Open 856: Deputy cultists (Game over)
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In post 44, furtiveglance wrote:You got put at E-2 on page 1.
I asked the same question but about korina - or had you counted to 11 by then?In post 45, Bellaphant wrote:? Didn't/ don't they have the same votes on them as korina does?
I don't understand anything so far.-
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I don't get any of this? Korina is posting from their pov of someone who seems to love cults, but both enchant (who basically says they have no experience) and nathaan are both scum reading them for it..rh9 also feels like a weird person to pick out, over other low content posterrs?In post 101, Nathann wrote:I think Korina is a non-Leader Cultist. Their entrance into this game feels designed to get people angry and to vote them over it. It feels inflammatory for the sake of it. And since I feel like Korina is a better Scum player than that and wouldn't make such a stupid error, AND that they would realize it's in Cult's favour to kill non-Leader Cultists since then they can convert more.
And I'm vaguely reading Bellaphant as not aligned with Korina, so there's that.
RH9 is still my best bet for Cult Leader. His posts feel like he's genuinely trying to uphold a thread presence, but he's not actually saying anything helpful or Townie.
I can't be the only one who thinks this post is really temperature sweepy?In post 107, Nathann wrote:Does anyone (other than Korina) have thoughts on whether furtiveglance's 64 is Townie or Scummy? It feels like a post Ishouldhave an opinion on, but I can't quite make it out.
He's misreading the tone of furtive so much, but then again walking back the read. None of it feels like content they are massively behind.In post 114, Nathann wrote:If it's genuine, then I agree with Jacket that he's probably Town.
If it's sarcastic, then I'm not sure if it's AI. I want to say it's Scummy for ignoring my questioning and cutting the conversation short, but I've been wrong on reads like that too many times.
Re my other post , maybe I just can't read enchant? I feel worse about nathaan shading korina and cat in a way that feels based on enchant, if that makes sense.-
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I think they were cross about a policy elim/meme, not the votes themselves? Idek, there's clearly context here that they think people know but I don't.
Fair. Can you expand on it a bit? Honestly I've not noticed then produce anything and have lumped them with Titus/bbt
It's not scummy on its own, but the third time in four posts feels very hedgey.-
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UNVOTE:
In not sure I agree with what you are saying about korina but it seems a genuine thought process from you, if that makes sense? I'd also like korina to explain more about it, independent of this convo.
Yeah, I probably should have done that already
I've read quite a few of furtives newbie games but never played with them. I seem to remember them getting read for things I would consider 'tone' a lot.-
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@jacket, nathaan was only linking the three because I'd said they were linked in my mind. He's right, though, when I read back.
You are wrong about cat as well I think. Cat made the most sense the most quickly, I said it and bbt. Yeah,, cat doesn't have a huge amount of other content but it was the best in terms of actually explaining.
P-edit bbt making sense.-
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Bbt, I tried this tack of discussion with enchant and didn't get massively far either. I found them vaguely scummy for it this morning but think I was possibly just getting frustrated.
P-edit I'm not voting for cat, furtives, I said she seemed town! Nathaan is...fine and I can see their scum read on rh9. I can't work out what to think about korina but think naarhan might be right in that too, which is why this bbt thing is so odd to me.
Also, this stood out - where did you get the idea that Enchant was widely town read?-
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@jacket, I think you and bbt is probably t v t, I thought enchant was getting townier before the claim, nathaan is probably town, and then I'm not sure.
In terms of content, Titus is lacking severely, but I kind of vibe with what Nathann was saying about rh9. I feel similarly about beat as well - they are posting but I forget them-
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Like, I don't understand why the game feels so unengaged - we had a lot of set up spec, then korina had a tantrum, you came in and we had some actual read generating content, (same with Nathann), then a few people have chuxked out reads they don't really want to talk about? This should be easier than it is - I feel like a lot of this should be Poe to find cult leader? Or are people being cautious to avoid hitting the deputies?
Set up wise I don't know what's ''optimal', I definitely rely on other people for that but there's been a fair amount of disagreement and then Titus, who is normally good at this kind of thing, isnt really here.
I'd rather we just played.-
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Yeah, that's what I thought. But what's optimal?
Not in terms of claims, like I clearly am not that girl, but in terms of scum hunting - coz surely the non leader cultists almost want to be elimed, so that recruit can happen?
So we are looking for someone scummy but not too scum y? Even though in a normal game it's maybe worth elim-ing like...korina, as they could well be 'scum'? Or not? In trying to work out how associatives work too.
