Code Geass Mafia (Game Over?!)

[Leonshade]

We shouldn't be judging who is what alignment is based of off flavor because we don't have a scum flip yet.

We have 2 scumflips lol.

KeyRB had a fakeclaim ffs.

Wait, you're correct. I associated the fakeclaim with the 3P role, but that only happened because he joined the Special Zone. It also explains why CD didn't kill key.

I was loyal to scum

[Leonshade]

What special benefit do you give if youre loyal to someone if i might ask?

Me? Nothing. I pledged loyalty to key because he seemed to not know why to pledge loyalty to him either, so I figured that A) he's town B) there might be a secret benefit to pledging loyalty.

But I got nothing from my loyalty.

idk, someone being converted from scum to another alignment isn't likely that he'll probably reveal his old scumpartners?

Hmm, that's true. Unless the Special Zone could have won with either town or scum? Maybe key was trying to help his buddies anyway?

[Leonshade]

Painbringer's "gift" was not from Not Chara. It was from me.

Painbringer was Noble. I checked with the Mod, who explicitly confirmed that Painbringer was Noble, and flips are not guaranteed to be accurate (Remember CD?)

Anyway, I know that Painbringer was Noble because I was loyal to them. I can send gifts to the person I am loyal to.

Alisae, do you claim to have sent Painbringer any gift during Night 2?

Huh. There's so much under the hood in this game.

When did you pledge loyalty to Painbringer?

[Leonshade]

Alisae, do you claim to have sent Painbringer any gift during Night 2?

Nah. Chara didn't send any either.

Do you know why Chara was voteless? Do you know how he got his vote back? Was it part of his role PM?

[Leonshade]

VOTE: culted

key being 3P means that CD probably simply missed the chance to force-suicide him after all.

[Leonshade]

culted making moves!

Are you willing to claim your flavor culted?

[Leonshade]

I still want to believe that Alisae is town, but we'll see. At least we've narrowed the day's lynch down to three.

[Leonshade]

I think Vecna's also been towning it up today, so BTD is the prime suspect.

[Leonshade]

Yeah I believe the claim.

Then Alisae is the scum.

[Leonshade]

Above doesn't concern Alisae, who should fullclaim now.

[Leonshade]

VOTE: Alisae

Creature's pretty much got it covered, though I'm sure there was some good stuff in season 2, too.

[Leonshade]

I agree with Vecna's PoE, and I'm inclined to take malpa and

maybe

davesaz off the list too, so scum is somewhere in

Alisae
KlingonCelt
RandomMidget
Creature

[Leonshade]

Hmm. DiamondSentinel made sense for a vig, not as certain about Painbringer. They were acting weird, but I think that was explained by key's flip. Otherwise they were a pretty solid TR for me. Why did you vig PB?

[Leonshade]

Glad to have that confirmed.

I believe that Chara knew Alisae could kill, it must have been why he scumread mal upon his claim.

[Leonshade]

Kallen, destroys knightmares. The player dies if he's inside the Knightmare that night.

[Leonshade]

Glad to have that confirmed.

I believe that Chara knew Alisae could kill, it must have been why he scumread mal upon his claim.

THIS MAN UNDERSTANDS!

Doesn't mean you're not scum.

Though if you're scum, that means that scum has an NK and your vig. And that you consulted on your kills with a town player instead of just doing so independently.

At the same time, the above is WIFOM (scum could be planning for a fakeclaim etc.). I don't know that I have a reason to scumread you outside of you having a kill, so I'm half-tempted to leash your shot, especially since we can know when you get in your Knightmare (and thus could have mal shoot you if you did so when we asked you not to).

I'm conflicted. Maybe we let you live and lynch Klingon today?

[Leonshade]

Chara must've been convinced that Alisae was town to scumread mal based on his claim.

But Chara's reads weren't great this game so I'm not willing to sheep him, conftown or not.

I'll put the odds that both Alisae and mal are scum around zero, but I don't consider both being town impossible, not with the scum power we've seen thus far.

Only Alisae and I are confirmed living Knightmare users, but I believe that mal has a Knightmare as well. Even if Kallen was a fakeclaim, I don't think FA would have a Knightmare in a fakeclaim without actually having that character have a Knightmare. That's why I believe that mal not getting in his Knightmare, and hence not shooting Alisae, is NAI; he wouldn't have a reason to avoid doing so as scum after he's already fakeclaimed. mal is enough of a lurker that I believe him when he says he's too lazy/forgets to PM FA about getting in the knightmare.

[Leonshade]

If she doesn't get lynched, Klingon. If she does, not sure.

Did Chara give his Knightmare to anyone?

I'm also still bothered by the voteless/getting the vote back -thing. Maybe it was just related to someone pledging loyalty to Chara or something similar and I shouldn't worry too much about it.

