Newbie 2055: City Lights [game over!]

[KittyTacky]

Yeah, TBH we have the numbers... for now. As the game goes on we will need to be more careful unless we lynch scum.

In TOS (Town Of Salem), a common practice is VFR, or voting for roles. It involves voting someone up (voting in that game is two-stage, majority vote puts them up to a podium where they can defend themselves and then after that players can vote innocent or guilty, if there are more guilty than innocent votes they get hanged) and then asking them to claim. This helps the town collect info about the roles in the game and weed out fake claims from mafia/coven/NK.

This only really works in games with lots of power roles (in TOS everyone is a power role). In TOS there are often several protective roles to protect important townies who are forced to claim.

Here it's impractical because at most we have one doctor. It's not like we have many other PRs to find anyways. Mostly we would hit vanilla townies, or scum claiming vanilla.

I really need to practice my scumreading.

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

Yeah in a semi-open setup like this that won't work so well probably

I do like your vibe so far though

[KittyTacky]

TOS is a different kind of semi-open in many setups. In Ranked Practice, for example, there is a list of roles like "Town Investigative" (sheriff aka cop, investigator which doesn't have a Mafia equivalent, lookout aka watcher, spy which also doesn't have an equivalent), "Town Killing" (vigilante, veteran aka PGO). So you can fill those slots with claims. There are also Random Town slots.

There's also Classic where all slots besides Town Killing and a single RT are fixed. And All Any which is randomly-generated. It's a mess.

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

Yeah those setups are pretty much predicated on a computer handling all the night actions because otherwise it would take forever

Still, probably good practice at handling semi-open setups like this

main problem with those setups though is that half the time they'd be breakable off mech if town actually had the time to process everything being said, some of those setups feel only winnable if town is at least slightly dumb in a way I guess, more puzzle game than mafia almost

anyway do you have takes on anyone other than flow trap?

[Vasex]

have you stopped townreading me? or was i incorrectly assuming you were townreading me based on your response to my first few posts?

I didn't townread you, I had a thought that you are funny and that you mostly was kidding (it sounded very funny about "knows mafia should talk to seem towny" and other arguments, maybe I understood it wrong, I don't care for now).
You have good agruments sometimes. I.e. "also, voting with me, not stating why, but disagreeing with my reasons is interesting"

And I think I will play this game with HUB, hoping it is not a very good mafia. I don't understand some things it talks, but the rest of its posts I understand and most important that I understand its position. If trq and I are townies for it, and Ydrasse maybe, it is clear why it doesn't like FBJim and maybe flow trap. And I can take trq as a townie only because of HUB's opinion. It should see things clearly, comparing with me. At least it knows some of the players and because of my language issues...

[Vasex]

I'm from Russia by the way so my timezones are weird.

That's an unexpectable twist and very interesting. Please tell me did you play on Russian mafia forums? Nickname?

[Datisi]

Vote count 1.04

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-02-26 12:00:00).

elimination

flow trap [2]:

Ydrasse, KittyTacky

Vasex [1]:

floo

KittyTacky [1]:

Happy Unbirthday Boon

Ydrasse [1]:

flow trap

FBJim [1]:

Vasex

Not voting [3]:

Ahri, team rocket queen, FBJim

mod notes

~ Ahri has (expired on 2021-02-17 22:25:00) to confirm their role before I look for a replacement.

flavour

[flow trap]

Dodging questions is seen as quite scummy where I come from.

Last game I had a PR read on something which caused me to dodge questions, please do not proceed with this

[KittyTacky]

I'm from Russia by the way so my timezones are weird.

That's an unexpectable twist and very interesting. Please tell me did you play on Russian mafia forums? Nickname?

I actually didn't... I said I had next to no experience with forum mafia didn't I?

Dodging questions is seen as quite scummy where I come from.

Last game I had a PR read on something which caused me to dodge questions, please do not proceed with this

Well you soft-claimed PR way back. Mafia is likely to target you anyways since a PR dying is good for them regardless of what it is but your soft-claim provides no info to us. Share with the class.

anyway do you have takes on anyone other than flow trap?

Not really, TBH. Nothing that can be well-articulated.

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

Sadly it looks like Ahri is getting replaced, and unless the noavi gets replaced with another noavi then it looks like my avi-related SE duties are done.

And, I think I've made a decision about how to meme this game.

"But HUB, isn't it too early to build your memes for the game around two players you have never played with before on page 4?"