@enchant, can you explain more about cultists making the leader look good?
@beat, cool, I've asked you to explain your reads twice already. I work a lot better 1 on 1, so please chat things through with me.-
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Bbt, there was just something in the theory talk between them that really didn't seem to flow - it seemed like one of them would say something and the other would just be like... sure! Compared to some heat cat got, or how confused enchant made me at the start of the game with mech talk, it just felt informed? In my newbie with cat recently there was a chat between her and goldfish that I hated - goldfish ended up replacing out and I ended up scum reading cat - but the scum was the goldfish slot.
Part of it might be the softs, but I'm not sure it's all of it.
Did you want me to talk more about cat? I basically scum read them early gamw for a lot of things I used to/still do get scum read for, which is basically being non offensive, and I was wrong. They, Ans Titus, were more active than this though. I think if we are going to elim in the quiet slots then Titus is it for me.-
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I also find your push on nathaan and me weird. Like, you've decided that cult 'play like x' but I think nathaan is townie, then you've shoved me in the same slots as korina and Titus who've posted a lot less content than me. Like, there's a solid 5ish players that have between 30-41 posts, and then only you above that.
I think you might be jumping at shadows? I don't think scum leader bbt has this many casual bad takes.-
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@beat, that just seems like a lot of associations before a flip. Or that you've just got through three Isos and added a quote whenever we mention each others name -;there's no analysis of what's happening. Cats has just said they town read me and Nathann has told me the pro town thing to do is vote him! Also, even though I'm confused as to why Nathann being town is controversial, would scum (especially cl!Bella) just ride on others' scum read of him? If I'm cult and he's town, great - he is dead and might venge another town! If he's cult, cult get another recruit!
I'll take another look at cat.
P-edit maybe not.-
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...cat made a few vaguely town theory posts in a row and then voted one if her three townread?
Also, I re read korina and I'm now pretty sure there is nothing ia in their play.
P-edit at beat ??? From cat maybe, but not me - I've been saying since page one that I'm shit at mech. I think uts why I've given town points to cat and korina who were explaining in ways I could vibe with, but maybe wrongly-
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I'm a bit frustrated? People aren't doing the things I expect - I didn't expect town!cat to vote me, I didn't expect korina to self vote again, they also seemed to accuse enchant of slipping late yesterday, which ??, we just curb stomped a game with Titus using mech, beat seems to scum read me for three reasons, - me playing to my meta (I know, meta everything), my associations with cat (who was town) and my mech posts, which didn't happen?
Out of the scum claims, by play I do believe jackets less: I think rh9 now is just obviously town and I did get a lot out of my interaction with Nathann. People have said that 'would cult claim first ' but if it gives them a basically free ride, why wouldn't they? Someone said (sorry, still sick) that flipping in the claims might actually be positive utility?-
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I kinda felt these were unpopular takes yesterday though? Like, I had two town reads (and you) and then you plus others seemed confident that there was scum in literally my two town resds. I'm a bit paranoid now that you are mostly agreeing with me!
My gut says scum read beat, but I don't know if cult leader would have such obviously wrong bad takes? Cult buddy maybe, but that's not really helpful. Like I've been cult leader for them since page 8, with two different teams!
@furtive, where's your head at? What do you think about beat/me/rh9?-
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Has anyone been reading the vca game thread in mafia discuion? I tend to be about 50/50 at it, but some people are brilliant. There's what, 1-2 'scum' on cats wagon? The only one that stands out as weird is the korina vote.
I'd really like furtive to respond to me and for them, enchant, Titus and korina to discus reads-
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Ok, so we elim in the 'venge':
1/3 chance of a buddy/cl
2/3 chance of a venge
Venge has three options - shoots in venge claims ( either other venge, cl or buddy), shoots randomly (4/7 chance of cl).
We elim 'randomly' it's like 1/5, but also a 1/5 chance of hitting the deptuy?
That maths probably isn't right.-
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This is mostly a page of me and rh9 talking .shall we start some #scum theatre or something to liven things up? I'll go first - I think you agree with a lot of people and I'm told that's typical cult leader behaviour!!!
P-edit, I just think it's weird they stuck on a read on page 8, have basically not engaged in one on one with me at all and just...eh? I might be a bit omgus but that doesn't change the 'facts'.-
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Bbt wants to elim people..bbt changed his mind about Nathann.. bbt is a bit cot on his read on you.
....none of these things are actually scummy, right? Like, maybe the first one, but we do actually need to elim cl to win! Even hitting a deputy would give info, which is what we don't have with the game being nightless.-
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