Newbie 1928 - The Climax - Game Over

[Formerfish]

oh

i see

VOTE: formerfish

'sup

OMGUS VOTE: RC

Are you town this game or do I need to put my dancing shoes on?

[Formerfish]

i am not town this game

i am survivor

That's close enough. Wanna help me find the scumbags and watch them swing with me?

[Formerfish]

i am not town this game

i am survivor

That's close enough. Wanna help me find the scumbags and watch them swing with me?

I don't think Rc wants to, maybe RC just wants to live.

Do you have a habit of answering posts directly addressed to people other than yourself?

[Formerfish]

VOTE: redemption

i don't think that's how a villager would deny it

guess you're just a scumbag >_>

I tried to play honest, doesn't work too well I see. In any case I understand your decision.


You're right. I am a scumbag. That's why I called myself Redemption X)

I can spot the flaw in your statement from a mile away. Smells scummy to me.

[Formerfish]

formerfish did you roll scum?

Nah, no scum here boss.

[Formerfish]

Test :

VOTE: VOTE: ZestOfLife

Do you need assistance?

[Formerfish]

You sure? Because I feel like you're scum

Maybe you misread your role pm

Quite sure I am town. I have a high literacy level and things like that don't get by me.

Are you sure you're scum reading me and not just misreading my jocular play at the moment?

[Formerfish]

Getting scum vibes from Formerfish

Oh yeah? Go ahead and vot... wait what? His vote was already on me? That's awful convenient that his rvs vote turned into a real vote.

[Formerfish]

i think

formerfish had the misfortunate to roll wolf

i'm sorry that this happened to you, friend.

Then it looks like we need to dance early to help you see correctly. Unless you're just scum and this is how you're trying to get rid of me. Or maybe you don't mind pigeonholing people as much as you mind when it happens to you, but sure trust the read you somehow got in the first 3 pages and go with that.

[Formerfish]

I agree tbh. I tend not to place much weight on initial reads but Formerfish is really standing out to me right now

It's just my pheromones, don't let that intimidate you, unless you're scum, then you can be intimidated.

[Formerfish]

@Formerfish how did you turn yourself into something that's not a fish?

How does an answer to this question help you figure out if I'm town or scum?

What do you think I'm going to answer with that I was put into witness protection after flipping on my bosses and becoming a stoolie?

[Formerfish]

Alright RC, we need to dance. So clear your card and let me take advantage of the two for one special going right now.

[Formerfish]

[Formerfish]

DANCING IS PROHIBITED IN THIS SHOW!

[Formerfish]

meh

a.k.a.

[Formerfish]

more blank.

I dunno what to tell you, all of them have shown up in my thread. Are you somewhere outside the US?

[Formerfish]

VOTE: RC

I dunno how else to get your attention. If you feel like playing this game let me know and we can have that dance we need to.

[Formerfish]

Ii have the most posts the inactivity isn't on me.

Others inactivity has nothing to do with you not talking to me.

[Formerfish]

And you always have high post counts. It's because you usually post one thought in each post. I'm sure if we looked at your posts 21 of the 22 you have are fluff.

[Formerfish]

You could start by telling me if your scummy read of me is legit or if you are using me as bait to suss out others alignment.

[Formerfish]

It's legit. But if it's wrong and I change my mind I'll say it was fake.

Then I can't work with you. I'm town, so if you're using the tell you think you have on me it's not a reliable tell.

If you are town you should be more willing to work with me as you know I am of use to town no matter what. You seem to be treating me like how you complain about how people treat you. This kinda leads me to think you aren't town.

Let's try this. What do you think of redemption?

[Formerfish]

Town and transparently so

Explain. I feel like he's setting up the makings of a 1v1 of me and ryno. I know my half of that equation and I don't sr ryno right now, so to me he is setting up 2 mislynches right now. Thoughts on that?

[Formerfish]

We really need the rest of the game to become active as well. We could be cutting our own throats here while scum isn't even posting.

Pedit- that's not a defense, that's a gamblers fallacy in reverse.

[Formerfish]

Yvotta is my non you scumread

Why?

And I'll point this out now, even in the game where you legit called me out as scum you didn't treat me like this. It feels a little overzealous. If you aren't scum I'd hope that this would be a game where you realize you can't read me as well as you'd like to think. Then I remember who I'm talking about and that you wouldn't care.

[Formerfish]

In the game I called you scum correctly I essentially refused to engage you and just reiterated no you're scum no you're scum until you gave up and lurked. I don't see how you can call me overzealous in this game when I've made little to no effort to actually push your lynch through.

I guess I see someone sticking to a scumreading made on page 2 as being overzealous. The fact that you aren't pushing my lynch doesn't make it better, makes it worse.

[Formerfish]

And you didn't answer about your Yvotta read.

[Formerfish]

I have other priorities. I'll properly engage this game tomorrow.

Be glad to have ya

[Formerfish]

*silence*

You could talk to fight back against that silence.

What do you think about RC obvtowning Redemption?

How do you feel about the 1v1 that Redemption is setting up?

What do you think about the interactions between RC and me?

If the game is dragging people just need to post. Post about things you see in game. Post about thoughts you have about the state of the game. That's the point of this game and this queue specifically.

This is especially true for the newbies who are still trying to figure out the game and how to best play. Just post. If you are town don't let scum hide in silence, force them to interact or risk outing themselves by not.

[Formerfish]

Zest is the only player who looks like they flaked.

Salad, Noodle, Ryno and Over all have signed into the site in the last day or so.

We could get moving if people actually wanted to play the game we have going on in this thread.

The holiday is over. The Bunny is back in hell where he belongs. Let's play the fucking game?

[Formerfish]

I suggest that we cancel the game and transfer it into the "experienced player" one. This way we can be sure that we have an active, experienced and committed playerbase. Unless it is a recurrent problem in the website over all idk.

What do you think about that Smith?

The point of this queue is to teach people how to play the game. What does anyone gain from taking it out of the newbie queue and letting vets play?

We have replacements coming in, which can be an issue on site but it's the nature of the beast, so why not let the replacements get settled and we start from there? Seems like a better idea than pulling the pin on a grenade.

[Formerfish]

Yyotta, it's Pink Floyd's Is there anybody out there, just in case it doesn't show.

[Formerfish]

On the other hand, Fish seems to overreact quite a bit here

I have an issue with people who are saying I am overreacting. I think that the argument itself is a baseless one and way to open to interpretation. What is an overreaction to someone calling you something you aren't? Do I ignore them knowing that I'm town? Do I push back against them because they are either scum or misdirected town?

I feel like to matter how I respond to things now it will just play into that narrative that people have created around me.

Thats why I'm trying to engage people about things other than their reads on me directly.

[Formerfish]

I don't see any issue with making an RVS vote, then later deciding that the very same person is scummy. RVS is, by definition, arbitrary.

Youve said i come off weird and scummy. What about my posting can you point to as supporting evidence for the description you have provided for me? I think thats what people are getting to is that they are having a hard time seeing your read progression on me because there isnt any.

