Newbie 1904 - Game Over

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HELLO

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I SAID HELLO

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VOTE: Jess

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We're still waiting on two more players to post. So far nothing in particular scummy is happening.

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His entrance isn't alignment indicative to me. Can't see why town or scum would post that with intentions of progressing the game. Just RVS stuff I guess.

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There are only two votes on the wagon now. That's a shame. Wanted to see what sort of pressure that wagon would generate. Looks like we just happened to RVS wagon the wrong player who happened to be the one inactive one lol.

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Thoughts on abyssallords possible townslip?

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Well UNVOTE: jess

Wouldn't want a newly subbed in player to have a wagon on them lol.

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(I also recognize that there is no jest in this game.)

[sarcasm font] yeah, joking around is usually a quick auto lynch [saracasm font]


@muh, I am not sure. There are three ways to approach it:

1) take is as a legit townslip, which means he is town.
2) take it as a fake townslip, which means he is scum.
3) take it as NAI, and go off other play/posts to get a proper read on him.

Think I'll go with 3. Not really worth it to commit to his slip and confirm him as town or scum imo. Especially this early.

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VOTE: auhsoj

VOTE: auhsoj

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I picked up irrel wants to get past RVS which I think is good for the game (either alignments) and I think a wagon is the perfect way to do so. We just happened to get a wagon on the wrong player the first attempt.

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So to answer you queston, auhsoj since he was the only player with two votes. I do like your jim vote btw.

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Actually wait, auhsoj might be the wrong player too lol. He hasn't posted in over two days.

VOTE: jim

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Forgot about this.

Busy tonight but will be on tommrow, presume the only reason I'm L-2 is that I've been quiet?

You're not L-2 anymore I think.

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Hey Lamees. Nothing to say on the wagon on you?

Still too early. I have a slight feeling there is one scum on. But nothing strongly indicates that yet.

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Could someone explain how abysallord townslipped? I don't see

Well you see, you asking how he could town slip could be again a possible town slip from your side.

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I think wagoning is pro-town in general (though obviously it can lead to mislynches sometimes), because the pressure it provides helps to find scum
I think VOTE: Jim is overly afraid of wagons

I'm not afraid of wagons. I'm wary of one particular person blindly jumping on wagons and justifying their actions afterwards.

What about someone who jumps on a wagon but the reason they give for jumping on a wagon is that the player whose wagon they jumped on, was jumping on too much wagons?

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I heard the weekends were usually less active, day 1 too. Should pick up soon.

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VOTE: abyssallord

If you look on page 4, he follows my vote and votes jim right after me. Then decides to scum read me for following votes.

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Not even sure about jim. My early play was to get a wagon, any one really, and get reactions from the player being wagoned. But I guess inactivity interfered with that strategy. So nothing useful came from it.

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L-1. That was quick. Definitely scum on the wagon. When I flip green lynch ceejay or child. Guaranteed 1 or scum in there.

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Child with that sneaky way of getting off my wagon lol

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Still getting used to the names. I haven't seen anything suspicious between the two of them, besides post 150/151. Don't know what that was about.

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You don't pocket someone by following their votes. Besides, If my latest vote was just sheeping irrel I would have said so. I'm not just sheeping, I gave a reason for my vote. Coincidence that irrel happened to be voting for that player too.

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I picked up irrel wants to get past RVS which I think is good for the game (either alignments) and I think a wagon is the perfect way to do so. We just happened to get a wagon on the wrong player the first attempt.

hmm... what could this lead to?

Actually wait, auhsoj might be the wrong player too lol. He hasn't posted in over two days.

VOTE: jim

Alright, without the previous post, i could let this slide. But now i cant see your reasoning.
Why are you trying so desperately to get a wagon? Most of the people you voted didnt even write anything contributing to the convo. There are two reasons you seem to bring about with this wagon:
First is to get out of RVS, in which case voting anyone and seeing their reactions will do fine. No reason in changing from whoever you were voting before.
And in the second post, you say that joshua might be the wrong player. And what do you mean by wrong player? He hasnt responded yet, and you just seem to want to jump from wagon to wagon. Explain what you want to do, clearly, uncontradictary.

