Newbie 1985 | Penguin's Year | Endgame

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How rude!

VOTE: Hajimari

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VOTE: dweller

How dare you vote at random during RVS.

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I'll have you know,

this

is in fact my second OMGUS!

VOTE: bugspray

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Hajimari, do you have any reads/thoughts so far?

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Why are you suspicious of both these players? I'm not really seeing anything AI from anyone at the minute truth be told.

Bugspray is a gut feeling, and Luca primarily after 31. I feel as if he's been feeling out how other people feel before committing to a read.

My question was directly related to your response that you wanted to make discussion.

There is no better way to spark discussion than discussing reads, however slight they may be.

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VOTE: Emperor

I don't want players hiding in RVS this game so lets get started.
Emperor what's your opinions on myself, haji, luca and bugspray?

Does the fact you moved your vote from Hajirari mean you were satisfied with her response?

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OK so emperor is actually doing stuff now, I missed page 3.
Bugspray thoughts on the game so far?
UNVOTE:

why unvote? was your vote to get me to do something?

Yes it was too get you doing what you began doing page 3. Surely you have some thoughts on the interactions in the group I mentioned?

VOTE: Haji

Oh, I just noticed you moved your vote back soon after, so I guess not.

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Welcome Chazary, not too hard of a catchup needed on this game.

Are you town?

Absolutely not.

Caught Scum!!! Let's leave him alive for a bit and find his buddy.

In literally the post before I can you out on keeping RVs going you are doing this meme poop
VOTE: tuxedo bugs Bunny person

This seems disingenuous; taking one joke post and using it to judge someone's entire play by it.

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@Luca:

Have you caught up? What are your thoughts on what's happened so far today? Have any reads you wish to share?

I'm still in the process of catching-up.

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In literally the post before I can you out on keeping RVs going you are doing this meme poop
VOTE: tuxedo bugs Bunny person

Please use the player's username or a close variation on their username. I will not be counting votes like this.

It took me reading this to realise that was actually supposed to be a vote on me. So bug since i've now shown you that Emperor was doing what you accused me of more than me I expect to see a vote on emperor in your next post.

I agree that Bugs' vote was bad, but I don't like the encouragement of further bad play by deflecting the issue onto someone else.

Wilky, do you suspect Flips or are you just using him to make a point?

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Any thoughts on mine and bugs interaction?

Your posts come off as frustrated townie. I haven't spent much time looking over how genuine that frustration feels but I put you more solidly in my town pile for now.

Bugs I'm not certain on. I don't want to come off as rude, but I almost want to ask if they've been drinking or something. It just seems rambling and random. Gonna think on it more.

So you agree that they had no basis for their argument?

The bit that gets me most frustrated is that I actually tried to have a discussion with Bugs about it and show them they were wrong whilst getting a good bit of 1 to 1 interaction to help me sort them. Bugs shut down the interaction at every angle so I tried to be more blunt and go "hey, you accuse me of being scum because i'm doing this but someone else is actually doing it more" then they voted me.

I don't even think its scummy what emperor was doing this early in the game I was trying to point out the flawed logic and hypocrisy in bugs posts to them.

Ah, my question above was answered here; you were using Flips to make a point rather than actually SR'ing him.

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I'm leaning Town on Wilky and scum on Bugs from that interaction.

Bugs looks like they're shading while playing the VI card with statements such as '

I'm bad

' - it's an easy way to not be held accountable for your reads and to basically make yourself unreadable, but this doesn't feel genuine and isn't true to Bugs in my experience with them.

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Consider my vote on Bugs until I know what the VC is.

Wilky, what's your current read on Hajimari?

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V/LA for the weekend

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Fucking hell. Town lets just lynch this now. Even if this somehow flips town (which it won't) what's the point of having someone who won't help town survive until end game.

do you live somewhere where it is legal to gamble?
how much do you want to bet (assuming we can gamble on this without it being a crime)

I believe stuff like this is against the rules of the game, btw.

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From the site rules:

Do not bring outside influences into the game - this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises, "trust tells", alliances, etc. Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another.

