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Post Post #2500 (ISO) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:05 am

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I did wonder if pinkball was going to argue that there was never a redirector, because the only thing that made it seem like it existed was me getting the bunny mask.

So I was proving to flea that I did actually get it.
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Post Post #2501 (ISO) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:09 am

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I feel like I have been very obviously town all game.

But you just don't like how I used my night actions, but I really don't know how to change your mind about that. I have already explained how I chose my actions each night, whether it was the best choice or not, this is how I made my decisions
In post 2420, Wavelength wrote: I feel like all of my night actions make more sense if you look at them through the lens of "how can I use this to catch a bad guy."

Instead of thinking of how I could use them to clear either myself or another townie. Because that is how I was using them. And maybe that was bad, but it was how I used it.

I thought that my first cross examination was going to be a guilty on Ircher.
If thought my first court record was going to catch Pinkball lying about his flavor.
I thought my second cross examination could catch pinkball in a lie about his night actions.

Then I thought my last flavor cop and my bunny mask were useless at that point.

I actually think that if I were scum, I would have realized that the bunny mask could be used to try to clear me the first night after we no elimed, and I would have used it then.
Being suboptimal with my night actions does not make me scum, maybe it makes me stupid, but each night, given the information that I had AT THE TIME, I felt like I was making the right decisions
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Post Post #2502 (ISO) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:14 am

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They don't make you town either.
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Post Post #2503 (ISO) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:15 am

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I think that the things that should make it most obvious that I am town are:

-Me pressuring Marashu at the end of day 1, after the hammer happened. Instead of just quietly letting the night phase take over, I instead spent that time pointing out how scummy Marashu was. This carried over into me voting Marashu at the start of day 2 for that before Ali/DRagons outed that they targetted him.

-Me trying SO DAMN HARD to save LLD the day that she was eliminated.

-The night that scum tried to kill Ali, it does not make sense for me to do that. Ali had been town reading me ALL GAME, and if anything, I was ready to come into the next day to argue that she was scum for the way she handled the day before. (and she confirmed she had no more powers, so it was not a PR hunt)

-I also just... don't claim that I am an invest with a pseudo innocent on Ircher the day that I did if I am scum and can claim literally anything that I want.
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Post Post #2504 (ISO) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:17 am

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You also suggested to kill pink instantly which should had worked better imo.
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Post Post #2505 (ISO) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:18 am

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In post 880, Wavelength wrote: I am Apollo Justice from the Ace Attorney games.

First ability functionally made me novice (I had to use this ability night 1 psyching myself up for court lol)

2 shot invest to see if someone has killed or tried to kill so far this game.
2 shot flavor cop.

I used my kill invest on Ircher last night. I kind of figured that with his miller claim specifically saying it worked for trackers, then if he was he was setting himself up to be doing the night kill night 1, but my result was that he has not tried to kill. So part of why I am not sure what to do with him anymore.
Like, why in the world would this be my claim post if I am scum?
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Post Post #2506 (ISO) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:18 am

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But why Flea didn't just kill Pink?
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Post Post #2507 (ISO) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:19 am

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and can just make up anything?

And presumably, it I were scum, the "if someone has killed" invest would be made up entirely since that does not help scum?
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Post Post #2508 (ISO) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:21 am

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In post 2506, Enchant wrote: But why Flea didn't just kill Pink?
I don't know really.

But presumably what ever reason there is for her, there is for me too? Like, why didn't I just kill pink?

If you want me to look into why flea would make that decision, I can look back at how things were that night
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Post Post #2509 (ISO) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:23 am

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In post 2508, Wavelength wrote: But presumably what ever reason there is for her, there is for me too? Like, why didn't I just kill pink?
That is to say, that I don't know that this question helps you sort between the two of us, if the answer is the same either way
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Post Post #2510 (ISO) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:29 am

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Thinking through the no kill night.

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Pinkball was threatening to eat me. If he ate me, and flea shot pink ball, then I become confirmed town, because a kill happened the same night that I was eaten. (PB eat happens before mafia kills). So maybe fae was trying to avoid that?
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Post Post #2511 (ISO) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:30 am

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But then fae should have shot you, if that was their worry...
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Post Post #2512 (ISO) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:31 am

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I don't actually know why any scum would no kill that night?
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Post Post #2513 (ISO) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:33 am

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Because doubling up on the same target is THE SAME as doing a no kill while pinkball eats someone. So it is either,

get eaten -- and it does not matter if you submit a kill
shoot the same person as pink ball -- and it does not matter if you submit a kill
or shoot the person that pinkball is not eating, and win on the spot.
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Post Post #2514 (ISO) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:40 am

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In post 2503, Wavelength wrote: I think that the things that should make it most obvious that I am town are:

-Me pressuring Marashu at the end of day 1, after the hammer happened. Instead of just quietly letting the night phase take over, I instead spent that time pointing out how scummy Marashu was. This carried over into me voting Marashu at the start of day 2 for that before Ali/DRagons outed that they targetted him.

-Me trying SO DAMN HARD to save LLD the day that she was eliminated.

-The night that scum tried to kill Ali, it does not make sense for me to do that. Ali had been town reading me ALL GAME, and if anything, I was ready to come into the next day to argue that she was scum for the way she handled the day before. (and she confirmed she had no more powers, so it was not a PR hunt)

-I also just... don't claim that I am an invest with a pseudo innocent on Ircher the day that I did if I am scum and can claim literally anything that I want.
Oh, I also just don't think that I ever claim getting the bunny mask if I stole it from Flea.
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Post Post #2515 (ISO) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:39 am

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Well that makes life easier.

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cba reading because frankly I reckon it's all a load of crap.
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Post Post #2516 (ISO) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:42 am

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btw if I'm scum and I've been eaten, how do i shoot pinkball, exactly? Considering I'm removed from the game.
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Post Post #2517 (ISO) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:44 am

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Pink lied about this fact.

Pink was not bulletproof, nor he roleblocked anyone he eat.
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Post Post #2518 (ISO) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:45 am

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Fairly we didn't knew about this fact.
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Post Post #2519 (ISO) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:19 am

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Pinkball lied about a lot. And I saw straight through a lot of it.

Players who were eaten were removed from the game. It's a kidnapping.
Kidnapped players were removed from the living players list, and weren't allowed to interact with the game except in pinky's pt. That includes day and and night actions, masonrys, neighbourhoods, any PT at all that I'd have access to. I know mafia could not shoot from inside pinkball.

Admittedly the role PM doesn't tell pinky that. I've trimmed it down as much as possible.
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Post Post #2520 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:15 am

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Post Post #2521 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:04 am

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Flea can you fullclaim again
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Post Post #2522 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:16 am

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Sure.

I am the Happy Mask Salesman. Basically a 3 shot inventor. I give someone a mask while I have them.

Goron Mask, Given to Alisae N1. Turned em into a Goron, e did a ground pound and became asetic. (All actions targeting em would fail.)

Bunny Hood, Given to Here there be Dragons N2 but ended up in Wavelengths hands. Become a bunny for the night, no other actions can be taken while in bunny form. You can visit someone and let them know they have a bunny visitor.

Zora's Mask, Given to Wavelength N3 because apparently I had a failing of logic. Become FEESH and hide underwater, seeing who decides to visit you that night.
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Post Post #2523 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:17 am

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Goron - 1 night Ascetic
Bunny - Fruit vender
Zora - Self Watch.

I don't recall Wave ever using the Zora one, weirdly...
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Post Post #2524 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:23 am

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quickie search also says the bunny hood hasn't been used.

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