Newbie 2103 | Endgame

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: The Large Man

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Vote MegaAzumarill
Do I know you?

PS?

Name sounds familiar

[MegAzumarill]

I've played with both SEs and I believe technically offsite with mighty cannon (though I have no notable memories of how they play)

Happy to see the new faces.

[MegAzumarill]

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VOTE: Vote MegaAzumarill
Do I know you?

PS?

Name sounds familiar

Yeah


viewtopic.php?p=13523476&sid=68a4462b2d ... #p13523476 feels too polite :sus:
VOTE: BloodBot

This post is probably +town

[MegAzumarill]

Doesn't really care for impressions just posting a genuine thought

[MegAzumarill]

What makes you think they don't care for impression?

I guess mostly vibes atp but eh

[MegAzumarill]

Policy lims in general aren't wise.
As for the inactives here who haven't posted.
If they were here they'd have posted as either alignment. Just leave it for now we can read the replacements.

[MegAzumarill]

I'd carry this dead game if I knew how. So far Norwegian seems the most townie to me from the effort level, but there's not much competition, and... I guess it could be faked? Not much to go on here. But if we want to chalk things up to 'vibes', I feel Norwegian is being sincere.

I wanted to hear more from FancyPants before mentioning this, but his vote on me pings me slightly townie because it reminds me of how I approached the opening of my last game. Also a pretty vibes-based read.

town!Wayward was much more friendly and talkative during our last game. But I was also critical of him for that so maybe that could explain the inactivity. Still, going from one of the most active players last game to one of the least active players this game seems odd to me.

VOTE: MegAzumarill I love wagons. MegAzumarill seems to be doing the most to steer the game without providing much of substance to actually help town. Therefor, sus. That puts them at E-2.

This feels like a lot of words to say close to nothing of substance. What is there feels flawed but atp thats par based on what to go off of.

[MegAzumarill]

@TLM: Yeah, you're probably right. I felt a little defensive because the two votes on me came with explanations that sound at least feasible. I also thought maybe I couldn't see any of Luto's posts because I was bugged. But yeah, Wayward's vote has gotta be one justified by humor.

@MightyCannon: Could you please choose a profile pic? It will make it easier to identify your posts.

@The silent people: Say something!

This is about the same in retrospect

[MegAzumarill]

Game Necromancy

[MegAzumarill]

Doesn't really care for impressions just posting a genuine thought

Not sure how you figure that MC doesn't care for impressions... they could be trying to make an impression of being very casual. Also not exactly sure how not caring for impressions is a pro town thing. Looking at the content of the post you praised, there wasn't any substance to it. You pinged me for lack of substance. Has anything about your read changed since then in the light of my further posting?

Consider it's
A. an early scumread
B. unapoligetic about how little the reasoning its based off of
C. Not based arbitrarily (RVS)
D. Isn't used as a shade in context

Yeah anyone can do anything as any alignment sure but I feel this combination favors town!MC because scum would choose tobswap one or more of those to try and help their win con.

[MegAzumarill]

I have some words here I think can explain my feelings toward your slot rn but I need some time to find them.Gaving some mixed feelings atm.

[MegAzumarill]

A good way to put it is the disparity between the amount you are posting and the amount you are saying. It feels unnecessarily wordy which gives the impression of more focusing on looking like you are helping than actually helping.

In addition you do seem fairly concerned with people's impressions of you and often focus that in your interactions.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: LutoTheController

Feeling Marginally better about TLM atm, probably would vote Bloodbot here if it wasn't putting them on E-1

[MegAzumarill]

Town's wincon is furthered when they figure out other's peoples alignments.
Scum's wincon is furthered when they convince people they are town.

Tell me which one that would be closer to

[MegAzumarill]

After a quick reread through, BloodBot and NorwegienboyEE are my Town leans for now.

These are very weak (P2) reads. BloodBot because of a kind of comradery, NorwegienboyEE because I like his posts so far.

I feel so lonely in this Town.

@Waywayrd, why is bloodbot town?

@Meg, What's your Luto vote about?

