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In post 116, YellowSnow wrote:Partially because you want me too and that makes me think he may be town.
knowing my alignment, this looks townie for yellow snowIn post 119, YellowSnow wrote:That's completely the opposite of what I said. I said every player regardless of weather they are town or scum will say they are town therefore the known scum rate is 2/9 not 2/8 because no one is going to bank you are town except you.
I've changed my mind since I said I would vote him earlier. Expressing a willingness to vote someone does not lock me into that.
it's an awkward non-vote and I think I would scum read it if I didn't know Moony was town.
But I do know that to be true, and I don't see a scum motivation for yellow snow here.103-11 0-2-
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@GL How brave do you really think it would have been of scum!GW? If you had a green check on me, would you give GW a strong town read?In post 138, GuiltyLion wrote:stoking the fires of the mooney wagon is also a brave move as scum if that slot is town. overall he's doing his own thing and doesn't seem particularly concerned with how others are looking at him for it103-11 0-2-
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I got you famIn post 150, GrandWazoo wrote:I really don't see moony getting confirmed town. My hope at this point is that he's replaced by a more engaged player.103-11 0-2-
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lolololIn post 158, computerfan0 wrote:I have no idea who's Mafia or Townie. The only one I'm certain of is me, but I'm not telling...
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I'm melding with the duck right hereIn post 183, the worst wrote:for the record the posturing in 127 leading into the HARD TOWNREAD on a lurker slot in 162 is what's ringing my alarm bells. incidentally I think Nineja => GL interactions are more likely to be scum/scum than anything else I've spotted today.. The way he nullreads him and just... leaves him there is pinging
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The unvote runs counter to the sentiment of this phrase, but resisting tw's attempt to get him to vote feels town overallIn post 198, GrandWazoo wrote:All I got in this world is my balls and my vote. And I don't break 'em for no one.103-11 0-2-
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I'm sorry if you've already done this, but did you ever go back to 259 after TW's flip?In post 270, JunkoChan wrote:TL:DR This will be a good post to come back to, depending on what nineja or tw turn out to be103-11 0-2-
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In post 302, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 243, YellowSnow wrote:One could also say that you are defending your lurking scum buddy.SCUMPOST ALERT
I don't like either of these posts, mate. I hope you did make up your activity D2In post 303, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 248, JunkoChan wrote:
can we do the opposite? you tell me what screams scum about them? let me be the phicologist for onceIn post 247, the worst wrote:@Junko, do you townread Nineja?
I noticed your comment about "good non invasive logic" (sorry if i'm miswording here). do you think that's town indicative & could you talk me thru what about his posts you found towny?
sorry for overquestioning, i'm just not seeing it. i think it's one of those things where it's easy to see his long posts and go "wow he's playing the game" but the more i'm reading them the more i'm just...not seeing a town mindset there...TOWNPOST ALERT103-11 0-2-
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oh, what's the claim gimme gimme so i know while i'm readingIn post 764, YellowSnow wrote:Is it possible that the doctor claim is a fake claim and there is a real doctor but they don't want to reveal themselves and get night killed?103-11 0-2-
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Yes, these are my thoughts as well.In post 363, brassherald wrote:This reads like a homework assignment, you saw you had to find 7 townies and barely justify it, so that's what you did.
And you have read basically nothing from me, and you're attacking me?
No, this is a bad catch up, its either fake, or you really are deluded enough to think you can game solve day 1.103-11 0-2-
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this pings me as townieIn post 384, brassherald wrote:There is nothing that says anyone has to be neutral and fair, and I might be grumpy most of the time, but I have no reason to be nice to someone who is coming in hot like this.103-11 0-2-
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wtf was this turn aroundIn post 471, GuiltyLion wrote:alright then, have it your way. let's flip him and find out
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i agree with thisIn post 538, Junk wrote:This is a pretty brave post to make as scum. Since they would know for sure I'm town. And they (Junko) seem like a newbie.
So yeah, Junko is almost certainly town, guys.103-11 0-2-
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well, except for the newbie part and the almost certainly partIn post 773, u r a person 2 wrote:
i agree with thisIn post 538, Junk wrote:This is a pretty brave post to make as scum. Since they would know for sure I'm town. And they (Junko) seem like a newbie.
So yeah, Junko is almost certainly town, guys.
