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Post #55 (isolation #3) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:35 am
Postby RCEnigma »
I'll be able to put some effort towards this game tomorrow or Tuesday morning the latest.
Thoughts with no further context:
Titus town
Grandpa iffy
Dorsey slightly townie
Alwaysnever slightly above dorsey
Greeting is meh
I had something about uhuh but immediately forgot what it was
Dew I've got nothing
In post 43, AlwaysNever wrote:Busy, understandable. still though.... your opening posts are off somehow....
expand on that read?
five post in short succession, barely half is what I can consider "content" rest is filler, it might just be your style but it doesn't feel good for me
you're not the only one though with off-putting posts, but the rest haven't posted as much
because i was in rvs?? you have to realize, that was my first couple of posts. i do this in every game. its nai.
RCEnigma wrote:Oh, I remember now, I liked uhuh trying to get a more precise articulation out of Dorsey.
Greeting has the worst non RVS vote up to this point.
Do I, though?
I don’t know the playing style of people in this forum. However, if I did and played a game with them, attempting to get a read on their alignment would be my first move. Dew, if I’m not mistaken, is a newbie, like me. It seems odd that Titus went after them before checking out the rest of the semi-experienced players. Interestingly enough, Dew has two votes as of now, and Titus moved their vote for someone else. Way to draw attention to a random player and go back into the shadow.
My vote stays where it is, unless something convinces me otherwise.
Well considering the vote on Titus followed after your rvs vote I'd make the assumption your read on Titus is semi-serious. If that's the case there is a lack of critical thinking (that may be the wrong phrase and it may be a lack of articulation).
What about Titus pointing out inconsistent voting is scummy? What does it imply about Dorsey's alignment?
In post 53, GrandpaMo wrote:
because i was in rvs?? you have to realize, that was my first couple of posts. i do this in every game. its nai.
some people have posted more, and you're right, it's NAI, but I'll keep my other eye on you still.
UNVOTE: GrandpaMo
Now, now. I'm actually still waiting on A to Z's slot so that I can properly assess everyone, but we still have days until Day ends, so I don't mind waiting. I'll reveal my standing on y'all then
RCEnigma wrote:I'll be able to put some effort towards this game tomorrow or Tuesday morning the latest.
Thoughts with no further context:
Titus town
Grandpa iffy
Dorsey slightly townie
Alwaysnever slightly above dorsey
Greeting is meh
I had something about uhuh but immediately forgot what it was
Dew I've got nothing
Can you at least give some clearance over why I'm above dorsey or why Greeting is 'meh'?
I've moved you back to null actually.
I thought your push against grandpa was promising but we didn't actually see the same thing. With that in mind I have to take the interaction at face value where I wasn't initially if that makes sense.
Greeting is meh because his vote on Titus is really weak but it doesn't definitely mean scum and I've got bigger fish to fry.
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Post #109 (isolation #10) » Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:34 am
Postby RCEnigma »
In post 67, TL The Legend wrote:also random gutreads:
grandpa mo is weird
dew is neutral
dorsey is probably the scummiest rn, but don't really wanna vote em yet (mostly bc i don't wanna omgus, but also because it's really early to put them at plur)
alwaysnever is pretty townie to meh, as is uhuh
titus is town.
finally, RCEnigma is neutral, but slightly town-leaning.
Newbies might have changed but I don't think plurality is a thing in this queue.
What's wrong with OMGUS on your seemingly strongest scumread?
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Post #112 (isolation #13) » Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:47 am
Postby RCEnigma »
In post 96, Greeting wrote:I can smell the desperation of Dorsey to get the attention off himself. I always find this suspicious in mafia games.
What I'm about to say is obvious to (I think) everyone but I want to show my train of thought. The goal of town is to remove all of the mafia. The goal of the mafia is to remove enough townies so that their number equates to that of townies. Since the numbers of mafia are far smaller than that of town, the loss of each mafia goon is, especially at the very beginning of the game, is a bigger blow to the mafia than a loss of a townie being a blow to the town team. In case of this game, from what I've gathered, we have a 2 mafia-7 townies setup. The mafia really
cannot
allow themselves to throw any of those two under the bus, especially in the earliest stage of the game.