[Formerfish]

Fish you really are a very unique person and that's why you stand out as scum to me

Have you played with me? Have you ever seen me play? Have you even really given this game a chance to start before you came to a conclusion that you cant support but you want other people to believe in because its the only thing you are really talking about.

Hell, how do you give RC a pass when he has basically been avoiding this thread while playing everywhere else on site? I have been trying to engage those who are reading me as scum right now to see why they feel that way.

Your reads make no sense and they arent backed by anything that youve shown. Do you have reasons for any of your reads, or are they all gut?

[Formerfish]

If the others cant see it then idk what to say

That maybe your skills as a scumhunter need work and youve read me wrong here? That could be it.

[Formerfish]

Just... calm... down...

Why are you telling me to calm down? Am I yelling? Am I cussing up an incoherent storm? I feel like I'm calmly playing the game with someone who has read me wrong. Now I need to figure out if your shit town, or scum playing the game.

[Formerfish]

Fish absolutely SCREAMS 'scum acting town leader' to me

Could you elaborate? Example of posts where he acts so would be nice.

It's the hyper

aggression

and

boldness

. I'll draw up some posts

Are the bolded traits alignment indicative?

[Formerfish]

It's like you're hyper aggressive, beyond the point of all rationality, so you just fire things out there almost at random

This is a playstyle issue, not an alignment issue. I play the same as scum and town. Its kind of a poke the bear and see what happens kind of approach.

[Formerfish]

These are a few things that stick out to me, but practically all his posts smell scummy to me.

'Then it looks like we need to dance early to help you see correctly. Unless you're just scum and this is how you're trying to get rid of me. Or maybe you don't mind pigeonholing people as much as you mind when it happens to you, but sure trust the read you somehow got in the first 3 pages and go with that.'

'You could start by telling me if your scummy read of me is legit or if you are using me as bait to suss out others alignment.'

'Then I can't work with you.'

'Let's try this. What do you think of redemption?'

'Let's play the fucking game?'

'And I'll point this out now, even in the game where you legit called me out as scum you didn't treat me like this. It feels a little overzealous. If you aren't scum I'd hope that this would be a game where you realize you can't read me as well as you'd like to think. Then I remember who I'm talking about and that you wouldn't care.'

'Now I need to figure out if your shit town, or scum playing the game.'

I don't mean this to be personal but Fish is brash. He speaks in absolutes, and the vast majority of his posts are him trying to force the conversation down his own paths. He is trying VERY HARD to seem like he is scumhunting. It's all so over the top that it feels forced. Sure, maybe he's just 'like this' in every game but I haven't researched him or anything. Plus, he tends to, yes, overreact...

'What is an overreaction to someone calling you something you aren't?'

What about any of these point to me being scum? All you did was pull quotes out of my posts and said these look scummy. Where is the analysis? Where are the reasons that you feel those things are scummy? If its just gut, then say that.

[Formerfish]

'This is a playstyle issue, not an alignment issue.'

Playstyle is all we have to go on

You dont lynch off play style, if thats all you have then you need to dig deeper and actually find scum, not stick on the first person that sticks out.

[Formerfish]

Ryno, have you looked at any of my past town games? Like any of them?

[Formerfish]

You're ignoring the paragraph where I explain it all

No i didnt ignore it, I didnt feel like it explained why my posts are scum. I felt like you are giving a superficial look at my post and are making a snap judgement based off things that are not AI, yet you are somehow making them seem so.

Other than me, you have redemption as scum right?

[Formerfish]

Ryno, have you looked at any of my past town games? Like any of them?

Uhhh no. Why would I?

Because you are making a case based off playstyle and not substance. If you wanted to do the work you could dive into my iso and show how I only act the way you say as scum. However, if you took a look and saw that this is how my town play goes as well then your argument would be shot.

Much easier to ignore the years of games and meta on here to focus on your nonexistent read.

[Formerfish]

So you aren't arguing against my analysis, you're simply disregarding it?

How can I argue against something that doesnt exist?

[Formerfish]

Chill out

This is the second time. Why do you feel like you need to keep doing this?

[Formerfish]

Yes, I have Redemption

So you think that Redemption and I are a team?

[Formerfish]

So you aren't arguing against my analysis, you're simply disregarding it?

How can I argue against something that doesnt exist?

It literally does exist, there's a section explaining my thoughts. You can pretend it doesn't exist or isn't important to you, but those are my thoughts. Valid or not.

If they lead you to believe Im scum then they are incorrect. I could spend time fighting you on your opinion, or I could keep looking for scum. Which do you want me to spend my time on?

[Formerfish]

Yes, I have Redemption

So you think that Redemption and I are a team?

Yes

So him calling me out as scum, and me doing the same to him is cross bussing on day 1 with no reason for either of us to do so right now?

Redemption setting up a 1v1 of you and me is something I would let my partner do, knowing that your town flip would be my scum death?

You think that me going to Redemption is scum theater for everyone elses benefit?

[Formerfish]

You're kinda funny

Youre dismissive.

[Formerfish]

more nuanced than that

So much so that he cant even explain it himself!

[Formerfish]

No way am I dismissive hahaha. You're very dismissive! I'm open to anything right now.

Then answer my questions starting back at 121 you know, where i tried to engage you in actual game play...

[Formerfish]

Yes, I have Redemption

So you think that Redemption and I are a team?

Yes

So him calling me out as scum, and me doing the same to him is cross bussing on day 1 with no reason for either of us to do so right now?

Redemption setting up a 1v1 of you and me is something I would let my partner do, knowing that your town flip would be my scum death?

You think that me going to Redemption is scum theater for everyone elses benefit?

Yes I believe that Redemption could be bussing you

Why on earth would I allow that to happen as scum this early in the game? How many games have you played so far?

[Formerfish]

No way am I dismissive hahaha. You're very dismissive! I'm open to anything right now.

I think refusing to admit your dismissive is the epitome of dismissive. The cogdis here is making my head hurt.

[Formerfish]

I've played 0 games.

For someone who hasnt played a game on here yet, you have a set of balls to call me bold and aggressive.

pedit- this is devolving into useless interactions between you and i. If you have anything legit to discuss I'll be here, but I wont be engaging in your circular discussions anymore.

[Formerfish]

Redemption scummy posts:

'I'd be stupid to say yes even if I was. So I'm straight up gonna say no.
I am not mafia.'

'Ikr, I'm gonna be ok with people lynching me just for that X)'

'I know that you guys suspect me because of my honesty and will probably be even more putting out that much theory so early in the game. Just know that I'm ok with it. I'm ok with the fact that it will put me in danger and cost me the game.'

Why are these scummy to you? Doing things like this only makes it so the people reading your quotes will pull out what they see as scummy and assume youre seeing the exact same thing. Not saying why you feel these posts are scummy absolves you of responsibility behind pointing them out because you can just slink away from anything that comes up by saying you saw different things.

