Newbie 1368 - Will there ever be a title? (GAME OVER)

[Grimgroove]

I was thinking more along the lines of you, Majiffy.

[Grimgroove]

Either Syryana or Core. GG

VOTE: Core

How can you even think for a minute Syryana is scum after Rach's flip? Haven't you seen their interactions?

Core has become a possibility however. He claimed intent to hammer, but never came online after that intent and before the deadline. Will have to look at their itneractions more closely.

I also don't understand why you guys are bringing up a cop. Why is this the first thing you think of?

If there is a cop, it is evident that he should expose himself and both of his reads now. That puts 3 people out of the discussions, and with a bit of luck it adds well to the reads of the townpeople.

But the first think I'd think of after tonight is a jailkeeper. Or scum deciding to not kill, hoping there is no more power role in the game, so the remaining scum can claim jailkeeper and play a bit of poker.

ISO'ing RachMarie is a must now. It's the first to-do after a scum has flipped.

[Grimgroove]

Are you still the same enomis? your posting style seems to have changed considerably?

I'm reading enomis as town now by the way. His L-1 on Rach was crucial to getting her lynched, the alternative could have easily ended up in a stalemate with nobody the wiser.

Reading Core's posts he really seemed very intent on moving the wagon away from RachMarie and on to enomis. Core lost his strong townread.

Buit MAjiffy remains my number 1 suspect for the time being.

[Grimgroove]

Scum nking is a very bad move becuz if we have a cop, they are fucked.

Then why do you assume there's a cop?
If you believe the above argument, the only way a kill didn't happen was a jailkeeper. Given there's already a dead doctor,t here's no way there's both a jailkeeper and a cop right now.

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About your style: you normally use full words and better spelling. MAybe you're posting from a phone or something? Seems very different to me at least.

About the no lynch-plan, it is something to consider I'd say. If anything, your plan does strentghen my townread on you, because it does sound like something that could put scum in a thight spot.

There is an obvious problem with the double confirmation by the jailkeeper though. In case the jailkeeper targetted the victim and not the killer, the killer could choose to no-kill the next night, and get the previous target lynched because it will be considered a double-confirmation, and out the jailkeeper in the process and kill him the night after, leaving us in LyLo.

But it's not a bad plan.

[Grimgroove]

It's up to the jailkeeper really, and how he made his choice.
If he jailkept someone of whom he thought he would be targetted by scum, he should keep still.
If he targetted someone of whom he thought he was scum, he should speak up.

If he keeps still, it makes enomis' plan less useful because of the scenario described above.

For instance, if the Jailkeeper tells us he JailKept Majiffy, there'd be no doubt in my mind that Majiffy should be lynched. Because there's no way MAjiffy would be the target of a nightkill.

But if the Jailkeeper jailkept homertve for example, things wouldn't be as clear-cut, and the JK4s information wouldn't be valuable enough compared to the loss of his secret identity.

[Grimgroove]

You lost me enomis.

I can't make sense out of any of these scenarios I'm afraid to say, I don't think this has clarified your plan but rather made it more complicated.

What do you think about Syryana's suggestion? That sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Regardless of what happens, I think it would be more productive to continue an old-fashioned scumhunt based on RachMarie's flip and hert interactions, as well as analysis of the voting process during the previous phase. If in the end we wouldn't reach consensus, we still have that plan as a fallback, but I don't see the merit in proceeding to a no-lynch immediately. Feels like a waste of a daystage.

[Grimgroove]

"random" lurker? Are you seriously bringing that up again? Please don't offend, thank you, definitely if you haven't read the first 30 pages.

I still think Majiffy is the more obvious choice though. Look at his posts. He claimed toh ave a strong townread on her, yet never explained why. After some shenanigans at the end of the first daystage her read her a slight town. He called me "dumb as bricks" for believing RachMarie was scum. If anyone was defending her, it was him.
He was online during the end of the previous day. He posted in other topics at the time,b ut not here, choosing not to be seen, choosing not to hammer. He was hoping for a no lynch rather thans ee his buddy lynched.