Just so you’re aware, Bugs.

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Catching up soon.

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Reading from page 6 so bear with me.

VOTE: Atarashi

You seem overeager to get other players' opinions without giving any of your own.

Sorry. I guess I was wrong about the not giving opinions thing. But some of those reads lack reasoning. And more recently you're just asking other players about things without really saying anything yourself.

And I realize that wilky is a townread for you but I still find it odd that you @ed him like that.

This feels a bit like forcing a SR from Chazary - his shade was proven wrong, but he maintains his stance while shifting the goalposts a little.

I don't see why it was odd to ask a TR for their opinion either - half of the game is about identifying other Town players and working together with them.

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@atarashi– what are your reads looking like?

Wilky's hard town for me. If he's scum then I'll lynch myself.

I'd say I'm leaning town on Luca based on his more recent posts but not by too much.

I'm leaning scum on you, cliff, and chazary.

Everyone else is null. Special shootouts to political clout and dweller because they haven't done much of anything and I wanna see them play the game before I comment on their affiliation.

This seems a bit extreme. I'm TL'ing Wilky by this point but have seen one or two things I don't like (which I'll come to later).

What makes you TR him so strongly?

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In post 116, Atarashi Hajimari wrote:
@wilky

Does the clidd/chazary interaction look weird to you? It looks weird to me.

I think clidd comes out of it in my scumread pile and chazary makes his way into my town reads. What do you find weird about it?

It just read to me as kind of fake/manufactured? Not entirely sure what a good word to describe what I felt would be. It was like a really quick slap-fight like interaction that just ended really abruptly. Maybe I'm reading into it too much but it just rubbed me the wrong way and I'm not 100% sure what to make of it.

What makes it seem manufactured to you?

I actually really like chazary's responses in it and its made me pretty much lock him town right now.

I can't relate to this at all. I had the opposite impression.

How does it lock him as town? (if you've answered this question later on then nvm)

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Current reads.

Town
Chazary

Slight town leans
Luca, Haji (although my read on haji does seem to be changing alot but he's in here for now)

Slight scum lean
Flippy

Scum
Bug, Clidd

Everyone else is null but I really want to see more from Political Clout and dweller soon or i'll start branding there lack of content as scummy.

At the moment i'd say Chazary should never be the lynch today and i've no idea why people are voting them.

The reads list seems generally fair apart from Chazary, which seems like one or more of the following: posturing, pocketing, protecting.

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Similar to buddying - where a scum player tries to get a Townie on-side either by being friendly to them/building rapport or by heavily TR'ing them.

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Another similar term is white-knighting - where a scum player deliberately saves a Townie from being lynched/put under pressure.

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Clidd's 259 seems decent. His read and comment on me don't seem to align, however - "

these first posts, in particular, are not yet congruent with his true ability to formulate reads. I expect more from him

" - and yet he has me as

'town indicative

?

I like his comments on Wilky, which reflect my view as well at this stage. I'm pretty sure this is Town!Clidd based on this post alone; I'm not sure he would have had the energy to produce this post as scum.

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Hey why people are voting me?

I claim Vanilla Townie.

I'm extremely sorry for the lack of activity. I'm busy with some of my projects. As soon as I'm finished I will start posting my reads.

That claim seems... early.

Scum buddy tell you "hey a bunch of people are voting for you, you should get active"?

That's a hell of an assumption.

I think usually this claim comes from Town, because scum have little to gain from claiming VT early and a fair bit to lose, but I've see newer players do this as scum before - perhaps not realising VT isn't a claim that is going to save you from being lynched, especially D1.

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Clidd, I really liked your analysis there i'm also kinda scumreading chazary and am willing to vote for him.What does everyone else think?

I get bad vibes from this.

The SR feels insincere and more like self-preservation, given Dweller hadn't even mentioned Chazary up until that point.

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I've pretty much caught up but will need to go over some bits again.

I TR Clidd and TL Hajimari. A tentative TL on Wilky. Maybe Bugs as well, I need to ISO again.

