Open 856: Deputy cultists (Game over)

[furtiveglance]

I probably will make outrageous claim, but i won't hammer before vengefuls claim.

There's literally no reason for them to NOT. Otherwise i challenge you to internet boxing fight right now.

Enchant, my former scumbuddy. When should Vengefuls massclaim? do you mean 3 IRL days or game days, and before which deadline? I'm ready to go, just give me the sign.

[Enchant]

I meant real days.

Just in a case, PRs can claim and receive all benefits of it at any moment, but if/when we elim Cult Prime, afterwards claim point is proven moot, as converted PR can just trade claims with Cult Leader, providing them with cover. So instead of confirmation of "Not Cult Leader" and shredding POE, you receive whole nothing.

[Nathann]

You got put at E-2 on page 1.

Y-3*.

Is this supposed to be a serious read?

[furtiveglance]

You got put at E-2 on page 1.

Y-3*.

Is this supposed to be a serious read?

Which answer will you townread me for?

[Nathann]

Which answer will you townread me for?

It depends on how you try to rationalize that read, which was going to be my next question.

[furtiveglance]

Ok. The short answer is yes it was a serious read, which makes more sense if you imagine it was a 9 player game (which I did). The other stuff (including random voting Korina) was just put in there to entertain the people, which is always a secondary objective for me.

[Nathann]

The short answer is yes it was a serious read, which makes more sense if you imagine it was a 9 player game (which I did).

Okay. Walk me through your thoughts on why three people voting Jacket on page 1 makes him likely not Cult Leader. (I know the answer might seem obvious, but bear with me.)

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Vote count 1.3

Korina (3)

: furtiveglance, Titus, BlueBloodedToffee

Jacket (2)

: RH9, Beat

Cat. Jpeg (1)

: Bellaphant

Enchant (1)

: Cat.Jpeg

Nathann (1)

: Jacket

RH9 (1)

: Nathann

Not voting (2)

: Korina, Enchant

With 11 alive it takes 6 to eliminate

Mod notes:

All players have now confirmed

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-27 05:04:00)

[Bellaphant]

You got put at E-2 on page 1.

? Didn't/ don't they have the same votes on them as korina does?

I don't understand anything so far.

I asked the same question but about korina - or had you counted to 11 by then?

[furtiveglance]

The short answer is yes it was a serious read, which makes more sense if you imagine it was a 9 player game (which I did).

Okay. Walk me through your thoughts on why three people voting Jacket on page 1 makes him likely not Cult Leader. (I know the answer might seem obvious, but bear with me.)

I don't think Cultists would vote their Leader in RVS. So either 3 town happened to land on CL on page 1, or they aren't Cult Leader. It seems unlikely that the first scenario happened, but I suppose it is possible.

Now - I have a question for you.

What is more suspicious:
a) Beat putting Jacket on E-3 in 23
b) BBT putting Korina on E-3 in 43
c) None of the above, you're a cultist trying to distract me from......what were we talking about again?

[furtiveglance]

You got put at E-2 on page 1.

? Didn't/ don't they have the same votes on them as korina does?

I don't understand anything so far.

I asked the same question but about korina - or had you counted to 11 by then?

I'm not going back and checking at which point I had counted to 11. Thanks anyway.

[RH9]

Actually let's do it funny way.

Play game like normal, and on 3 days before deadline force Vengefuls to claim. Therefore we will know who could tried push them and vice versa.

Sounds like a great idea to me.

[RH9]

By the way,
UNVOTE: Jacket
His posts seem to come from a Town mindset.

[Nathann]

I don't think Cultists would vote their Leader in RVS. So either 3 town happened to land on CL on page 1, or they aren't Cult Leader. It seems unlikely that the first scenario happened, but I suppose it is possible.

I don't think you're looking at this the right way, exactly - if it's three Townies, they just voted a person without knowing if they're Cult Leader or not. Do you think it's unlikely the three people that voted are all Town? (And this is ignoring the fact distancing would be extremely important in this setup, but y'know.)

Now - I have a question for you.

What is more suspicious:
a) Beat putting Jacket on E-3 in 23
b) BBT putting Korina on E-3 in 43
c) None of the above, you're a cultist trying to distract me from......what were we talking about again?

Both seem equally null to me. If i

had

to pick a more suspicious post of the two, I'd go with BBT's, since they didn't offer any other thoughts, and Beat's comment along the vote is somewhat Townie.

Anything you're seeing in the Y-3 posts?

[furtiveglance]

I don't think Cultists would vote their Leader in RVS. So either 3 town happened to land on CL on page 1, or they aren't Cult Leader. It seems unlikely that the first scenario happened, but I suppose it is possible.

I don't think you're looking at this the right way, exactly - if it's three Townies, they just voted a person without knowing if they're Cult Leader or not. Do you think it's unlikely the three people that voted are all Town? (And this is ignoring the fact distancing would be extremely important in this setup, but y'know.)

Now - I have a question for you.

What is more suspicious:
a) Beat putting Jacket on E-3 in 23
b) BBT putting Korina on E-3 in 43
c) None of the above, you're a cultist trying to distract me from......what were we talking about again?

Both seem equally null to me. If i

had

to pick a more suspicious post of the two, I'd go with BBT's, since they didn't offer any other thoughts, and Beat's comment along the vote is somewhat Townie.

Anything you're seeing in the Y-3 posts?

I can tell you're very intelligent already - by the way you found a small difference to be alignment indicative - so I'm inclined to agree with your conclusion, and townread you forever.

[Beat]

Why wouldnt the cultists vote the leader in RVS? Isnt the prime cultists' job in this setup to build false associatives?

[furtiveglance]

Maybe a big brain cultist like you. I'm new to this cult thing.

[Beat]

I mean the difference from cult and mafia isnt particularly relevant to that point

[RH9]

Why wouldnt the cultists vote the leader in RVS? Isnt the prime cultists' job in this setup to build false associatives?

Good point.
It would be really helpful for Cult considering that a vote on the CL is an instant Town win.

[Korina]

cool three scum on my wagon; I didn’t get an email saying the day started

VOTE: furtive

[Korina]

i'm not reading anything before this post btw unless it was super important. i read my role pm, and kinda clocked out of the game already coming into it and seeing three votes on me for what i can only assume is the same old joke of "haha look korina's in a cult game, what if they rolled cult this time!" when mind you, the only fucking time i rolled cult in a cult game, i instantly got wagoned and died.

so if you're voting me for that, fuck off, it's a shitty rvs reason, and a shitty fucking read to try to take.

i want all three who voted me dead in that particular order unless someone claims a tpr, in which case, i still want you dead, just not right now.

[Korina]

i lied actually

[Korina]

That wouldnt be playing to a town win con Enchant

VOTE: Jacket

That said I think both vengeful townies should claim

this is a shitty take, and i don't know if town ever comes up with this take because it's so bad.

tprs retain abilities on convert.

they never claim unless e-1, in which case we decide who they should shoot and then kill them

[Korina]

if they're now cult vengeful, and they don't shoot who we said, that person is cult.

[Korina]

VOTE: Korina

GG.

horrible vote, please stop with your shitty fucking take that actually ruins games if i roll cult, because policy eliming *anyone* is a horrible fucking idea, and ruins the fun for the game for all involved.
it also ruins the game if i roll town, because the one reason why i'm playing this game, (to get cult/culted), is now gone because i'm dead.

horrible vote.

VOTE: Korina

horrible vote too. though, titus did say she was gonna sheep, so less horrible, but still horrible.

VOTE: Korina

and this is the worst vote of all, and i want this dead regardless of claim tbh.