That's my main hypothesis.

My second is Core being scum with RachMarie. He was too ambiguous during the moment of truth, pushing for an enomis-lynch and not hammering RachMarie despite intent.

It's one of these two.

My townreads on enomis, Syryana and homertve are too strong to even consider voting them. I really don't see enomis' elaborate plan coming from scum simply trying to stall, homer.

What do you guys make of Majiffy and Core yourselves?

[Grimgroove]

However her play has been troublesome so she has moved from strong town to just barely leaning town;

I have associative tells with certain players that will better discern her alignment.

Now would be a good time to specify.

[Grimgroove]

What do you guys make of Majiffy and Core yourselves?

[Grimgroove]

enomis, your plan clearly does not have enough support.
Knowing this, who would be your preferred lynch candidate and why?

[Grimgroove]

Syryana isn't scum. Looking at but a fraction of his interactions with RachMarie will tell you this.

[Grimgroove]

Anyway, the not hammer point on him is not a point. Majiffy is not so dumb to not hammer Rach when there is a high likelyhood that someone will do it, so he might as well do it. It is a null point. I am thinking that he did not check the thread.

I disagree in the strongest of terms. It's got nothing to do with him being dumb or not.
The likelihood of RachMarie having been hammered was not as high as you make it out to be given the low activity. And him hammering after having claimed a slight townread on her would have to have been coated in something. Along the lines of "I'd rather have a lynch than nothing", which wouldn't have sounded convincing out of his mouth, given his lack of involvement in the game (he didn't even know the set-up until recently). I think he didn't want to bother with the coating, and thus also not with the vote, with the added bonus of perhaps leaving the rolecop alive for another day.

[Grimgroove]

I'm convinced it's either Core or Majiffy though. If we can all agree on that, this game is pretty much in the bag for town.

[Grimgroove]

According to his profile, Core was online today, so at least he didn't site-flake.

[Grimgroove]

I just ISO'd Core. I suggest everyone does the same thing. I think

VOTE: Majiffy

is the most reasonable thing to do after having done this. I don't really see the scum-Core as much as I thought I would have.

[Grimgroove]

I just ISO'd Core. I suggest everyone does the same thing. I think
VOTE: Majiffy
is the most reasonable thing to do after having done this. I don't really see the scum-Core as much as I thought I would have.

Look at mkfuba/Rach interactions.

And let me get this straight...

you believe I'm scum, but I didn't know the setup until recently?

Fucking retard.

Why would you know the set-up better as scum?

I'm not moving my vote.
You'll have to try to convince other people if you want to survive, but I won't be part of the 4 people majority that is not on a wagon behind you, you'll have to accept this fact and move on.

[Grimgroove]

I would just save it full stop.

Anyway, you didn't read the game yourself, your reads on RachMarie were spectacularly wrong, I dislike you, and you are of no use to town even if you are aligned as such.

If it's not you, it's Core, so we win this game and if we can win it without you around, well, yay.

[Grimgroove]

you didn't read the game yourself

False

You did not know the set-up.
How can you not know the set-up if you read the game?
We were talking about a jailkeeper and you had no clue what that was all about, you didn't know a doctor had died earlier, an event that should leave a moment of pause that you have ignored.
You don't give two shits about this game and it is obvious. You probably even forgot to send in the night kill because you couldn't be bothered.

[Grimgroove]

I think we should lynch Core.

Why?

Don't think Jiffy is scum atm.

Why?

Also the two of you should stop bickering.

Meh.

pedit: That wasn't bickering. That was me saying why he's scum. Town would know they lost their doctor.

[Grimgroove]

enomis is town, for sure and certain.