[Formerfish]

I have nothing to say in response to 121

Being absolved of responsibility sounds great

Youre not cute. This isnt cute. This will get you hung. If you are scum, keep it up. If you arent then take my advice as an SE that you are going to see rope sooner than later playing like this.

[Formerfish]

Just trying to have some fun my friend

So avoiding someone asking you legit questions about the game and you ignoring/side stepping them is you "just trying to have some fun?"

[Formerfish]

How do you see this game being played if its not how Im playing it?

[Formerfish]

How do I get a read on you when you refuse to engage me in a good faith discussion about some aspect of the game?

[Formerfish]

I mean, having a sense of subtlety and delicacy is important as well as being very aggressive and loud

Again you are looking at a play style issue. You assume that loud and in your face is scum. Why? Why wouldnt i sit back and see what happens first, especially with how many people werent active, yourself included. You call me out for trying to lead town, well no one else was doing anything and we were still on the clock.

You are comfortable with a superficial read when you shouldnt be.

[Formerfish]

I've already said that aggressive does not necessarily equal scum, let's not repeat old arguments

Oh right,

You're misunderstanding me. It isn't 'aggression = scum'. It's the type of aggression, the way he acts. It's more nuanced than that.

, its my particular type of aggression, so nuanced.

[Formerfish]

Its perfectly posible that Fish is a scum who is trying to make newbie town be angry with him and act scummy. If you are objecting, that you are just defending yourself (to fish), you can't make three pages long dialog if you don't want to.make the dialog long.

You realize that you could be doing the same thing by jumping in against Ryno at the same time he and I are dancing, right?

[Formerfish]

I'm not going to talk about Fish any longer

You could talk about the 1v1 redemption was setting up between you and I.

Oh shit, thats right, you have nothing to say about that. Despite you being open to all possible scenarios, correct?

[Formerfish]

Nevertheless, I am trying to make Ryno (at least I hope I do) better formulate his thoughs and push the conservation forward.

Do you feel like we are working towards different goals right now? Most of my posting towards Ryno has been in an attempt to get him to discuss his reads, whether on me or not.

[Formerfish]

I guess you could say that his refusal to speak with you on things is worse because he could point to his sr of me as his reason for not wanting to engage. Why not engage with you a third party who he needs to read still?

[Formerfish]

Yyottacat is having issues btw, check her wiki page

Her page is empty.

What are you waiting on to get involved here? Its not like youve been offsite this whole time, when does this thread gain your attention?

[Formerfish]

You dont need to drive activity, you need to be active. Theres a difference.

[Formerfish]

Ok, lets talk about Ryno.

[Formerfish]

And how do you feel about Redemption voting Voted?

[Formerfish]

idk.

i can't force myself to engage this right now. i legit can't.

i'll try to force myself tomorrow.

You cant even answer a question? We have 2 days left in this phase bro, you arent giving me any reason not to push you outright today.

[Formerfish]

You have been playing in multiple games today. Why is this one the red headed step child?

[Formerfish]

too many null and inactive slots makes it impossible for me to get a coherent set of reads. i need associations from 9 people to 9 people to solve.

If you arent scum you are just creating an environment where they can hide more easily. Do you though.

[Formerfish]

townreading redemption

How about you at least move your vote off one of your townreads and on to someone you consider scum?

[Formerfish]

And how do you feel about Redemption voting Voted?

He has not voted against me?
He made "test vote" against ZoL.

His vote on Zol still counts on you, you hold the slot.

[Formerfish]

Voted, you have been at l-2 since you replaced in. Havent you looked at a vote count?

[Formerfish]

My behaviour is not the reason why redemption votes me. Its because of ZoL's behaviour. So I find more logical asking why he votes against ZoL rather that why he votes against Voted.

Nevermind, Redemption hasnt been on to change his vote. I do see what youre saying though, RC saying he has a tr on you oculd mean that he had a tr on ZoL and therefore the question would be more valid towards RC.

[Formerfish]

Difference between your and mine interaction with Ryno is, that I was pointing out things, asking questions. You were, apart from that, making him lose temper. Its not super scummy, but I want to be pressuring you for that behaviour.

My behavior had nothing to do with the way Ryno acted. I wasnt out of line with anything, I wasnt abusive or even insulting him. I was trying to play the game and he was refusing. I dislike you perpetuating the narrative that I was playing in some hyperbolic manner with the intent on tilting Ryno, I was engaging him in normal game play here and he balked.

[Formerfish]

In fact, Ryno was the one tone checking me multiple times during that exchange and there was no need for it. I dont like being gas lit like that at all, it is very scummy to me for someone to do that.

[Formerfish]

No offence Fish, but if you are representative of this community then I don't want to be a part of it. You're very rude. I've never played a game of online Mafia before and yet you continue to act without any sense of kindness or respect towards me.

All of your posts are ad hom attacks on me. And Ill say this again, I am not being mean (or any negative adjective you feel comfortable with me using here) to you in any way.

Just because you say that I am doesnt make it reality.

If you wanted to quote a post of mine and bold the part where you feel like im being abusive towards you I would be more than happy to review it and honestly talk to you about it.

However, I dont feel like you are being genuine. I feel like you are trying to use an appeal to emotion defense against me and are refusing to engage me on the game itself.

[Formerfish]

Ryno is a townread btw idk ehy I said otherwise.

I really need to get my mind in this

Just ignore him for now please

Ignore him? He has spent most of his time poking me and then telling me to calm down when I try to talk about reads with him and refuses to engage. What is town in that?

[Formerfish]

I genuinely cant believe what is happening

What exactly do you think is happening right now?

[Formerfish]

I brought up that I felt that the way you were treating me was wrong, and you dismissed it as a game move. That's very insensitive.

I've said that I dont agree that I have treated you any sort of way, and have invited you to quote any post you want me to explain or address. You choose to not do that and instead engage in AtE. I have played this game long enough to trust, but verify. So I am trusting that you feel a way, but I am verifying because Ive seen people do the exact thing you are as scum. Welcome to the game.

[Formerfish]

I'll take this page top to remind everyone that we have less than 2 1/2 days until deadline.

Our largest wagon, Voted, is at 3 votes (Over, Yyotta, Redemption) or (RVS, RVS, RVS).

Then we have 5 single votes and 1 vote holstered.

We need to start talking about who we would be ok with lynching here.

My votes go onto RC, Ryno, or Noodle.

Anyone wanna talk about this?

[Formerfish]

I have found in the past that usually people who are

overdefensive

are scum trying to overcompensate. So, FormerFish does read as scum for me.

Again with the idea that I've somehow overreacted to accusations of me being scum. Could you please quote me and show where you think I have done this? Also, you have me in 1v1s with both of your other scumspects, that doesnt make any sense.

[Formerfish]

Fish, why do you think that Redeption is town? He tried to 1v1 you and Ryno.

Are you asking this because I didnt include him in my list of who I would lynch today? I dont remember saying I tred Redemption.

