Newbie 1758 - Symmetry (Game Over)
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Guys, will i get into trouble (aka death) if i just vote for a random person?In post 9, Hellfire Missile wrote:Right?-
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yeahIn post 12, Loopdan wrote:Isn't this your 2nd game, HM?-
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because last time when i did random vote the guy that i was voting for became convinced that i was scum. He was two lynches or one lynch away from being lynched, didn't know, and basically for the rest of the short lived game he was convinced that i was scum, which i wasn't (Does this count as a spoiler/giving away too much info?)
Okay, second game, still don't know what to do, as evidenced by the last game.-
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Finished means lynched, NK'edIn post 35, Jackel98 wrote:You're allowed to talk about other games, as long as they are finished. This is often used to give evidence for a player's meta, or how that player tends to play.
Completed means game complete, one side got their win condition iirc
Yeah?
Alright, so what i've learned is that to analyze scum you need to watch for contradictions in their statements right?-
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idk yet, he hasn't died...In post 40, Joshz wrote:
RVS are the first things to build reads on. For example, my only read atp not null is human sequencer lean scum.In post 34, Hellfire Missile wrote:because last time when i did random vote the guy that i was voting for became convinced that i was scum. He was two lynches or one lynch away from being lynched, didn't know, and basically for the rest of the short lived game he was convinced that i was scum, which i wasn't (Does this count as a spoiler/giving away too much info?)
Okay, second game, still don't know what to do, as evidenced by the last game.
Was that guy town? Seems like awful town gameplay if he tunneled you the whole game
But, people were pretty sure that we were both town before i died so...
First time, i was l-1, someone else managed to convince people that i was townie, because i couldn't defend my self (still cant)
Second time, was actually lynched-
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But other people can go through and look through it rightIn post 43, Human Sequencer wrote:@Hellfire Missile Do not talk about ongoing games.
That is, any game that is currently going on, whether you're alive in them, dead in them, or even never played in them.
You can post about them as soon as they end in a victory, loss or draw.
What you just posted is violating the rules. I hope the mod will treat you kindly for it, because it was clearly just a misunderstanding.-
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can't i have a school computer and it blocks system modifications including brightness, time settings, etcIn post 92, Jackel98 wrote:Look under the User Control Panel-
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must.In post 97, Loopdan wrote:@Hellfire-- Do you have any other logins on this forum? Is so, you should know that alt accounts are not allowed to join Newbie games as newbies (only as replacements).
If it isn't obvious, I think you might be an experienced player who is acting like a super-newbie.
refrain.
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not an alt.
lets sum up what i know so that i don't get lynched later. (Still going to because of the reasons stated below)
I know vocabulary (woooooo but it was a sticking point for people)
Don't know how to read, can't defend, can't attack/accuse
and this is why i'm going to be 1st lynch (yay!)
So.....
Like, not a complete idiot but still.
I need someone to make a really bad contradiction
and then help me
see, reading people sounds easy on paper
but when i try it all i see is
(X) posted this
(Y) posted that
(Z) accuses me
(me) idk help
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But how would i town read?In post 104, Psyche wrote:hellfire, maybe instead of looking for scum, you can try to develop townreads and then apply the process of elimination to decide who to vote
or, instead of looking for decisive contradictions, you just regularly update us on things you've found interesting about different and whether it can be interpreted as a scum vs town move-
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But how would i know that?In post 106, Psyche wrote:do they look like they're trying to find and lynch scum
You said that i should try to town read people instead of scum lynching
But..
how do i know they
this is confusing
how would i know that they are trying to hunt scum? What if they are scum?-
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what's iioaIn post 160, Human Sequencer wrote:Yeah Josh isn't a scumread.
Sputnik is still a little suss to me, but it's mostly a hunch.
VOTE: Jackel98
Nothing but IIoA. Post more.
Loopdan is either town or scum really trying hard to be town, harder than they have to.-
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just slightly panicked but how do i read people as scum or town? help on both please? i've tried to ask people about this but they just brush me off. I can't go out of newbie queue without knowing how to read and im already on my second game and i still dont know how to defend or read people. I would like to learn more about reading but defending myself would also be good. Can someone (IC, SE's) help me? I know IC has already tried but i still don't quite get it.-
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why?In post 164, Human Sequencer wrote: if this newbie thing is an act, screw you.-
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what red alertIn post 194, Loopdan wrote:
Red alert.In post 164, Human Sequencer wrote:Yo HM. This game isn't a puzzle that's made for you to solve. It's a puzzle you have to solve yourself.
There's 10 players here. 2 of them are scum. You know you're town.-
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Okay. I'll try. Thanks for the tipIn post 237, HowardRoark wrote: @Hellfire Missile: I want some content from you. Since you are having difficulties with how to scum hunt, I have an exercise. Analyzing votes (timing, patterns, results) can be useful. Check out the votes for Joshz since that's been our big wagon so far. Think about the timing and stated reason of each vote. Think about them relative to each other. Read them from both playing as scum and playing as town mentalities.-
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what pages?In post 243, Hellfire Missile wrote:
Okay. I'll try. Thanks for the tipIn post 237, HowardRoark wrote: @Hellfire Missile: I want some content from you. Since you are having difficulties with how to scum hunt, I have an exercise. Analyzing votes (timing, patterns, results) can be useful. Check out the votes for Joshz since that's been our big wagon so far. Think about the timing and stated reason of each vote. Think about them relative to each other. Read them from both playing as scum and playing as town mentalities.-
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lemme just lay out some ground work so that i can reference this again.