It's all here in the posts themselves. But I'll try to explain. I think we all agree that wagons in RVS is a nice way to progress the game. So that's why I joined irrel's wagon. Then as you can see, the first and second RVS wagon were both on inactive players, who got subbed out. And you even state here in the quote that the player has not reacted to the wagon, EXACTLY. Which is why I shifted away from the useless reactionless INACTIVE PLAYER wagon. Why am I having to explain this btw...

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It's like everyone agrees that a RVS wagon on an inactive player who isnt going to give responses/info/reactions is useless. I AGREE WHICH IS WHY I CHANGED TO A DIFFERENT PLAYER. I even clearly saw and notified everyone that a wagon we have is on a player that hasnt posted in two days so I think we had the wagon on the wrong player and I changed vote.

Oh and remember at the development of these wagons, the players weren't inactive at the time.

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Also that is L-1 if I'm not mistaken?

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UNVOTE: AbyssalLord

His latest post makes me think he is town. Will re-read the thread later.

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Just ended a newbie game. Have more time so should pick up my activity. Read list coming in soon.

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Yeah, ceejay's ISO is scum pushing lynch after lynch. Looks like he is willing to lynch whoever bar a few players. To be town and vote so freely on every wagon is concerning. Scum lean.

VOTE: ceejayvonoya

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Read list tomorrow, got home late.

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What made me scum read ceejay is that me and him had very very (I think possibly identical) voting patterns. But when he saw a wagon on me he all of a sudden scum reads me, extremely opportunistic, shows a mafia agenda.

Also, he outright power role fished and wanted L-1 on me in the same post (post 143). This type of post cannot possibly benefit town and no doubt harms town because 1) if I claim power role scum can plan better night actions and know what to be cautious for. 2) having someone at L-1 that early (especially since I was being town read by a few) is just asking for a miss lynch. If he is town why would he want a speed lynch of a town read player AND have power roles outed in early day 1 lol.

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CJ has been lynchbait before I think, or at least I know his play style sometimes gets him scumread
Having said that, I’m finding the cases against him somewhat convincing. Almost done rereading

Lamees you seem easier to read/understand here than in our last game. Is that intentional?

Which game? Was it the game where I as town got accused of scum slip? That game my thought pattern was that it was beneficial to lynch me. Town was so I think I was sorta right.

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UNVOTE: ceejay

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The abyssal lynch is not good for town imo. I have a feeling he is actually VT as he claimed. The lynch will be rushed and I'm not even sure what we gain from it. High chance of the wagon being all town as everyone just wants a lynch.

Town AND scum would be likely to rush a miss lynch. I usually agree that a lynch is better than no lynch. But this case I'll go:

No lynch > abyssal lynch. A miss lynch on town for info is worthwihile, BUT I don't see what info we can gain from an abyssal miss lynch here.

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Still feels rushed so not sure what info we'll get. But I guess town's only way to get mafia is by lynching so I'm down to gamble. Not sure if the odds are good but multiple players have a case on him.

VOTE: okx

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If there are any power roles in the game claim now. Very low chances to land both of our lynches on the two power roles. I get the feeling someone is being dishonest here lol.

This tracker claim seems coached.

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Ok I looked at the columns. We are probably in column C with a solo jail keeper. And scum is free to claim tracker. I am for lynching okx here. High chance of scum.

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I wasn't sure of okx's alignment but that tracker claim is just too small of a chance to actually be tracker. We caught scum okx imo.

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Ok so that should be 1 scum.

Ceejay jail me tonight please and thanks.

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Irrel who'd you track?

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I am leaning last scum is either of abyssal or muh

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VOTE: muh316

Dongempire and child had no reason to start a push on their scum partner. Irrel being tracker. Abyssal being track cleared.

That leaves jim hawkins and muh316 as the only two left. It could be either of them but I'm leaning muh316 after reading jim's iso, who was planning to lynch okx for majority of the game.

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Ok so that should be 1 scum.

Ceejay jail me tonight please and thanks.

Why did you ask to be Jailkept?

I’m not ready to clear Child, there’s some weird moments regarding the slot in Okx’s ISO (remember Child replaced Jess)

Why not? He's the one that led the Okx lynch.

That leaves jim hawkins and muh316 as the only two left. It could be either of them but I'm leaning muh316 after reading jim's iso, who was planning to lynch okx for majority of the game.

Where in Jim's ISO was he planning to lynch okx for the majority of the game? He was ready to lynch him 2 days before the deadline after he saw Child's analysis. Furthermore, he never actually voted Okx. He just stated he was going to 30 minutes before game ends. For all we know this could have been scumJim trying to pull off a no-lynch.

