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In post 54, Creature wrote:He was posting elsewhere while here he seemed inactive.
In post 59, Creature wrote:Actually I felt I just had to bring something so he would appear.
?? These all seem like pretty weak reasons to scum read me, considering there are other people in the game that haven't even posted yet. I'll hold off on putting a vote on you for this cause it might just be a push by you to get the ball rolling in this game. As for the order of my responses (and their orders) I was at work about to start doing something so didn't have much time to post anything worthwhile and thought I'd be able to come back to some sort of substance re: the potential scum.
Anyways, do we wanna do the 1 shot BP thing or not? I only ask cause in another game I replaced into the other day they'd done it and now we've got a confirmed townie to rally around.
In post 61, Fykus wrote:I only ask cause in another game I replaced into the other day they'd done it and now we've got a confirmed townie to rally around.
In post 130, rb wrote:Wao this wagon building fast, dunno what destro even did
Did you read my ISO?
(Fykus, don't put Destro at L-1 yet, quickhammers are bad)
Yeah, thats why I posted "Intent" to put at L-1 rather than actually voting. It puts the pressure on but it doesn't allow anyone to quick hammer and end the day on page 6.
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Post #222 (isolation #13) » Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:31 am
Postby Fykus »
Sorry I hadn't even realised that I hadnt posted for however the long the prod period is. Will go back through the thread after work and see if I can post something of substance.
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Post #243 (isolation #14) » Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:36 pm
Postby Fykus »
Right, so heres where we're at re: the BP claim schtick:
Accountant- not BP
Aatami- not BP
Fykus- not BP
Tarkus- not BP
Creature - not BP
Sagittarius - not BP
rb - ??
EccentricLemon - ??
HighKingDestro - ??
I'd like a claim from you three on your next posts please or I'll start voting as if a non claim is an admission of being scum.
Just a little offshoot of this thought - I find it curious that rb was kind of against the BP claim at the beginning and then never confirmed or denied if they are BP or not (considering the fact that our IC would have to be experienced in mafia and would thus know the advantages of this strategy).
As for the moment though, im 90% certain that HKD is scum and I find it unfortunate that the wagon on him fell apart before he could reappear and react to the pressure on him (surely he'd be due for a prod right about now?). As for his partner I'm going to have to do a few ISO reads to try and come to that conclusion.
In post 243, Fykus wrote:
Just a little offshoot of this thought - I find it curious that rb was kind of against the BP claim at the beginning and then never confirmed or denied if they are BP or not (considering the fact that our IC would have to be experienced in mafia and would thus know the advantages of this strategy).
As for the moment though, im 90% certain that HKD is scum and I find it unfortunate that the wagon on him fell apart before he could reappear and react to the pressure on him (surely he'd be due for a prod right about now?). As for his partner I'm going to have to do a few ISO reads to try and come to that conclusion.
That is curious. Not sure if rb was actually against it but he definitely didn't offer any support. Need to hear from him on this, but I like where his vote is at and I've been leaning town on him so far.
And I don't think the destro wagon really fell apart. Lost some votes, but I'm still scumreading him and accountant was as well. He should still be feeling the pressure.
In post 75, rb wrote:i have no idea why we're bp claiming
He acted all coy with it and then never acknowledged anybody mentioning it again.
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Post #263 (isolation #19) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:39 am
Postby Fykus »
In post 262, Loopdan wrote:I don't know how you people got more than half-way through day1 using the BP claim strategy without forcing every player to claim. Several players in this game should know better (Accountant included).
I'll take the blame for that one. I was the one who brought it up in the first place and then I never kept track of who had claimed/who hadn't until yesterday when someone else posted it.
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Post #275 (isolation #20) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:54 am
Postby Fykus »
Sorry lemon i honestly didnt see it. P.s was a pretty scummy post.
P.p.s being IC doesnt give someone free reign on staying out of discussions and/or important strategy participation
Carefully re-read his ISO and you'll possibly see it. But the tl;dr is I'm pretty positive he's town.
