Why the sole focus in how dio changed his playstyle? A change of playstyle is not indicative of a change of alignment, different game different way to play, it's not productive to hold a player to their meta unless it's so fundamentally different between themIn post 1174, bewolkt wrote:I remember well what happened but I still don't see why would you change your game then. You received heat especially from one player, you defended yourself well which gave you a good amount of cred (imo) and at the end of the day the player that tunnelled on you was voted out by the rest. A loss from the point of view of the game because in the end it was town vs town but I think you can see it as a validation of your gameplay.In post 1151, Dionysus wrote: Take a second and think what might have happened in the last game that has encouraged me to make posts like that
Besides, my opinion on RVS hasn't changed. I have said as much in this thread already (can't find the post but it is there).
So what should I get here? You didn't really think what you expressed on those initial posts?
Also I feel that in this game you have been trying to move the conversation away from you by just trying to push other players, which I also don't think you did on the previous game. Do you agree with this? And if so, was that also an concious attempt?
But I want to stress that his is not about your early game RVS but the fact that I see a very different way of playing than when I saw you playing as town
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EBWO2PIn post 1198, KawaiiKame wrote:
Why the sole focus in how dio changed his playstyle? A change of playstyle is not indicative of a change of alignment, different game different way to play, it's not productive to hold a player to their meta unless it's so fundamentally different between gamesIn post 1174, bewolkt wrote:
I remember well what happened but I still don't see why would you change your game then. You received heat especially from one player, you defended yourself well which gave you a good amount of cred (imo) and at the end of the day the player that tunnelled on you was voted out by the rest. A loss from the point of view of the game because in the end it was town vs town but I think you can see it as a validation of your gameplay.In post 1151, Dionysus wrote: Take a second and think what might have happened in the last game that has encouraged me to make posts like that
Besides, my opinion on RVS hasn't changed. I have said as much in this thread already (can't find the post but it is there).
So what should I get here? You didn't really think what you expressed on those initial posts?
Also I feel that in this game you have been trying to move the conversation away from you by just trying to push other players, which I also don't think you did on the previous game. Do you agree with this? And if so, was that also an concious attempt?
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How do I deepen the depth of my thought?In post 1183, Empathice wrote: Kawaii I think had a little (shallow) depth to their thought that was hard to see and normally when you are fakesolving you want people to see your solving.
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EBWO2PIn post 1200, KawaiiKame wrote:
How do I deepen the depth of my thought?In post 1183, Empathice wrote: Kawaii I think had a little (shallow) depth to their thought that was hard to see and normally when you are fakesolving you want people to see your solving.
In confusion with me being #2 town yet potentially fakesolving FYP0V-
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Empath is on the upswing in feeling town to me, shifting away the dio tunnel, focusing in on patch/beowulf/fruitive
Logically though it's hard to dismiss how calculated this all feels, Empath goes all in on dio (potential bussing gambit) thunderdoming dio only to back away when a vote push on patch builds, switching between them and dio finally landing on patch, even not accepting my dio vote deal to unvote empath/patch, unvoting patch in the night to wait on bewolkt, then voting back patch when bewolkt defends them, simultaneously moving away the emp + dio votes to the patch vote with fruitive + bewolkt
It's potentially feign an all in gambit against dio w/ thunderdoming, switching between dio/patches, unvoting patches, waiting on the new slots, vote patch, gun in on the new slots, achieving dio + emp heat being taken off while scapegoating patches and lining up votes on bewolkt/fruitive-
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Being influenced by compelling logic is a fatal flaw I have, if someone's logic is sound I play into it, just because someone reads scum to me doesn't mean I dismiss their logic, anyone's logic can be good and should be usedIn post 1203, Empathice wrote: TBH you're influenced really easily. You shouldn't sheep people you SR even if they make a compelling case. It can get rather ugly from experience.
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Being influenced by compelling logic is a fatal flaw I have, if someone's logic is sound I play into it, just because someone reads scum to me doesn't mean I dismiss their logic, anyone's logic can be good and should be usedIn post 1203, Empathice wrote: TBH you're influenced really easily. You shouldn't sheep people you SR even if they make a compelling case. It can get rather ugly from experience.
