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1. A couple years ago I played frequently. I took a hiatus and just came back.
2. As town I like to post often and seriously. I ask questions and pressure players who are inactive or anti-town. I'm not afraid to take a stand if I disagree with the way others are reading the game. Activity lessens if my RL is busy.
3. As scum I try to play my town-game.
4. This depends on the player, and I'd rather not give specific answers to this and help out scum who may be in their first game.-
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Wow talk about scum claiming in your first post! Get 'em boys.In post 10, dicideaq wrote:1. I'm new
2.I guess I'd listen to everyone else and make no accusations.
3. I guess I'd stay quiet
4. I think scum usually puts a lot of accusations, whereas most town will be quiet
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So do you think me asking you to vote dici for scum-slipping in his first post is more likely to come from a scum mindset?In post 22, Amzela wrote:
Because as a newbie, picking on the newbies is mean and even though we're in RVSing no need to scare people away.In post 19, Loopdan wrote:Amzela, why aren't you voting for obvscum dici?
On that note.
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I promise I'll explain but I want everyone to check in first.In post 37, EGL wrote:Can I get an explanation first about dicide's alleged scumslip?-
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Question: "Why did you ask me?"In post 44, Clemency wrote:
because i asked youIn post 41, Loopdan wrote:Clem, why are you asking me to unvote when you have that power within yourself?
Answer: "Because I asked you."
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I will once everyone checks in. Right now I like it as it is.In post 54, Clemency wrote:unvote yourself now please and thank you-
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Not really. There was no scumslip. I was just hoping to give an excuse for the other experienced players to pile on a newbie player for some pressure. Pretty sure they could tell that wasn't a serious vote. But newer players see me say I saw a scumclaim and want answers (like you did) or sometimes use it as an excuse to jump on a wagon. These are all helpful.In post 57, EGL wrote:Don't you think it would have been better to talk about what you perceived as a dicideaq scumslip rather than your self-voting?
RVS is not very helpful (although I actually kinda like Teacher's questions). I like to take the game to unusual places to see how players respond. And here we are.-
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Does that count as an actual unvote?In post 60, teacher wrote:UNVOTE: please
I mean I like to live dangerously and all but I feel that was too much and proving a point???? I’m past useful today but we should make sure there is a tomorrow et al.-
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Yeah, don't worry about him. He's drunk.In post 67, EGL wrote:@teacher that shouldn't have been hammer because amzela unvoted-
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Not sure yet. I'm surprised Clem didn't unvote. Your vote and unvote were better than Amzela's, but I think I can see her thinking in 53.In post 70, EGL wrote:Thoughts on reactions to your play, loopdan?-
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I'm not sure I understand. Horribly defensive about what? Being voted?In post 74, Clemency wrote:also i'm not unvoting because you're being horribly defensive about it-
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I've never said or implied that scum wouldn't do this. In fact I'll make it clear: I've seen scum self-vote more often than town. But you are trying to change the subject instead of just explaining your thinking.In post 84, Clemency wrote:
because there's so much sense in self-voting to l-1, right?In post 81, Loopdan wrote:That makes no sense.
And it also makes no sense that you'd insist I unvote myself but refuse to unvote me.
you're saying words but all i hear is "scum wouldnt do that, there for i'm town, right, guys? guys??"-
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You are experienced enough to know I wasn't trying to get myself lynched.In post 85, Clemency wrote:i want you playing to your win-con-
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As much as I don't get you right now, I much prefer this version of Clem to that memey lazy version.In post 96, Clemency wrote:good lord i forgot how infuriating actually trying is-
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Yeah I did find dicideaq's answers (10) the worst of anybody's, but I obviously oversold it as a scumslip. Why was it bad? It looks like he is pre-emptively making excuses for not scum-hunting and saying that's what he thinks town would do.In post 123, teacher wrote:I do scumread Dicideaq's answers to the question ,and I thought Dan did too
And this naked vote isn't great, given there is much to talk about between dici's two posts.-
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Agreed.In post 123, teacher wrote:EGL is now my hardest town for the consistent desire for information and using the vote to pressure well.-
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I won't make you wait for Teacher to reply to get your answer. The answer is no, you shouldn't self-vote for shits and giggles. It's almost always anti-town.In post 124, Amzela wrote:@Teacher, is it kosher to vote yourself in RVS for shits and giggles or is that still really scummy?
Obviously I thought it would help me sort players, and it was still an RVS wagon, so I didn't think it would be harmful. I gave it some thought. For example, I wouldn't have put myself at L-1 if Teacher wasn't already on the wagon, because he had already said he was drinking heavily, and if he was scum he might have been able to get away with a "drunk-hammer." Yes, I've seen that happen.
One last note then I'm moving on from this... I would not have done it if I was the IC, because it really isn't something we should be encouraging newer players to emulate. Clem and I were once in a game where Hark (who was a newer player and was town) scum-claimed in his first post and it destroyed any hope of town finding each other day1.-
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Child knew TTTT was my alt at least four hours before he posted 168, which means he had read post 137. But when he was typing 168 he somehow hadn't read 129 on the same page as 137.