That being said, I shall change my vote and VOTE: Dorsey.
How does scum won't bus this early translate into Dorsey!scum?
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Post #113 (isolation #14) » Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:52 am
Postby RCEnigma »
In post 93, Dorsey wrote:I guess I just don't know what content is, because none of what's been presented has looked damnable to me. It might not be RVS, but it's definitely a half-assed voting stage - maybe that's the transition period.
("For once"? How long have we been playing together?)
In post 94, Dorsey wrote:And Titus's Post 89 is jumping into the middle of a conversation and taking it out of context. TL was saying my vote wasn't RVS (it was) and Post 68 was me challenging his push to retroactively declare that. Are games typically this opportunistic?
Titus post is more of an informative one nothing more nothing less, which is how I'm taking it.
Once someone breaks up my pagewall of posts I can get into what I'm viewing as content in terms of indicative behavior or at the very least "clues" towards alignment related tendencies.
But Titus isn't wrong, RVs isn't a set deadline and can be longer or shorter for different slots. It's solely for producing content from an information barren gamestate. This can be from reactions, logic lines, vote movements etc.
In post 110, RCEnigma wrote:SEs being on the top of most readslists + not being engaged as suspects from the beginning makes me think 2 newbies make up the scumteam.
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Post #124 (isolation #16) » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:36 am
Postby RCEnigma »
In post 120, Greeting wrote:In most mafia games I've played, nobody had anything on Day One. I don't believe one can get a strong and very credible read unless they know the other players gaming style really well. Since Titus is apparently an older member and Dew a newer member, it struck me as odd that they tried to get a read over something like that. sure, it was RVS, but the mafia participate in that as well. And their votes will not be so random.
i do this all the time. honestly the first 10 pages or so can be incredibly alignment indicative.
In post 110, RCEnigma wrote:SEs being on the top of most readslists + not being engaged as suspects from the beginning makes me think 2 newbies make up the scumteam.
well im being scumread for literlaly no reason -- look back on the reads, its like i have to explain in baby steps
i dont think this is the case? mind responding to 105?
u dont think we are all town? also i implied the answer in post 115
i said it was a post to generate content so half serious / half rvs.
No that was directed at the "I'm being shit pushed for no reason" bit.
In the same vein that you're crediting Dorsey with a guilty conscious you're in the same boat with your reaction. Neither dew not Dorsey threw a vote down on you.
Also like, my issue with the read that dew/Dorsey aren't aligned is that it doesn't make sense for the interaction, not at the time it was made and not now. It feels forced. Town wants to get out of RVs yeah but it's posed in a way that seems like "town would do it so if people see I'm making 'content' then I'd seem town".
Does that make sense? You yourself don't have any confidence they aren't aligned or you would have put down a vote on one of the two. If you had meant that you don't think they are partners from the interaction then it's a whole different story but that's not how you posed it or went about engaging the slots.
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Post #165 (isolation #22) » Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:47 pm
Postby RCEnigma »
If always flips town then we yeet always/grandpa/tl/dew in not that particular order but it's 2/4 scum with 0 night action input. Even if we miselim D1 and d2 there's 2 scum left in the pool of 3.
On the other hand we could flip always first and if they flip red the last scum is in dew/Dorsey. Pretty confident grandpa would be town with that flip and always chainsawed them on the back of the non-aligned read.
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Post #170 (isolation #24) » Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:00 am
Postby RCEnigma »
Meant greeting.
If you flip red then your push on grandpa becomes an alignment indicative association. Challenging grandpa on that read implicates one of Dorsey/dew since the intent to downplay the read is to discredit it. Which scum wouldn't have an incentive to if both were town. It makes grandpa town in that hypothetical world. He is as of right now in my Poe as I stated before.
That changes on certain flips being certain alignments so in general preflip associatives are not a good tool to build reads with.
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Post #171 (isolation #25) » Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:02 am
Postby RCEnigma »
It's not so much dew has x associative and Dorsey has y. It's just that one would be town in the crossfire of a soft partner defense and it could be either one of them.
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Post #186 (isolation #27) » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:09 pm
Postby RCEnigma »
Fwiw Dorsey you're tied for my top town and honestly I will always have an asterisk next to Titus unless mechanically clear just because I know she has the potential to be very sneaky scum. As of right now she isn't playing to the scumgame I'm familiar with.
