Newbie 1795 | Summer | Endgame

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There are two players who got replaced in and have yet to post, which we can't really fault them for. The guy I'm voting posted once, and didn't really contribute anything with that post.

Hey guys just skimmed through the game. Seems to be picking up a little. Cero what do you mean by resistance?

Vote: yourenotmydad

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OK I was just wondering you referenced it multiple times I think. So since Cinderella is getting replaced and you voted her to "get the ball rolling" why not vote yournotmydad instead?

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No my bad I read that backwards they replaced in I'm sorry about that. There's no reason to change your vote now so never mind.

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I'm tempted to L-1 you but I suppose I shouldn't, just in case scum decide to pull a fast one.

VOTE: Jax Teller

Because I hated jax by the end of that show.

Just reread what's happened so far. This seems to be the only significant thing that's happened so far unless I just missed something. Not sure why the topic died so quickly I guess that the fact this is rvs is why. If fykus puts him at L-1 he just Unvotes himself more than likely. It does seem like an attempt at towncred. If you're afraid to vote him there's no need to mention the fact you kind of want to.

vote: Fykus

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That's completely understandable. I also agree. Too many people who haven't posted yet and the fact that yourenotmydad has only posted once. I'm not sure you'll get anywhere with that either he may get replaced. Too early for strong reads. I just didn't see the need to comment on anything else as nothing seemed too important to me.

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I'm curious why you feel the need to defend Cero68, jjh927.


Good lord the numbers.

I never think it's a good thing to mention you'd like to vote but don't for so and so reason. You're making a point to mention it which is odd to me because you obviously don't want to or else you would... This post seems a little odd. I agreed with your response.

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No I don't have a problem with voting for no reason because as you said it's usually a pressure vote. What I have a problem with is mentioning you'd "like" to vote them but then not doing so... Why even mention it? To get town cred. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.

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It's fine. I'm not sure there's anything else worth discussing at the moment.

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I wanted to get a feel for the other not so active players. Mind you it is just the second day that this game started, but more information is better.

How are you going to "get a feel" for a player who hasn't posted yet?

The problem is that he hasn't followed up on the pressure at all

r u sure

How would have cero followed up on his pressure? It really seems like he hasn't. Why are you pushing cero here? Cero seems to have voted that guy simply to get him to post.

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I went back and read the rules and tried to understand the vote tag. So there's something else other than just bolding the vote?

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OK thanks. When I asked how cero would follow up on his pressure that was a response to Zito. Zito asked are you sure? And I stated it really seems like cero hasn't followed up on his pressure.

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Zito what are your thoughts on fykus?

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Also interested to see what fykus and Cece think of the recent conversations between jj and Zito.

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I mean, this is a newbie game, but you've dived straight after the lowest hanging fruit active in the game and poked them a little. The advantage of pressuring LHF in the RVS is that they're likely to respond in some way shape or form that you can then push and get responses out of and that gets the game running, but I don't think you've made a significant effort to do that.

Regardless of whether Zito thinks this is an argument against his play style or not I feel like this is a good point.

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Cece I think the only reason Zito voted cero is because that's an easy person to throw a vote on at the moment. I don't think he has too much reason to. Which it's still early in day 1 it's pretty easy to throw a vote on anyone without having much reason still.

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Zito I do believe I see where you're coming from. Although I don't completely disagree with jj. Fykus didn't you state you thought Zito "won"?

VOTE: cero68

Hopefully I did it right this time.

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Yeah I'm not sure how I feel about cero's last post. Not mafia what do you think about fykus's claim against jj? Zito seems to only be focusing on cero at the moment.

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VOTE: not_mafia

He seems to be posting a little but not making any kind of effort to find scum.

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Why is the BP strategy such a big deal on this site?

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Thanks for the explanation guys lol.

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Hi New players. Not sure about the town lean on fykus from Arnold. Even though he made that case against jj he's still a scum lean for me because of his l-1 comment.

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VOTE: fykus

Okay I'll push.

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Kawl and Arnold what are your thoughts on Zito?

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I'm tempted to L-1 you but I suppose I shouldn't, just in case scum decide to pull a fast one.

VOTE: Jax Teller

Because I hated jax by the end of that show.

The way Fykus mentions he'd like to put him at L-1 here then doesn't. Easy attempt for town cred but jj would have more than likely Unvoted himself. Fykus then blows this off a few posts later. Zito and jj get into a discussion and Fykus states jj won... Seems "convenient" to me that jj lost his discussion with Zito after jj was the one who brought up Fykus' L-1 comment. I personally don't think either side "won" that discussion. Then Fykus' post on 132 seems to be grasping at straws a little. It's also very well put together and planned out which makes me see Fykus' argument as "I'm scum defending myself trying to throw the attention on jj"

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Not_Mafia do you have any town or scum reads?