Right now I'm willing to lynch Chazary or Dweller, but leaning more towards the latter.

UNVOTE:

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I have a town pile of Hajimari, Clidd, Bugs and Wilky. Flips and Clout are entirely null atm, and I feel both main wagons have scum equity. The fact it's such an even split usually implies the wagons are TvS. The fact neither Chazary nor Dweller are currently voting each other, along with Dweller's 275 which feels like testing the waters, means S/S isn't entirely off the table either.

The fact the Dweller wagon consists entirely of my TR's and the fact Dweller has claimed VT means I'm pretty content lynching this slot today. Before I signal intent, I will do some ISO'ing to try and sort the 'null' players.

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Why do you suspect him?

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I will start ISO'ing soon, so far I have no read on him at all.

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Which posts didn't make sense?

Do you think his replacing out is scum-indicative?

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Just read through Flip's ISO and again nothing much stood out. Usually I SR a lack of town play, but I've seen Flips play like this as Town before. One thing that stood out, though, was his position on the two wagons, particularly this sequence:

jeezus fucking saving all christ. can we just kill chaz already

wait why is dweller about to die?

...should i hammer.?

lord knows i want to.................


im gonna close my computer so i dont. if thats still the way it is tonight im doing it & that cant be helped

that being said chaz should still die. p sure thats scum.

I'm trying to see how this is a Townie thought process:

A) Wondering why Chazary isn't dead
B) Realizing Dweller is L-1
C) Asking for permission to hammer
D) Emphasizing how much he wants to hammer
E) Turning his attention back to Chazary.

I can't ever remember as Town seeing someone I don't want lynched at L-1 and immediately thinking 'should I hammer?' There's something contrived about this sequence which makes me feel it could indicate Dweller/Flips as a scum team, with the latter trying to subtly save the former while making out he is keen to hammer.

Btw, I don't get why Flips SR's Chazary so much - can you explain that one, Flips?

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Another interpretation of that sequence is if Dweller and Chazary are both Town, and Flips is positioning himself to hammer while still maintaining the pretense of his earlier SR.

Either way, his SR of Chazary doesn't seem real, and 377 seems more like an afterthought to stay somewhat consistent rather than being genuine.

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VOTE: Flips

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Strongly feel that dweller's words were his own during Clidd's push, even if shakily reasoned. Either that means he's scumpartners with a sedentary player or he's being proactive on his own whim.

Not at all fond of his scumreads on my slot and Clout's, though.

Are you suggesting his scum partner, if active, would compose Dweller's replies for him?

I don't think I've ever seen this done, probably because it's something that would come across unnaturally. The odd bit of advice here and there is what usually happens, but day chat is underused by many on this site.

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Another interpretation of that sequence is if Dweller and Chazary are both Town, and Flips is positioning himself to hammer while still maintaining the pretense of his earlier SR.

Either way, his SR of Chazary doesn't seem real, and 377 seems more like an afterthought to stay somewhat consistent rather than being genuine.

I slightly agree a little with this scenario. I would like to see

Flippy

comment on this.

i wanted chaz to die. yesterday morning i planned on lolhammering last night if it was there cos i've never done it & sounds fun, didn't do it.

1. didnt feel right
2. i got high read my book & fell asleep
3. if i was scum why wouldnt i just lolhammer then & deal with shit the next day?

i dont think luca knows how to read me well, pretty sure he always sr me except for certain special occasions that i can't currently discuss.

Have you ever lolhammered in such a way as scum before?

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477 is a decent thought-process, feeling a bit better about the Chazary slot.

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I'm only willing to lynch in Dweller, Flips, Clout today.

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@mod -

I believe Clout changed his vote to Flips?

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Let me catch-up before hammering.

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I'd like to hear Wilky's take on a Homura lynch, given he's been hard TR'ing this slot for most of the game.