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oh hey it's meIn post 561, the worst wrote:in newbie 1905 u r a person 2 weighed up the options & ended up agreeing with my advice to cop Yyotta night one. he guiltied her.103-11 0-2-
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in the world where junk is the doctor, then scum would know that he is town. I don't follow your argument.In post 776, YellowSnow wrote:773 assumes that Junk is trueclaiming. It seems to me that townjunk would be trying to make his case that he's not fakeclaiming rather than just expect everyone to just assume he is telling the truth when there is obviously a possibility of him fakeclaiming. The "they would know for sure I'm town." statement bothers me as a mistatement that town should not make and scum might want to bend the truth to scums advantage.
I can also live in the world where the uncc'd doctor is real while also knowing there is a chance the claim is fake.103-11 0-2-
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@YS have you played in any completed newbie games?In post 617, YellowSnow wrote:I'm a little confused by the setup. Does that mean there could potentially be two scum pr's four town prs and three vanillas?103-11 0-2-
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You see no reason to consider that it could be goon+goon vs cop?In post 626, JunkoChan wrote:So we basicly got no power roles now, junk
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okay I answered the question myself. You had completed two newbie games prior to making these posts. So did you never figure out the setup while playing those games?In post 628, YellowSnow wrote:I've never played it before why would I not know it and how would lying benefit me?103-11 0-2-
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I feel your paranoiaIn post 705, GrandWazoo wrote:But think about the likelihood of a) one scum targeting TW for the NK; b) town!Junk targeting TW for protection; and c) the other scum roleblocking town!Junk. This highly improbable scenario is exactly what he wants us to believe! Compare that to the likelihood of scum!Junk successfully FC (83.3%). And even if Junk is CC'd by the actual Doc, he probably thinks he can bury that claim in verbiage and hostility, as he has done to town all game.
but is it really so low probability?
if junk is the doctor, then the rb for sure role blocks him
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well, he claimed D1
and the presumption is usually that town won't lie about their role
so in this world from scum perspective, he was almost certainly doctor.
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is this a continued dumbtell attempt? (i dislike that word. I'm not trying to call you dumb. I'm just wondering if you are faking these questions.)103-11 0-2-
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In post 507, Junk wrote:
And I'm at L-1 now since you weren't voting me beforeIn post 504, JunkoChan wrote:
this must be a piece of my imaginationIn post 444, the worst wrote:I kinda want to post-by-post analyse why I am so confused anyone can read Moony right now but those analyses are really annoying and I think the most valid response would be, "ok"
@Junk what do you make of their unvote? How about the way Yyotta is prod-dodging through the game?
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I am a Power RoleIn post 508, the worst wrote:please fullclaim.In post 509, Junk wrote:Town Doctor103-11 0-2-
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So I'm not actually seeing the contradiction that you're trying to emphasize in 634. I might be missing context (tell me if I am) but YS seems to be embracing the scum read by calling it scummy, no?In post 797, GuiltyLion wrote:
I'm not scum, which is the most important reason.In post 795, u r a person 2 wrote:Hey GL, I think I'm voting you here, mate. Any particular reason why I should be town reading you?
VOTE: guilty lion
I'm more interested in why you're townreading YellowSnow. What in his play says town to you? What's your response to my 307 or 634?
As to 307, I don't think what you bring up are outside of his town range. Have you breezed through 1906? You should.
I've also got a post that shows I think a decent town-indicative post from YS
and I buy his dumbtells (again, bad name) over the last few pages. Especially the one about where the claim came.
We can keep discussing this, and I want to! But I also want you to give me a real answer about why I should be town reading you.103-11 0-2-
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I'm glad you'll look through it. Keep in mind that I'm not arguing that YS is town based on meta. I'm arguing that YS behavior that would be scum-indicative for your average player is not outside of YS's town range.In post 803, GuiltyLion wrote:I'll look through 1906 but I really don't believe in using one game for meta. the worst said something similar, but if you haven't seen Yellow's scumgame then there's never a safe reason to assume this is his town game based on old town games.
I also don't buy the dumbtells. He posted at end of D1 responding to discussion about claims/PRs, that suggests to me that he did see the doc claim.
as for why you should be townreading me, I don't really believe in towncasing myself? It should be evident I'm not working with anyone and I'm trying to solve the game. If you're not able to see that and you have specific issues/questions about my play then I can try to show you, but you're also not really vocalizing why you think I'm scum so I don't have a starting point to work with.
Could you point me to those posts about pr's and claims and what not? that's a big deal.