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I'm not sure how you can call it hopping on wagons for town cred at this point when nobody has had 3 votes on them. There's been hardly any pressure applied to anyone this game so far. Fykus play after his comment seems scummy to me. Not_mafias play seems just as scummy right now. If I'm not mistaken they're both voting jj right now... Very odd feeling to me.

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I also think town should have pushed fykus more. Honestly at this point though not_mafias lack of cooperation and scum hunting is pretty alarming. He's keeping up with the game and has absolutely no reads.

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Zito is bribg up great points as well if anyone is wondering where I stand on that conversation.

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See I was feeling like when fykus said he had a gut feeling it'd be me. Maybe it's not. I was just going off the fact that you pointed out his L-1 comment. Then he made a case against you. I pointed out his L-1 comment... And I'm really interested to see who fykus pushes next.

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As I said I'm really interested to see who you'll be pushing next.

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I mean Fykus at the time had 2 votes? To me there's not a real threat of a wagon until he's at least L-2 so I would have liked to have seen him get there. I think his comment is getting a little less attention than it should because of how early in rvs it is. I'm fine with you saying he's null right now but I don't see how you could town lean Fykus at this moment.

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Why is fykus pushing jj though? The only guy that has brought up the L-1 comment other than me. Then fykus consistently pushes jj. Much easier cases are to be made against Not_mafia and maybe even cero right now rather than making a case against jj. Wouldn't scum try to do what town would be doing anyway?

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I understand kawls reluctance to the strategy. Either way it's a good idea. Not BP. Unless not_mafia confirms pretty soon he's not shit posting I feel like we should lynch him.

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He was my 2nd biggest scum lean. Towns not supposed to lie anyway. And as jj said he derailed the conversation. It's not sudden from me I haven't liked his play until this point.

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True. I guess we wait.

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Well in the meantime you could post you're case that you said you were making. It's fine if you'd like to wait but I would like to see it eventually. Since you mentioned it.

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So if someone claims BP can we take turns claiming jail keeper then tracker to make sure he's telling the truth? I'm not a fan of his game up until this point.

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I'm counterclaiming.

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I'll be at home in about 20 minutes. I'm phone posting. Jj is correct.

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I'm not sure what his goal is. Even if he's scum and I were to get lynched today he would for sure get lynched tomorrow.

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VOTE: not_mafia

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It's a scum, town pr trade anyway if I was to be lynched. Not_Mafia messed up.

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Look even before his claim based on his play alone he seemed scummy. Also his "no counter argument" post makes him look even worse.

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Yeah I'd like to see what others have to say about this. I'm not taking my vote off though because he's not BP.

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As I said. I'm lynched. Flip pr then NM is lynched. So town gets a ton of information out of that. You'd rather not lynch town when you don't have to though.

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OK NM. So why aren't you OK with the idea that you're lynched. You flip BP. Then I'm lynched immediately? Town gets a ton of information out of that. town trades a PR for a scum. You don't seem to be alright with you getting lynched to put town in a better position though.

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tchill has literally no argument

I'm not arguing because I'm a PR that understands trading a PR for scum is still okay as town. That with the fact that you've looked scummy because of your post before your claim.

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I believe what NM is doing is "I'm gonna commit this act as scum then state scum would never do that".

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NM literally didn't even scum hunt. I asked for reads from him earlier and he said he didn't have any. The only times he's posted was in HIS interest not towns. I was surprised by NM's claim because that is an absolutely terrible move on scum. Especially in the long run. It's a 1 to 1 trade even if it goes scums way.

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Not_Mafia do you have any other reads or any other players other than me?

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I don't have any strong reads, and I'm not saying anything positive or negative about Cece being an alt, it's just speculation

After this post NM's next post he claimed bp. Nothing has happened other than this conversation about the counter claim for him to read Fykus and cero as possible scum.

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This is an extremely minor event from my standpoint because I'm a PR. There's no need to defend myself because Ik a PR trade for scum still helps. You looked scummy before your claim. Your argument as to why I might be scum CC'ing makes little to no sense. You had no reads before this discussion and now all of a sudden you do.

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Not_Mafia who's your strongest town read?

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I just wanted to see his reads so after he flips scum we have something to go off. Someone can hammer now.

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Why didn't you scum hunt a lot before you're claim? I figured you were busy but because of how active you are during this discussion I'm not sure now.

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Alright. I'm done until new players get on to decide for themselves.

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VOTE: papa Zito

I feel like Zito was pushing cero pretty well but cero was an easy push.

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The fykus kill is extremely alarming. It would make sense to keep him alive because he would've been an easy push. If it wasn't for that I'd say it was probably a random kill. Now I doubt that. It makes sense for Zito to push cero hard and early if he's scum seeing how NM's play very early wasn't too strong.

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I'm about to get on a flight.

I'm down to hammer before I do so. I don't think there's really anything to gain here.

This is what throws kawl into the scum lean for me. States he's OK with a hammer then disappears. He gave a reason but I'm not sure if I can believe that seeing how if he's scum he knew where that conversation was going.