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Post #226 (isolation #28) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:18 am
Postby RCEnigma »
In post 196, AlwaysNever wrote:What's the one Titus scumgame you're familiar with, for starters? I'm curious cause it's like she's somehow... restrained herself in her latest posts
You're gonna get me nk'ed bud. Titus town. But if you want a game for reference off the top of my head Boon Warz has low effort Titus!scum for comparison.
That's likely either a wolfy pop on or a wolfy bus.
In post 173, Titus wrote:Plus the sass rarely comes from scum (could be coached but still).
In post 224, Titus wrote:Be careful posting in the future Greeting. If I was the mod, I would not have edited your post unless the content was 18+. I might have spoilered obnoxious gifs. I have no idea what you meant but I guess the mod determined your error wasn't content.
My current theory is TL plus greeting. TL should claim.
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Post #229 (isolation #30) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:26 am
Postby RCEnigma »
That wasn't the right statement to make. I don't need context I need an explanation for the logic gap. I get the TL pop in being gross, Agreed. I get Greeting being towny by proxy (not via the attitude), not really agreed there but I get it. I don't get the jump from TL scum greeting town to TL scum greeting scum.
If you thought greeting could still be scum why the wagon switch?
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Post #231 (isolation #31) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:29 am
Postby RCEnigma »
Yeah I thought there would be confusion, I'm directing that to Titus about her read going:
greeting!scum -> greeting!town/TL!scum ->greeting!scum/TL!scum
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Post #232 (isolation #32) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:31 am
Postby RCEnigma »
What is the universe greeting is town in? Because, yes I had the thought that they could be partners but I'm gonna level and let you know I'm also starting to suspect you are chaining elims here.
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Post #235 (isolation #33) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:42 am
Postby RCEnigma »
209 is very heavy handed for a slot either loosely involved in the game to this point or behind the rest of the town. Strong wording like "obvious scum" etc doesn't line up for a slot that hasn't put an effort into sorting any other slots and they aren't doing much to make themselves look townier either.
But it does look townie if they happen to go hard on a slot flipping scum. There is the chance you (greeting) are town here but then what's the point of TL hyperfocusing on your elim if it just trades 1 town for 1 scum D2. It's not an even trade for scum.
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Post #236 (isolation #34) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:45 am
Postby RCEnigma »
There are only two slots that have brought up the possibly and neither is pushing the issue. But in general you should cover both probably angles and improbable ones as town.
In post 232, RCEnigma wrote:What is the universe greeting is town in? Because, yes I had the thought that they could be partners but I'm gonna level and let you know I'm also starting to suspect you are chaining elims here.
Fair but both of my theories depend on TL scum, hence why I want him first. If he's not scum, I need to reset. If he is scum, chaining is AoK by me.
I mean I don't know why I'm arguing against either elim I'm fine with both. But I'm recognizing Greeting can be scum independent of TL.
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Post #264 (isolation #38) » Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:01 am
Postby RCEnigma »
Greeting/TL has enough scum equity that regardless of the flip we aren't dead in the water AND town gets info d2 to figure out what's going on outside of those two.
TL isn't even willing to fight his wagon off so it's likely that's the eod elim anyways.
Also scum aren't willing to go toe to toe with me ITT and that's fine.
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Post #274 (isolation #42) » Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:56 pm
Postby RCEnigma »
Hmm the elim pool should probably be TL flips town -> greeting, Grandpa, ?? TL flips scum -> uhuh, grandpa...game probably ends before a third candidate is needed.
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Post #277 (isolation #43) » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:05 pm
Postby RCEnigma »
The point isn't necessarily to wagon everyone. You can't really suspect everyone in a given day either. Taking note of slots is fine but spreading focus can make it harder to pin scum down.
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Post #287 (isolation #44) » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:23 pm
Postby RCEnigma »
In post 278, Dorsey wrote:I just thought it was weird that people were skipping over you
Well that's because I have a very obvtown mentality as town in newbie games. This means there are 2 possible realities. Scum are either newbies that lack the charisma to confidently push me without coming out of exchanges looking worse in a 1v1 OR Titus is scum and is going to nk me because it's easier than elimming me and I've been pushing a Titus townread from daystart.
