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Hey, I'm looking forward to playing with everyone. yadda yadda, I'm on the last day of my vacation and doing an 18 hour drive tomorrow so I'm going to semi active and then I'm going to be not at all active and then I'm going to be active.

Jumping right in, can you give me the full walk through here because I'm trying to see what you're talking about and I'm not.

Child knew TTTT was my alt at least four hours before he posted 168, which means he had read post 137. But when he was typing 168 he somehow hadn't read 129 on the same page as 137.

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Welcome u r a person 2.

and a hearty welcome to you as well!

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clemency - town lean. My thinking meshed with his when reading through his interaction with loopdan about the self vote. Nothing I would take to the bank. i did a paper on estonia once upon a time and that might be biasing me here. It seems like a nice country.

child - lemme wait on this until loopdan explains his insight a little better.

dici - I see what ya'll have been talking about and I believe that for some people their openings can be very AI. also the naked vote.. it's a scummy start, no way around it. Could be lynch bait. Dici, if you're town, then I think you're probably struggling to get into this game. I suggest that you talk about your reads, arguments people have made, votes, or really anything at all.

VOTE: Dici

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I'll try explaining it the other way around.

Child came into the game and immediately said hi TTTT (one of my alts). Teacher is like how'd you know that so quick have you been following the game? Child is like yeah bro I skimmed it. Then 4 hours later Child posts a play-by-play of the game which shows him developing his reads, and replying to other's posts, and not realizing what I was doing with the L-1 self-vote... until he gets to a post on page 6 where I explained it, and he's like damn bro you got me! But I had mentioned I was TTTT a couple posts above that post on page 6, so if he's already read that page why is he acting like he is developing these reads in his play-by-play.

In other words it looks fake.

Thanks for explaining! I thought you had caught him pretending not to know your alts after knowing his alts, or something.

Yeah, you're right it's fake. Child's explanation is consistent with his post 169, and I think his explanation is probably the truth. I'm not sure it's AI by itself. I could see those entrance posts coming from either alignment.

Actually, that's not quite right. I can definitely see town making Child's opening posts. I think scum!child could also make those posts, but I think is probably less likely to do so over all. Perversely, I think this is slightly town indicative.
p.edit
@teacher you could be right about 169. I'll think on it some more. It would have been a pretty egregious slip if Child wrote 168 while forgetting his skim claim

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I'm town reading elg and teacher. loopdan, not so much. I don't know your personality, loopdan, but that early self-vote like its cousin the scum-claim has to come more often from scum than town, right?

either way, this wagon is pretty dope.

if dici is scum, i think this wagon is 100% town
if dici is town, i think there is at most 1 scum on this wagon rn and that maybe-scum is loop

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only if you hit town ;P

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Mama-Amz would be angry because I have a feeling Dici's scared/on holiday. On the other hand, I also reeeeeeeally wanna hammer this too because I'm bad at reading people as well.

This and the rest of your commentary on dici reads really scummy to me.

If dici flips red, this looks like the partner

Amzela in this post: I really scum read him, too, but he's probably just newb!town but I really want to hammer him because I'm bad at reading people.

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reads scummy even if dici flips green

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@clem
are you still intending to hammer?

@egl yeah it's fair game if you think it is important

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okay, then

I'll join the party over here

VOTE: Amzela

p.edit dang i got like a billion p.edits on this little post

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but like, i think the whole backing the pressure off by the two of ya'll was kind of bleh. let a guy react under the gun

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hot take: scum usually doesn't go with the the "time moves different for me. it's all a flat circle" explanation. teacher is so town

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Bottom line, take wagon position into account, but only as one piece of data to be weighed like the rest of it

Yeah, I can't disagree with that.

I'm also down with your 252 and URAP2's take on it. Time to townbloc this day1.

what does your town block look like?

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bloc* lul

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Yeah I'm good with that for the moment.

This game makes sense to me as one where a bunch of town are playing together and scum are being pretty passive.

I think amzela has a pretty good shot at flipping red, and I think the other scum or scums are probably within {flippy, dici, child}

I hate being so vague but the whole flow of the game just feels like towns interacting with towns.

clem + loop's back and forth
people working together to l-1 dici, and then two townie "guys let's slow down" cold feet moments
consensus town bloc being formed

obviously prone to re evaluation but i'm really liking this game narrative atm

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@teacher you're a regular sherlock holmes with your investigation this game

VOTE: dici
teacher hasn't voted here yet but has indicated a preference. Teacher is playing his heart out this game. for the most part I agree with his thinking, and i'm going to support him. It's not quite follow the cop, but im sticking with the blood hound interrogator for the moment

I'm a bit hesitant on the clemency clear because it stems from the reasoning, "if my town reads are correct, then clemency is also town." Obviously this can lead to the total failure where you have town binned both scum through this thinking. It's fine for day one, but later days this assumption should be one of the first to be challenged. I guess this is more a reminder to myself than anything else since im sure teacher knows this stuff.

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Truuue, which is unfortunate because I think this might be an ideal day length for us as a town. Game sense says that right about now is when we start picking apart our town reads over little things while scum lurks/is replaced

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oops, that was @egl

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well, amz is town so vote has to go somewhere.

I was going to say that obviously i'd prefer to get a replacement and talk with em etc before a lynch but I think I'm actually just good with this lynch right now.

