Spoiler: why I TRed you and how I started to SR you
I'll combine my thoughts on you and on alisae because that's really important in this stage of the game. I started my read strong townreading alisae, I felt e was participative and enabling positive conversations in the thread. I was also townreading you to some extent, but that was like 60% sheeping klick if I have to be honest. that started to change when in the catchup I saw alisae putting you in E-1, for a reasoning by myko that I don't think alisae, as town, would agree with. that made me go from locktowning er to putting er similarly to you. these are my thoughts after catchup:
then I started to investigate alisae. are my ideas about it potatoes? yes they are potatoes. but I was ignorant to the setup I'm a VT.In post 507, Gimli wrote: I just played with aureal in a newbie and this just feels like it. I expect her to close down on people scumreading her, especially if it's for reasons she dislikes, and I view her reactions to myko as making a lot of sense for her and not scum posturing.
I was quite strong townreading ali and I still am, but putting aureal on E-1 and then going over mech the way e did was alarming to me. I wanna interact with the posts of er hardclaim because it might help me figure out what's going on, which I'll do in a bit.
In post 520, Gimli wrote: so I'm reading into alisae's claim with more attention now:
alisae is an informed JOAT. if there is another JOAT, then it's also a JOAT with messenger and fruit vending shots. @ali if I understand this correctly, if there's another JOAT in the game then it has your EXACT role, right?In post 225, Alisae wrote: I’ll claim in full just to make things easier
Informed JOAT w/ w messenger shots and 2 fruit vendor shots.
I’m informed that if someone can perform a misc action, they have my role. So not only is this the JOAT shots but ALSO they are informed.
It’s the kind of role one looks at in this context and can easily go “yep, both wolves have this role” and I think writing said conclusion off entirely because my pm states that just because many exist with my role but it’s not necessary the same alignment is naive. Just considering the pov of a designer here and I can see someone wanting to design a game of this nature and call it complex.
alisae goes on to modguess that this means there's a pool of informed JOATs and in this pool there's scum, right? the first idea is already a guess, because you might as well be the only crap JOAT in the game.
from town!alisae perspective, I think it might make sense to out all this information as you hunt for other JOATs. being a 9er, it could not be horrible. what I really don't get is how you go from your role card to guessing there could be 4-5 JOATs. no one else claimed JOAT as of yet, so it might as well be the case that the only JOAT is alisae.
idrk what to make of it, I don't agree with ali's takes but I might not be understanding them.
at this point I'm writing you off as a townie basically because there are weird pushes against you on top of you acting a way that felt like your town game, on top of klick strong TRing you.In post 682, Gimli wrote: myko has focused artificially on aureal as well, I think. like that scumread that scum never drops cause it's a safe place to go push so myko never felt like reevaluating there. this post from d1 I didn't like (didn't say it at the time cause I was trying to kill aristeia):
I think this particular scumread is concerning when there are a few people in this game strong townreading aureal and some of us might have meta with her, so I don't feel like mykonian was acting in good faith around this scumread.In post 576, mykonian wrote:Oh my. Do I have a wagon for you.In post 535, Aristeia wrote: hardomgusing his primary pusher is literally the easiest move for a scum under pressure to do.
Can I interest you in Aureal?
then there's the andante flip and we wave kill and the claims.
I start to think of your slot again here:
I'm offering my head and aristeia is arguing we should flip myko. we do end up flipping myko, but at that point I'm leaning more towards ali.In post 849, Gimli wrote: I don't think myko is lying about the lazy psychologist part
so the POE is now me or aureal actually and aureal is townier
then I ask us to massclaim:
In post 908, Gimli wrote: so we have
gimli - vt
aureal - vt
klick - vt
alisae - informed fruit
enchant - mason
ari - mason
myko - JOAT
that's it we have successfully massclaimed
I think all vts are vts
I think scum is in (alisae, myko)
In post 909, Gimli wrote:klick, what do you think of alisae putting aureal on E-1 here?In post 168, Alisae wrote:VOTE: aurealIn post 167, mykonian wrote: It's completely different from here where she goes into a vote on me without talking about me at all till the vote, then coming up with logical reasons from the posts where I accuse her without actually calling out why I'm stupid to even think those reasons could apply to her here. She's not calling out the evidence, but calls out that I don't talk about andante when asked and instead talk about her.
In post 910, Gimli wrote: the vote and what e is quoting. I think it's an extremely unconvincing case by myko, and he seems to believe it, but I don't believe alisae believes in it
In post 911, Gimli wrote:both wolves have this roleIn post 225, Alisae wrote: I’ll claim in full just to make things easier
Informed JOAT w/ w messenger shots and 2 fruit vendor shots.
I’m informed that if someone can perform a misc action, they have my role. So not only is this the JOAT shots but ALSO they are informed.
It’s the kind of role one looks at in this context and can easily go “yep, both wolves have this role” and I think writing said conclusion off entirely because my pm states that just because many exist with my role but it’s not necessary the same alignment is naive. Just considering the pov of a designer here and I can see someone wanting to design a game of this nature and call it complex.
then we flip myko, enchant dies, come this gameday. what's my POE now? I'm locktowning klick, so it's either you or ali.
then I started to check your interactions. it wasn't premeditated or anything, I said what I was doing in the thread.
I started by pushing the narrative with alisae/andante partners. it made a lot of sense.
then I checked your interactions and they also made a lot of sense.
In post 926, Gimli wrote: well my poe is alisae and aureal and I don't think aureal can fool klick so it's alisae
I wish she didn't dump a vote on me and left with a 'i'll take a nap' but I think her vote on andante looks fairly non partner-y?
I might have to re-read but really it's probably just alisae.
@ari: what was datisi's read on alisae before he subbed out? did enchant leave anything reads wise in the pt?
In post 948, Gimli wrote:this is so annoying that if you're town you're throwing the game over arrogance. you're not attempting to sort me, you're not even reading back the game. I'm ISOing you and aureal and andante to see what jumps to surface, then I read my notifications and it's this crap. over an associative that's wrong you're tunneling me. how do you expect me to think you're town and catch aureal instead of just tunneling back?In post 945, Alisae wrote: there won't be an f3...
it took me a while and I started to think you were scum, but you did start to obvtown in the last page or so, and I'm glad you did that cause I now I feel the only way we lose is by letting alisae endgame.In post 949, Gimli wrote: andante was strong tr'ing aureal for most of the game
at some point they were both E-2 and she(andante) was really annoyed with it
then she started to walk back from that aureal townread
IDK what it means.
alisae spoke A LOT with andante. like, more with andante than with anyone else but datisi. and it wasn't for a scumread, it was for 'parsing out' andante, but all the questions were really softballs and could be construed to make it seem like they're unaligned and to help andante find her foot itg.
I wish aureal became obvtown at some point so I could be sure it's alisae but I guess that's not happening