No, logical reasoning, NO!

The time has come, KOMRADE.

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

I am thinking both KittyTacky and Vasex are both town.

(I still also townread TRQ but that doesn't fit the meme as well)

Which means we are no longer townblocking. Oh no. Now we are RUSSIABLOCKING.

i am posting instead of working, please don't call my boss

Da, this is capitalist sentiment! We must hunt the scum for glorious mother russia!

UNVOTE: team rocket queen - things are getting less random

Komrade, how will you hunt the scum if you are not using your vote?

VOTE: Vasex- D1 pressure seems normal, asking approval and complementing another player on a page 1 vote seems less normal.

Komrade, I do not like this vote or this reasoning

Empty post per moderator request (ip verification)

Are jokes to the mod scum indicative? This is a theoretical question we can review in post and not an actual accusation, just something I've been wondering about

that and questioning if i was really a new player, which isn't relevant to finding mafia

disagree komrade, evaluating your level of experience is part of getting a sense of you as a player and is very townie

also not sure about your assumption that at least one of your voters is scum.

I disliked this whole conversation on your part, Komrade Jim

UNVOTE:

Komrade, why do you keep not using vote? This makes your re-evaluations feels performative and less townie, friend.

Vasex and trq. trq for pushing in productive ways. Vasex because I think his reactions were genuine.

Komrade, this is actually a pretty good take. I agree on these reads, and yet, I feel like you still may be likely scum. Still, this does not make me super confident. I would say you are... ~45% capitalist scum. Still, even with the null replacements coming, I believe you are best vote for glorious motherland.

Spoiler:

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VOTE: FBJim

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Spoiler:

If either russian player does not like this gimmick, I can drop it. I'm just thinking that calling everyone "komrade" will also help me keep track of pronouns easier so if it's not too cringe I might hold it for a while at least, I'll probably drop it by day 2 even if you're both okay with it

[flow trap]

Komrade, how will you hunt the scum if you are not using your vote?

^

[FBJim]

Dodging questions is seen as quite scummy where I come from.

Last game I had a PR read on something which caused me to dodge questions, please do not proceed with this

not to snitch, but you were also advised after that last game that having more dialogue with players on the early days would have helped

and you're your own dude and don't have to follow advice, but do you have anything we can work with?

[FBJim]

Komrade, how will you hunt the scum if you are not using your vote?

^

don't know if you're the type to respond to this kind of pressure with how loose you've been, but

VOTE: flow trap

chips on the table

[FBJim]

disagree komrade, evaluating your level of experience is part of getting a sense of you as a player and is very townie

yeah. took the first page interactions a little too seriously and jumped to trying to fit everything past that to a narrative. that said, i townread his reactions to that, so it wasn't a total waste. (part of why i backed off)

[FBJim]

for thematic content here is my favorite piece of russian music

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

ngl, that blatant attempt to enter the Russiablock is kinda townie

Still I'd like to hear what my komrades think of the case

[Vasex]

I don't know about KittyTacky. Null for now. I tried to investigate who is he because the community of Russian Mafia is not too big, especially talking about the ability to play in English, but it seems we are not acquainted at all. It is ok.

It is pity that here I can't upvote the posts I like, because HUB rocks
Red Alert, Mother Russia like the main meme of the game, nice

FBJim, I don't think that to hang the most possible RP is a good idea. It is better to see will he be alive after the night. But I agree with you and KittyTacky that dodging questions is not good for townie. It is better for him to talk more.

[Vasex]

I tried to investigate who is he

Because if I succeded in that, this quote could be definitely a lie: "but my experience with forum Mafia is lacking"

[flow trap]

not to snitch, but you were also advised after that last game that having more dialogue with players on the early days would have helped

I am and no I wasn't

[flow trap]

flow trap wrote:
In post 146, KittyTacky wrote:
Dodging questions is seen as quite scummy where I come from.


Last game I had a PR read on something which caused me to dodge questions, please do not proceed with this

Well you soft-claimed PR way back. Mafia is likely to target you anyways since a PR dying is good for them regardless of what it is but your soft-claim provides no info to us. Share with the class.

This is a strawman

[Datisi]

Replacing Ahri.

GeorgeBailey is now my backup mod.

[GeorgeBailey]

ego

[team rocket queen]

hm hm hm

[Datisi]

fairyprincess69 replaces Ahri.