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no i haven't seen her role pm what kind of question is that

her interaction with teacher was great. amzela is not the day one lynch

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lynch it gogo

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sounds good to me

ten minutes or 10 days i think the only way that slot is answering is by replacement he flaked

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i'm not worried about emp flippy. sort him day 2 npnp

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I am pleased with this lynch even if it seems kind of underwhelming


And during night phase we can go back and look at both wagons (i think they were all the same people?

Might be something to glean there


Can't say I love playing with inactive slots but

Overall good chance he is scum

Plus GL is right the wagon comp is great

gj everybody see you on the flip side

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intent to hammer; child please claim in your next post. i'll give you as much time as you want to talk, so let's see what you can bring to the game

town circle = teacher, egl, clem

most likely scum: child
second most likely scum: emp
third most likely scum: Amz because i read her interaction with teacher as really town but i also read her interaction with dici slot as really scummy (called it out at the time, go see what you think) and this is negating my town read for the most part

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i know i had a reason i town binned clem after reading the game this morning

but I can't for the life of me remember why

And I went back into clem's iso to figure out why i town read him

turns out, i don't town read him.

@clem mate, why can it only be child? why not emp

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that's a remarkably compelling explanation, lol

no sarcasm intended

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i doubt he's scum, and those are good points

im basically arguing with myself over who i would lynch in a {amz,clem,urap} final three

we caaaaaaaan

or we could just lynch him in the event of a day 3



sigh w.e. i won't hammer until teacher says he doesn't mind the day ending

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i answered your post kind of upside down. first two lines are about clem. last 3 lines are about flippy/child's lynch

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yeah, mate, you got all the time in the world

or at least in this day phase

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give me like 3 hours and i will post reads

child =(

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give me like 3 hours and i will post reads

child =(

where you go tho

I'm hammering this tomorrow morning if no new posts

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for the record im central us so that's like 12-15 hrs

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i hear you on the whole day going slow thing

but

It is likely the game is slow because the last scum who was under the hammer promised reads and has yet to provide them.

the scumminess of which is an exponential function of time

>one scum left

>guy comes in to L-1 and says he will post in 3 hours.

if he then doesn't post for 24 hours, that's ++scum equity, don't you think, teacher?

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do you want me to answer you now about nka or do you want me to wait for child/flippy

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this is where i would have hammered

VOTE: child

teeeeeaaacccchhhher

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L-1 of course

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teacher your pr analysis looks fine to me

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Teacher is a pretty with some sort of green check on clem

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Pretty=pr

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I'm not spilling the beans. He claimed it

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Teacher is conf town unless scum wants to be silly and claim at some point

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TBH I don't know if I'd ever believe a claim conflicting with teacher

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I think it's just a method of formatting. I'm sure I've seen it before

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@mod m voting child as seen below. Thanks!

this is where i would have hammered

VOTE: child

teeeeeaaacccchhhher

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I think there is a lot more info to be gleaned out of the NK as well as the flip. But I want to call upon @Child ..... I can share my thoughts after that.

@URAP2, I'd rather have my NKA out in case I die tonight, and Id rather wait to publish mine at least until Child gets prodded. So I am going to gum up the works a bit today. Sorry (not sorry).

you should write your nka with the assumption that child is town because this is today's lynch if he doesn't come back

3 hours until he can be prodded ish, yeah?

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looks like two votes on him, clems and mine

so l-2

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child will be prodded whenever mod gets back. it's 36 hours im pretty sure

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@Amzela It doesn't really help anyone if you're constantly defending him. It doesn't help him start playing, because he doesn't have to speak for himself. It doesn't help the town, because he's not talking so we can't get a read on him. To be honest, it just looks like a scum buddying up to a townie. And the very fact that you said you're voting him to "clear (your) name" does the opposite. And with two votes on you, you put him back to L-1.

Do you feel that newbie games are also supposed to help newbies learn how to play? Would there have been a lesson for him to help him in future games had Clem hammered?

@teacher oooh you might be really on to something. my emphasis

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i think i was p.edited by that post. This might be the first time I've actually read it

but like

does that ever come from town?

has anyone ever seen town defend against a lynch because it would impede on a learning opportunity? srs question

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okay thank you

good that makes more sense

i didn't want to be in an elg rabbit hole

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why

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who would you like to lynch?

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@URAP2, while we are just sitting around gabbing, you actually never answered my start of the game questions. You have the feel of someone who has played a bit. Are you an alt of a MS player? Have you played elsewhere? Whats your experience? etc....

no
yes
take me as i am i have 2 completed games on site now if you wish for meta

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GG??

good lynch either way

<3

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I would like to propose a mass claim.

Thoughts?

I'm especially looking at you, Teacher.

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well, i thought that with teacher's d1 result, his new result, and whatever the pr had we would probably have a mechanical solve

but if teacher is vt that might be out the window

that said, we're already going down this rabbit hole. we can't stop now. ya'll gotta claim

I'm VT

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gg good check clem

this is the vote today.

if emp is green we lynch clem 100%

grats town

VOTE: emporer flip

what were your full checks, btw?

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amz is of course doctor with a save on... teacher?

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teacher was a fine check too

well played

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gg wp. i got it wrong over the night phase trying to figure out scum between amz and flippy. oh well

teacher was a beast this game. gj mate

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Spoiler: CELEBRATION!

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lynch it gogo

im really low key ashamed of this post

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Redacted post meant for other thread --P

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uh wrong thread

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I ask for one in pretty much all of my games

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I do but I think I need to sit a round out. I've got a couple energy intensive games atm

maybe i'll try and replace in

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and yeah, teacher and i both concluded scum amzela right before the end of the game, independently, in our pts