knowing that you wld not be able to initially engage optimally?

I wld also like this answered.

[pirate mollie]

Besides, it's not like Peregrine doesn't know there's a result on him already

I am home and ketching up.

what makes you say that?

[pirate mollie]

mollie claimed bodyguard. How does that not make sense to you? She claimed something that self resolves, does that not fit?

Cakez claimed he has something that makes Peregrine 85% likely to flip scum.

bg is usually a self-resolving role as in the player usually dies before endgame. it doesn't even make sense as a scum fake claim considering how fucking derpy some town will get over any sort of claim. this feels a lot like the town game I just finished where I claimed treestump in a mini and 2 scum hard pushed on me cos derp town!beeboy and derp town!lld kept getting suspicious. guess what I flipped. treestump.

guess what I am gonna flip in this game. bodyguard.

this is not that hard.

[pirate mollie]

Also, with Mollie, what doesn't make sense is her claiming when there's no indication that she's about to lynch. If she's a bodyguard, there's no reason to claim. A town bodyguard does NOT want scum to know that they're a bodyguard.

She has been pushed since D1 to claim what her selfresolving thing is, this makes no sense

I agree. It makes no sense for her to claim now. Despite all that, there are still no votes for her.

This is all so fabricated it nearly makes me nauseated.

I just want to point that you pple lynched max over this thing.

LIKE YOU PPLE DID THIS

[pirate mollie]

There's no feasible way to verify this on command, and waiting for her to make it to LYLO is a bad plan in it of itself.

And why would scum want to try to kill someone they think might be a VT when there's a power role here they could kill.

WAT

[pirate mollie]

I'm saying the timing of her claim makes no sense.
Why?
Because it doesn't.

farside asked her to explain
MOHIS voted her
Magna said mollie needs votes today
Cakez said that Ank flipping doc makes mollie less likely to be a protective
I had her as nullscum

How the fuck is the timing wrong given the above gamestate and the fact we have been pressuring her to explain her claim since D1?

ugh wis. you are doing my head in.

[pirate mollie]

okay I am done. nothing new to add. kuroi is like holy cow levels of bullshit. I am off tomorrow and some things have shifted, like I will have to go back and look at pokemon to see wis and kuroi's dynamic as wscum together and give it some thought. like I was pretty committed to my scum!wis read but ugh, I like his angles but I feel like he can post like this as scum? I don't know, this is a read that I will have to think about and spend more time on so wis is unsure for now. I am NOT saying he is town, I am saying this will require more thinking.

[pirate mollie]

Besides, it's not like Peregrine doesn't know there's a result on him already

I am home and ketching up.

what makes you say that?

The fact Cakez claimed one..?

that doesn't mean that perv wld know unless he checked the thread and just hasn't posted. so how wld you know that he has checked the thread?

[pirate mollie]

So, I've skimmed the weekend posts, and we have a "probably guilty" result on PV.

Are we just waiting for him to come into the thread and claim?

I am.

[pirate mollie]

I'm not willing to lynch you, Dwlee, or MoI today.

Why is that?

You because I've been town reading you for a while.

Dwlee because I still think CatDog was genuine in their big frustrated post, and I don't think Dwlee is scum for his actions.

And MoI because, while I know he is fully capable of playing this townie as scum, I'm not interested in pursuing his lynch today. Probably not ever, if I'm being honest.

have you played with magna before?

[pirate mollie]

I'm not willing to lynch you, Dwlee, or MoI today.

Why is that?

You because I've been town reading you for a while.

Dwlee because I still think CatDog was genuine in their big frustrated post, and I don't think Dwlee is scum for his actions.

And MoI because, while I know he is fully capable of playing this townie as scum, I'm not interested in pursuing his lynch today. Probably not ever, if I'm being honest.

have you played with magna before?

what games?
A few times, yeah.

[pirate mollie]

whoops

messed up quote tags

I'm not willing to lynch you, Dwlee, or MoI today.

Why is that?

You because I've been town reading you for a while.

Dwlee because I still think CatDog was genuine in their big frustrated post, and I don't think Dwlee is scum for his actions.

And MoI because, while I know he is fully capable of playing this townie as scum, I'm not interested in pursuing his lynch today. Probably not ever, if I'm being honest.

have you played with magna before?

A few times, yeah.

what games?

[pirate mollie]

the last Magna posts are starting to making me doubt my townread on him

I'm not folllowing?

Dislike how he's looking for Peregrine buddies before he has even flipped, and then dislike how shallow he is about it "he didn't mention Maria much, has to be his buddy"

okay

so where was this critical thinking aspect of your play when he was pushing that hebi was not bussed (cos it looked like she was being bussed) and sheeped the fuck out of that shit while offering only a smattering of independent thought from yourself and now you are going like "WTF?"

explain plz. I do realize it is a 2 part question

[pirate mollie]

Besides, it's not like Peregrine doesn't know there's a result on him already

I do know. Which makes Cakez claim even more questionable.

explain

[pirate mollie]

So, PoE leaves me with PV, farside, Kuroi, Maria, MOHIS, Basic, and YAW

How are we in that PoE at all?

~fire

Why wouldn't you be?

Did you do something incredibly townie over the weekend that I missed?

Day 1 motherfucker. Did you read it.

spell it out, fire

[pirate mollie]

Thanks for the game Radja!

Thought later when I have more time ...

I look forward to hearing them <3

I really really enjoyed your presence in the dead thread. I had a feeling we were gonna butt heads cos of playstyle differences. I wish I wld have trusted my d1 read on you wld have stuck with it but shlda wlda clda. I walk away from this game respecting the hell out of your play even tho we cldn't work together and I didn't agree with some of the conclusions you drew. <3

[pirate mollie]

Ninja was counter to watcher.
Wisdom town MVP? From what I read. Not sure.

wis helped to clear yaw who wld have won the game if it wasn't for fire's shot.

fire shld be MVP IMO. I find it ironic that he doesn't think he shld be.

I am not sure why pple are scumreading max in postgame. like wtf. he didn't do anything scummy. he was scumread for shitty d1 WA that was applied on d2 of all things. it makes me super sad cos I thought max did great.

and I loved basic. love him loved him loved him. I wish there wld have been more time to work with him.

and once again I fell into the trap of

not understanding how pple are thinking = scummy

mebbe some day I will learn. *crosses fingers*

also smart did incredibly well riding that town cred (even tho I disagree with its premise) and coasting. it was a fantastic scum performance.

thanks for the game, ragja (YOU ARE MY FAVOURITE GAME MOD!!!). it was a fun 1 to spectate after I was deaded .

and with that I am taking a break.

[pirate mollie]

also bbt clearing so many players except the scum doc leaving yaw sputtering, "b-b-b-but, I can be cleared too!" was pretty great

I wub u bbt