[Formerfish]

Fish, why do you think that Redeption is town? He tried to 1v1 you and Ryno.

Are you asking this because I didnt include him in my list of who I would lynch today? I dont remember saying I tred Redemption.

Yep.

Please don't try to put words in my mouth. I dont tr Redemption, other people are just coming across more scummy to me than he is right now.

[Formerfish]

He tried to 1v1 you and Ryno.

I love how you bring this up like its been a thing when no one has wanted to discuss it or what it could mean as far as reads. I have been trying to talk about it but no one wants to dance with me.

[Formerfish]

Why is Noodle

so more

scummy than Redemption? They both haven't posted anything of values at all.

Also, dont try to quantify my reads please.

Right now I think that the way Noodle has handled being in the game looks more scummy than Redemption. Its mostly a gut thing with a little bit of a basis in a theory that may or may not be correct about newbie inactivity and replacing. At this point in time I feel like Noodle has higher scum equity.

[Formerfish]

Why is Noodle so more scummy than Redemption? They both haven't posted anything of values at all.

Redemption also hasnt really posted since the game took off, Noodle has. I didnt like what noodle had to say.

[Formerfish]

haven't posted anything of values at all.

And and, if we were going off this than I would have to be voting like 2/3's of the list.

[Formerfish]

Im confused, you quoted a post i made towards RC using it to support your idea about how i should feel about Redemption?

[Formerfish]

Or maybe not I really haven't read

Ill try soon I promise

Like how can I not see this as scum you not wanting to engage the game man? We have 2 days 8 hrs, and all we get from you is promises of future action. Where is the fire and brimstone you usually bring to games because you expect to die d1 or n1?

[Formerfish]

Im confused, you quoted a post i made towards RC using it to support your idea about how i should feel about Redemption?

Does the fact that you posted it towards RC devaluete it?
I have a feeling from the post that you think that Redemption's only read, his only contribution can be scummy. Did I misinterprete it?

I said that Redemption could be scum setting up a 1v1 on town me and someone I wasnt sring at the time. I now have a scumread on Ryno, so that kinda changes things doesnt it?

[Formerfish]

I think that the post implies that you are opened to accept possibility that Ryno is town. But then Redemption is your big suspect. You didn't post his name there. So you are almost certain that Ryno is scum? Then why post 3 names? That is what I don't like about the post.

I think what I said was that my read on Ryno evolved due to our interactions, and that new form changed the way I looked at things in the past involving him, including Redemption putting us in a 1v1, because now I can see scum in that 1v1 where before I didnt have a sr on Ryno.

You are putting a lot of effort into having me describe why I dont scumread one person over another. You arent saying anything really about the reads I have made, just the one you want me to make.

3 names were to show where I am willing to go to compromise on a lynch. I would like RC or Ryno first, but would settle for Noodle.

[Formerfish]

If Ryno is scum then Redemption is almost townlock, right?
So you want to lynch Ryno, if he posts good defence
RC if he posts good defence
Noodle.

If Ryno is scum, I think that Redemption town equity rises.

And no, its not reall about defenses to my pushes, its where I can get people on board. I can make a push on people all day, but this is a team game and it only matters what I can get support for.

RC is a strong player and if he is town would be good to have around. My sr of him is based on him not acting the way I think he should. Its not a deep case and I dont expect many people to follow me there yet. You yourself have said you dont like the idea of lynching an SE day 1.

Ryno is my next strongest lead and would like to see him hang. I feel like I have been laying the groundwork for a case against him with the interactions I sought out and were met with variying degrees of success. If people couldnt get behind my case on Ryno I would compromise and my 1st comp choice would be Noodle.

[Formerfish]

FFish, Please explain why I'd be a comp choice? Because of inactivity until now?

Ill give the cliff notes version.

I'll try and pop on when I can.

Hey, sorry for being so crazy late.

Your activity is part of it, but its also part how you went about your activity. If you are going to be inactive, own it and declare l/va. If you say you are going to pop in when you can I find it hard to believe that from Friday the 19th to Wednesday the 24th you had no time. And even after you showed back up and said you were going to read it took you a day to post, which is when we get your questions

Questions -
1. Are you new to Mafia? Have you played online before, or completely new to the game?
2. If you have played Mafia before, what roles do you like to play, which roles do you dislike? If you haven't played before, what roles do you like or dislike?
3. What type of hobbies do you have?

Random Question Stage is something that you could have done at the start of the game, if you had been playing, but at post 277 you are a bit late to the party.

There is plenty of content at this point that you could gleam information on and follow up on from there. Instead you ask random questions that most of the list hasnt given a shit about and you dont seem to care if people answer them or not.

Myself being guilty in this, I completely agree with you.

Posts like this just annoy me. Its like you are looking for a pat on the back for realizing that inactivtiy hurts town, and you are renouncing your prior hurtful ways.

Then you bandwagoning on me about my tone and level, and when I ask you to show where I have been defensive you end up agreeing with my posts in your spoiler... And none of what you quoted showed how I was being defensive.

Thats about it. For now.

[Formerfish]

Is there a reason for lynching me over someone who isn't active?

Yes.

[Formerfish]

No. They're inactive for a reason.

Do you know what that reason is? When you directed people to her wiki it was empty.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: YyottaCat

I would like to request we lynch YyottaCat, who has been inactive for a long time.

Gotta case? Or do you think that her being absent from the thread is damning enough? I mean, I'm down if you think you have the goods here. How sure are you of her being scum based on her activity?

[Formerfish]

Can you quote one post that makes you feel this way Ryno

Over, you good with him not responding to you at all here?

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Ryno

[Formerfish]

Over, you around?

[Formerfish]

VOTE: ZestOfLife Mafia has 5 letters and this is the first person gg ez one scum dead. EBWOP totally not post farming. just dont role scum ez. dont know if I like how Redpemption reacted there. I meant roll scum as in getting a scum rolecard. wolfy post. Yvotta explain me and RC reads, and ZestOfLife actually. I can see them and im not from US.

Yvotas reads are kind of trash not a fan of the ZOL or the RC reads as they arent explained well. Redemption and Yvotta are a possbile team here probably. Can you quote one post that makes you feel this way Ryno, inactive doesnt mean scum.

Your entire body of work. Weak srs on Redem and Yyotta, correct? Vote is on Voted still right?

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Redemption

ok

finally read the game properly

casing this asap

Wasn't he recently a TR of yours? What changed?

[Formerfish]

i had barely read the game.

That's fair. What are you seeing as scum worthy from that slot?

[Formerfish]

yes i don't think it's logic that would ever help me scumhunt.

Did you ever say why you were sring redem?

[Formerfish]

no.

I know.

What you basically did was call redeem scum and voted him, promising a case at some point. Then when someone else came in and was like, bro I see it too, look here for what I see as redem scum. And you were like whoa, icon is sring the guy I'm sring, Icon might be scum.

Doesn't make sense bro.

