TM 2023 | Super Mario Bros Mafia | Bowser's Castle (Mafia Chat)

[SirCakez]

@Mod

Does my Strongman effect go through Tanooki or DK?

Strongman kills will go through Ascetic-type effects

[HighPrincessErinys]

So in advance, definitely want to 'clear' Jingle tonight by saying this one tracked him, because right now even though this one's read favor has dropped in his list, it's still pretty thoroughly in his pocket rn it would say.

[Cerberus v666]

So. How do you want my associatives to look when I put my full set of reads and analysis out there? I'll obviously work to not be lim'd today, but let's try to make sure that whatever I'm saying sets you up well.

[HighPrincessErinys]

It would be nice to not be implicated if you die, yes. Otherwise do just try and keep yourself alive.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Also...might be worth clarifying if you were to target the target of a bodyguard while using the strongman, would both the bodyguard and the the target die?

Reiterating this question for the mod because a 2-for-1 would be HUGE.

[SirCakez]

Also...might be worth clarifying if you were to target the target of a bodyguard while using the strongman, would both the bodyguard and the the target die?

Reiterating this question for the mod because a 2-for-1 would be HUGE.

The original player dies, but the bodyguard lives

[HighPrincessErinys]

A shame.

[HighPrincessErinys]

part of me wants to kill fate tonight just on principle

[Cerberus v666]

Also...might be worth clarifying if you were to target the target of a bodyguard while using the strongman, would both the bodyguard and the the target die?

Reiterating this question for the mod because a 2-for-1 would be HUGE.

The original player dies, but the bodyguard lives

That...doesn't make sense based on the role PM you sent me for Adorable.

It explicitly says "if hte player you are protecting is attacked, you die"

Not "You die instead"

[Cerberus v666]

part of me wants to kill fate tonight just on principle

Alas, killing RR is probably required if/once I flip.

Fate/RR isn't going to become a thing. Ideally they'll lim their way through all the VT claims, which will let you finish out the game. RR>Fate>kill to win is probably ideal? Unsure, but RR tonight seems necessary unless you have a plan for him.

Also to be clear for the post-game: I really did forget how much work all this shit takes, and got burned out 3 hours in yesterday and went to hang with the gf and then did some more and then had my evening plans show up, then woke up early today to work on this, did so for 1.5 hours, and then that's when I saw the posts from Fate. And since this was all taking too long and there was some clear mechanical bullshit or misunderstanding going on, had to actually interact with this to make sure those things are being addressed before I just get lim'd.

Also, I think there's actually some chance that Fate is just a cop who didn't want to outright claim cop so they can continue investigating. So idk a fate kill might actually be a good idea if that's the case, kinda depends on his answer to my questions about his role/how likely those answers seem to be real ones instead of lies.

[SirCakez]

Also...might be worth clarifying if you were to target the target of a bodyguard while using the strongman, would both the bodyguard and the the target die?

Reiterating this question for the mod because a 2-for-1 would be HUGE.

The original player dies, but the bodyguard lives

That...doesn't make sense based on the role PM you sent me for Adorable.

It explicitly says "if hte player you are protecting is attacked, you die"

Not "You die instead"

Yes, because the Strongman changes the mechanical resolution to cause the kill to be successful. The Bodyguard's protection fails and so they don't die.

[Cerberus v666]

Also...might be worth clarifying if you were to target the target of a bodyguard while using the strongman, would both the bodyguard and the the target die?

Reiterating this question for the mod because a 2-for-1 would be HUGE.

The original player dies, but the bodyguard lives

That...doesn't make sense based on the role PM you sent me for Adorable.

It explicitly says "if hte player you are protecting is attacked, you die"

Not "You die instead"

Yes, because the Strongman changes the mechanical resolution to cause the kill to be successful. The Bodyguard's protection fails and so they don't die.

So...mechanically the strongman functions as a simultaneous global roleblock on all protectives or roleblocking abilities that would prevent the kill from happening, so secondary effects of the protections don't occur?

