Newbie 2055: City Lights [game over!]

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Hello

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I'm not allowed to break the rules or pretend to

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I rate it 4 stars?
Let me count

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So I don't have to do it later: VOTE: Floo

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Not really?

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Oh you saw that, you're no fun

I mean I literally have nothing to say about it if you see I was E-1 in under a day and I barely gave a reaction to that

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Actually, why did you look into me that early

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Meaning why shouldn't you vote me or in general?

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Because I'm a PR

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flow trap, and now I have to ask you again how many games you've played? Because if it is really the second one...

Solve for y=2291.375

cos(10pi)x^{7}=100000(2y+x^{2}y)

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VOTE: FBJim

Here is a "I'm waiting for Floo" vote

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I tend to use a lot of hyperbole and/or "jokeclaim" masons day 1.

Hey mason buddy

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I tend to use a lot of hyperbole and/or "jokeclaim" masons day 1.

Hey mason buddy

for those who took it upon themselves to read flow trap games; does it stop being

this

at some point?

do it yourself if you want to know

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i probably get more out of asking than i do out of that

Because a summary is better than an analysis

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I mean you're going to have to do it anyways if you want to match it up

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And besided their input will influence yours so it would be better to do it beforehand

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And besided their input will influence yours so it would be better to do it beforehand

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First SR

VOTE: Ydrasse

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This is an interesting cast tbh

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VOTE: Vasex

is this a serious response to the last 4 pages or a delayed RVS?

I'm pretty sure it's serious based on their last game

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but all of you are hanging the townie

Caberet Defense from an experienced player?

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Being wrong doesn't equal scum

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I mea there is a 65% chance that at least 1 of their voters are scum

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I mea there is a 65% chance that at least 1 of their voters are scum

So what?

Exactly

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I don't see any reason you would go with those 3 unless it's omgus

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I don't see any reason you would go with those 3 unless it's omgus

do you townread jim or are they just null for you?

That's irrelevant to my point

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I'm saying I don't see why they SR all 3

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your argument read to me like "Well, since I'm town, one of the three people voting for me must be scum" which- even if the first part is true, the second part doesn't follow from that.

Does this logics prevent you to be mafia scum in this case? Or what's the reason you wrote it?

It doesn't prove they aren't scum it disproves they are

If that makes any sense

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I townread Vasex's play so far

why?

First SR

VOTE: Ydrasse

why?

Why not?

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Why not?

please explain the scumread, is what i'm asking, not 'why do you have a scumread', sorry for wording

It's only day 1 of day 1

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It's too early to say

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flow trap do you have preferred/unprreferred pronouns?

'no' is also fine

I do not want to talk about it.

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other than "what is flow trap's deal"?

I don't have any deals

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Dodging questions is seen as quite scummy where I come from.

Last game I had a PR read on something which caused me to dodge questions, please do not proceed with this

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Komrade, how will you hunt the scum if you are not using your vote?

^

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not to snitch, but you were also advised after that last game that having more dialogue with players on the early days would have helped

I am and no I wasn't

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In post 146, KittyTacky wrote:
Dodging questions is seen as quite scummy where I come from.


Last game I had a PR read on something which caused me to dodge questions, please do not proceed with this

Well you soft-claimed PR way back. Mafia is likely to target you anyways since a PR dying is good for them regardless of what it is but your soft-claim provides no info to us. Share with the class.

This is a strawman

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hello =)

Hello

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hello =)

Hello

well this is a fun little reunion, isn't it??

I guess I'll put in some work tommorow

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flow trap wrote:
In post 146, KittyTacky wrote:
Dodging questions is seen as quite scummy where I come from.


Last game I had a PR read on something which caused me to dodge questions, please do not proceed with this

Well you soft-claimed PR way back. Mafia is likely to target you anyways since a PR dying is good for them regardless of what it is but your soft-claim provides no info to us. Share with the class.

This is a strawman

What? My point still stands. You bring no info to town but you bring to mafia all the info they need. You already outed yourself as a PR.

Your lead will die with you if you get nightkilled or hanged because of your stubbornness.