Scum: Want mis-lynches, want to hide from town by appearing town
Town: Want to find and lynch scum, don't want to mis-lynch
People that voted for Joshz (Past or Current): Jackel98, HowardRoark, Loopdan, DayahaangRai
People that Joshz has voted for: Loopdan, (replaced), HowardRoark-
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Joshz seems scum.
He's almost too calm, collected, for a townie being 2 lynches away from death, although it could be because he wasn't on l-1.
He didn't give explanations for scum reads/voting for me and claims it's "gut" (is this a reasonable reason for attacking someone?)
Like, if i was 2 lynches away from being killed I'd be freaking out if i was a townie.
VOTE: Joshz
Okay, i tried, I hope i did something useful, although it could all be wrong(probably but its my first read so i'm sticking with it).-
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whoops messed up on the quoteIn post 298, Hellfire Missile wrote:Joshz seems scum.
He's almost too calm, collected, for a townie being 2 lynches away from death, although it could be because he wasn't on l-1.
He didn't give explanations for scum reads/voting for me and claims it's "gut" (is this a reasonable reason for attacking someone?)
Like, if i was 2 lynches away from being killed I'd be freaking out if i was a townie.
VOTE: Joshz
Okay, i tried, I hope i did something useful, although it could all be wrong(probably but its my first read so i'm sticking with it).-
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Just went through Xalxe's postsIn post 301, Loopdan wrote:This is getting ridiculous.
VOTE: Psyche
In post 272, Psyche wrote:ok im back@Xalxe-- Was Psyche prodded prior to ^this? Your rule-set requires "a game-advancing post" to get off the prod, right?
No Psyche hasn't been prodded before, the only person prodded was Jackel-
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I don't think you would be panicking because you got 1 vote, but Rai got the other 2-3 votes, which wasn't your fault.In post 305, Locust wrote:Hey Hellfire you are back. I think if you were scum it would of been an ideal opportunity to put a vote on me I am getting close to being lynched and have a vote on you with the way you have played this I was expecting you to vote me when you became active again. I have to ask though what is your read on me I think I am L-2 (I may be counting the votes wrong) would you expect me to be panicking more?
I'm not gonna vote for you (yet) because i don't think you deserve the extra pressure that Rai generated.
What i'm trying to say is i think the situation that you found your self in wasn't your fault, and now people may be bias against your position/alignment-
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He hasn't really read anyone, been mainly focusing on helping people (me)In post 310, Human Sequencer wrote:i doubt it's alignment indicative considering he's the IC-
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why?In post 314, Human Sequencer wrote:joshz/psyche scumteam would be absolutely hilarious
i kinda almost get it?
but no i dont..
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ates?In post 317, Joshz wrote:
My first forum mafia game I subbed in as scum day 3 and the 2nd of 4 scum got lynched so it was just me and the most experienced player (not a newbie game) and I won in lylo.In post 314, Human Sequencer wrote:joshz/psyche scumteam would be absolutely hilarious
Anybody voting locust: get off or you're scum. He's townie. One of the guys on his wagon is scum. Psyche could definitely be the lurker scum partner. Notice how a lot of locusts wagon was my wagon too? Jackel was early on both so on one hand I'd like to lynch jackel but on the other hand Hellfire Missile voting me because I'm calm is ?????????????? like dude did you not read the massive ates????????? plus Jackel's vote on me seemed slightly better than the others
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also prove that you know he's townieIn post 320, Hellfire Missile wrote:
ates?In post 317, Joshz wrote:
My first forum mafia game I subbed in as scum day 3 and the 2nd of 4 scum got lynched so it was just me and the most experienced player (not a newbie game) and I won in lylo.In post 314, Human Sequencer wrote:joshz/psyche scumteam would be absolutely hilarious
Anybody voting locust: get off or you're scum. He's townie. One of the guys on his wagon is scum. Psyche could definitely be the lurker scum partner. Notice how a lot of locusts wagon was my wagon too? Jackel was early on both so on one hand I'd like to lynch jackel but on the other hand Hellfire Missile voting me because I'm calm is ?????????????? like dude did you not read the massive ates????????? plus Jackel's vote on me seemed slightly better than the others
also too many fucking ? marks
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i can't really read (no time maybe tomorrow? because reading takes alot of my time) but for Psyche he hasn't read anyone, only voted for one person (Loopdan) and quickly retracted the vote. I'd like to prod him but he's already been prodded.In post 324, Locust wrote:Hellfire I would be interested in your reads on other people in this game as well. It would help me understand your thought processes more and (if you are finding it so hard to get reads) may help you out with getting some of your own gut feelings. I would be interested mostly on your reads on Space and Psyche, but anyone else you have a strong feeling about based on their actions and perceived intentions I would also like to hear. The reason IU am asking you this is you currently seem to be here and active and the only people you have had reads on so far seem to be Joshz and a little on me.