In post 290, rb wrote:Tbh I've never seen the BP claim thing Loopdan? In fact, how is this suddenly a thing you're insistent on when all of our previous newbie games together you haven't even suggested it at all?
I actually can't stand mechanical-clearing people and think it's a wholly shit way to teach newbies to play because matrix6 is designed to be a simplified manner in which they can learn how to scumhunt, not a setup to be exploited to try and get a win. Honestly the stupidest thing.
TBH I wasn't a fan of it when it was suggested in a game I was involved in either (in my first game we didn't find out we had a BP til day 2 when a nk was missed, which eventually led us to work out who scum were) but then I read this explanation. It makes sense for us to try it out, plus it gives opportunity early on for scum to slip up. Feel free to not participate in it but I'll take that as an admission of guilt and will push for your lynch today.
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Post #300 (isolation #25) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:21 pm
Postby Fykus »
I like how you're trying to distance yourself from scumbuddy lemon. I'd like for us townies to lynch rb first today so that newbscum lemon has to decide what to do with his night actions himself, rather than having experiencedscum rb find a good target.
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Post #308 (isolation #27) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:29 pm
Postby Fykus »
These discussions are best left for after the game or in some other discussion topic. Right now we're balls deep into day 1 with the bp claim strat already in place.
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Post #312 (isolation #28) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:32 pm
Postby Fykus »
In post 270, EccentricLemon wrote:I don't necessarily agree that it's right to go after rb for not supporting the BP claim thing. He's the IC, and the IC my last game tried their best to remain neutral and not get in the way of people trying different strategies. So he might not approve but not want to interfere. Idk if it's a universal IC thing or if it's just the one I happened to have. In any case, I want him to comment on it because there isn't much about it in his ISO. Personally, if I were to scumread him, it would be because of his complete certainty of players' alignments. Even being a seasoned player and the ISO doesn't excuse that kind of certainty in my book.
I keep getting confused between Tarkus and Fykus haha, they sound so similar.
In post 254, Aatami wrote:What are everyone's thoughts on the tarkus vs Sagittarius debate?
I agree that it's most likely town v. town. Neither of them strike me as scum, really. I think Tarkus' questions are very valid and constructive and Sagittarius' analysis is pretty thought out.
In post 243, Fykus wrote:
I'd like a claim from you three on your next posts please or I'll start voting as if a non claim is an admission of being scum.
Not really a fan of this take-charge attitude or the missed statement in my post. Even if Fykus just skimmed my post, my not BP claim was the last thing in the post, so it wasn't hard to miss. I agree it was a bit long and dreary, but especially if he's so concerned with the whole BP claim thing he should at least be skimming posts for that. What I'm trying to say is I don't like how this means or at least makes it seem that Fykus didn't read that post, which he should have expected was going to answer to a lot of statements made toward me at a time when my play was under scrutiny.
This whole post basically outs lemons and rb as scum buddies and I don't think anything rb can do can seperate himself from it now. I could be wrong though, and lemons might actually be town (I'll know for sure tomorrow) but the way rb is acting at the moment makes me pretty certain we've nailed scum here. We still have 2 mislynches until LyLo so I think its a safe bet to get rid of rb today.
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Post #322 (isolation #29) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:45 pm
Postby Fykus »
I like your thinking rb and I'm intrigued to learn more about your strategy because in the only mini normal I played I failed horribly (as scum). Unfortunately me and you aren't batting on the same team this game so hopefully in the future I'll be able to play another game with you on your side. This isn't it though.
After the game I'll explain my reasoning for "pushing" the BP strat in the first place.
hey lemons I just found your claim on the bottom of your big post, I think what happened was I thought that part was your profile signature thing lol.
In post 324, rb wrote:Kinda wish id just claimed BP to fuck with the game, but i know if i got lynched as town it sets a pretty shitty example as IC to lie as town and would be pretty demoralizing for the rest of the players and from a certain POV, anti-wincon.