[Formerfish]

It reads as you not wanting to commit to your read on Redem. It couldn't have been a very good one if another person joining you caused that much paranoia.

[Formerfish]

I'm feeling you, Former.

Redemption/RC scumteam?

Or are you actually scumreading Ryno?

I don't know. I don't like the gaslighting and AtE, but he's new and could just be out if his depth.

RC could be, but I think that if he can be useful we have time to see what he is.

Redem is a possibility. What do you think about my Noodle case?

[Formerfish]

it reads as me struggling and failing to find my way into this game

I am trying to give you that in, but you are resistant to taking it for some reason.

[Formerfish]

Can we get a set of 3 people everyone wants to see swing right now?

It would help us get a handle on where people's heads are at for compromise lynches if no one can make a convincing enough case on one person.

[Formerfish]

Icon, you moved from Noodle to vote Redem didn't you?

Pedit- funny how?

[Formerfish]

I didn't move votes, it's my first vote.

Weren't you gonna hunt down whoever that the pagetop on P16?

Your predecessor voted him. It switched to you when you replaced in. I got it now.

And no. Pretty sure that was Voted.

[Formerfish]

Its night here. I am letting you spam your small talk till page 15. Then I am pushing lynch anyone who makes first post in page 16.

He can come at me if he wants to

[Formerfish]

'Compliments to you, RC'

This is the weirdest thing I've ever seen

We can agree on that at least.

[Formerfish]

I guess you can say that I scumread Ryno56 and FormerFish, but I still had no clue who to lynch since my early-day-unserious-lynch. I basically called out their odd behavior.

I don't understand. You think Ryno or I could be scum, so you vote for RC?

[Formerfish]

That was way back in the day, but now I saw what he tried to do and is my #1 suspect.

What do you think about RC now that I figured this out?

I'm having trouble trying to parse what you're saying. Also, so of your verbage doesn't match what I expect, like when you mention lynch sometimes I feel like you're talking about people's votes.

Can you outline how you go from "Bravo RC, good show indeed chap!" to "Off with 'is head!"?

[Formerfish]

Notice that I'm speaking in the past when I read one of you and Ryno as scum and complimented RC. I don't think much about it anymore. It's clear to me now what RC tried to do.

You haven't answered my question yet. What do you think about RC now?

You keep saying it's clear what RC tried to do, but I don't know what he tried to do that is so inflammatory in your opinion. I suppose that I might need you to expand on what you're saying so that I can see what your thoughts are on process is like.

I'm not being padantic at all with this question, but for the newbies, what is our ultimate goal and how do you plan to help achieve that goal?

Ryno, can I help you with quotes a little? It would make things easier for you to post and for us to read.

[Formerfish]

Redem, how about you give a reads list.

Go from who you see as most town and why to most scummy and why.

[Formerfish]

Sorry, I should be doing quotes properly. I'm new to this, hope that is okay with you guys

I was honestly offering to help you figure it out. There are a few tips and tricks that would do that.

[Formerfish]

Spoiler:

FFish, Please explain why I'd be a comp choice? Because of inactivity until now?

Ill give the cliff notes version.

I'll try and pop on when I can.

Hey, sorry for being so crazy late.

Your activity is part of it, but its also part how you went about your activity. If you are going to be inactive, own it and declare l/va. If you say you are going to pop in when you can I find it hard to believe that from Friday the 19th to Wednesday the 24th you had no time. And even after you showed back up and said you were going to read it took you a day to post, which is when we get your questions

Questions -
1. Are you new to Mafia? Have you played online before, or completely new to the game?
2. If you have played Mafia before, what roles do you like to play, which roles do you dislike? If you haven't played before, what roles do you like or dislike?
3. What type of hobbies do you have?

Random Question Stage is something that you could have done at the start of the game, if you had been playing, but at post 277 you are a bit late to the party.

There is plenty of content at this point that you could gleam information on and follow up on from there. Instead you ask random questions that most of the list hasnt given a shit about and you dont seem to care if people answer them or not.

Myself being guilty in this, I completely agree with you.

Posts like this just annoy me. Its like you are looking for a pat on the back for realizing that inactivtiy hurts town, and you are renouncing your prior hurtful ways.

Then you bandwagoning on me about my tone and level, and when I ask you to show where I have been defensive you end up agreeing with my posts in your spoiler... And none of what you quoted showed how I was being defensive.

Thats about it. For now.

No, I don't really give a shit if anyone answers questions or not. Just a poor attempt at people communicating to get other content besides you and Ryno in a pissing contest.
There is value to the people who have been participating, but there isn't any where people haven't. (obviously)

Sounds like you have a real problem... and are kind of a jerk because of it. Sorry you are the way you are and need to take it out on people.

I don't think I've tried to hide in any way, that I was inactive for a period. In fact, I've owned it. Somehow you have a problem with the fact that I have??? Not sure why it offends you so much that I'm now active. To me this is very interesting...

Here's an idea... if you are town... why don't you want to work with town to get a lynch? I was agreeing with your posts because I truly do think you brought up good points. Teamwork vs mework ; but if you are not wanting that.. that's fine and yet another reason why I think you are very scummy.

Being a jerk only gets you lynched. You seem scummy to me, because you've been a jerk and not really working with the town as a team trying to convince others why you believe otherwise. I understand you have been on the defensive, and that you take offense that I also have you as scum leaning. Bandwagoning... absolutely not.

Reading your messages, it's not difficult to see the tone and your defensiveness.

Hell, even your message screams "I'm attacking you for valid reasons, because I'm mad you think I'm scum leaning." If this isn't the case, then I'd like to hear more from you on this.

Yawn....

You asked why I was scumreading you. I gave you my case. You reply with how much of an asshole I am. I would love to work with town to secure a righteous lynch here. I would love it if anyone who acted remotely town would stick around and talk to me for a bit.

Instead I get Ryno, RC and you.

I have no way of setting a town block because I don't know or trust anyone here. I know RC, but his play is so erratic, purposefully, that I don't even really try to worry about my read on him til later, which is why I'm not pushing him. I don't like his reads though so I can't follow him. And no one really seems to care about cases so blah.

[Formerfish]

By the way. I'm done responding to people about how they perceive my play. If you have an issue with something I say take it up with the mod. Anyone pushing this further without any kind of supporting evidence will just be seen a fear monger and muckraker who needs rope.

I am not on tilt. I am not being defensive. This is me calmly playing this game. It could just be that I'm playing on a different level, which would make sense because I have a much better handle on the game and how to move it forward.

I don't know how to tell people they are adding tones where they're aren't any to my posts. Maybe that's internalization, or projection or something, but stop doing this. If you have a question about something I said or the way I said it, ask. Nail me down on my reads and my process so you Muppets can start seeing the reality of this game.

[Formerfish]

This is the last thing I'll say on the subject, since it isn't relevant to the game, but is helpful to Fish in his personal life. I understand that you're trying to play the game and you think we're opposing that, but that isn't how we see it. Your online posts carry a certain tone to them which comes in a very negative way. When three different people see you as being a jerk, but you see it as 'playing on a different level', then maybe you should think a little more about how you portray yourself.