Newbie scum could just nk me as well but you get the gist. It's not worth sharing or discrediting me and drawing attention if I'm not a slot that sees endgame.
I'll humor you Dorsey. what makes TL town in this situation? or a worse elim than greeting? Im not looking for reasons he might not be scum. I'm looking for processes, behaviors, or thinking that indicates they're more likely town than scum. considering the unvote i'll ask you to do the same for greeting. then we can get into discussion on your elim pool.
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Post #330 (isolation #50) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:10 am
Postby RCEnigma »
In post 319, Dorsey wrote:@UhUh - All those votes were the same person/slot.
@RCE - Honestly I'm hoping that he's scum so I look like shit for tomorrow to keep me from dying tonight. I don't see what he's done worse than the rest of this newbie playlist and I feel like he's low hanging fruit because he doesn't post. I have zero confidence in anyone on his wagon.
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Post #355 (isolation #53) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:22 pm
Postby RCEnigma »
In post 352, Dorsey wrote:I was looking through the wiki for it and didn't see any rules on it - if I were scum, could I go V/LA routinely to avoid suspicion? Is that fair game?
I guess, but would be in bad taste. Idk grandpa's situation but Titus takes a fair amount of V/LA time by the nature of her work but I think this V/LA is due to a scheduled mafiascummer meetup? I'm not entirely positive on that.
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Post #356 (isolation #54) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:25 pm
Postby RCEnigma »
In post 343, Dorsey wrote:- I wanted reads on the four players aforementioned because I felt they were floating by with no scrutiny. Other than RCE's reasoning, I don't see why this would happen. (But, even then, "they're scared of me" doesn't seem like that good of a reason if you're in a game full of newbies who don't know who you are.)
This wasn't about being scared of me personally but moreso the SE title. Newb scum are more likely to try and game other newb scum and avoid drawing the attention of the veteran players, naturally. Scumreading them knowing their alignment is an easy way to garner that attention.
Like 107 seems town but 108 doesnt make sense imo. Exactly what "bigger fish" did you have to fry cuz atp u had no other solid sr's. 232 is also weird cuz why are u accusing someone of chainsawing, when u SR one of titus's lim pool. I may be missing some posts but u certainly didnt express 259 prior, what has made u sr almost half the lobby and who are your trs. What made u switch in 295 from Greeting/TL to Dew/TL?.
In 108 I was still pursuing the discrepancy with what Grandpa was pushing. Which was that there is 1 scum within dew/Dorsey but they weren't willing to throw a vote down in what would be a 50/50 shot to hit scum in their pool. It didn't line up with the confidence they had in that read at the time.
I'll reread 232 to give a more concise answer but I think it was about Titus setting elims up? I was exploring the possible world of Titus!scum and both Greeting/TL being town. Because instead of setting it up as "elim x and then reevaluate on d2" it was more along the lines of "If x elim is town then y is surely scum"
Half the lobby got scummy. Uhuh had dubious posting dew has been a nonfactor, Titus I have paranoia about, grandpa hasn't really left my scumpool. I haven't openly expressed updated reads but Dorsey and always never are fairly towny. They are the only slots I won't consider an elim on today at any rate.
Greeting + TL was never a pairing that I was pushing but was a theory I was willing to put some thought into after the fact because I thought their interactions at the time weren't great so I dove a little deeper to figure out why they actually pinged me weirdly then I presented it. Why did I put forward that dew/TL could be a pairing? Well I don't actually remember. Tried to go through their iso just now to jog my memory but no shot. Maybe it was just the thought that a partner going down would kill their drive to play?
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Post #358 (isolation #56) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:44 pm
Postby RCEnigma »
In post 334, HockeyFan wrote:I am {assuming} this is a meme but what prompted u to say. IIrc u said somewhere that u have past experience with Titus, so is this general entrance town for titus?
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Post #364 (isolation #57) » Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:25 am
Postby RCEnigma »
I never said uhuh was an SE.
Roles are chosen at random. An SE being scum in the handful of games you looked at vs the thousands of newbie games played on site doesn't make it any more likely that an SE is scum here in this game.