Do you know what a joke is?

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flow trap wrote:
In post 146, KittyTacky wrote:
Dodging questions is seen as quite scummy where I come from.


Last game I had a PR read on something which caused me to dodge questions, please do not proceed with this

Well you soft-claimed PR way back. Mafia is likely to target you anyways since a PR dying is good for them regardless of what it is but your soft-claim provides no info to us. Share with the class.

This is a strawman

What? My point still stands. You bring no info to town but you bring to mafia all the info they need. You already outed yourself as a PR.

Your lead will die with you if you get nightkilled or hanged because of your stubbornness.

Do you know what a joke is?

There's joking, and then there's misleading town.

It really didn't seem like a joke.

This clears a KT+FT pairing right

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I always act sus (to people I haven't played with before anyways), and I don't think mafia busses off of the one reason you provided

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either of you evaluating whether everyone else should think you are partnered together or not

is, uh

???

I evaluate myself sometimes

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I always act sus (to people I haven't played with before anyways),

have you tried not doing so though?

Yes, it doesn't work

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Yes, it doesn't work

is there a reason you're ignoring vasex's questions towards you but replying to kittytacky and me?

I'm replying to both, but it takes longer for theirs

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I don't know how to answer the first question though

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I don't try to

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Vassex can you tell me 1 thing scummy about HUB?

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I'm about to go into analysis but here is my base skim reads as of now:

Leaning Town: Kitty/FBJ
Neutral: Floo/Fairy/TRQ/HUB
Leaning Mafia: Essay/Vase

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Oh yeah, almost forgot

VOTE: Vasex

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Side question, why is TRQ called Jessie?

Serious response:

daka daka daka

I townread the daka daka :3

This post is towny

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Essay = Ydra?

Yes, that's what autocorrect did once, and now that is their nickname

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Vase - At first I didn’t like their immediate looking into me, but their explanation was adequate. I don’t like their explanation to TRQ’s “knows mafia must talk! to seem towny” as they could have said it to seem towny. I fail to see the “asking approval and complementing another player on a page 1 vote.” May have shaded FBJ in #37. I don’t like their Caberet defense, I don’t think it needed to be said. I still don’t really get why they singled out their voters other than OMGUS. I don’t like post 96 from them, I don’t see town saying this, this early. Them questioning people & reasoning out pairs is a plus. Also, them continuing after saying they were done was also a plus. -

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Fairy - Their posts seem normal, also they SRed floo again, awaiting more. -

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Floo - I really like post 83, it mimics their previous town game; however, I don’t like 86 as it is non-sequitur. The rest of their posts are solid. -

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Kitty - The main thing going is their frivolous reason for suspicion on me. I don’t think scum would do this as it is very easily refuted and would put them in a bad light, but I’m not sure how to feel about them sticking to it. I would really like them to have real-time responses at one point. -

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FBJ - Question; in post 15, why was “supposed” in quotes? Their beginning was solid, but they quickly went into non-sequitur territory a bit. Their actions make sense with their explanations (I think your reads are biased to more serious players, it happens just informing you). -

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HUB - Started with a seemingly procedural opening, so not much to go off of in that matter. Is mildly out of sync at the start, but that seems like a HUB thing. Their defense of Vase was weird, as was the “SAD FACE OF SCUMMINESS”! They seem like a type to have good gut reads & mid games, so as of now -

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Essay - Their entrance was suspicious as I’ve consistently seen “showboating” done by scum. In fact, this is about 70% of their posts so far. Also, ignored/dodged my SR. -

Leaning Scum

TRQ - Good opening, I get serious town vibes (as in a town that is playing seriously). This continues throughout the game despite half the cast having lighter tones. It also provides good reasoning to vote me. I believe TRQ has the ability to do this as scum but for now -

Null Town

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SAD FACE OF SCUMMINESS

huh? What is this in response to?

Ah right, it's probably not a joke here

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its proooobably something like kittytacky/flow trap for me.

How did you reach

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conclusion?

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Now I'm even more curious, what is the joke and what is the post you're responding to?