My scum read on you is mostly poe, which is why I wanted to just ask generally like that. That's fine, though. I respect not wanting to do self-meta.103-11 0-2-
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Guys, I don't want to be that guy but I'm going to be that guy because I want the style points later which I guess actually just makes me that guy.
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GrandWazoo - town for the entire early game. Frustrated with lurkers, highly active, no charisma or pocket attempts. This is town.
Yellow Snow - Town for that set of posts I discussed earlier where he declined to vote for my slot. Also all of the dum- let's call them uninformed-tells
JunkoChan - Overall towny game. Do I need to case this one out? I think Junko is pretty universally town read.
Brass Herald - Town for his entrance, which was obv-town. Asking questions, engaging TW, frustration at the state of the wagons when he entered.
Which leaves us Junk, who you guys all correctly scum read so well that his partner bussed him before the replacement
and who then fake claimed doctor, likely at the advice of his well experienced partner
Guilty lion who I think played pretty well. poe is a cruel mistress.
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talk to me about your GL town read? Could he not be with junk?In post 805, brassherald wrote:I don't like GL as scum, the more I think about it. I think he is correct, he's not working with anyone.
And, I guess a town cop and two goon setup is legit, in my inability to read simple charts I missed that cop can be alone. And, if there were two goons, doctor would be an even safer claim by someone who is clearly experienced. I think that my Junk lock town needs to be revoked because it's just not true.103-11 0-2-
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could you clarify this pleaseIn post 823, GrandWazoo wrote:but you first have to believe that scum townread both TW and Junk,103-11 0-2-
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because in the world that junk is the doctor, we're in the first setup column. Scum wouldn't have known if there was a cop or a jail keeper, so they wouldn't risk having the jailkeeper save the claimed doctor.
instead, they would roleblock and kill outside
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I'm not buying scum!GW and his partner correctly reading the setup chart and making the correct nk and rb and then coming into the thread and forcefully and repeatedly arguing his recent position on junk even through others discussion of this very point.In post 833, JunkoChan wrote:missclicked before editing, could you elaborate on this URAP2?
"GW is town here specially if you believe junk's claim"
I'm also not buying that scum!GW acts this way in relation to his partner scum!junk after having correctly made the fake claim.
So I wasn't thinking right when I said "especially if you believe junk's claim" because I just think GW is town here regardless.103-11 0-2-
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This would cause me, if I were YS, to examine the setup. I'm not sure that this in itself shows that YS understood the setup.In post 864, GuiltyLion wrote:Junko explicitly said doctor or another PR which was in response to Junk claiming doctor. and Yellow was present in the thread at the time
Regardless, I hope you're correct about scum!YS. I'd like you to be town.
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I hear you Junko, but he replaced in at L-1 so either
his partner could have already worked out the best claim strat for him and had it in scum chat waiting for the replacement
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he could have worked out the best strat when he was entering the thread in case he couldn't get out of it.
He didn't have to think it up on the spot.103-11 0-2-
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I didn't mean to confuse you. I'm scum reading you both by poe. I think I've made that clear.In post 908, GuiltyLion wrote:
ofc I'm willing to engage, I'm hereIn post 887, u r a person 2 wrote:how much time do we have? give him a lot of it. If he's willing to engage, I'd still like to talk to GL for a bit pre lynch
I really don't know why we're not seeing eye to eye on Yellow. You seem to be scumreading me mostly because I'm the only person who makes sense with Junk. I would say that's stronger evidence for town!Junk than it is scum!me
I'm not sure why we're not seeing eye to eye on YS. You said that you didn't believe his uninformed-tells because of the pr discussion, but I don't see why those comments require YS to understand the setup. All YS would have to know to understand that comment is that this game has PRs and doctor could be one. Further, I don't see scum!YS backing off of a moony vote early d1. I know this argument isn't super convincing for you because you don't know that I'm town, but it is for me.
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please clarify this for me, BH. I'm not sure that I followIn post 909, brassherald wrote:
This is the exact logic that is making me think it's YellowSnowIn post 908, GuiltyLion wrote:
ofc I'm willing to engage, I'm hereIn post 887, u r a person 2 wrote:how much time do we have? give him a lot of it. If he's willing to engage, I'd still like to talk to GL for a bit pre lynch
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referring to this missed the new pagesIn post 924, brassherald wrote:
That junk is scum with both myself and Guilty Lion and the setup is invalid because of that?In post 923, YellowSnow wrote:I have more town equity than junk and I think almost anyone here that's not on my top 3 would agree. The failure of bh and gl to scumread junk just confirms my worldview.103-11 0-2