To cause wifom for scum. Also in case he actually decided to jk me and somehow survive then I'll be cleared too.

Yeah, you're right about jim regarding okx. I guess we have miss lynches so I'm ok with either one of you and jim (because of process of elimination).

VOTE: jim hawkins

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Scum have hard bussed and won newbie games before (re: Child)
It wouldn’t be the first time

Worst case scenario scum is dongempire or child. And we end up losing.

High chance scum lies between jim and muh though.

Had we lynched the scum goon, I'd be thinking you bussed and there's no tracker in the game lol.

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After abyssal being cleared it's you or muh316. If you're town we'll win tomorrow imo. So don't worry too much.

I do think it's higher chance of being muh316 but following majority vote is better, and has proven to work this game.

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We will (or SHOULD) lose irrel tonight if we lynch town

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We should hammer soon. I don't think there's anything ground breakings going to happen.

I'd say chances of scum are:
40 % jim
40 % muh
5% child
5% dong

From my POV

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I mean if child or dong bussed we just have to accept a loss. There's no way to find out lol.

I say this because the lynch order should be:

Muh
Jim
Last lynch is probably me

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We CANNOT under any circumstances not lynch jim and muh here.

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The longer we leave it the more wifom is gonna be generated. I already see players unvoting jim lol. Please do not screw this up. It's muh or jim. Read the way the lynch went down-If I had not voted there would for sure be no lynch.

I am leaning muh because scum agreed to claim tracker. With the hammer being that close to deadline, their only hope was that the actual tracker was offline/afk until deadline. I assume the mafia goon (okx's partner) told him that "if tracker cc's I HAVE TO HAMMER YOU". Muh fits this theory.

But jim not voting and claiming he will hammer (with it being that close to deadline this delayed hammer post is super unreliable and scummy, and I dont see why jim did this as town). If muh didnt hammer I assume jim would not hammer with the excuse of afk or something.

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But jim not voting and claiming he will hammer (with it being that close to deadline this delayed hammer post is super unreliable and scummy, and I dont see why jim did this as town). If muh didnt hammer I assume jim would not hammer with the excuse of afk or something.

jim waiting could also be buying time, asking ohx to claim PR and hoping town loses confidence, that's true. both are good lynches imo, the only difference is my gut is telling me to vote muh, so i am going for him.

I am torn too. I am also leaning muh but I thought the rest were leaning jim. Anyway there's still some co-ordination to do, I'm fine with either one.

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It was an assumption. How do I know if you would hammer?

I am leaning muh316 though, but if he is town surely it's you.

VOTE: muh316

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I still think it’s VOTE: Jim
His recent read list doesn’t make sense - me and Abyssal should be at the top of anyone’s reads
dongempire is actually a slight possibility here
I now think Child is less likely to be scum than dong

I don't think scum would try to do this lol. He probably legit doesn't understand the setup, as town he didn't have reason to. Could still be scum playing dumb idk.

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@jim, jailer had way more than a 50% chance of getting killed. They wouldn't target tracker in case the jailer decided to protect the tracker and block their kill.
Having a jailer alive is bad for scum because it can shut down a night kill.
Also you're correct, I did ask to be jailed for a case of possible misdirection, but for scum, not town.

@muh what's your read on jim?

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Everyone wanted extra time why?

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You already voted. It's dong and abyss that needs to vote.

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Lol omg. Can someone hammer. Like 1 day left.

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Gg muh. Now we wait for the flip.

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Gg everyone. Thanks micc for hosting.

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Great job town!
I was townreading muh right up until lynch, so I’m glad I didn’t follow my read on jim there

Happened to me on day 1, where I just decided to go with town. Worked pretty well this game.

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Since I almost got lynched day 1 and scumread by everyone, what should I do better?

I'll let others answer this question but I'll also respond.

I think you got power role cleared. Tracked and jailed lol. To improve just play more games and get a feel for how others play and what goes on. Day 1 lynch doesnt necessarily mean you played badly (it has to be someone being lynched, usually). But I guess you getting scum read during day 1 and both power roles suspecting you night 1 shows you were being universally scum read, while you were town. Which worked FOR town this game, but in future games might not work out well. But yeah, I'll let others add advice since I'm not good at this type of thing.