[SirCakez]

I'm not going to say that. I will just say that in this interaction with a BG that's what would occur.

[HighPrincessErinys]

p-p-p-p-pETAPAN?? OF ALL PEOPLE?? HERE TO WHITE KNIGHT FOR YOU??

[Cerberus v666]

Lmao. Man..I wish life was less busy right now.

[Cerberus v666]

Also. I think at this point you might be best suited in going heavy on defending me, OR let yourself be talked into voting me s l o w l y.

Too much defense of the scum flip from the person who does not have to be worried about the tracker=not scummy.

[HighPrincessErinys]

So in advance, definitely want to 'clear' Jingle tonight by saying this one tracked him, because right now even though this one's read favor has dropped in his list, it's still pretty thoroughly in his pocket rn it would say.

DEFINITELY want peta now the way he's white knighting you for no reasonable... reason

[HighPrincessErinys]

curse that radical rat for having a sound argument...! and also curse me not having enough material to go "wellll you like to bring up the possibility of scum!fate without prompting alot"

[HighPrincessErinys]

ALRIGHT. TIME TO GET MY SHIT TOGETHER. WOULD REALLY LOVE TO MAKE A STUPID FUCKING PLAY ON "WTF PETAPAN WENT TO THE KILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!" BUT THIS ONE WOULD BE DEAD AS A DOOR NAIL THE NEXT DAY SO. MAYBE NOT RN.

[Cerberus v666]

Hey. So finished up finals for this semester an hour and a half ago, a bit too late to actually do anything more.

A peta lim coming from Fate is very possible.

The fact that Fate had results on me is still very suspect. I'll be asking SC if that was a mod error, a lie from town, or a misunderstanding from town.

I think naive town is a reasonable conclusion for them to draw from your play, and a lim on Adorable is just as likely as one on you. Strongman tonight, ensure that RR dies so you don't have to worry about missing a kill on the last night.

Good luck. Sorry I wasn't able to do more.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one isn't super sure how to go about things but it was thinking of deliberately killing Adorable with a Strongman? It had some idea on how to use that against RR ("well if it was strongman that gets past effects like rolestopper, why didnt they kill the TRACKER??") but it could easily be explained as "well what if adorable just protected someone" and not "what if RR isnt the role he says he is" so idk if that's like. A great idea...? Also need to figure out who to """"""track""""".

[HighPrincessErinys]

And it's not your fault, you got swamped by real life priorities. Happens to the best of us.

[Cerberus v666]

This one isn't super sure how to go about things but it was thinking of deliberately killing Adorable with a Strongman? It had some idea on how to use that against RR ("well if it was strongman that gets past effects like rolestopper, why didnt they kill the TRACKER??") but it could easily be explained as "well what if adorable just protected someone" and not "what if RR isnt the role he says he is" so idk if that's like. A great idea...? Also need to figure out who to """"""track""""".

Deliberate strongman kill on Adorable is bad. Might as well just regular kill where you think she'd protect(RR) and be prepared for both outcomes, if you want to save the strongman.

I feel there's a decent chance that tomorrow's power is a vig shot, and if so it will be put in the hands of the person who you clear(since you can't be scum *with* them, and with my flip they'll see any interference in your targeting as nearly impossible). Gotta track a VT claim. Clearung peta goes a LONG way to getting you townlocked I think, as you'd be stopping the fate push and making it more likely they reassess the 1x scum in VT claims idea - but that's exactly why it would be dangerous to do. Clearing wgeurts might not be the worst idea, but I never got around to isoing him and can't really predict where he's likely to have come around to on the subject of you, and having him as conftown would be an absolute nightmare if he's out for your head.

Don't forget about it being possible that whoeever you don't see go anywhere might be a ninja, something usable if you need to push your clear, but unless you start off with it in your possibility space/the way you're approaching "reevaluating" the game tomorrow, it will come across as opportunistic, so should be an endgame move, not something to push a lim tomorrow.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Clearing wgeurts who was my biggest rival might be good, esp if it can push peta as a result.

[SirCakez]

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