Newbie 1913 - game over!!

[YellowSnow]

VOTE: xwing
For not including a dash in his username.

[YellowSnow]

VOTE: volsen for thinking green is better than yellow. Sacrelidge.

[YellowSnow]

This is page 2 what are you expecting?

[YellowSnow]

I don't think scum are more paranoid than townies. Townies think everyone could be scum, scum know who is scum.

[YellowSnow]

Depends on the player. I tend to not filter regardless.

[YellowSnow]

I find it unlikely that players would admit to liking to play scum. Being a dangerous scum player would increase the likelyhood of being lynched on that basis alone.

[YellowSnow]

[snip]
VOTE: brass
let's wagon the IC..

Why vote for Brass and put him at three votes (L-2) on the second page of the game? Just because he is the IC?

why not? also, the second question is meeeeeeeh..

Also, why the townlean for DoubtingThomas specifically? Do you feel he is more eager to solve the game than everyone else who has posted so far?

at that point, yes

"Let's wagon the IC" has similar meaning to "Let's lynch the IC" which implies that you want at least one more person after you to lynch the IC which would put them in L-1.

VOTE: xwing

(Also, one more question, if you think that was reachy why didn't you vote me or try to apply pressure. you've just seen something that you deem as scummy. are you going to let it get away!!)

wagoning does not equate to lynch..did i say that anywhere or are you purposely misrepping me?
i said it was reachy, i didnt say it was scummy..what kind of cases do you expect by page 2?

I find it unlikely that players would admit to liking to play scum. Being a dangerous scum player would increase the likelyhood of being lynched on that basis alone.

i think this is a case to case basis, i know people who will outright say they enjoy playing scum..but that's not alignment indicative (NAI) at all..i prefer playing VT as well..

Show me the last player in a completed game to say that.

[YellowSnow]

@xwing you know what they say about opinions.

[YellowSnow]

it's a placeholder so he can do his votecount.

[YellowSnow]

Nope, I'm just saying I don't believe brass saying he prefers town means that much given what the expected answer is.

[YellowSnow]

@Tall1s: Who do you think is scummy and why? Who do you think is towny?Kind of early so we know you don't have lots to go on but early feelings count too.

[YellowSnow]

If you are town you answer those questions honestly usually.

If you are scum you answer in an effort to try and get town lynched and scum not lynched, while at the same time trying to look town.

[YellowSnow]

Town tactics:
Scumhunting: Trying to figure out who the scum are through questions and reasoning.
Townhunting: Trying to figure out who the town are through questions and reasoning.
Wagoning: Voting on someone who someone else has voted on to get closer to a lynch.
Counterwagoning: Starting a new wagon different than one that's already formed.
Tunneling: Focusing on just one person to lynch and not looking at other potential scum.
Walling: Posting a very large posts with different quotes to show your logic someone is scum.

Scum tactics:
WIFOM: Wine in front of me. Asking the "what would scum do in this situation" question when scum may be dileberatly trying to avoid looking like scum.
OMGUS: Voting for someone for retalitory reasons only.
Bussing/Distancing: Attacking your scumbuddy to look town.
Whiteknighting: Praising town players to look town yourself.

There's lots of other strategies but those are some basics.

[YellowSnow]

Only if you are town.

-1 BrassHerald for making presumed town statements.

[YellowSnow]

That's one player. That hardly makes it common or the expected answer.

[YellowSnow]

My point is that answering that question is like answering when people ask "are you town" at the beginning of the game.

[YellowSnow]

I'm not saying it's an important discussion, I'm just giving my opinion and feel my position is the right one. I appreciate your town lean though.

[YellowSnow]

between roo and brass I like the roo wagon better. At least brass has been helpful.

VOTE: roo

[YellowSnow]

I don't feel comfortable lynching the IC on the first day unless they make a major blunder, let's put it that way.

[YellowSnow]

The IC could help other new players perform better and help town win the game.

[YellowSnow]

I never said I had a problem voting him later on.

[YellowSnow]

Town of Salem is a chat based mafia game with about 30 minute games.

[YellowSnow]

@yellow:
okay..but we do have SEs who can help out with this as well..so that shouldn't be so concerning? besides, day1 lasts like 10 days so the IC can dish out a lot of info by then, dont you think?

Maybe I just consider myself a reasonably nice guy. The IC is doing the game a favor, I think I can do him a favor by not lyching him the first sign of trouble.

[YellowSnow]

@yellowsnow did you know that your vote put me at L-1? And do you have any reads at this point?

Yes, I knew. I thought that was allowed. I put my vote on who I think is scum. I've given plenty of reads.

[YellowSnow]

For the record I think it's possible there may be scum on Roo's wagon. It's not me, but if had to guess I'd say l84 or Saint based on wagon position. I still think Roo is more likely scum than either though.

[YellowSnow]

I don't think it's brass because scum are more likely to be wagon followers than starters in my experience.

I feel like Roo is trying to active lurk through day 1.

[YellowSnow]

@xwing: which post?