124

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its proooobably something like kittytacky/flow trap for me.

How did you reach

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Also, don't like how you're targeting the 2 easiest players to target here

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Why Kitty is the easiest?

I found that shifting from RT to Forum can produce interesting results

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you two are the least towny. also i’ve been suspecting you all game when there was a definitively lesser amount of things to make you “easy” (i.e suspicion)

why do you feel so compelled to defend kitty specifically? why did you make sure we all knew you two couldn’t be teamed?

Clearly you have been focusing on only when I don't help otherwise you would know the answer to the first and it's just a thing I do

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Why Kitty is the easiest?

I found that shifting from RT to Forum can produce interesting results

Meh

Ok captain dismissive

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Vassex you are the most towny and scummy player so far

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why in gods name are there three votes on vasex

VOTE: Happy Unbirthday Boon

Now there is not

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you two are the least towny. also i’ve been suspecting you all game when there was a definitively lesser amount of things to make you “easy” (i.e suspicion)

why do you feel so compelled to defend kitty specifically? why did you make sure we all knew you two couldn’t be teamed?

Clearly you have been focusing on only when I don't help otherwise you would know the answer to the first and it's just a thing I do

nope, you need to give a concrete answer for these things; a singular missed “joke”/interaction doesn’t clear you two of being teamed and jumping to a statement like that needs explanation. even if you think it’s obvious you should spell it out for everyone.

it’s also just a very awkward way of stating a read in general.

How is it not concrete, not to mention my reason for TRing them and my reasoning for why it doesn't makes sense for us to be partners are different

How did I not spell it out, I stated something town they did and they provided my reasoning for why it was towny

You can't discredit my TR on them just because I poorly explained why we can't be partners

my theory right now for you being scum, flow, is mainly your reads list and a general toneread; it feels like you’re struggling to scumread people, potentially, because you know they’re town and at best you can call them tossups. those toss ups on your reads list feel more fleshed out too because like... you can identify the towny parts, and it’s easy to add in those to make the read seem in depth, but the scumread parts fall a little flat.

that, and i’m perceiving your push onto me as the easiest to omgus, from the people who have been considering you as scum. due to my lack of activity, most likely. showboating and a vague % rate about my post content doesn’t contextualize the actual content and what about it is scummy, imo. you should engage with what i’ve been saying and what i’m trying to accomplish if i’m scum.

so if you’re town: go on, prove me wrong on my scumread, okay?

Actually, I SR more people as scum since I like to keep my options open, this can be seen with my last game as I TRed 3 people really early and had no concrete SR until later in the game, I am not OMSUSing you as I accused you first. Most of the stuff I find scummy has simply been because is it a scum tick.

i can do the things you need ydrasse to do when ydrasse is unavailable if i am available and you tell me the things you need done

This makes me uncomfortable as it seems you're trying to hard to be helpful

Ydrasse, FBJim, flow trap... You all either see him townie, or ignore him at all. And your arguments are rather strange or just bad about him.

Most of it just comes from a similar game to their town game, I oppose a shot, but I don't oppose a vote on them

I've already have a candidate who could try to buy me
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i like how vasex seems to enjoy getting pushed on by trq in post 46. reminds me of like a jedi master enjoying the aggression in his padawan

In post 278, fairyprincess69 wrote:
yuo read vasex as upset? that's a strange takeaway. their response was a bit OMGUSSY but not overly emotional in my estimation. why can't this be upset scum, anyway?

In post 316, fairyprincess69 wrote:
vasex being town is something i'm pretty confident in at the moment though

Interestingly there are not many mentions of Fairy that I have seen, I have made a small graph once of number of times mentioned and whether they were mafia & mafia get mentioned less, I don't have a large sample, so this is nothing big just thought I would mention it (it could also be they joined later)

It's hard to see why a player with Vasex's experience, whether town or scum, does the apparent OMGUS. Some players have proposed that it's just an emotional reaction, but Vasex himself has said that he was not scared of dying - he has probably gone through a flash RVS wagon before.

