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This post is probably +townIn post 20, MightyCannon wrote:[gifv][/gifv]Yeah
viewtopic.php?p=13523476&sid=68a4462b2d ... #p13523476 feels too polite :sus:
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I guess mostly vibes atp but ehIn post 27, NorwegianboyEE wrote:What makes you think they don't care for impression?Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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This feels like a lot of words to say close to nothing of substance. What is there feels flawed but atp thats par based on what to go off of.In post 32, BloodB0t wrote:I'd carry this dead game if I knew how. So far Norwegian seems the most townie to me from the effort level, but there's not much competition, and... I guess it could be faked? Not much to go on here. But if we want to chalk things up to 'vibes', I feel Norwegian is being sincere.
I wanted to hear more from FancyPants before mentioning this, but his vote on me pings me slightly townie because it reminds me of how I approached the opening of my last game. Also a pretty vibes-based read.
town!Wayward was much more friendly and talkative during our last game. But I was also critical of him for that so maybe that could explain the inactivity. Still, going from one of the most active players last game to one of the least active players this game seems odd to me.
VOTE: MegAzumarill I love wagons. MegAzumarill seems to be doing the most to steer the game without providing much of substance to actually help town. Therefor, sus. That puts them at E-2.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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This is about the same in retrospectIn post 23, BloodB0t wrote:@TLM: Yeah, you're probably right. I felt a little defensive because the two votes on me came with explanations that sound at least feasible. I also thought maybe I couldn't see any of Luto's posts because I was bugged. But yeah, Wayward's vote has gotta be one justified by humor.
@MightyCannon: Could you please choose a profile pic? It will make it easier to identify your posts.
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Consider it'sIn post 59, BloodB0t wrote:
Not sure how you figure that MC doesn't care for impressions... they could be trying to make an impression of being very casual. Also not exactly sure how not caring for impressions is a pro town thing. Looking at the content of the post you praised, there wasn't any substance to it. You pinged me for lack of substance. Has anything about your read changed since then in the light of my further posting?In post 26, MegAzumarill wrote:Doesn't really care for impressions just posting a genuine thought
A. an early scumread
B. unapoligetic about how little the reasoning its based off of
C. Not based arbitrarily (RVS)
D. Isn't used as a shade in context
Yeah anyone can do anything as any alignment sure but I feel this combination favors town!MC because scum would choose tobswap one or more of those to try and help their win con.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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A good way to put it is the disparity between the amount you are posting and the amount you are saying. It feels unnecessarily wordy which gives the impression of more focusing on looking like you are helping than actually helping.
In addition you do seem fairly concerned with people's impressions of you and often focus that in your interactions.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Want to hear more from themIn post 74, FancyPants wrote:
@Waywayrd, why is bloodbot town?In post 46, Wayward Son wrote:After a quick reread through, BloodBot and NorwegienboyEE are my Town leans for now.
These are very weak (P2) reads. BloodBot because of a kind of comradery, NorwegienboyEE because I like his posts so far.
I feel so lonely in this Town.
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Think of it like thisIn post 95, THE LARGE MAN wrote:
I understand this but in general if someone is thinking along the same lines as me and coming to similar conclusions that would be a reason I'd town read them (as long as it seems organic). Given that this isn't the case for FancyPants I would want to know the other reasons that he town leans you.In post 93, Wayward Son wrote:
I don't know anything about your experience level, and I mean this as SE advice (I know I haven't earned it yet) but disagreeing with your Town reads is a thing. I'm interested in the answer though.In post 92, THE LARGE MAN wrote:Why are you town leaning Wayward? Especially since he disagrees with you on your hardest mafia read.
If you find someone as town for a particular reason, and someone else finds them as town for the same reason, without you stating the reason, you can apply this logic.
The reason it doesn't work otherwise is copying is cheap andbeasy for scum and that scum can reach any conclusion they choose with confidence since they know everyone's alignment.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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That's not particularly what's being referred to here.In post 107, FancyPants wrote:
Nowegian's whole approach seems anti town at best and scummy at worst.In post 100, BloodB0t wrote:Fancypants seems scummy, I hope that's not just OMGUS from me.
@FancyPants What do you find weird about Norw wanting to be detached and unbiased?
I like Wayward and The Large Man as town.
Luto I'm not worried about. We can chalk it up to vibes. But I wish he was more active.
Norw still town. I can related to feeling the need to change to a more detached and unbiased style.
@Bloodbot, what's your opinion about being "detached and unbiased"?
Towniees don't know shit. Every townie by default is detached and unbiased, stating this outright is anti town at best, do you disagree?