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Makes sense, I took this in a negative light, though I had a feeling you meant I have slight depth, who's the #2 town in your eyes now?In post 1203, Empathice wrote: I Was saying there was a little hidden depth to your thought and if you're fakesolving you're going to want people to see your solving. You should only be a townlean probably actually.-
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Thank you though, I will keep this in mindIn post 1203, Empathice wrote: TBH you're influenced really easily. You shouldn't sheep people you SR even if they make a compelling case. It can get rather ugly from experience.-
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Alternate theory: Wolves split between voting/not voting Patch, one wolf in each voting base/camp, town thought is divided between seeing patch as wolf/inno so this divide is easy to slip into/exploit, though the wolves is potentially in the patch vote, might be dio/emp only feigning an all in gambit only to move united against patch, the scapegoat voteIn post 1077, Black wrote:
If patchwork flips town I feel there there is at least one wolf hereIn post 1067, Thestatusquo wrote:
If the alternate theory exists it can be bewolkt/fruitive, seeing town being divided by the patch vote fruitive would go in defending patch while fruitive would be against patch while not voting patch, instead focusing in on dio
I realize now patch/bewolkt is most likely if bewolkt is wolf as Empath stated, wolves would benefit in hammering patch in this if patch is not a wolf-
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It isn't, you have a readlist informed by this game alone?In post 1210, bewolkt wrote:In post 1180, Dionysus wrote:I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth. I engaged in good faith.
Yes because I'm town and I think there is scum in patches/emp/kawaii. I don't see why this would be suspicious? The objective of the game is generally to move heat from you onto players you think are scum. Besides the push on me is based on nonsense imo.I didn't say you said it. I asked a question. I wanted to know to which extent that was influencing your game.
And the suspicious part comes from the fact that from my view you didn't act this way in the other way, and not only on the rvs.
But I will drop it for now because it might be true that I am getting fixated in that and it's not fair to the others that weren't there. I will give it a vote of confidence but I'm not fully convinced-
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Thank you with backing away dio's meta btwIn post 1212, KawaiiKame wrote:
It isn't, you have a readlist informed by this game alone?In post 1210, bewolkt wrote:In post 1180, Dionysus wrote:I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth. I engaged in good faith.
Yes because I'm town and I think there is scum in patches/emp/kawaii. I don't see why this would be suspicious? The objective of the game is generally to move heat from you onto players you think are scum. Besides the push on me is based on nonsense imo.I didn't say you said it. I asked a question. I wanted to know to which extent that was influencing your game.
And the suspicious part comes from the fact that from my view you didn't act this way in the other way, and not only on the rvs.
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Why the change of mind of dio being wolf w/ patch to being #3 in town?In post 1215, Empathice wrote: Still you although Dion is just below you.-
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Questioning is not inherently hounding, I question a lot too so I see your perspective in continuing to question, I thought this was set up to aggressively pursue dio again since that's what I've been seeing all game, I falsely assumed you'd continue the aggression against dio, it was endless until it ended with the patch vote gaining steam, blinded by bias with previous patterns of behaviorIn post 1216, bewolkt wrote: dio made that post stating that he changed his style and then I replied to it to get more info on that, I didn't "continue to hound". It's perfectly reasonable in the same way it's perfectly reasonable for me to notice it and question its reasons
Thank you with seeing this in my view, how do you want to pursue this day? Hopefully you have a good foundation to deeply analyzeIn post 1216, bewolkt wrote: I find them very different. But you're right that is not productive in general for others so I'm taking a step back on this for now-
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How doesn't it work? I must've missed the hole in your logic thing, lemme reread. Do you not have many town since you see many slots as null/scum? What causes you to think someone is town? Like how do you determine who is town?In post 1219, Empathice wrote: Because my case on them doesn't work and outside of that they're townish. Also I don't have many towns ATM.-
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Your thinking semi aligns with mine, I've been thinking it's between Empathice/dio a long time, even that it's both of them, why do you think scum is among them?
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Logical contradiction detected, mind explaining why bewolkt?In post 1224, Empathice wrote:
EBWOPIn post 1223, Empathice wrote:In post 1133, bewolkt wrote:patchwork- I very much believe their 264 comes from town.Having said that, they are indeed not contributing and I understand other's frustration with thatI would be very surprised if they are scum.
Does not compute.In post 1221, bewolkt wrote:
As of now:In post 1213, KawaiiKame wrote: you have a readlist informed by this game alone?