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He put me as null here, even with all my tunnel on him. This is extremly weird. I do not believe that I will say this stupidity, but I believe that, given the peculiarities surrounding his experience (which is more newbie than most), maybe (I mean, maybe), he is not scum. There was no resistance against my push, nor was there a reaction of anger or fear at the provocations. And no, he is not a fake newbie (I checked his past game).

dweller's reaction being as lukewarm as it is isn't town-indicative. NAI at best, or scum-indicative — scum will have to fake anger, because they were rightly accused. The reason you recessed on your scumread on dweller is the exact same reason I scumread him for.

I agree with this.

The only time scum show natural anger is when they believe they are being SR unfairly, in my experience.

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I'm at L-1

. Give me a consensus on whether I should claim and I'll do so.

And I'm pretty sure this is a bluff, if my theory is correct about your slot.

What would scum have to gain from 'bluffing' in this context?

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No, it is not a mistake that you would make. At least, not innocently.

Made the same mistake earlier with Emperor. People who know me on my main can attest to the fact that I'm bad with votecounts.

What exactly did you think I was going for?

What is your main account?

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homura is showing none

That's a good point, actually. Homura's recent tone feels like resigned scum.

I'm willing to hammer but would like to hear Wilky's take on it first.

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Can you elaborate on that?

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Not being able to escape a lynch shouldn't = being resigned as town.

You can still help 'point the fingers' before your flip. Scum have no need to do this, other than potential WIFOM, so are more likely to display this resigned attitude,

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I'm also not seeing how the resigned feeling is scummy in this instance. If I'm homura and scum sitting at l-1, I'd keep fighting because the people who have been hard townreading her (myself, wilky, luca initially? Might be wrong on that one) haven't participated in this recent discussion.

Maybe you would, but a lot of people find this hard to do as scum. I just had a scum game and my partner couldn't defend himself to save his life, despite possible avenues for escape being open, and despite being a PR.

I thought Homura's tone was pretty townie when she entered the game, but it's changed for the worse since pressure has been fully applied, which doesn't bode well.

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I'm willing to hammer but I want Wilky to weigh in first.

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[ post]4[/post ]

Just take away the spacing.

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@luca:

Since clidd doesn't want to be helpful, can you explain this wagon? I really dont get it.

Fmpov, I didn't like the Chazary slot and his replace-out

could

be scum-indicative. I felt better about Homura when she entered, but haven't felt any townie vibes since she's been pressured, which I would have expected if she were town.

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I think Homura, Clout slot, Dweller and Flips all have scum equity. Starting to doubt Wilky as well, which is why I want to see more of him before we end the day.

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Like 36 hours.

I often check in on my phone here and there so I can hammer close to deadline if need be.

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[ post]4[/post ]

Just take away the spacing.

Weird.

That was in reply to 678.

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Yes, but still. Unnatural.

This is a Newbie game. Helping is natural.

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I’ll catch up in a bit and then make my decision.

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I’m V/LA and have only had time to skim, but Homura’s recent posts look good. Scum don’t normally put that much effort into sorting the game when everyone’s accepting of their lynch?

VOTE: Dweller

L-1, this is more likely scum imo.

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Why would you assume that one scum is on and one is off the lynch wagon, Jailor?

It also makes little sense that Homura would push a hopeless wagon when in a 1v1 dog fight, with her partner subtly trying to save her. Until I voted Dweller, Homura was staring down the barrel with Wilky promising to hammer, so unless I'm her partner (which I know I'm not) then she is Town.

I think both of the main wagons on D1 were Town. Scum is within Flips, Jailor and possibly Wilky, Hajimari, but I have to review them.

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The reason I wanted to wait for Wilky end of day one was because I felt Wilky/Homura could be partners, but the fact Wilky was promising to hammer meant this wasn't likely to be the case.

As scum with Homura, Wilky could have easily taken the stance of 'I won't hammer my biggest TR, I'd rather No-lynch'.

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I explained that in the last sentence - he wouldn't have had to.

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Yes, he could have taken the stance of 'not hammering my biggest TR' and hope it goes to a No-lynch.