Since it's not game relevant why don't we just save any interventions planned for me until after game?

The reason I don't like this is because it's not game relevant. Ryno, I plan on talking more with you after game because your alignment is going to matter to what I say. If you are scum then anything you do in game is done to achieve your wincon and will be chalked up to the game. If you are town then we'll have a different conversation.

You have to understand that if I dont read you as town then I'm going to be suspect of your motives and intentions behind things. It's literally the nature of the game.

I use a set of skills I've been working on for years to read people. It works to a varing degree of success. I do have success with it though.

The rest of this is for post game.

[Formerfish]

Offering me life advice is pandering as fuck. You dont know me at all and are in no position to judge me or offer me advice. Stick to the game.

[Formerfish]

When three different people see you as being a jerk

2 of those 3 could be scum pushing an agenda. And if 3 people think I'm scum why aren't they voting me? Where are the cases for me being scum that don't involve my tone? They don't exist. Show a scum mentality to any of my game actions and have people follow your case. Build it, maybe they'll come.

[Formerfish]

What I'm saying is that RC looks like scum because he is

lynching

Do you mean voting you here? Lynching is what happens when someone gets 5 votes, so far youve only been voted for, not lynched.

me thinking I'm scum at beginning of d1, then says I'm town but still keeps the

lynch

Vote?

, then doesn't talk so much afterwards and finally

pops up his old lynch

RC goes back to his scum read on you?

as if he never did it before and never explaining why he never did it. Doesn't that to you look like scum?

Ok, so beside the notes in the quote I made, let me see if I can figure this.

You want me to scum read RC because he voted you early on 37, then called you town 104246, and then says he finally read and votes you 347 and defends his read in 349?

RC might be scum here, but its not for that. Not at all.

[Formerfish]

Fish, you read Noodle and Ryno as scum.
RadiantCowbells, you read Noodle and Ryno as town.
I would love to see disccusion on this theme from you.

You ignored this.

I didnt ignore it, well maybe I did, but because I dont have an answer for you. RC and I are different players and have different experience and see things different ways. If we are both of the same alignment our paths will eventually align and we will have reads that are more in step.

[Formerfish]

Is there a reason for lynching me over someone who isn't active?

Then push sameone who isn't active.

VOTE: YyottaCat

I would like to request we lynch YyottaCat, who has been inactive for a long time.

Ryno, why are you trying to lynch an inactive player when you have other scumreads? Scumreads you are not pushing at all, not even voting?

That is my fault.

Its not your fault. You didnt make Ryno vote for Yyotta. Unless you are a master of mind control. What number am I thinking about right now?

[Formerfish]

I don't understand the thing about YyottaCat lurking. She was posting every day (same of her post were actually even samewhat constructive) until 22nd of April. Then she forget about this game existing. Is that scummy behaviour?

You replaced into a slot that went inactive. Are you scum because of that?

Activity doesnt change what role card went out to you.

[Formerfish]

Formerfish. About your behaviour. Can be (being overdefensive and/or agressive) and (refusing to admit it) taken as scum trait?

Thats a loaded question.

Have you stopped beating your wife?

[Formerfish]

666, 42 or 2. Not sure.

It was 7. Youre no master of the mystical arts.

[Formerfish]

Close enough, esl?

[Formerfish]

I don't understand the thing about YyottaCat lurking. She was posting every day (same of her post were actually even samewhat constructive) until 22nd of April. Then she forget about this game existing. Is that scummy behaviour?

You replaced into a slot that went inactive. Are you scum because of that?

Activity doesnt change what role card went out to you.

I am trying to defend Cat here, not push her?

The first post made it seem like you were questioning if her being inactive was scummy. It seems like that because you mention her posting and then her not and asking if its scummy.

That is a weird way to defend someone. Even if you take the last question as a sarcastic rhetorical one, it doesnt jive with how you framed the question.

[Formerfish]

Formerfish. About your behaviour. Can be (being overdefensive and/or agressive) and (refusing to admit it) taken as scum trait?

Thats a loaded question.

Have you stopped beating your wife?

I don't understand. Is this the responce to the question or a delay?

The question is framed in a way that is disingenuous. Hence why I called it a loaded question. If you wanted to rephrase I could see if you do better, but I wont be answering the question in its current form.

[Formerfish]

I don't understand the thing about YyottaCat lurking. She was posting every day (same of her post were actually even samewhat constructive) until 22nd of April. Then she forget about this game existing. Is that scummy behaviour?

I felt like this post was pushing Yyotta for a lynch.

It seemed like you were calling her not posting into question as being scummy.

Do you think Yyotta is town or scum?

[Formerfish]

If sameone is behaving agressively and then refuses to

admit they

behave that way, is it scummy behaviour?
If sameone is behaving overdefensively and then refuses to

admit they

behave that way, is it scummy behaviour?

Is it fair to add those words so that the questions make sense?

[Formerfish]

What is a loaded question? Lets find out

[Formerfish]

What is a loaded question? Lets find out

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

I thought that was going to the real wiki...

[Formerfish]

Have you stopped beating your wife?

I hate you.

Don't use well known logical fallacies to support your arguments.

[Formerfish]

And if I disagree on the premise of the question?

What you are saying is AI is not AI. It is a play style clash. I get that. There are plenty of people I don't get along with swimmingly in games and I have learned to work with that or even in spite of it.

[Formerfish]

If i disagree with something you say, thats all it is, a difference of opinion. Saying I dont admit im doing something emplies that Im doing the thing im accused of doing. If I dont feel like I am doing that, how do I react underdefensively if thats all people are talking about in regards to me.

Anyone wanna talk about my reads or my reasoning or do you all want to keep putting my character and behavior on trial?

[Formerfish]

I think the answer is more nuanced than a simple yes or no. I think that the situation in question would say a lot about the answer. In this situation the question is a nonstarter because the answer is NAI.

If i were on the hot seat and fucked up my claim and then went into overdrive to try and cover it up, that would be suspect.

Me poking people to see what happens and you guys not liking my tactics is not suspect.

Is anyone saying that my behavior is rising to reportable levels? <----- Legit question here

[Formerfish]

Anyone want to play with me without getting panties in a wad or being a total jerk? If not, I'll ask mod to replace me.

The game is based off paranoia and the fact that scum have an advantage over us.

That means that people are going to disagree. What we need to figure out is the motivation behind peoples actions. Sometimes that is going to put you at odds with people.

I want to make a request that in the future and posts like this one, and it hasnt just been you, are made with quotes of posts that support their position.

I dont know what or who would have made you react like this. If you cant play the game then i do suggest giving up the slot for someone who can. I would like you to play though, but that requires you to do a bit more.

[Formerfish]

UNVOTE:

Why?

Which town role are you?

Is there a reason for lynching me over someone who isn't active?