Yet 168 looks like he is developing reads as he is going through the game post by post.
I think it's more likely he is manufacturing his reads in 168 than he legitimately only read post 137 on page 6.-
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I want some more votes on Child and Clem is the kind of player who isn't afraid to sheep (some people think this makes them look weak, but Clem is a memey player so I don't think he minds). The only insight it really provides is that it looks like his read changed on me, since I was his prior vote.In post 184, EGL wrote:@loop How exactly does that prove Clemency isn't his partner again? Scummates will often try to distance themselves from one another in case one of them gets caught, won't they? And since you asked him to do it for that very reason... Are you thinking scum clem would follow along with your request in an attempt at passing as town?-
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I'll try explaining it the other way around.In post 179, u r a person 2 wrote:Hey, I'm looking forward to playing with everyone. yadda yadda, I'm on the last day of my vacation and doing an 18 hour drive tomorrow so I'm going to semi active and then I'm going to be not at all active and then I'm going to be active.
Jumping right in, can you give me the full walk through here because I'm trying to see what you're talking about and I'm not.In post 172, Loopdan wrote:Child knew TTTT was my alt at least four hours before he posted 168, which means he had read post 137. But when he was typing 168 he somehow hadn't read 129 on the same page as 137.
Child came into the game and immediately said hi TTTT (one of my alts). Teacher is like how'd you know that so quick have you been following the game? Child is like yeah bro I skimmed it. Then 4 hours later Child posts a play-by-play of the game which shows him developing his reads, and replying to other's posts, and not realizing what I was doing with the L-1 self-vote... until he gets to a post on page 6 where I explained it, and he's like damn bro you got me! But I had mentioned I was TTTT a couple posts above that post on page 6, so if he's already read that page why is he acting like he is developing these reads in his play-by-play.
In other words it looks fake.-
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Yes. State your intent Clem. It's the Newbie Q.In post 206, Clemency wrote:would people be mad if i hammered this-
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I don't know if self-voting is more likely to come from scum or not when it's early like that. Scum does self-vote more than town but it's usually the hammer. To be fair, if a new player came in and did what I did, I would probably be all over them until/unless they explained a motive that was consistent with their actions and were playing in a way that made me believe they would do something like that.In post 205, u r a person 2 wrote:I don't know your personality, loopdan, but that early self-vote like its cousin the scum-claim has to come more often from scum than town, right?
Agree on this being a good wagon. That's one reason I voted.In post 205, u r a person 2 wrote: either way, this wagon is pretty dope.
if dici is scum, i think this wagon is 100% town
if dici is town, i think there is at most 1 scum on this wagon rn and that maybe-scum is loop-
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It looked like a towney post.
I was just saying that if Teacher wasn't on my wagon already I wouldn't have put myself at L-1. I said that because I wanted people to realize I wasn't being careless, as I tried to think through the possible outcomes.In post 213, Amzela wrote: -- Loop as... scum lean?
>> really, really didn't like that self-vote, no matter how you slice n' dice it. 87 feels like a weird defense against Clem. 129 is an agreement, but I still don't get the whole thing about Teacher drunk hammering and how that would help town.
So do you think unwarranted aggression is more likely to be scum than town?In post 213, Amzela wrote: The aggression towards Child seems unwarranted, explaining below.
You are going to have to get used to people asking questions that aren't nice and/or polite. It's how alignments are sorted. If you are town here, I'm kinda worried that all scum will have to do is befriend you and you'll be in their pocket.In post 213, Amzela wrote: On top of that the 210 push on Teacher to comment on Dici's L-1 instead of IC-posting feels weird. I get that may be an "is Teacher actually town or no?" line of questioning.-
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I'm buying what you are selling.In post 214, u r a person 2 wrote:
This and the rest of your commentary on dici reads really scummy to me.In post 213, Amzela wrote:Mama-Amz would be angry because I have a feeling Dici's scared/on holiday. On the other hand, I also reeeeeeeally wanna hammer this too because I'm bad at reading people as well.
If dici flips red, this looks like the partner
Amzela in this post: I really scum read him, too, but he's probably just newb!town but I really want to hammer him because I'm bad at reading people.-
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I love this post.In post 224, EGL wrote:If Clemency is around can I get another vote on amzela?-
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@Teach, just to be clear I'm not saying you should have made an IC post about protocol for L-1s. I was just surprised to see you post after the L-1 vote without saying anything about the possible lynch of dici. You were the first vote on him after all, so I'm curious how that wagon forming up on an absent player works for you.-
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Yeah, I can't disagree with that.In post 256, teacher wrote:Bottom line, take wagon position into account, but only as one piece of data to be weighed like the rest of it
I'm also down with your 252 and URAP2's take on it. Time to townbloc this day1.
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