Promising to hammer would have put himself in a needless predicament as scum with you, as he'd have had to carry through with it. I felt like there were grounds enough to warrant a Dweller lynch over you (hence my vote) so his actions just don't make sense as S/S with you.

I am suspicious of Wilky's stance independently, however, for the same reasons.

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What pings me is this:

OK, this thread is dead if there's nothing more in the next half hour or so i'll hammer.

Anyone got any final thoughts before hammer?

You hard TR Homura and hard SR Dweller, so why are you accepting Homura's fate at this point? You knew I was yet to make my decision, and you only needed one more Dweller vote to get your wish, so why weren't you pleading with me to vote Dweller?

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Slight tl on Luca. Something about his posturing around hammering homura last DP has my paranoia alarms going off but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now

I wasn't posturing, I was V/LA and struggling to catch-up in time.

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Looking back at the end of D1, this vote seems really opportunistic:

VOTE: dweller
L-1 won't create a lolhammer because i don't think any trolls are in this game

Jailor had just replaced in with the two main wagons tied at 3 votes each, and puts Dweller to L-1 without taking time to consider both wagons. Literally 8 minutes had past from PP annoucning Jailor had joined the game to this vote.

It feels as though Jailor jumped on the first thing that he saw, which imo wasn't nearly big enough to justify an immediate L-1 vote. He then pretty much disappears, apart from posting a readslist with little explanation in 712.

VOTE: Jailor

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Chazary

-> He seems to be a very simple and direct player initially. But, to get a better base, I took a look at his last three games ( Newbies 1973, 1978 and 1982 ), one as scum and two as town, respectively. His playstyle is similar in the three games, being more incisive in certain moments, as more detailed and questioning in others. He tends, if necessary, to strive regardless of alignment, so it is not possible to judge him numerically in posts. He also seems to measure the tone well so as not to raise suspicions from one game to the next, if we compare the beginning of the three games. However, something extremely suggestive caught my attention: the ''fair'' standard.

''

What do you mean ?

''

I'm talking about his post 119, which he says

'' - Ok, fair. Can you explain why you think our interaction is weird though? ''

he uses the expression

"fair"

and then asks a question. If we search for that word in the three games, from his iso, we do not find the same pattern at any moment in the 1982 and 1978 games (which he was

town

), but it appears in the 1973 game (which he was

scum

). More specifically in posts 131 and 185, where he uses the expression accompanied by a question, in the same post. This linguistic addiction, unconsciously, highlights a pattern that is more likely followed by his

scum mindset

, than necessarily

town mindset

.

(

1973

: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81548)
(

1978

: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=81784)
(

1982

: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=81952)

Ok, fair.

this post is still making me feel weird and create tonnsss of WIFOM in my head

Can you elaborate on this?

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GBJ, wilky and Emperor is my preferred order. Emperor's 844 felt fairly authentic, but otherwise I'm not sure on his reads progression.

Everyone else I'm townreading on dayplay or

associatives

.

Explain more about this?

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I'm only interested in lynching Jailor, Flips or the Wilky slot today.

Jailor/Flips both have almost equal scum equity. I'm slightly preferring a Jailor lynch as he just seems like lazy, opportunistic scum from the example I gave earlier and his recent Wilky vote. It seems as though he's playing the 'too scummy to be scum card'. I don't see any town thought-process behind what he's doing.

Flips' flip is basically a coin flip (couldn't resist). I don't see too much manipulation in what he's doing, but then I don't see him as a manipulative scum player. I think he's just floating through, trying to survive as long as he can without using too much effort in pretending to solve the game. I'd like to think Flips as Town would make more of an effort than he's done here.

Wilky started like a freight train, but his presence in the game has gradually diminished to almost nothing. I've had problems with his stance on the Homura slot the entire game and hopefully he will return in order to explain that.

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You disagreed with my points against Flips, saying his post was ‘insanely townie’, yet he’s dead null in your list?

Why do you SR me and TR Hajimari?

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Thing is though, I explained my stance at the start of today regarding 651, which you ignored.

You’ve taken a post out of context and used it as a reason to SR me. I don’t see how you can zone in on one aspect and ignore the rest of the progression as you’ve done.