If you had I would of got you lynched because I'd of known you were lying
In post 341, Sagittarius wrote:Rb, jeez, I'm not saying I expected you to be 100% caught up because you posted, I said you
saw the posts I mentioned
because you literally
commented
on the first and
quoted
the second one. It'd be cool if you said something like "oh damn, I guess I just didn't think about it :^)" but you're denying you completely didn't see them when you obviously did.
Yeah this is true and really hurts rb's argument here. I'm struggling with the idea that scum!rb has been bussing lemon since the start of the game tho.
Sagittarius, what's giving you a town read off lemon's recent posts?
It could be that rb is trying to distance themself hard from lemon because lemon put their foot into the grave and is dragging rb down with them. Or it could be that rb is a roleblocker and doesnt need lemon alive to win the game and is offering up lemon as a sacrificial lamb of sorts to get some town credit.
Creature it feels like you haven't read the last 5 or so pages at all. It's like you've completely ignored everything thats transpired and now you're after me for some reason? What do you hope to get out of me? A claim? I'd rather not. If you need to know something just ask me cause I'm an open book.
I'm not sure if I want to give scum!rb a chance at a night action or not. I feel like he could read between the lines and pick a target that will hurt town.
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Post #365 (isolation #34) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:13 pm
Postby Fykus »
In post 363, Pyra wrote:Sorry for not getting back to you guys as quickly as I probably should have. To answer both of your questions, I'm not town 1-shot bulletproof unless I read something wrong here (this is my first game here lol). Fykus what do you mean by "scumread slot" if I may ask?
Alot of people think the person you replaced was mafia. Are you mafia?
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Post #404 (isolation #37) » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:47 am
Postby Fykus »
Ok so this is a quick post before I go back and make a bigger one on my reasoning for everything and answering the questions you've asked me in the last 24 hours though.
I think it might of been lemon that incriminated rb for me (im gonna have to double check that). Basically the theory goes that if lemon is scum with rb we need to take out rb first because he knows what to do with his night actions. Especially considering he'd be able to "read between the lines" of whats been said. If you guys had read between the lines you'd probably know why I'm 99% certain that loopdan is town. Basically I don't want to reveal too much before tonight just incase we mislynch somebody and mafia keeps 2 people alive for the night.
p.s if you think im scum you should go back and read my scum game and you'll see the difference between that game is night and day.
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Post #405 (isolation #38) » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:06 pm
Postby Fykus »
Ok so I think I'm kind of back in the groove now. I think that this post:
In post 270, EccentricLemon wrote:I don't necessarily agree that it's right to go after rb for not supporting the BP claim thing. He's the IC, and the IC my last game tried their best to remain neutral and not get in the way of people trying different strategies. So he might not approve but not want to interfere. Idk if it's a universal IC thing or if it's just the one I happened to have. In any case, I want him to comment on it because there isn't much about it in his ISO. Personally, if I were to scumread him, it would be because of his complete certainty of players' alignments. Even being a seasoned player and the ISO doesn't excuse that kind of certainty in my book.
I keep getting confused between Tarkus and Fykus haha, they sound so similar.
In post 254, Aatami wrote:What are everyone's thoughts on the tarkus vs Sagittarius debate?
I agree that it's most likely town v. town. Neither of them strike me as scum, really. I think Tarkus' questions are very valid and constructive and Sagittarius' analysis is pretty thought out.
In post 243, Fykus wrote:
I'd like a claim from you three on your next posts please or I'll start voting as if a non claim is an admission of being scum.
Not really a fan of this take-charge attitude or the missed statement in my post. Even if Fykus just skimmed my post, my not BP claim was the last thing in the post, so it wasn't hard to miss. I agree it was a bit long and dreary, but especially if he's so concerned with the whole BP claim thing he should at least be skimming posts for that. What I'm trying to say is I don't like how this means or at least makes it seem that Fykus didn't read that post, which he should have expected was going to answer to a lot of statements made toward me at a time when my play was under scrutiny.