It could also simply be a coincidence that they SRed each other, it's not unthinkable

I'm inclined to say flow trap by a hair just because the read list feels off for a reason I want flow and fairy to notice first.

Is there a specific listing that feels off?

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why in gods name are there three votes on vasex

VOTE: Happy Unbirthday Boon

Now there is not

Go on...

More of a why not

FBJ - TR
Floo - TR
Kitty - TR
Vassex - Was already on them
Essay - Secret reasons
Fairy - Didn't feel like switching of off Vase when they suggested it
TRQ - Dynamics

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TL is a TR

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I'm curious about your secret reasons for ydra

:I

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I'm not sure I agree that floo is strong town on meta, although since they were in your last game I guess I can see why you'd be looking for similarities. I'd like to see more from them still.

Well you can't agree because I don't think that

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Your reasoning for TLing floo changed?

Floo - I really like post 83, it mimics their previous town game;

What else do you like in their iso?

Stop changing your words

I think Floo is slightly towny it's that simple

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right now since you've been exclusively pushing vasex, who I think is one of the towniest slots in the game,

My top Scum Pairing right now is You+Vase, so I don't find this very compelling

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The reasoning is irrelevant right now as your reasoning is that Floo could be paired with anyone and that Floo suspects your TR

The first is weak and general and town can be wrong, so I don't find your evidence to be compelling

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That is not relevant to why to SR them, please stop trying to derail the conversation

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See, now you're turning the attention away from Floo, you're being evasive

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See, now you're turning the attention away from Floo, you're being evasive

To be clear, me and Vasex made a wagon on Floo, you counter-voted me and interjected yourself to white knight Floo when I was trying to get him to expand his reads, and you're accusing me of "turning the attention away from Floo"?

Tu quoque

Not to mention I didn't vote you because of floo as I was not in that conversation, but you are in this conversation

Edit: They can still answer questions

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They were under pressure for quite some time, you can still redirect it back to them later

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Would you like a lamp with that shade?

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I'm inclined to say flow trap by a hair just because the read list feels off for a reason I want flow and fairy to notice first.

Is there a specific listing that feels off?

You missed this

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VOTE: flow trap

How confident are you

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interested in how you think this would be helpful of me or why you think i would think this would be a particularly helpful offer

like when you ask yourself 'why is she making this post', how did you come to the conclusion, 'possibly to seem helpful!'

I'm confused as to why you are arguing that it wasn't helpful

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interested in how you think this would be helpful of me or why you think i would think this would be a particularly helpful offer

like when you ask yourself 'why is she making this post', how did you come to the conclusion, 'possibly to seem helpful!'

I'm confused as to why you are arguing that it wasn't helpful

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

why do you think happy unbirthday boon said to ydrasse that it needed her to post in the first place?

To read them better

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interested in how you think this would be helpful of me or why you think i would think this would be a particularly helpful offer

like when you ask yourself 'why is she making this post', how did you come to the conclusion, 'possibly to seem helpful!'

I'm confused as to why you are arguing that it wasn't helpful

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why do you think happy unbirthday boon said to ydrasse that it needed her to post in the first place?

To read them better

okay so how would me posting instead of ydrasse be helpful towards this

Good point, that's fair

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Ok, I'm not sure about Vase, but I'm pretty sure I accused HUB & Essay first and their voting me so I'm getting double OMSUSed here

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Which is why I doubt how seriously serious serious vase is voting me and not just following HUB

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i don't agree with wagoning if it is. flow trap is practically the default anti-town/disruptive hang if it gets close to deadline anyway, and it's not halftime yet. arguing with FT is just going to make reading/solving more difficult.

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ydra what's your take on floo trap?

What's your's

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probably with the exception of the scummy post before the readslist

I don't understand

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I still don't understand

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How is anything else anti-town :I

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the weird shifts in tone over the day bothers me

You know when you finish a great book and you can't really get into the next one until something just as great happens

Also, it's normal for me to change in games

Also also, Essay has way more shifts than me

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I feel if both flow trap and floo are mafia then floo might be sussing me because I pushed on their buddy.