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Well I’m interested to hear the news, because it didn’t seem like your SR was based on much else from what you had just said.

If you truly think I’m scum then I don’t get why you’d be willing to ‘let the hatchet lie’, either. I don’t believe your supposed confidence that me and Bugs are scum, and that you’re already convinced enough to lynch the latter.

Add to that the fact you also said you don’t disagree with the Jailor wagon, and it starts to look as though you’re hedging your bets.

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I also find it weird how similar your views are to your predecessor’s - as though you’ve tried to pick up where he left off. Wilky was also hard TR’ing Homura and hard SR’ing Bugs.

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So you’re SR’ing me because I don’t SR Bugs? Have I got that correct?

So if Bugs flips town, how would that affect your read on me?

I don’t get how someone can replace into a game and think they have it solved within minutes. It feels unnatural.

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I don’t get your confidence that Bugs is scum, though. It seems to be based on their Homura read, but Clidd had the same view on Homura and flipped Town?

I think Homura is more likely town as well, but disagreeing on reads doesn’t mean that person is scum.

I’ll sleep now, continue this tomorrow.

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That’s the hammer.

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Oh wait, missed the unvote.

I’m losing track with these replacements.

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NorwegianboyEE’s Homura vote was disgusting, given his earlier views on that slot. He hard townread her at the start of day and scumread Bugs for SR’ing her, yet when the new players replace in and tunnel her he says nothing before jumping on himself.

Explain this progression, Norwegian?

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It feels like going with the grain.

What do you think?

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Just confirming that me and Pink aren’t the scumteam.

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VOTE: Not Mafia

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Yeah, I think we’re onto something here.

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OMG OMG OMG OMG

OMG OMG OMG HI

Scum is so screwed and they don't even know it

This is so true.

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Gg everyone.

I felt like it was going to be an easy win until all the replacements turned the game upside down, although it turned out ok in the end. Town basically buried themselves and we didn’t have to do too much. I did plan to save Homura in the hope people might get suspicious of her and link us together, and that ultimately worked well.

It was so obvious from early on that Bugs/Clidd were masons. That definitely made the game a bit easier for us.

No redactions for the Mafia pt

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Maybe, but yeah I think the Homura Town flip + distancing with Norwegian would have got us over the line either way.

I was a bit exasperated by all the replacements as I would have approached the game very differently had they started the game. As it were I don’t think I was ever really under pressure at any point.

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I think this game is a good example for the pitfalls of tunneling. Homura was hard-tunneled by Town D1 and D2, which took all pressure off the scum team. I also thought she was obvtown based on her end of day 1 play.

I never believe in lynching purely based on wagon analysis. I deliberately played the wagons and Town took the bait D2.

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I really wanted to lynch Homura D1 as I thought she was obvtowning and was clearly a capable player, but there were a few reasons I went for Dweller instead:

A) Pocketing. Homura would naturally be inclined to Town-read me off the back of it, which she did.
B) paranoia. People would be paranoid of Homura surviving in such a fashion and link me to being scum only if she is - which is what Pink did and to a lesser extent Menalque.
C) the fact that I couldn’t bring myself to lynch a slot that I know as Town I would never agree to lynching in that situation. Scum never play like that when they are about to be lynched, and I would have felt terribly scummy hammering her there.

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I was surprised to see you Tr me based on meta here, to be honest. I feel like my scum play is quite different to my town play as I find it hard to stay interested/motivated.

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TRs -->

Luca, Wilky, Hajimari and Bugspray

Scum Pool

-->

Dweller, Chazary, Emperor flippyNips and Political Clout

I would like the collaboration of those who are among my TRs to engage with the temporary pool of scums.

Still haven't read the end of day 1, but this confirms my theory that clidd was shot because of townreading scum.

Btw this wasn’t the reason we killed Clidd.

We killed him primarily because we knew he was a Mason, but I also saw him as a threat and was concerned he would eventually see I wasn’t entirely playing to my Town meta.