Town
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Unsure
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Could go either way and I'm not sure if I will get any more info
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You saying he made up a sr on herata on the spot only after I questioned him about the vote? That is what happened, you saying not caring about scumreading scum is an assumption?In post 1226, Empathice wrote: "Dion created a SR on a slot only after he was questioned about his vote on said slot. This means he didn't care about whether or not he was scumreading scum.-
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Why did it take you...this long...to realize this...?In post 1226, Empathice wrote:
I Didn't bother explaining that yet but "Dion created a SR on a slot only after he was questioned about his vote on said slot. This means he didn't care about whether or not he was scumreading scum." is slightly presumptuous.In post 1222, KawaiiKame wrote:
How doesn't it work? I must've missed the hole in your logic thing, lemme reread. Do you not have many town since you see many slots as null/scum? What causes you to think someone is town? Like how do you determine who is town?In post 1219, Empathice wrote: Because my case on them doesn't work and outside of that they're townish. Also I don't have many towns ATM.
Least you see why the logic is flawed now-
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EBWOP: Edit By Way Of (Double) PostIn post 1232, bewolkt wrote: Also what does EBWO2P and EBWOP mean?-
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Least I'm above patch, that's a win, what do you think of the patch push?In post 1231, bewolkt wrote: You're quoting a post in which I'm commenting on page 11 of the game as I was reading it. We're now on page 50. In the meantime I've become more confident about townreading other players. I still find their way of posting genuine and I think it comes from town but I also agree with others that he's not doing the best to collaborate which still gives me pause-
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Why skitter/furtive? I see them thinking alike so it makes sense if it aligns with your own town thinking, I have the same town read on skitter as you, I'm uncertain on furtive though
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I don't think like skitter but I do see her thinking as townIn post 1235, KawaiiKame wrote:Why skitter/furtive? I see them thinking alike so it makes sense if it aligns with your own town thinking, I have the same town read on skitter as you, I'm uncertain on furtive though
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I don't think like skitter but I do see her thinking as townIn post 1235, KawaiiKame wrote:Why skitter/furtive? I see them thinking alike so it makes sense if it aligns with your own town thinking, I have the same town read on skitter as you, I'm uncertain on furtive though
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Read and give reads, why have you become a ghost?In post 1053, BlueBloodedToffee wrote: Holy shit, a 43 page D1 in a Newbie.
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Time to move D1 forward, you can help by continuing to give your insightIn post 1059, BlueBloodedToffee wrote: D1 has passed it's sell by date. Time to move forward.-
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I'm with you on the playstyle, it's defensive yet offensive at the same time, I like itIn post 1240, bewolkt wrote: Mostly this and I feel their style of posting is +town-
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I like her committing against dio yet being willing to pursue separate slotsIn post 1242, KawaiiKame wrote:
I'm with you on the playstyle, it's defensive yet offensive at the same time, I like itIn post 1240, bewolkt wrote: Mostly this and I feel their style of posting is +town-
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As I said to Empathice, I'm willing to pursue the Dionysus vote, if patchwork is unvoted I will unvote Empathice, us both voting DionysusIn post 1243, furtiveglance wrote: My preferred candidate is patchwork, my second is Dionysus.
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Who do you want to push? I imagine dio/empIn post 1240, bewolkt wrote: I'm not a fan of it because it'd like to push other people honestly-
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empath/dio to meIn post 1243, furtiveglance wrote: Can we talk seriously about today's elimination?
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I hope this inspires bbt to wake up so you vote empa w/ me...In post 1249, bewolkt wrote:
Yes with empa as my first choice and keeping in mind that I am very wary about bbt so why not VOTE: bbtIn post 1246, KawaiiKame wrote:
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This is...trueIn post 1253, Empathice wrote: You specifically said you didn't want to eliminate Patch after you caught up. Meaning your read on Patch did not significantly change during catch-up. You specifically indicate the difference in pages as a reason for your read changing.-
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Hoping this is a temp vote since the day is going down into night, I feel the focus needs to be elimination, ideally we both pursue empa in union, we have all of DP2 to pursue bbtIn post 1249, bewolkt wrote:
Yes with empa as my first choice and keeping in mind that I am very wary about bbt so why not VOTE: bbtIn post 1246, KawaiiKame wrote:
Who do you want to push? I imagine dio/empIn post 1240, bewolkt wrote: I'm not a fan of it because it'd like to push other people honestly-
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It took you a long ass time to realize your own logic against dio is flawed, you spent so much time against pursuing dio only to realize the hole in your logic when patch is at e-I with the new slots flooding in, the timing is way too convenient in my eyes, looks like you feigned an all in gambit against dio only to back out at the best moment, I want to know what you made you realize the hole in your logic against dio being presumptive with the herata vote, like you build a whole ass case against dio holding him to this one mistake most of the game only to be like, (my logic) "is slightly presumptuous" in #1226In post 1256, Empathice wrote: Can you scumcase me please?