How long will these issues persist?

Is there someone you'd rather lynch in their place?

I like these questions.

Why? Where is your analysis of these posts and what it means for his alignment? What about these make him come across as town? We need more meat, not just the bones.

[Formerfish]

These are the same questions I would ask. Constructive questions.

I think we have different definitions of constructive.

RCs unvote was explained by RC himself.

Asking about his role was an inevitability because he is at l-1 and someone gave intent.

Asking why its not kosher to go after someone who cant defend themselves, or you know claim, before we lynched them is not a constructive question, unless you mean it shows a scum mentality on Rynos part.

And asking RC who he wants to lynch isnt very constructive. RC has admitted he doesnt have a good grasp on the game yet, so why ask the guy who is unsure who he wants to lynch. Did RC reply? Did Ryno follow up on those hard hitting questions to get the answers we deserve?

[Formerfish]

These are the same questions I would ask. Constructive questions.

You mean regarding FFs question?

No, no he doesnt.

[Formerfish]

Btw

Ryno/RC/Noodle/Voted townblock

Bro are we reading the same game?

Ryno and Noodle have no business near a town block, and you are not a town leader in place to set one.

[Formerfish]

The only people I feel relatively comfortable calling town right now are Icon and Voted.

[Formerfish]

It's okay. I'll shine the light down on this game tonight. Promise.

it reads as me struggling and failing to find my way into this game

i'll do it later.

casing this asap

Ill try soon I promise

I'll be here soon

I really need to get my mind in this

i can't force myself to engage this right now

almost all of the slots aren't playing. we need to get replacements and such.

When we have inactives you want to wait until they get replaced. When people are active you cant bring yourself to get involved. Yet you have some steadfast reads somehow.
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[Formerfish]

It's okay. I'll shine the light down on this game tonight. Promise.

it reads as me struggling and failing to find my way into this game

i'll do it later.

casing this asap

Ill try soon I promise

I'll be here soon

I really need to get my mind in this

i can't force myself to engage this right now

almost all of the slots aren't playing. we need to get replacements and such.

When we have inactives you want to wait until they get replaced. When people are active you cant bring yourself to get involved. Yet you have some steadfast reads somehow.

[Formerfish]

I promised this time



I finally have something I believe in and am willing to hard push

Is it me? I feel like this is going to be a me thing here.

[Formerfish]

Yes it is and I note that you started discrediting me as soon as you saw it coming.

I was joking. If you feel like you have a case on me, go for it.

Why didnt we get the Redem case that was promised though?

[Formerfish]

Because I changed my mind on him being scum

Ok good deal.

Im looking forward to this. Either youre scum here and what you say wont matter, or youre town and this is the last game you get to use any sort of tell against me. Dont get hurt falling of the horse youre on, it looks high.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: RC

Lets 1v1 this right.

[Formerfish]

Leggo

VOTE: FF

Cool. Do you wanna do the whole thing, or do you want me to get to the end where I just beat you?

[Formerfish]

That's a really strange confidence for you to have if you're town who thinks that I'm scum

I mean, if it is coming down to a 1v1 of you and me I have info on my side that tells me I'm town. So, yeah, I know that 1 of 2 things is happening here with you.

[Formerfish]

Either you are scum pushing my mislynch, or bad town relying on an unreliable tell.

If you are scum im good with this. If you are town i'm still good with this becuase itll take you down a peg.

[Formerfish]

Nah. Its really not. Keep pushing that though. Looks like its been really effective so far.

[Formerfish]

Why are you arguing about the effectiveness of my push on you as opposed to whether I or you are scum?

You've said I'm scum. I say I'm not. We have nothing else to go off of right now so it depends on what you can get across to other people. I dont need to believe in your scum read, I know it's wrong.

[Formerfish]

I've been saying for awhile this isn't your town game. You say it is. Same boat, different oars.

[Formerfish]

Who's my partner RC? Gotten that far yet, or just working on one mislynch at a time?

[Formerfish]

you did keep saying that i was potentially scum for my lack of investment in the game. you never once moved to follow up on it and were fine with me leading lynches a la on redemption until my focus moved to you.

How have I been treating you the last few games we've been in together? I've been ignoring my instinct to go after you because I don't think your play is conducive to good town play sometimes because I know that if you are town you are useful.

So for day 1s with you I kinda ignore you until I have more to go off of. Here you have been drastically different from what I'd expect if you were town, so I'm reading your in Accord with how I think town you would act.

I said you were my first choice today, but felt like that wouldn't get support, so I went to my 2nd choice, ryno. He was actively engaging with me in a way you were avoiding me.

If you're a valid lynch today then let's go cowboy.

[Formerfish]

i really don't understand why you scumread here contrasted with our recent game where i was scum and got universally townread and played town leader all game.

If you don't understand how me getting a read on you here is different from where I replaced into a nightless (basically) mountainous (mostly) game on day 4 with 300 pages that I admitted I wasn't going to read then I don't know how to explain the difference. I replaced into that game so it didn't die.

[Formerfish]

A game where I was town, you were scum. You sat out when people went at me and called me mostly town. Then when it favored your team you jumped on a weak wagon to mislynch me.

[Formerfish]

Why did you unvote me?

And if I didn't read it when I replaced in I won't now.

[Formerfish]

You should also recognize what I'm trying to get across to you as a sign to get you to look elsewhere. Which makes me think we are working at opposite ends here. So yeah, we 1v1 today and you die.

[Formerfish]

i'm not voting you, and i'm not pushing you. i'm trying to get you to change your read on me.

Why did you unvote me?

[Formerfish]

Ok. So say I'm willing to entertain working with you here. Which do we go for since we have opposed reads. I like voted and icon, you like Noodle and ryno.

That leaves over, GiF and Redem, right?

[Formerfish]

You've been defending Yyotta this whole time, why scum now that we have a replacement?

What did you think if my post where I combined every post Over made into 2 paragraphs?

[Formerfish]

Yvotta is my non you scumread

i can confirm their activity is not AI, i scumread what they've done in spite of it. i want gif to show up.

108 is still a live read? The way you were talking about the replace made it seem like it was a TR. I'm good with you wanting some from GiF.

[Formerfish]

I'll be here Gify

[Formerfish]

Wait

It took 5 days to reach 4 pages?
Wtf this game

We had like 4-5 slots take at least 1 prod each during that time. It was Easter too.

[Formerfish]

that hop on honestly just makes me scared that you're scum hopping on a me-led mislynch.

This is where RC explains why he unvoted.

[Formerfish]

Fish, you wanted to discuss reads. Post them if you haven't changed your mind.

Have I been unclear in my reads so far? I think I've talked about them quite a bit. Which would you like to discuss in particular?

[Formerfish]

if you're town ico, redemption is very very likely scum.

Btw

Ryno

/RC/

Noodle

/Voted townblock

This is gonna be a very fun game already I can tell. Although I'm only caught up to page 12 or something so far.