[Leonshade]

Probably based on season 2, and with only a few select characters as scum. Charles, Marianne, V.V, one/two other. If there is a 3P, I would guess Mao.

[Leonshade]

Creature, you're V.V. aren't you?

[Leonshade]

It's either you or one of McMenno and Kain Tepes, provided that V.V. is in this game (and I assume he is).

[Leonshade]

Should I flavorclaim?

No, but I'd like your character's gender.

[Leonshade]

Are nobles supposed to have a PT?

Were you softing noble here? Or just asking. AKA are you a noble?

[Leonshade]

I was just going to sleep ._. I can't deal with the implications of Kain being Mao and PB faking his death (?) right now.

[Leonshade]

Kain getting himself modkilled to indict a dead player.

[Leonshade]

VOTE: McMenno

Klingon is my leading candidate for today's lynch.

[Leonshade]

This narrows the potential V.V. down to McMenno and Creature.

[Leonshade]

It's either you or one of McMenno and Kain Tepes, provided that V.V. is in this game (and I assume he is).

why

@leonshade?

VOTE: klingoncelt

Without saying too much, I've managed to narrow everyone's flavor down with all the information available, and you two are the only ones left by PoE. (I don't know everyone's flavor, but I know who CAN'T be V.V.).

Between the two of you, I'm TRing so I suspect if V.V. is in this game, it's Creature. My vote on you is unrelated to my reads.

[Leonshade]

Klingon should be the lynch for the day. If there just so happens to be a player with the ability to dispel Geass abilities, I would recommend directing such an ability towards Creature tonight. At this point I think the third scum is Alisae.

Flavor spec:
Klingon = Charles
Creature = V.V.
Alisae = Either anti-freedom Suzaku or a fakeclaim for Bismarck Waldstein or similar.

If Klingon isn't scum, then either Charles isn't even in this game, or one of culted/Creature/McMenno is Charles.

V.V. is either Creature or McMenno, or not in the game (BTD6_Maker for a crackpot third possibility, but I really doubt it).

If Alisae is town, either davesaz or randomidget is the third scum.

Four scum + 3P in a 20p game makes sense, so I'm fairly confident in this theory.

[Leonshade]

Its pretty hard to decide between davesaz and KlingonCelt.

The fact Klingon is taking off this rapidly, and the fact Ive had a scumread on Davesaz all game makes it feel to me like were lynching the wrong one of the nobles.

The reason I don't want davesaz before Klingon is hat color. Davesaz never chose his hat color and it defaulted to pink. Female noble with Mtarianne and Cornelia dead makes the Euphemia claim believable, if only because we're running out of female evil nobles.

What have you been scumreading davesaz for? I'm scumreading Klingon for the bussing and evasiveness.

[Leonshade]

I'll respond to your points after my lecture but I think you're overthinking things, Vecna. Ocvam's razor says Britannian overlords, unless the major players flip freedom.

[Leonshade]

Hmm, when did Painbringer stop scumreading key? If it was D2, then key probably used his N1 Geass on Painbringer.

[Leonshade]

They could have also used it N2, since Painbringer was suddenly weird about Key D3. So that does leave an opening for key to Geass someone else N1.

But RR was the scum kill, since Alisae was responsible for the DS death. Why would scum kill one of their own, just to have them flip town?

[Leonshade]

I'll respond to your points after my lecture but I think you're overthinking things, Vecna. Ocvam's razor says Britannian overlords, unless the major players flip freedom.

You might be right, but I happen to know that bismarck is highly likely to be freedom aligned.

Bismarck was just a name I stumbled onto while wiki-diving, if he's freedom-aligned then I dunno.

Huh, if you're talking about what I'm talking about, then I've got a new hole in my flavor spec. I was thinking something more orange.

[Leonshade]

Btw, Lelouch was groupscum.

And I'm not sure if we're dealing with one or two factions.

Hmm, what makes you say so?

Just realized that even if Creature is V.V., he wouldn't have a Geass. Don't dispel him after all. Also realized that V.V. might also have a Knightmare.

[Leonshade]

VOTE: KlingonCelt

L-2.

Klingon, you should answer Vecna's questions and probably claim.

[Leonshade]

But it says "Third Party" right after that, and "factions which are not at peace with you" means that it can win with another faction.

[Leonshade]

Even if he wins with scum, that wincon doesn't lead me to believe that he was scum.

[Leonshade]

I was wrong about at least a couple of things in my prior flavorspec, I need to go back to the drawing board.

Klingon probably still scum.

[Leonshade]

An SK would be scum, but they wouldn't be factional mafia. Pretty sure Key's wincon would say "Mafia" if he was one. Doesn't mean he didn't have other people in his faction, but even if so, it's not the "mafia" faction.

[Leonshade]

VOTE: Alisae

One more thing.

[Leonshade]

Yes Leon?