Want to hear more from them

[MegAzumarill]

Why are you town leaning Wayward? Especially since he disagrees with you on your hardest mafia read.

I don't know anything about your experience level, and I mean this as SE advice (I know I haven't earned it yet) but disagreeing with your Town reads is a thing. I'm interested in the answer though.

I understand this but in general if someone is thinking along the same lines as me and coming to similar conclusions that would be a reason I'd town read them (as long as it seems organic). Given that this isn't the case for FancyPants I would want to know the other reasons that he town leans you.

Think of it like this
If you find someone as town for a particular reason, and someone else finds them as town for the same reason, without you stating the reason, you can apply this logic.

The reason it doesn't work otherwise is copying is cheap andbeasy for scum and that scum can reach any conclusion they choose with confidence since they know everyone's alignment.

[MegAzumarill]

The converse however is not true, because many player interperet things very differently, especially in Newbies

[MegAzumarill]

What makes you sure of Wayward town?

[MegAzumarill]

Fancypants seems scummy, I hope that's not just OMGUS from me.

@FancyPants What do you find weird about Norw wanting to be detached and unbiased?

I like Wayward and The Large Man as town.

Luto I'm not worried about. We can chalk it up to vibes. But I wish he was more active.

Norw still town. I can related to feeling the need to change to a more detached and unbiased style.

Nowegian's whole approach seems anti town at best and scummy at worst.

@Bloodbot, what's your opinion about being "detached and unbiased"?

Towniees don't know shit. Every townie by default is detached and unbiased, stating this outright is anti town at best, do you disagree?

That's not particularly what's being referred to here.

That said Norwe wants to drop the topic, wanting to change style is NAI, and I see no reason to not just take it at face value here so I'd suggest we all drop it

[MegAzumarill]

I am here and will post later today

[MegAzumarill]

Also wayward and TGM are town, I love the latter's paranoid.

Be afraid scum I'm coming for you

Space
Luto
MightyCannon
BloodB0t

2 scum are in there four.

I am mostly of the opinion this is correct although I'd swap MC for Wayward Son.

Honestly wouldn't be surprised at a Bloodbot/Wayward team.

[MegAzumarill]

A big part of my provlem with Bloodbot this game is it's hard to distinguish if I'm having a playstyle clash with them or if they are just scum.

It feels like the former but it's hard to fully discount the latter

[MegAzumarill]

BloodB0t on review feels really wishywashy/hedgey and I really don't like it for town. What they do have as consitant feels more telegraphed, like they want to be able to show a line of progression rather than just commiting to their reads.
I'll VOTE: BloodB0t

E-1

[MegAzumarill]

As of my 2 town and scum reads, I would say Bloodbot reads scum due to being defensive and aggressive seemingly at the same time

I've just ISOed LutoTheController and he is fitting this description incredibly well imo. See:

What do you even call this post? "Meh, just read that guy's ISO"

I think you are dodging my implied question. What exactly in my ISO do you find interesting? If you felt my interaction with Norwee were forced/insincere, then why not lead with that and not making everyone else do your homework?

So why didn't you mention this in the first place? It just seems like you want to rush a mislim on me and had to come up with something.

This combined with no game solving apart from a pretty wishy washy town read:

I think Norwee is town. Their interactions they had just strikes me as a townie chatting everyone up.

seems very typical over defensive mafia. VOTE: LutoTheController

The difference you miss here is that Luto is doing this over a particular push they think is poor, either in intention or substance.

I also don't see how 70 is wishy-washy

[MegAzumarill]

I mean its pretty clearly just giving a townread I don't see what you are saying

[MegAzumarill]

There's a difference between changing reads and continously changing reads. You are doing the latter and I feel like scum!you in this situation is very uncomfy with the game state and has to keep trying different paths to avoid being elimmed.

[MegAzumarill]

I mean I've sorted you as mafia and been fairly clear with my reasoning. I can reevaluate tomorrow If I'm invorrect but I don't see what you are saying here

[MegAzumarill]

Exactly, if Meg is town, then he's tunneling on me hard. And having "good reasoning" doesn't exonerate one from being scum or necessarily prove towniness. The two scums that I found in my last games had arguably the best reasoning in those games. It's entirely plausible for townies to be hunting and finding scum without being able to articulate a perfect reasoning for their findings. So the point of "good reasoning" is moot.