[Grimgroove]

Well, I think at least :p

[Grimgroove]

Because of his L-1 on RachMarie which was crucial given the dynamics of the game. This game was moving forward like a rusty old cart and his L-1 was the push it needed to reach the finish line.
Because of the plan he suggested during Day 3. It's not an amazing plan, but it's obviously made with the mindset of town. Just look at the way he tries to defend and from which angle. There is not the slightest hint at scum-perspective.
Because of the way he tried to defended RachMarie at first. Unlike Majiffy, he truly thought to have a point when saying we were random lynching a lurker. He still insists on that today. However wrong, it is a townish thing to do to try to prevent town from doing that, and it's not a scummish thing to do to openly and insistantly defend your partner like that.

And before you compare with Majiffy: Majiffy never presented any argument as to why RachMarie could be town (where enomis was considering her mostly a null-lurker, Majiffy actually called her town), and he also didn't truly engage in discussions about her. He just sat there calling everybody stupid and not voting RachMarie.

[Grimgroove]

It is obvious Core didn't think that triangle through as much as he should have.
You could already know back then that the argument "too much of a dick to be scum" would never be enough to keep Majiffy out of these triangular considerations.
Does not warrant a vote.

[Grimgroove]

He's not around, and I, as always, am. I believed my perspective on this would be a nice addition to the discussions.
How do you feel about said perspective?
The dichotomy between the two posts you quoted of Core is not as big as to warrant a vote, in my opinion.

I'm sure he'll explain himself when he gets here, I'm just already telling you that for me, this won't be enough to vote him over Majiffy.

[Grimgroove]

He's my second choice, yes.

[Grimgroove]

This is how I see it:

Core did one thing wrong: he did not include Majiffy in his theory of the triangles as possible scum, based on a flimsy argument that Majiffy was too much of a dick to be scum.

This was obviously a mistake, but how is it a scumtell?

No, I really don't see it.

Have you got anything else on Core? You do realize this is not enough right, even if it is 100 procent valid?

I want more people to share their thoughts on Majiffy. I have the impression that the mere fact he's being well, less than kind, makes him town. Along the lines of Core's thinking not to put him in the triangle. This is NOT enough.

I want to see more reasons why MAjiffy is town or why Core is scum before I even begin considering moving my vote.

[Grimgroove]

rach is a lurker and bland in her arguments but enomis' adaments only draw my suspicions post 856 was rather unassuring, scum would hammer a partner regardless,
eno's has a closed and targeted mind on syrana, considering the play with rach and his insistence to get rach to throw out a read on syrana i get the sense of a partnership wether it's onesided or not.
I see scum motivation in the direction of his play
1 stop the lynch of a lurker at L1 get a little town cred and a buddy
2jump to the closest band wagon (syrana)and push it to the lynch

you really see Eno's play as coming from scum? What is the motivation ?

yes

if you know your town you don't know his alignment why would you trust him to snuggle up in your blindspot
eno screams scum to me
and if he flips town i know tomorrow syrana is scum

vote enomis

This actually doesn't make him look very good, come to think of it.

[Grimgroove]

1 day left i will go with a rach lynch but prefer enomis--side note i'd lynch majiffy just to see the dick die
MAJIFFY=douche
now that's^ in real life game play hard to tell

preview edit will do i have tommorrow off if need be i'll switch to rach- hang enomis!!

Neither does this.

[Grimgroove]

Ok, fine, I'm willing to move my vote to him.

But if he's lynched and it's not him, and I would die before LyLo, I

BEG

you to lynch Majiffy.

Enomis is not scum. Syryana is not scum. Homertve is not scum.

[Grimgroove]

Fuck it.

VOTE: Core_H86

This is

L-1

!

[Grimgroove]

Majiffy, Homertve and Grimgroove are voting him, and with 6 palyers, you need four for a lynch, so this is definitely L-1.

[Grimgroove]

I'm not sure if he checked the topic, but I know for a fact Majiffy was online during this endphase, so it is possible he

chose

not to hammer.

pedit: Good!

Are you still the same enomis? your posting style seems to have changed considerably?