Is what gave me the scumread on lemon/rb. Basically lemon posts this as we're pressuring rb for a BP claim and then afterwards rb tries to distance himself hard from lemon. Things have settled down now in regards to everything so I've got less of a "lets lynch rb" harddon now. However if we wanted to clear rb all we'd have to do is lynch lemon and see what they flipped.
As for HKD I'm going to have to go back even further to see what gave me the thought that they were scum.
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Post #408 (isolation #39) » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:26 pm
Postby Fykus »
Yeah I'm saying that if lemon is scum then its highly likely that rb is their scum partner. As for your slot I'll go back and re-read my thoughts on it plus the posts HKD made to jog my memory of why I thought it was scum. As for you I think you're a bit too smart to be newbie.
Be back soon. Posting in between real life happenings
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Post #411 (isolation #40) » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:54 pm
Postby Fykus »
Right, so basically HKD just buggered about and posted 0 substance the entire time he was here and then finally dropped off the face of the earth (without claiming bp or not either).
@Pyra - couple of things:
-Could you give us your thoughts on the game so far
-What experience have you got playing mafia (not on here you've already said this is your first game)
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Post #446 (isolation #48) » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:10 pm
Postby Fykus »
Agree with tarkus. Theres 18 pages for you to examine and at least get a read from. With a couple days until the deadline now isnt the time to be pussy footing around pyra
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Post #448 (isolation #49) » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:17 pm
Postby Fykus »
Fwiw the bp claim was my idea. Also it generally disadvantages mafia. The whole thing was thought up as a way to improve town win rates. If youd like to learn more me and ladpool have both posted about it when arguing with rb
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Post #451 (isolation #50) » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:18 pm
Postby Fykus »
It's curious that lemon says that hes got this good read to give us and then just disappears into the sunset on vla without mentioning a time frame with a few days left until the time runs out on this day. I also have a sneaking suspicion that Pyra is more experienced at this game than they let on. Looking at some of the lengthier posts you can see a kind of thought process that takes a few games to develop properly on here. An alt account maybe? Or maybe scum who knows what they're doing? Might be something for us to press on tomorrow.
For now though we need to find ourselves a good (hopefully) lynch target that'll bring us closer to solving the game. I am not that target - I'm valuable to the town alive. But anywho,
In post 441, Sagittarius wrote:I got really goddamn sick so if you need something from me in particular just yell at me
Two days for a deadline doesn't sound too good , sounds like people are still in pressure mode jsntead of lynch mode
For me;
Preferred lynch target is still rb although idk if anyone is on board anymore.
bother me for a point by point case, it's not just the BP thing
Fykus is second preferred lynch target, "
can compromise onto Lemon
Will throw a hissy fit if we lynch anyone else. Probably. Idk I'm tired . bye
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Post #461 (isolation #51) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:37 am
Postby Fykus »
Tarkus i know you're town and you dont trust me much but can you please consider putting rb at L-1 so we can push for s claim? Theres 2 or 3 days left and we need to hurry it along. If you like his answer then revote me. If anyone hammers then we can lynch them tomorrow
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Post #472 (isolation #53) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:14 pm
Postby Fykus »
Welp youre forcing me to claim. Give me an hour and ill post on my lunch break. Please refrain from hammering until then. Lynch whoever does if it happens
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Post #492 (isolation #57) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:15 pm
Postby Fykus »
I only suggested to use it on rb to see if he would fake a claim. I asked what a pr is supposed to do when theyre at L-1 if we're not supposed to claim since my wagon was gaining traction. If you havent noticed ive been hinting the entire game that im a pr. Why do you think im so cocksure and taking charge of the game? I wont come out and tell you my role unless im at L1 again since i dont want to confirm scums suspicions of what setup we're in since theyd have a rough idea (if they have a rb or not). But anyway thanks for painting a target on my back tonight.
Heres why we should lynch rb: if he flips scum we know its either lemon or pyra thats his buddy. If he flips town it clears lemon. And town can start to figure out who the scum team is.