What matters more than reasoning is motivation. That's how I found scum in my last games while everyone was swayed by their "good reasoning". Sue me for being "too wordy" here, but that's also something arguably NAI.

I would consider sorting to be an operation of comparing different possibilities, but it looks more like Meg has simply 'targeted' me.

I don't really know what you are trying to say here. Could you reiterate (besides the me tunneling you part I got that)

Are you trying to argue I'm not pushing you based on motivations?

[MegAzumarill]

FMPOV you are scummy and likely to flip scum, ergo pushing there helps town. If you are town then obviously limming you helps scum. That essentially boils down to you are wrong and therefore scum.

Do you have a reason why I would prefer pushing an active player as scum as opposed to one with little retaliation (i.e. Space, MC. Luto?) That would equally advance my win con as scum would it not? I in theory would have a NK to throw your way if I wanted you dead from your contributions?

[MegAzumarill]

I'd carry this dead game if I knew how. So far Norwegian seems the most townie to me from the effort level, but there's not much competition, and... I guess it could be faked? Not much to go on here. But if we want to chalk things up to 'vibes', I feel Norwegian is being sincere.

I wanted to hear more from FancyPants before mentioning this, but his vote on me pings me slightly townie because it reminds me of how I approached the opening of my last game. Also a pretty vibes-based read.

town!Wayward was much more friendly and talkative during our last game. But I was also critical of him for that so maybe that could explain the inactivity. Still, going from one of the most active players last game to one of the least active players this game seems odd to me.

VOTE: MegAzumarill I love wagons. MegAzumarill seems to be doing the most to steer the game without providing much of substance to actually help town. Therefor, sus. That puts them at E-2.

Also why an I scummy in your eyes?

Maybe just OMGUS, but I got the vibe that you were scum jumping on me because I'm "low hanging fruit".

75 Reads pro town to me though. I got a mixed read on you.

VOTE: MightyCannon This could also be OMGUS but they haven't done anything but throw shade at me without much behind it.

Meg is reading more townie to me.

Also many people are townreadig wayward rn for really no reason rn ,u can say the same reason for slots like NorwegianboyEE but i think their posts do feel genuine although there arent many indulging posts by them so i dont think they are a hard town rn

Yeah I'm not really sure about my town reads on wayward and NBEE anymore. Hopefully NBEE's promised upcoming reflections will provide something alignment indicative. Town Wayward from last game was also much more laissez-fair. I don't really like his push on Luto.

@Wayward Can you explain what about the whole game made you read me as town before you posted 46 because at this point I'm feeling like it could be a pocket attempt, just cashing in on my initial friendliness towards you.

VOTE: Wayward Son

As opposed to shooting at 4 different players for whichever sticks the best. Then settling on an OMGUS

(Not a fair comparison because RVS I know but still reflective of your play)

[MegAzumarill]

FancyPants has been replaced by furtiveglance, please welcome them to the game!

Yeah welcome me

no

[MegAzumarill]

LutoTheController has been replaced. Please welcome Sterling the steampunk to the game!

Welcome!

[MegAzumarill]

Ur welcome

[MegAzumarill]

After Meg talks.

I mean Space has a 3 post ISO. I find what they have done +town enough that I would prefer an elim not there to it but they still fit intobPoE for me. Will get back with my Wayward thoughts in a bit

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Ok so Wayward I mainly have partnered with Bloodb0t if they are scum. Theres a number of weird interactions. Early on Wayward calls out Bloodb0t on reading a sotuation wrong, but still expresses a town read on them. Both end up TRing each other for ??? reasons. Then Bloodb0t 180s his read on Wayward and Wayward sees the same thing (reading the situation wrong) but only this time decides to also retract his TR.

Theres some more points of weirdness like tying someone to a scum!Blood lim IIRC.