What's the name of your Knightmare? What's your nationality? Finally, do you have any non-vig abilities (you don't have to say what, just if you do).

[Leonshade]

Idunno why my knightmare name will tell you but okay
Lancelot.
My nation is Japan.
And I do have non vig abilities!

Can you explain why in post 2479 it says that joining the special zone will change your nation from "Honorary Britannian", a title exclusive to Suzaku, to "Japan"?

[Leonshade]

Hmm. Red herring, or something that could happen to you?

Eh, Klingon is still the one I want today.

VOTE: KlingonCelt

[Leonshade]

L-1* Remember my doublevote.

[Leonshade]

Alisae not knowing how he got the knightmare could mean that a redirection happened. Which leads to the questions, how and why?

Semi-daily reminder to stop speccing flavor.

I refuse.

The scumpool bouncing on Klingon is curious, but pre-flip associations don't lead to good things. Let's flip Klingon and move on from there.

[Leonshade]

Hmm, then who got redirected? BTD?

Don't you also have Reasonably_Rational's Knightmare?

[Leonshade]

What makes this game all the more hard to care about is that we really haven't even seen a scumflip yet.

Is klingon at L1?

Three days and we haven't mislynched yet, don't lose hope.

I bet theres going to be some bastard element that happens soon where people get transfered to a different alignment/wincon

Zero reason to believe this, especially since we've already seen how alignments can change.

[Leonshade]

The problem is, if theres still 4 scum alive today might be our last mislynch

Then there were those four scum, and a Universal PGO scum and Lelouch in this game. Really doubt it unless scum cam recruit.

[Leonshade]

No idea what you're planning Alisae, but go for it.

If key had Geassed "scum flips freedom", why did he flip his wincon?

[Leonshade]

^He makes a good point.

[Leonshade]

I rescind my previous statement.

[Leonshade]

Who am I? Well, just a player who got a chance to play this amazing game.

Welcome! You are scum. Claim now.

[Leonshade]

As for my abilities, I can use my ship to escape death. I also have an unknown passive.

Unknown to you? So you know you have a passive, but don't know what it is?

[Leonshade]

If we were to massclaim, is there something we need to remember?

I don't think we need a massclaim today, though I might be down for a mass flavorclaim at this point.

The counterpoint is what Vecna brought up about Frozen Angel running a game where scum used names to kill. Don't think that's the case here, but I want everyone to chip in if we want to play around the possibility.

[Leonshade]

That's the gist of it. My escape ability only works once, by the way.

Does it work on lynches, or only kills?

[Leonshade]

Hmm. One-shot lynch-and-bulletproof is really similar to what CD had.

@Alisae:

What do you say we lynch Yume and you shoot him?

[Leonshade]

I wonder if Yume really doesn't know the passive, and it activates after the bulletproof triggers?

[Leonshade]

If Yume is scum, I assume we're dealing with a smaller scumteam that has ridiculous survivability.

[Leonshade]

VOTE: Yume

[Leonshade]

@Mod: Does Suzaku's Ambitious passive mean that his actions cannot be roleblocked? (It says his actions can't be stopped).

[Leonshade]

@Mod: Does Suzaku's Ambitious passive mean that his actions cannot be roleblocked? (It says his actions can't be stopped).

yes.

What about protection, such as from doctors? Or put another way, is the passive essentially a "strongman" modifier?

[Leonshade]

I understand.

Unless there's another unclaimed vig, I think we can discount Alisae's kill failing because of the "fails if another player tries to kill them" clause. I will also put the probability of Alisae forgetting to submit the kill at zero, he's too active for that.

@Yume:

Do you know why you survived Alisae's kill?

[Leonshade]

Roleblocker or something is possible.

...the mod just explained that Alisae was immune to roleblocks.

[Leonshade]

YAY TOWN

A bit of a tainted victory but I'll take it.

Dayvigging me was evil, especially since the only reason I hadn't claimed my PR yet was because I figured all the info I had gathered would be revealed with my flip.

Vecna, you did good as the town leader during the last couple of days, though I got worried when you started letting Yume off the hook.

[Leonshade]

To nominate this game and any players, please see the Scummies Nomination Thread 2017

I want to nominate leonshade for paragorn, his game play was -

"Amazing"

Aww <3

I was putting a lot of effort into this game because I was so into the flavor and the interesting mechanics.

[Leonshade]

Anyways well played Leon, still a shame you didn't accept my hat at the start of the game, it wouldve been epic to have been in a PT with you.

By the time you were obvtown you would've been a great Lover, but Ari/kraska was obvtown from the start and I wanted someone to claim my investigative to, so if I got heat for throwing my vote around so much there would be someone to back me up that I had a good reason for it. I don't know if the lover PTs will be released, but I claimed to Ari from the get-go and was bouncing ideas off of him until his death.