I'm reading enomis as town now by the way. His L-1 on Rach was crucial to getting her lynched, the alternative could have easily ended up in a stalemate with nobody the wiser.

Reading Core's posts he really seemed very intent on moving the wagon away from RachMarie and on to enomis. Core lost his strong townread.

Buit MAjiffy remains my number 1 suspect for the time being.

"random" lurker? Are you seriously bringing that up again? Please don't offend, thank you, definitely if you haven't read the first 30 pages.

I still think Majiffy is the more obvious choice though. Look at his posts. He claimed toh ave a strong townread on her, yet never explained why. After some shenanigans at the end of the first daystage her read her a slight town. He called me "dumb as bricks" for believing RachMarie was scum. If anyone was defending her, it was him.
He was online during the end of the previous day. He posted in other topics at the time,b ut not here, choosing not to be seen, choosing not to hammer. He was hoping for a no lynch rather thans ee his buddy lynched.

That's my main hypothesis.

My second is Core being scum with RachMarie. He was too ambiguous during the moment of truth, pushing for an enomis-lynch and not hammering RachMarie despite intent.

It's one of these two.

My townreads on enomis, Syryana and homertve are too strong to even consider voting them. I really don't see enomis' elaborate plan coming from scum simply trying to stall, homer.

What do you guys make of Majiffy and Core yourselves?

I think these posts summarize my thoughts on both lynch-candidates.

And if Core is the wrong lynch, simple PoE is enough to point to Majiffy-scum. All the others are obvtown in my book.

[Grimgroove]

No.

A simple question for you: Do you find nights and their outcomes irrelevant in a game of mafia?

[Grimgroove]

Then why didn't you read the night reports?

[Grimgroove]

Oh this setup is 2 of 4 so yeah we don't know if it was doc or jk that stopped the kill, or if mafia no killed (unlikely) altogether.

Setup spec is unlikely to help us here.

You toyed with the possibility that the doc assured the absence of a kill in N2. The doc died in N1.
From someone who thinks night kills are important for analysis, this comes as a surprise.

[Grimgroove]

That said, I find Core's reply to the allegations and to the L-1 far too meek. We probably hit scum with that one.

[Grimgroove]

Oh this setup is 2 of 4 so yeah we don't know if it was doc or jk that stopped the kill, or if mafia no killed (unlikely) altogether.

Setup spec is unlikely to help us here.

You toyed with the possibility that the doc assured the absence of a kill in N2. The doc died in N1.
From someone who thinks night kills are important for analysis, this comes as a surprise.

You toyed with the possibility of me being scum.
Considering you knew that I forgot the doc had died, this comes as a surprise.

I'm so sorry. I feel so stupid now. You're absolutely right.
Let's lynch Core now and get this over with.

[Grimgroove]

We hammered without a claim! That may have been a bit silly.
But ok. I've convinced myself this is the rgiht lynch, so until the flip I shall live in ignorant bliss.

If this isn't over, lynch Majiffy.
GG to everyone if it is over!

[Grimgroove]

Hurray!
Well, I was having my sincerest doubts, you were a top townread at a certain point after all.
So either I suck, or you were better than you thought.
It's probably a little bit of both.

[Grimgroove]

Why didn't you kill anyone during the last night?

[Grimgroove]

So I think we've all learned a valuable lesson here today; Majiffy is right and Grim is soooo, soooo wrong.

Must...resist...aah...can't...yes, but must...a little bit........further.......AAAAAH


I have reached inner peace.

[Grimgroove]

I am taken aback by this sudden profession of love, but yes! YES! Why the hell not?!? I LOVE YOU TOO!

[Grimgroove]

What did I do in 180 that deserved such praise? I don't see it.

Glad to see you kept yourself busy inthere

I truly enjoyed this game, minus the sporadic bouts of zero activity.

Good game everyone!

[Grimgroove]

So Core didn't send in a kill last night?