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^ I've fos dio since this, this set off the chain reaction of dio being pursued most of the game by empath, I was the catalyst, skitter was the igniter, empath was the pursuer, initially I thought skitter/dio dialogue was town vs. mafia/mafia vs. town based on feeling, eventually being dissuaded that feeling alone is sufficient enough to believe dio is mafia though the relentless pursuit on dio kept him fos in the back of my mind while simultaneously feeling bad 4 dio, being the "main character" of the DP, I didn't find it productive to town to be hyperfocused on dio...now dio is making patch the "main character", pursuing patch relentlessly like empath did to dio, saying patch contributes nothing in 46 pages of dp...dio was pursued because of the way he plays, now dio is pursuing patch because of the way they play, I feel dio would be empathetic to patch no, 0, doesn't make sense to meIn post 41, KawaiiKame wrote:Herta didn't even go into the game at the point you voted them...
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It's let you experience what I experienced in place of let me stop you experiencing what I experienced, victim - bully mindset in place of an empathetic mindsetIn post 1263, KawaiiKame wrote:
^ I've fos dio since this, this set off the chain reaction of dio being pursued most of the game by empath, I was the catalyst, skitter was the igniter, empath was the pursuer, initially I thought skitter/dio dialogue was town vs. mafia/mafia vs. town based on feeling, eventually being dissuaded that feeling alone is sufficient enough to believe dio is mafia though the relentless pursuit on dio kept him fos in the back of my mind while simultaneously feeling bad 4 dio, being the "main character" of the DP, I didn't find it productive to town to be hyperfocused on dio...now dio is making patch the "main character", pursuing patch relentlessly like empath did to dio, saying patch contributes nothing in 46 pages of dp...dio was pursued because of the way he plays, now dio is pursuing patch because of the way they play, I feel dio would be empathetic to patch no, 0, doesn't make sense to meIn post 41, KawaiiKame wrote:Herta didn't even go into the game at the point you voted them...
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I feel town will have an empathetic mindset...In post 1265, KawaiiKame wrote:
It's let you experience what I experienced in place of let me stop you experiencing what I experienced, victim - bully mindset in place of an empathetic mindsetIn post 1263, KawaiiKame wrote:
^ I've fos dio since this, this set off the chain reaction of dio being pursued most of the game by empath, I was the catalyst, skitter was the igniter, empath was the pursuer, initially I thought skitter/dio dialogue was town vs. mafia/mafia vs. town based on feeling, eventually being dissuaded that feeling alone is sufficient enough to believe dio is mafia though the relentless pursuit on dio kept him fos in the back of my mind while simultaneously feeling bad 4 dio, being the "main character" of the DP, I didn't find it productive to town to be hyperfocused on dio...now dio is making patch the "main character", pursuing patch relentlessly like empath did to dio, saying patch contributes nothing in 46 pages of dp...dio was pursued because of the way he plays, now dio is pursuing patch because of the way they play, I feel dio would be empathetic to patch no, 0, doesn't make sense to meIn post 41, KawaiiKame wrote:Herta didn't even go into the game at the point you voted them...
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In post 1267, Empathice wrote:
Why would they have an empathetic mindset when they are confirmed town to themselves and you are not confirmed town to them?In post 1266, KawaiiKame wrote: I feel town will have an empathetic mindset...
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Empathy is when you feel someone's pain, sympathy is when you feel bad on someone else's behalf, I was sympathetic to dio/patches, I thought/felt dio'd be empathetic to patch, not so merciless, defensive at least, maybe I'm only thinking how'd I feelIn post 1268, Empathice wrote:
Also the correct word here is sympathetic I believe.In post 1267, Empathice wrote:
Why would they have an empathetic mindset when they are confirmed town to themselves and you are not confirmed town to them?In post 1266, KawaiiKame wrote: I feel town will have an empathetic mindset...-
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dio/patches had/have victim mindsets...In post 1269, Empathice wrote: The mafia are the victims in this game.-
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Maybe I'm going too far with saying you have a victim-bully mindset, you haven't been kind to patches tho, maybe it's you being realIn post 1272, Dionysus wrote: also this is an... extreme and quite ungenerous interpretation.-
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Tbf you have, I've forgotten you being aggro like when you said it was dumb of dio to townread you in the openingIn post 1284, patchwork wrote: ok but i've been pretty brash the entire game
what makes dion's posts rude while mine arent
actually he did try to tell me i wasnt burnt out earlier so i can see that
but that was a one time thing at least + not a thing you can sr someone for-
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Fair is fair, patches has acted quite aggro/potentially scummy in this game, you're justified in pursuing patches, I apologize with accusing you of a bully mindset, I found saying patches contributed nothing in 46 pages to be mean but I see why you see it as trueIn post 1276, Dionysus wrote: What is unkind about pushing someone I think is scum? I mean I don't think patches has been especially kind to anyone tbf. I think they've been quite rude most of the game, actually! So not sure why I'm being singled out here.