[YellowSnow]

@xwing: which post?

excerpt from DT's post 186:
I am a pretty good wolf. Compared to my town game, I am a really good wolf. I have a pretty good win record as wolf (6-2? ish) and I have almost never been mislynched as a wolf (although I have been n1 vigged by towns two times by people who know my meta well)

How is this claiming scum?

[YellowSnow]

@yellow: DT has now openly claimed he's good as scum..soooo what do you think about that?
@brass: well dt did make a good point..why am i town?[/quote]

[YellowSnow]

Sorry I misread your post. There's nothing wrong with saying you are good as scum, it's just not often done.

[YellowSnow]

Brass said something similar about not liking to take a lot of time reading/casing in the last game i played with him so I am actually leaning town for him.

[YellowSnow]

[Quote="brassherald"]My time is valuable, I'm not getting any of the time I spend building a case and then getting lolhammered by scum back before I die. I don't understand why more people don't value their own time the way I do.[/vote]

Since I saw this in two different games I'm going to assume that it is genuine and not faked.

[YellowSnow]

I'm not going to reply because I've been voted on. Ask nicely and maybe I'll respond.

[YellowSnow]

Which questions?

[YellowSnow]

I'm working. So it may be a couple days to get in depth reads. But in general I like Brass and xwing as town and you as scum.

[YellowSnow]

Nope, I haven't had the time for it, you've avoided posting altogether for a good portion of day 1.

[YellowSnow]

I don't care if I'm lynched. I'm pretty sure there is scum on my wagon so town wins either way. I'll get a reads list done tomorrow.

[YellowSnow]

You don't think it's possible this is an I'll advised wagon?

[YellowSnow]

Because I don't defend myself against awful wagons.

[YellowSnow]

I'm being scumread because I'm busy and don't have the same amount of time everyone else has evidently. Also I was signed up for a game I didn't intend to sign up for.

[YellowSnow]

I'm not pocketing brass. I'm just town reading him because I've played with him and he is playing similarly.

[YellowSnow]

Honestly there's several pages of the game I haven't read.

[YellowSnow]

Yes tomorrow.

[YellowSnow]

hearthstone1235 - town, feel like he is actively sorting
YellowSnow - I know I'm town

L84Dnr - Scum for his spot on the Roo wagon and immediately voting me instead of asking questions.

DoubtingThomas - Looks town although he could be using large posts as a scum tactic.

Roo - Scum for active lurking and not really sorting.

SaintAngelDFE - null

volxen - started a little scummy but looks more towny now.
xwing - looks like he is sorting and town
brassherald - Took some flack but looks town based on a previous game I played with him.

[YellowSnow]

SInce the roo wagon deflated lets...

VOTE: L84Dnr

[YellowSnow]

So evidently anything that you declare "standard practice" isn't scummy. That's not much of an answer. You seem like a very reactive player and that oozes scum. You're not actively sorting just trying to blend in with others who are sorting.

[YellowSnow]

The difference is I am actually isoing you. You voted me without any intention of wanting to sort me. Also my mind is not made up and I am talking to you right now. Also I am not trying to misrep you.

[YellowSnow]

Voting the mod seemed juvinille even as a joke.

[YellowSnow]

The fact that you are looking at votes as harming a player rather than the team as a whole is concerning.l

Expanding on my reasons for scum reading you does not at all mean my reasons are made up.

[YellowSnow]

You have a complete inability to address what I actually said.

[YellowSnow]

Why would you be okay with my lynch if you don't know if my behavior is town or scum indicative? You sound way more defeatist than me at this point.

[YellowSnow]

I would be willing to switch to saint for the purposes of avoiding a town lynch(me) but I really think l8 is scum.

[YellowSnow]

Absolutely to lynch scum over town.

[YellowSnow]

He's not sorting he's just trying to discredit me with misreps.

[YellowSnow]

And now he's playing dumb.

[YellowSnow]

I did, iso me and you can see where I said you misrepped me.

You're focusing on selective posts you think will incriminate me rather than looking at my whole body of work because you know you're scum and I'm town.

[YellowSnow]

wagon l8 or saint pls.

[YellowSnow]

I am vanilla town.

[YellowSnow]

VOTE: Saint

[YellowSnow]

So you're going to let Saint's lack of activity cause you to lynch a town player?

[YellowSnow]

In this case I disagree on a lynch being better than a no lynch. I think we are narrowing down who the scum are and can afford one no lynch and I can be a valuable player.

[YellowSnow]

I think you know from our newbie game that I am not a town liability in normal circumstances.

[YellowSnow]

I mean I have't been as active as normal this game due to RL.

[YellowSnow]

brass and I were town teammates and while we lost the game due to an excellent scum team we both played pretty well.

[YellowSnow]

Yep l8.

[YellowSnow]

So basically you're saying I don't add greater than 10 percent value to our win chances. Understood. No offense taken.

[YellowSnow]

That's because I don't believe anyone is actually going to change their minds. Once I flip town my reads hopefully will be the basis for the next lynch.

[YellowSnow]

He's scummy because he's not scumhunting he's just trying to fit in.

[YellowSnow]

Beecause of his position on his wagons and his focusing on low hanging fruit.