Why you over the others especially when I TR you and Floo would be stepping on my toes

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183 I wanted to let flow trap be flow trap, if you get what I'm referring to, so I didn't want to explain too much of flow trap's play. But I can point out just the read list for now. Do you agree it feels like "not flow trap" compared to last game?

i agree, in that i don't remember flow trap offering a reads list like that. seems strange for him to be sincere with his reads that early on

The goal of a bluff is to make it seem real

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So you put up a "fake" readlist?

I didn't say everything was fake

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No I didn't ;P

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You just assumed I was refering to the first part of what they said and that I was talking about the entire readlist

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why do I feel like every time you say something and are asked about it you say you were doing something else just to confuse people?

I feel like if I asked 'are you a player in this game' you'd be like 'no'

No, you're just interpreting it in a way to cast suspicion on me

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If I wanted to claim I would have done it already

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There is no way to interpret this post in a way that does not make it seem like you are either saying yoh faked a readslist or were intentionally faking reads

Yeah because I faked that post, are you happy?

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If I wanted to claim I would have done it already

Last warning

You are already on me

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Well you're hammering me without reason so what's 1 more thing

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Yes which is why I'm not claiming because I'm not being shot for no reason

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If I flip Town go Essay or HUB next

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Yeah so you're ok with being on the hot seat

Are you that confident?

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flow trap, if you're town, you need to work with the rest of us so we can figure that out

I extended my arm here first you are not working with me

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Unvote me for now and I'll claim

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It's not cooperation if it's only on my end

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That's submission not cooperation

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What if I were to claim VIlly right now HUB?

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That is literally the only reason you have against me

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I think I've (honestly) claimed once in my 47 games

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Especially since I'm typing a post

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Hub actually contribute

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Maybe answer my question

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Hub actually contribute

Especially since I'm typing a post

every post you make isn't even a "try to survive dayphase" at this point, it feels like your goal in the short term is "survive next 20 minutes" which makes me think you are either waiting for a buddy to try to save you, or are trying to make town spew themselves scum when you flip red for defending you and putting the brakes on your wagon

there is literally 0 town motivation in any of your play in the last like, five pages

Yeah do you want to know why

Because you're pushing me with not stated reason so I literally cannot do anything else

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It's day 1!

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Why are you rushing this?

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You're rushing everyone to a shot without saying anything why

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And "generally suspicious" doesn't cut it at this point

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Here is the accusations against me and here is my rebuttal

Anyways I'm getting a mild scumread on

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. Dodging questions is seen as quite scummy where I come from.

I dodged questions last game as town too

slightly scummy due to just generally acting sus, which I articulated before.

Actually, you said the above

(Did the whole HUB spiel already)

the weird shifts in tone over the day bothers me

https://www.braingle.com/games/werewolf ... 04;round=4 I'm Stat the Town in this game stark difference between round 4 and 5

I feel if both flow trap and floo are mafia then floo might be sussing me because I pushed on their buddy.

The premise is in the conclusion, not to mention why you over the others that are pushing especially when I TR you and Floo would be stepping on my toes

my theory right now for you being scum, flow, is mainly your reads list and a general toneread; it feels like you’re struggling to scumread people, potentially, because you know they’re town and at best you can call them tossups. those toss ups on your reads list feel more fleshed out too because like... you can identify the towny parts, and it’s easy to add in those to make the read seem in depth, but the scumread parts fall a little flat.

that, and i’m perceiving your push onto me as the easiest to omgus, from the people who have been considering you as scum. due to my lack of activity, most likely. showboating and a vague % rate about my post content doesn’t contextualize the actual content and what about it is scummy, imo. you should engage with what i’ve been saying and what i’m trying to accomplish if i’m scum.

so if you’re town: go on, prove me wrong on my scumread, okay?

Actually, I SR more people as scum since I like to keep my options open, this can be seen with my last game as I TRed 3 people really early and had no concrete SR until later in the game, I am not OMSUSing you as I accused you first. Most of the stuff I find scummy has simply been because is it a scum tick.