Could be that I just think they're scum, maybe?-
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Emp is right, furitive mirrors Emp, not skittleIn post 1279, patchwork wrote:
i dont think soIn post 1241, KawaiiKame wrote:
furtive's thinking mirrors skitter's thinking slightly too muchIn post 1240, bewolkt wrote: Why are you uncertain on furtive?
iirc skitter trsme and furtive doesnt
and even if they have the same reads it's not inherently a bad thing unless the content is blatantly recycled from each other-
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I saw patches as being treated unfairly but all is fair when you're pursuing scum, what I said was uncalled for, maybe they did have it coming to them with how they acted b4In post 1276, Dionysus wrote:
What is unkind about pushing someone I think is scum? I mean I don't think patches has been especially kind to anyone tbf. I think they've been quite rude most of the game, actually! So not sure why I'm being singled out here.In post 1275, KawaiiKame wrote:
Maybe I'm going too far with saying you have a victim-bully mindset, you haven't been kind to patches tho, maybe it's you being realIn post 1272, Dionysus wrote: also this is an... extreme and quite ungenerous interpretation.
Could be that I just think they're scum, maybe?-
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I hope so, looks like itIn post 1280, patchwork wrote:
is this a vote on activity?In post 1249, bewolkt wrote:
Yes with empa as my first choice and keeping in mind that I am very wary about bbt so why not VOTE: bbtIn post 1246, KawaiiKame wrote:
Who do you want to push? I imagine dio/empIn post 1240, bewolkt wrote: I'm not a fan of it because it'd like to push other people honestly-
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Low odds, Idk how much stake you should put into %s, but since you looking into Dion again maybe I should tooIn post 1277, Empathice wrote:
I Should probably look at Dion again but my 0% tunnel accuracy is foreboding.In post 1274, KawaiiKame wrote:
dio/patches had/have victim mindsets...In post 1269, Empathice wrote: The mafia are the victims in this game.-
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I do, thought it was time to rethink my position of you as potential wolf, but you right, I am too guided by other playersIn post 1292, Dionysus wrote: Why? You know you can push whoever you like and don't need to be guided by other players, right?-
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I need to forge my own pathIn post 1293, KawaiiKame wrote:
I do, thought it was time to rethink my position of you as potential wolf, but you right, I am too guided by other playersIn post 1292, Dionysus wrote: Why? You know you can push whoever you like and don't need to be guided by other players, right?-
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Your long posts say otherwise...In post 1283, patchwork wrote:
i don tthink either of us did actuallyIn post 1274, KawaiiKame wrote: dio/patches had/have victim mindsets...
You want to scumhunt?
Idk if you saw my scumhunting post-
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I am, they slipping into scum, though I don't want to hammer a potential scapegoatIn post 1295, Dionysus wrote: Why don't you reconsider patches-
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I don't want this day to end... yetIn post 1297, KawaiiKame wrote:
I am, they slipping into scum, though I don't want to hammer a potential scapegoatIn post 1295, Dionysus wrote: Why don't you reconsider patches-
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Why do you feel patches is scum?In post 1295, Dionysus wrote: Why don't you reconsider patches-
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You have updated reads skitter?In post 1004, skitter30 wrote: Why are u so convinced they're scum again?-
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0nly skimming they pushing/being aggro as town when in this game they heavily defensive, I see what you mean, feels oppositeIn post 1300, Dionysus wrote: OK I am gonna potentially he a bit of a hypocrite, but as patches' other game has just ended we can now acknowledge it. In 2112 patches was town and their ISO is here: viewtopic.php?t=90446&user_select%5B%5D=36976
They are clearly trying to solve the game from the beginning in a way that they just haven't in this game yet and it is page 52. Like this is not a question of playstyle at all. Their style is very similar in both games. But in one they are hunting scum and in this one they're not.-
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