Talk to me about redemption tomorrow afternoon. (Not before because I won't be around until then and this game is already ugh to read.)

You ded?

[Formerfish]

Wait why is anyone voting Ico hes obv town

Why is the 1 vote on Icon what you're focusing on?

He is not in danger of a lynch and you aren't pushing the person voting Icon, so what's the point of this post?

[Formerfish]

Fish, you wanted to discuss reads. Post them if you haven't changed your mind.

Fish, you wanted to discuss reads. Post them if you haven't changed your mind.

Have I been unclear in my reads so far? I think I've talked about them quite a bit. Which would you like to discuss in particular?

Fish, if you should sort people from most likely town to least likely town, how would it look like?

Like I said. I feel like I've been clear about my reads. Are you saying you feel like I have been unclear? Which read would you like to discuss?

[Formerfish]

sooooo

Weekends suck here. GiF asked for time. Voted looks like he wants to talk, but doesn't reply so Im not sure.

Ill be around and will make sure we don't no lynch, I was kinda hoping for someone to be around to talk into another lynch, but it doesnt look promising.

[Formerfish]

"another lynch" -> me?

No, i would feel more comfortable with

VOTE: Noodle

What do you see as town here?

[Formerfish]

sooooo

Weekends suck here. GiF asked for time. Voted looks like he wants to talk, but doesn't reply so Im not sure.

Ill be around and will make sure we don't no lynch, I was kinda hoping for someone to be around to talk into another lynch, but it doesnt look promising.

(Posting to avoid prod lol)

So Fish, you want me to die right? You're aware there is no turning back now? Why would you wish not for nl now?


I hope town will still make it without me though, this will probably be my last post in this game.

After this post I dont mind if you get hung, but no I wasnt advocating for your lynch at the moment. You could have deduced that on your own by looking at the vote count, or the post where I voted someone that wasnt you.

No I feel weird about not being on your wagon since you so want me to be, like I should give a dying wish or something.

[Formerfish]

Can I interest anyone in a noodle lynch? Great deal, low mileage, original interior. Going fast!

[Formerfish]

no it's a terrible vote.

[Formerfish]

I'm saying that because you said you hope we don't get no lynch. Since I'm assured to die, it's like you said you hope for me to get lynch lol.

5 votes are needed for a lynch, you are at 4. One more is needed for your lynch. You will probably get that vote since no one seems to be around for me to convince otherwise.

No lynching can happen if we miss deadline without having reached the threshold for a lynch. That's not a good thing because it deprives town of whatever knowledge is gained from the flip and gives scum a leg up going into night.

So if no one else pulls the trigger I will to avoid that.

[Formerfish]

If I come back here tomorrow and see Fish hasn't hammered resulting in a no-lynch, the scumteam of Fish and Redemption better kill me off in the night because i'll be coming for both of you. Hard.

Not RC hard, i'll leave that to him. But hard nontheless. Like morning wood hard.

Just out of curiosity, why is it entirely on me to hammer? We do have 5 people who could hammer, im only 20% of that. It's not like I said "no on else hammer, this shit is mine!" And then disappeared for a few days around the deadline.

It doesn't look like anyone is interested in a different wagon, so a hammer should probably come sooner than later.

[Formerfish]

I'm conflicted. His play is something that anyone could push, so scum can easily hide pushing him since so many others did it.

I dislike the wagon because of RC pretty much.

[Formerfish]

why the fuck is this wagon going down right before deadline lol

I mean, the deadline is on a Monday, this site dies on weekends (you yourself went lva) and it's hard to talk to people when they arent here.

People have been around the whole time, you haven't been here. A lot of other people haven't been here either.

[Formerfish]

Nevermind, you meant why is it falling apart. Im with you.

[Formerfish]

exactly, so why is the wagon going down (i mean not happening anymore) right before deadline?

Hold on. Noodle wasn't voting Redem. So him unvoting changes nothing on the lynch right now.

Why are you freaking out? We are still at 4 votes and I'm still here to hammer when needed. We are not in trouble.

[Formerfish]

actually wagon is at L-2 right now so any vote next makes it L-1, not hammer

No it's at l-1...

[Formerfish]

actually wagon is at L-2 right now so any vote next makes it L-1, not hammer

Bro. Check yourself. Your scum is showing.

[Formerfish]

I'll unvote and be the hammer. That makes you feel better?

This actually makes me feel worse about this lynch now.

[Formerfish]

Fine. I'm out for the day, you guys do whatever the fuck you want.
If you actually scumread me this game, just lol.

So, you say something incorrect, and it's a big thing because you're basically telling people that their vote won't be the hammer when it would, and then when someone says it's suspect you get pissy and take your toys home?

Later gator.

[Formerfish]

One last thing to think about, why would I, as scum, even care so much about getting this lynch in?

Why as scum would you want to make sure a lynch goes through, especially when making someone else hammer by giving misinformation, on someone who I think could be town? Because he's town and youre scum and you want the lynch to go through?

[Formerfish]

do whatever the fuck you want.

See, this would be a good example of someone over reacting.

You admit you fucked up with the vote count and then gets mad at me for saying that is a scummy move.

Shrug. Sorry not sorry.

[Formerfish]

Spoiler:

It's okay. I'll shine the light down on this game tonight. Promise.

it reads as me struggling and failing to find my way into this game

i'll do it later.

casing this asap

Ill try soon I promise

I'll be here soon

I really need to get my mind in this

i can't force myself to engage this right now

almost all of the slots aren't playing. we need to get replacements and such.

When we have inactives you want to wait until they get replaced. When people are active you cant bring yourself to get involved. Yet you have some steadfast reads somehow.
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Just a reminder for everyone if I'm not around on D2.
Don't let him slip under radar for more then D1

If I come back here tomorrow and see Fish hasn't hammered resulting in a no-lynch, the scumteam of Fish and Redemption better kill me off in the night because i'll be coming for both of you. Hard.

Not RC hard, i'll leave that to him. But hard nontheless. Like morning wood hard.

Why do you come off with a fatalistic attitude about your likely hood of surviving til tomorrow? You haven't been particularly active, you don't have solid reads or even ones you've really been pushing, yet you feel pretty confident that you'll be the nk.

You're also setting RC and I against each other, what do you gain from that?

[Formerfish]

Can someone please hammer

Why you worried?

[Formerfish]

I dont want us to fuck up and miss the deadline

So you think I'm saying I'll hammer if it comes to that to string you guys along and that my plan is to not hammer?

[Formerfish]

You can say whatever you want man. Multiple people have sworn already, hell I've sworn somewhat in relation to you. We are all still alive and kicking.

[Formerfish]

Fuck it

VOTE: Redemption

This should be hammer.

[Formerfish]

If I were to make a townblock right here and now:

Ico/Overkill/Ryno/Vote

That leaves a lynchpool of:

Noodle/GIF/Fish

So you are town reading everyone who was on the mislynch with you, except me for some reason.

Why do you think scum killed someone from the wagon?