For The Last One - I claim Villy

If this post seemed short that's because it is, which is why this shot is unfair

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but also if it continues like it is now or said post doesn't contain a claim, then

What do you mean like it is now?

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This is why I didn't want to share my reeads last game because I go ignored

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but also if it continues like it is now or said post doesn't contain a claim, then

What do you mean like it is now?

you posting things that aren't claiming indefinitely,

like do you really think you gained information between when i first said intent and now? do you think anyone else had gained information from those posts?

Yes, because now I'm more sure that HUB is scum, you were the one that wanted posts I got you posts

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And also why would I not claim as scum

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this is true, fairyprincess and fbjim posts probably came about because of, so,

what do you make of those?

I definitely think it would be very easy for scum fairy to push me there as they and floo are the only one's with first-hand experience with my town game and floo doesn't show up often

I'm not sure I understand this:

FT refusal to claim (other than a bizarre "unvote or i claim" which ???) and you've stated intent to hammer. not to put you on the spot but you're the best hope for a KT counter so i'll leave the trigger decision to you.

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I definitely think it would be very easy for scum fairy to push me there as they and floo are the only one's with first-hand experience with my town game and floo doesn't show up often

if you are town there is likely more benefit in scum!fairyprincess defending you rather than pushing you in that situation

Isn't white knighting more suspicious though, they wouldn't even need to hammer me

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And also why would I not claim as scum

-To ask this question
-To keep fakeclaims open later in the game
-To continue to rolefish town
-Because they think they get hammered as VT but
-Don't know exact power structure of town and so don't want to go into a mechanical crossclaim in case there's masons that means they instantly lose the 1v1
-Didn't know if they could get away with not claiming, which is the 'fun scum' option

By that logic any town thing is scummy because scum would do that to look town
Which I won't be in
Idk what that is
No I wouldn't, if anyone were to do that it would probably be the ToS player Kitty but they're already on me
-ThenI would just claim VIlly
-I don't have fun as scum, I can show you me having a mental breakdown in a game, but I don't think I would like that

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Actually all but the last would fit in with, I most likely wouldn't survive it

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That still doesn't explain why you suspected me before, I assert the fact that the reason I didn't claim was pettyness

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You jokeclaimed masons with me early which felt like you wanted to solve with me but then started like contradicting everything I say, not even every read but like every inference of a post, it's like you started the game trying to pocket me then realized that wouldn't work for some reason, probably because I found town in the russians. It is much easier to see scum from that trajectory than town

Imma be frank, I completely ignored that, and why should I agree with you now just because I agreed with you then

I am trying to solve the game by disagreeing with you, you know, I highly doubt you've been right about everything in a game, including motivations & tell

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I completely ignored that

Would like to add refering to the Russian thing

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Wait are you saying I was right?

You were right about some things at the start of the game

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Wait are you saying I was right?

You were right about some things at the start of the game

Well I agree that they're right

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Why is that the thing you're focused on

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Coolio so no matter what I do you're going to SR me

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Well, too bad for you I'm going to keep fighting

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You know what, I don't care if I have to embarrass myself, let me link that game

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https://www.braingle.com/games/werewolf ... 20;round=5

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And I was at like e-3

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I did something not like this as scum

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You realize that if you link a game where you did this as town I will not want your flip less

You building a pattern of doing this is something I would just want you to stop, like there's no way this self-meta can spew you town because if it did spew you town it's so dramatic it'd be a trust tell

You'd have to do it as either alignment, and you shouldn't be doing it as town, so I'd want you to stop doing it as both alignments

In this case I think based on progression and reaction you're scum anyway and self-meta is not going to change that

You're being salty that I cut down your agruements

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And I was refering to going down fighting

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Stop. Arguing. Self. Meta.

I am the last player on this site you want to use self meta on.