That said Norwe wants to drop the topic, wanting to change style is NAI, and I see no reason to not just take it at face value here so I'd suggest we all drop itImprefection is the spice of life.-
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I am mostly of the opinion this is correct although I'd swap MC for Wayward Son.In post 108, FancyPants wrote:Also wayward and TGM are town, I love the latter's paranoid.
Be afraid scum I'm coming for you
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2 scum are in there four.
Honestly wouldn't be surprised at a Bloodbot/Wayward team.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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The difference you miss here is that Luto is doing this over a particular push they think is poor, either in intention or substance.In post 142, THE LARGE MAN wrote:
I've just ISOed LutoTheController and he is fitting this description incredibly well imo. See:In post 104, Space wrote: As of my 2 town and scum reads, I would say Bloodbot reads scum due to being defensive and aggressive seemingly at the same time
In post 103, LutoTheController wrote: What do you even call this post? "Meh, just read that guy's ISO"In post 115, LutoTheController wrote: I think you are dodging my implied question. What exactly in my ISO do you find interesting? If you felt my interaction with Norwee were forced/insincere, then why not lead with that and not making everyone else do your homework?
This combined with no game solving apart from a pretty wishy washy town read:In post 123, LutoTheController wrote: So why didn't you mention this in the first place? It just seems like you want to rush a mislim on me and had to come up with something.
seems very typical over defensive mafia. VOTE: LutoTheControllerIn post 70, LutoTheController wrote:I think Norwee is town. Their interactions they had just strikes me as a townie chatting everyone up.
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I don't really know what you are trying to say here. Could you reiterate (besides the me tunneling you part I got that)In post 161, BloodB0t wrote:Exactly, if Meg is town, then he's tunneling on me hard. And having "good reasoning" doesn't exonerate one from being scum or necessarily prove towniness. The two scums that I found in my last games had arguably the best reasoning in those games. It's entirely plausible for townies to be hunting and finding scum without being able to articulate a perfect reasoning for their findings. So the point of "good reasoning" is moot.
What matters more than reasoning is motivation. That's how I found scum in my last games while everyone was swayed by their "good reasoning". Sue me for being "too wordy" here, but that's also something arguably NAI.
I would consider sorting to be an operation of comparing different possibilities, but it looks more like Meg has simply 'targeted' me.
Are you trying to argue I'm not pushing you based on motivations?Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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FMPOV you are scummy and likely to flip scum, ergo pushing there helps town. If you are town then obviously limming you helps scum. That essentially boils down to you are wrong and therefore scum.
Do you have a reason why I would prefer pushing an active player as scum as opposed to one with little retaliation (i.e. Space, MC. Luto?) That would equally advance my win con as scum would it not? I in theory would have a NK to throw your way if I wanted you dead from your contributions?Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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In post 32, BloodB0t wrote:I'd carry this dead game if I knew how. So far Norwegian seems the most townie to me from the effort level, but there's not much competition, and... I guess it could be faked? Not much to go on here. But if we want to chalk things up to 'vibes', I feel Norwegian is being sincere.
I wanted to hear more from FancyPants before mentioning this, but his vote on me pings me slightly townie because it reminds me of how I approached the opening of my last game. Also a pretty vibes-based read.
town!Wayward was much more friendly and talkative during our last game. But I was also critical of him for that so maybe that could explain the inactivity. Still, going from one of the most active players last game to one of the least active players this game seems odd to me.
VOTE: MegAzumarill I love wagons. MegAzumarill seems to be doing the most to steer the game without providing much of substance to actually help town. Therefor, sus. That puts them at E-2.In post 114, BloodB0t wrote:Maybe just OMGUS, but I got the vibe that you were scum jumping on me because I'm "low hanging fruit".
75 Reads pro town to me though. I got a mixed read on you.
VOTE: MightyCannon This could also be OMGUS but they haven't done anything but throw shade at me without much behind it.
Meg is reading more townie to me.
As opposed to shooting at 4 different players for whichever sticks the best. Then settling on an OMGUSIn post 128, BloodB0t wrote:In post 120, MightyCannon wrote: Also many people are townreadig wayward rn for really no reason rn ,u can say the same reason for slots like NorwegianboyEE but i think their posts do feel genuine although there arent many indulging posts by them so i dont think they are a hard town rn
Yeah I'm not really sure about my town reads on wayward and NBEE anymore. Hopefully NBEE's promised upcoming reflections will provide something alignment indicative. Town Wayward from last game was also much more laissez-fair. I don't really like his push on Luto.
@Wayward Can you explain what about the whole game made you read me as town before you posted 46 because at this point I'm feeling like it could be a pocket attempt, just cashing in on my initial friendliness towards you.