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I thought it was sorta helpful?In post 325, HowardRoark wrote: @Hellfire Missile: I appreciate the effort, however I was hoping for more/better. Do you feel that it was helpful at all?
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Isn't that like almost all the people who voted for you?In post 326, Joshz wrote:So one guy is sring me for not showing emotion and another for too much. Good plan. The lynch pool today imo is Hellfire Missile, Howard, Psyche and jackel. I'm fairly confident both scum are in that pool.-
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is this about my language use?In post 337, Joshz wrote:You can tell if you genuinely look at his behaviour. Iso him.-
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Where did he defend you?In post 340, Joshz wrote:[quote="In \
Psyche defended me
Stop trying to make a joke about me using gut reads because that's all day 1 really is.
It's not a joke I just don't like gut reads because you accuse someone on "gut" and give no other reasons why they act scum or town-
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whoopsIn post 352, Hellfire Missile wrote:
Where did he defend you?In post 340, Joshz wrote: Psyche defended me
Stop trying to make a joke about me using gut reads because that's all day 1 really is.
It's not a joke I just don't like gut reads because you accuse someone on "gut" and give no other reasons why they act scum or town-
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whoops?In post 355, Hellfire Missile wrote:also why is everyone so convinced that i'm a expert playing as a noob?-
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why are 1/2 of the people actingIn post 351, Human Sequencer wrote:looks like sobolev is acting
looks like locust is acting
looks like hm is acting
looks like josh might be acting
looks like you and howard might be acting
thats all i got, it's not a hard read and i can't adequately point it out to you. i don't really think it's alignment indicative
just reads like a lot of you are trying hard to be a person you're not, hard to explain, irrelevant to the game
sololev is scum, best lynch
VOTE: sobolev space
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fuck not this again
if im lynched im not gonna fucking do anything
second time im just.
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*tiltIn post 362, Hellfire Missile wrote:fuck not this again
if im lynched im not gonna fucking do anything
second time im just.
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please noIn post 364, Loopdan wrote:We have less than random odds of hitting scum Day 1, so without a strong scum read on anyone, I'd like to lynch either HM or Psyche. Both are anti-town and it will be difficult to sort their alignments on future Days if they continue to play like this.
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"content" = reads(?)In post 366, HowardRoark wrote:@Hellfire Missile: I'm glad that it was helpful for you and that you are becoming a bit more involved. When reading, I usually read by slot. If the player was replaced (flaked or requested) I take that into consideration.
If you don't want to be lynched, you need to contribute worthwhile content. What is your plan to be productive D2?
hmm..
well if i don't get lynched or night killed..
actually, i'd like some help first.
Is my read on Joshz okay? (reasons, not who/what i think he is)
Imma try to base my actions depending on whether my read on joshz was good or not, and will attempt to refine reads-
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He gives up.In post 153, Joshz wrote:I'm not freaking out. I have accepted that I'm not going to enjoy this game.
see? this is why i pointed it out.In post 212, Joshz wrote:Gut mostly, if I had a real case I'd post it
"real case i'd post it"
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screw you.In post 380, Joshz wrote:
He is town. I have nothing to cite. He is town and I know I'm not wrong.In post 370, Loopdan wrote:@Joshz-- Please explain how locust is guaranteed town.
What me saying this means is that he should NEVER BE lynched unless I am both killed and flip red (which, while not true, will happen at some point with how amazing this game is). This is because there is nothing to gain from his flip. If it's green that doesn't clear me and if it were to be red it wouldn't even help a ton. So what needs to happen if you want to lynch him is to lynch me first, pand once you see my green flip any doc we have needs to be on him. I don't even think his wagon has to be scum made but it's a bad wagon, almost as bad as mine. The best wagon this game is Psyche but I don't think policy lynching him is a good idea. Sobolev and HM both have merits but if you isolate HM it just seems really really fake and empty and frankly brushing that off and ignoring the topic makes him seem all the better to lynch.-
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because town know that if they're night killed or lynched the town loses what i think of like a life. 2 mafia (right the table confuses me), and the rest are townie (6 players?) so if a mislynch and a night kill happen on day 1 the town loses 2 members, down to 2v4. another mislynch turns into turns into 3v2 (Mylo? something lo? forgot) but then another night kill means 2v2, mafia wins. (look it maybe this was a bad idea but I read the wiki and discovered all this okay fuck you joshz).In post 376, Loopdan wrote:@HM-- Why do you think him giving up is more likely to come from a scum point of view than a town point of view?
Town doesn't wanna get lynched because then if they do its another life lost and the mafia win comes closer to winning, while a good(correct?) lynch means 1v6, night kill 1v5, then the town gets more time to decide(?)
that's my reason
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