At least I'm arguing and not moping

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Town is always more offensive here

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And I linked it for you to read not for me to talk about

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And you still haven't provided a reason for suspecting me before youvoted me

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And Vassex hasn't provided a reason at all

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I feel like this is unfair, so that's why I'm acting like this

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I know that I'm acting poorly but I'm very emotional right now

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I read it and I find it so different as to be irrelevant to this game, other-site-meta

Ok Texas-Sharp-Shooter

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I read it and I find it so different as to be irrelevant to this game, other-site-meta

Ok Texas-Sharp-Shooter

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I feel like as town you'd have the self-awareness to know how scummy you are

I do which is why I've been addressing it

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VOTE: Vassex

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I'm going to back off because I think your flail has already gone too far, someone should just hammer and stop torturing you

You just don't want to look any worse when I flip town

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I need a break, don't shoot me without a chance to defend myself

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FT is throwing up so much dust

you mean points that support my agrument

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Can we like take a step back here and focus on other people, I feel like I've got half of the attention

Like Kitty said that they could only articulate a read on me and most of what Essay said has been about me

Like I know I'm town and when I flip you're not going to be left with a lot

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Oh yeah that reminds me the HUB+Vasex thing was a bluff, most of the original readlist was true

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I meant the pairing

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Essay what do you think about Vase?

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There was literally no motivation for me to not claim, I was just being irrational

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Coolio let's make it a 3 to 2

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from what i skimmed of you though i’m not moved. you’re trying to do the things that you think town would do in this position (“town would be more offensive than scum”) so like, you’re self aware of what you’re doing and have been and yet still are like... dunno, how to put this. you’re putting on the act of looking townie and have made it clear to us that you’re cognizant of this + the cues you need to meet and feel a need to verbalize that to us.

It's a subconscious thing I can't control it

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495 is someone voting the person they sus.

Contrary to a Random vote that hasn't been changed, an OMSUS & a vote without an explanation, I would agree/say Kitty's is the most justified here

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like what is "maliciously fallacious" in 'dude didn't claim at f1'?

I didn't claim because I was upset

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Not to mention that happened after and you're not a psychic

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still just want hammer lmao

Then hack someone

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this may be total galaxy brain but the demand of "retract your vote and i'll reveal" is so bizarre and senseless (what's to stop you from just re-voting again?) that i don't even know if it qualifies as scummy


formal request to replace "WIFOM" with "galaxy brain"

I just wanted proof of cooperation

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Wait, I need to change my password to something other than password123

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I wish I was scum because then I would have a non-cringy/meltdowny one for once

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However it did not come across as a joke. It came across as more like a scum being caught with their pants down while trying to claim a PR.

Nooooo?

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I really don't see that

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Like, there is literally a ":P" face

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No I meant you refusing to claim later after the fact. Now that's sus.

Becuase it was a joke

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No I meant you refusing to claim later after the fact. Now that's sus.

Becuase it was a joke

And you don't just ask every suspicious person to claim

Or me to claim in general because reasons

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That would be half the people, if both PRs aren't outed, it would still be easy to find them

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Why?

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Why?

if any number of players are mafia they probably have a pretty good idea on it anyway, does more to solve the game than the utility of their roles in a decent percentage of games, want to hit mafia today (anxious/impatient; character flaw)

But then it will basically have a single clear day 2 or become vanilla entirely

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But just have them claim if they're about to be shot, it's the same but you don't out the PRs

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I've had rougher

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also the fact that this wagon has been so hard to get through today makes me feel like you’re scum more?

How has it been hard, there is literally nothing provided against me other than a refusal to claim & "generally suspicious" and if you're trying to make a scum motive for something irrational, you're reaching

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Does it seem like I have a bias toward new players?

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No I meant you refusing to claim later after the fact. Now that's sus.

Becuase it was a joke

A bad one. Doing all this, waiting this long, only to claim VT? Hmmmmmmmm...

Also what TRQ said. An informed town is much, much better than an uninformed town.

Having a different sense of humor is not a reason to suspect me and an informed mafia is much better than an uninformed mafia

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Not to mention, a clear is more powerful later in the game

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UNVOTE: Whoever I'm on

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Please talk about other things than game state and me, there is going to be basically no info

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My favourite part of the game was when HUB looked at my scum game and called it too different