VOTE: Wayward Son
(Not a fair comparison because RVS I know but still reflective of your play)Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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noIn post 171, furtiveglance wrote:
Yeah welcome meIn post 170, Phenenas wrote:FancyPants has been replaced by furtiveglance, please welcome them to the game!Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Welcome!In post 181, Phenenas wrote:LutoTheController has been replaced. Please welcome Sterling the steampunk to the game!Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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I mean Space has a 3 post ISO. I find what they have done +town enough that I would prefer an elim not there to it but they still fit intobPoE for me. Will get back with my Wayward thoughts in a bitIn post 202, NorwegianboyEE wrote:After Meg talks.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Ok so Wayward I mainly have partnered with Bloodb0t if they are scum. Theres a number of weird interactions. Early on Wayward calls out Bloodb0t on reading a sotuation wrong, but still expresses a town read on them. Both end up TRing each other for ??? reasons. Then Bloodb0t 180s his read on Wayward and Wayward sees the same thing (reading the situation wrong) but only this time decides to also retract his TR.
Theres some more points of weirdness like tying someone to a scum!Blood lim IIRC.
I don't really think their posts in general are scummy and are probably +town if Blood does flip townImprefection is the spice of life.-
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I mean this is probably a bad post but I fail to find another unless theres the s/s shenanigains I previously mentionedIn post 105, Wayward Son wrote:
Before this post, your ISO was 5 posts long. Which of those 5 do you feel spews you Town? Can you sum up for me (us) what you think is our best direction?In post 103, LutoTheController wrote:What do you even call this post? "Meh, just read that guy's ISO"
69 is the most game relevant post you've made so far (in my opinion). 3 other posts are aimed at NorwegianBoyEE but none feel sincere. In 70 you say you Town read NorwegianboyEE, but in 84 you're throwing shade again.
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Primarily because of Fancy's play here, its like half vibes byt I am pretty sure its correctIn post 211, MightyCannon wrote:I think get all of these except furtive maybe u explained it earlier but can you explain that tooImprefection is the spice of life.-
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They don't but the point of early pressure is often to force players to engage moreIn post 223, Sterling the steampunk wrote:Basically he was the first to vote me up even though neither I nor the guy I'm replacing posted, unless people booted out have their posts removed, then I'd be willing to reconsider.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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I'll just drop this here for Sterling.In post 1, Phenenas wrote:Random Voting Stage (RVS)
Games on MafiaScum almost always begin with what we call the Random Voting Stage (RVS). At this point in the game, we are in a low information game state (except the mafia, which know everyone’s alignment). As a way to provoke reaction, start a discussion, and try to determine alignment, people will usually vote for non-serious reasons. As the discussion progresses, we will eventually get the game moving and progress out of RVS.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Also no, people replaced keep their posts in the thread.In post 223, Sterling the steampunk wrote:Basically he was the first to vote me up even though neither I nor the guy I'm replacing posted, unless people booted out have their posts removed, then I'd be willing to reconsider.
The thing is Wayward was making an early vote for arbitrary reasons (we all were) and saying stuff like that in non-seriiusness isn't uncommon.
More intriguing is your thoughts on the rest of the game
I don't really like TLM's push on this. For a new player this feels luke a fair judgement to make lacking the context.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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In post 229, MegAzumarill wrote:
Also no, people replaced keep their posts in the thread.In post 223, Sterling the steampunk wrote:Basically he was the first to vote me up even though neither I nor the guy I'm replacing posted, unless people booted out have their posts removed, then I'd be willing to reconsider.
The thing is Wayward was making an early vote for arbitrary reasons (we all were) and saying stuff like that in non-seriiusness isn't uncommon.
More intriguing is your thoughts on the rest of the game
I don't really like TLM's push on this. For a new player this feels luke a fair judgement to make lacking the context.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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1. In general don't claim unless you hit E-1.In post 242, Player6 wrote:hello! I am vanilla town. please don't vote me. I would like to start off my mafiascum career with a win! Thanks
2. We aren't in RVS, I just brought it up because Sterling was missing the context of when we were in RVS when he was referring to something.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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They doIn post 253, THE LARGE MAN wrote:I'm seeing them both be mafia potentially. Mafia don't have day talk in these games right?
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I mean I don't really see value in doing anything else here. I've shared what I got which isn't a lot but I won't pretend to feel more strongly about it than I do.In post 280, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I see 5 hours left approx. I’ll hammer when it’s like 1 hour ish left if nothing happens before then since Mega seems like they’ve given up no matter what their allignment is.
I realistically die tomorrow if there is a no-lim so same logic as to why elims are compulsory hereImprefection is the spice of life.-
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