I don't really think their posts in general are scummy and are probably +town if Blood does flip town

[MegAzumarill]

What do you even call this post? "Meh, just read that guy's ISO"

Before this post, your ISO was 5 posts long. Which of those 5 do you feel spews you Town? Can you sum up for me (us) what you think is our best direction?

69 is the most game relevant post you've made so far (in my opinion). 3 other posts are aimed at NorwegianBoyEE but none feel sincere. In 70 you say you Town read NorwegianboyEE, but in 84 you're throwing shade again.

My vote stays, for now.

I mean this is probably a bad post but I fail to find another unless theres the s/s shenanigains I previously mentioned

[MegAzumarill]

Reads RN for me are

Norwee
Furtive
MC

Luto /Wayward/Space

Blood

[MegAzumarill]

I think get all of these except furtive maybe u explained it earlier but can you explain that too

Primarily because of Fancy's play here, its like half vibes byt I am pretty sure its correct

[MegAzumarill]

Basically he was the first to vote me up even though neither I nor the guy I'm replacing posted, unless people booted out have their posts removed, then I'd be willing to reconsider.

They don't but the point of early pressure is often to force players to engage more

[MegAzumarill]

Lemme check context real quick

[MegAzumarill]

Random Voting Stage (RVS)
Games on MafiaScum almost always begin with what we call the Random Voting Stage (RVS). At this point in the game, we are in a low information game state (except the mafia, which know everyone’s alignment). As a way to provoke reaction, start a discussion, and try to determine alignment, people will usually vote for non-serious reasons. As the discussion progresses, we will eventually get the game moving and progress out of RVS.

I'll just drop this here for Sterling.

[MegAzumarill]

Basically he was the first to vote me up even though neither I nor the guy I'm replacing posted, unless people booted out have their posts removed, then I'd be willing to reconsider.

Also no, people replaced keep their posts in the thread.
The thing is Wayward was making an early vote for arbitrary reasons (we all were) and saying stuff like that in non-seriiusness isn't uncommon.

More intriguing is your thoughts on the rest of the game

I don't really like TLM's push on this. For a new player this feels luke a fair judgement to make lacking the context.

[MegAzumarill]

Basically he was the first to vote me up even though neither I nor the guy I'm replacing posted, unless people booted out have their posts removed, then I'd be willing to reconsider.

Also no, people replaced keep their posts in the thread.
The thing is Wayward was making an early vote for arbitrary reasons (we all were) and saying stuff like that in non-seriiusness isn't uncommon.

More intriguing is your thoughts on the rest of the game

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I don't really like TLM's push on this. For a new player this feels luke a fair judgement to make lacking the context.

[MegAzumarill]

hello! I am vanilla town. please don't vote me. I would like to start off my mafiascum career with a win! Thanks

1. In general don't claim unless you hit E-1.
2. We aren't in RVS, I just brought it up because Sterling was missing the context of when we were in RVS when he was referring to something.

[MegAzumarill]

@large Man
Talk about what you’re seeing in Mega deflecting Luto?

I'm seeing them both be mafia potentially. Mafia don't have day talk in these games right?

They do

[MegAzumarill]

I am VT.

I think there's a good chance the majority of my wagon is town. It feels more consensusy and less explicitly driven. I do think Norwe and furtive are town, as well as mighty less confidently

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y

[MegAzumarill]

no

[MegAzumarill]

I cannot guarentee being around before deadline.
I'd rather be limmed than a no-lim here.
VOTE: MegAzumarill

Good luck

[MegAzumarill]

[E-1]

[MegAzumarill]

I see 5 hours left approx. I’ll hammer when it’s like 1 hour ish left if nothing happens before then since Mega seems like they’ve given up no matter what their allignment is.

I mean I don't really see value in doing anything else here. I've shared what I got which isn't a lot but I won't pretend to feel more strongly about it than I do.

I realistically die tomorrow if there is a no-lim so same logic as to why elims are compulsory here

[MegAzumarill]

I am town, catch you on the flipside

[MegAzumarill]

gg all

Was definitely off base here. Town won in spite though

[MegAzumarill]

I think there's a setting you can turn on to automatically attach signatures

[MegAzumarill]

AFAIK alting as a newbie is not allowed