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Tbh if I'm scum I hammer there for town cred.

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So you have my 3 scum leans. Zito, kawl and Arnold in that order... If anything hammering conf scum puts you on his wagon. While the 1st thing ppl are going to look at are the other two "wagons" that weren't not_mafia

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I'm a new player not an alt. So I'm not gonna act like I'm right on every read. I don't think it's necessary AI indicative either just something to look at.

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Both cases make a lot of sense and are pretty solid.

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I completely agree with you on it taking some of the fun out of the game and I really would like to see the setup fixed so it's no longer a factor. That said, I have a wincon to play to and that strat helps me achieve it.

Earlier I told kawl I understood where he's coming from but the BP strategy is the way to play if you want to win. So I think the fact that you'd argue against a strategy that's known for helping town win is questionable.

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I would legitimately be treating anyone who sided with NM as conftown right now. That is how little towncred hammering NM gets you.

What's more odd is that jj posted this then immediately made a case on Cece based on the fact she questioned the call for a quick lynch on NM.

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And the soft defend is what looked so odd to you. OK that makes sense.

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The only thing that stands out to me about zitos case on kawl is that it came immediately after I stated kawl was my 2nd scum read.

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Zito other than me who's your town reads so far? I read jj as town but I'm not too sure about anyone else. Honestly it just seems like there's not enough activity to go off of. Could just be me though.

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Sorry for asking I just thought that was more of a run down of what had happened from you rather than direct reads on players. Although you read Cece as town I like jj's case against her. Kowls input at the beginning of the day phase wasn't very helpful though.

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jj what good does it do if I confirm cop?

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Cece what do you think about Zito case on fykus? You don't like the basis of his case?

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OK I'm confirmed cop

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Kawl do you have any scum reads at this point?

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Arnold why do you feel that Zito is more scummy than Cece? Jj makes good points in his case against Cece.

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I'd also like to know why Zito is town? I feel like Cece is town. Out of the two alone she seems more towny to me than Zito.

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In that case I believe Arnold would be scum between Cece and Arnold.

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VOTE: Arnold

While I'm not completely sold on the idea that Zito is town I do believe that Arnold seems scummier at this very moment.

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Went back and re-read a few things. After a few thoughts I'm thinking Arnold or Cece should be lynched today. I'm just not sure which one. I'd prefer that jj and Zito give their reads on which of the 2 they think is scum. Arnold hammered NM and specifically stated that he doesn't think hammering there would give town cred. Specifically stating that he shouldn't get town cred stands out to me. I really, really like jj's case against Cece.

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Fykus is an obvious alt, so I'm curious to see what he'll do.

I think Cece is an alt

Also this is a thing. Not sure why. Wouldn't it be funny if they were mafia together?

I apologize if I repeat anything anyone has said about Cece to this point just trying to build my own case. OK so this post needs more attention. If Cece is scum To me this comes off as cece trying to push a possible scum pair EARLY. She would know NM is scum and seeing how NM looked scummy for the entirety of his game she could sense it was going in a bad direction. Which is why she would "shade" this as jj put it.

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Ah no! Oh dear sorry, stupid arse week. Let's look at the last..two pages? Ok well guess I can't complain tis also my fault.

Ok have read thru again.
VOTE: NotMafia

this is not just a lurking/post more prod, a don't think it would do much b would be hypocritical, but seriously all the way those one-liners are going doesn't advance the game, at most it's just questions that he don't seem to follow up on, and I don't see a single honest scumhunting effort even implied in his posts.

It *might* just be a result of not lurking much, but my gut also says that.. I dunno, there's something there. His stuff just also feels contrived, and have difficulty seeing a town mindset behind it. For instance post 133 (I don't know how to link) is v much jumping on the bandwagon - no not even that, cause it's expressing lack of knowledge. Does he even have opinions?

Two replacements - want to see more, but liking Kal so far. jj still town, Fykus/Zito ehhh, Cero more town than before but that might be cause I find NM scummier.

If Cece is scum this seems to be an attempt from Cece to warn her scum partner early. She states exactly what he's doing wrong and tells him what he should do. As the BP claim came about and I CC'd there's no reason for her to take her vote off NM. It was clear NM was going to get lynched. I don't see this as an attempt at scum hunting from Cece it comes off more as a warning to her partner to me. Maybe I'm just pushing a certain view point too much which is why I'd like jj and zitos opinions.

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Yeah I'm done fucking about with Kawl. That little exchange was hilarious but I mainly wanted other people to comment on it.

That's a legitimate concern and also the reason why I was pushing this to later, but I do believe we need to do this if we're playing to win.

However, I think we can get this done efficiently and get right back into scumhunting, provided people are active. Things end up getting slowed down when someone disagrees.


We may already have a resolution. If Not_Mafia is telling the truth then we're already done. If he was just shitposting then he is seriously getting lynched.

I understand kawls reluctance to the strategy. Either way it's a good idea. Not BP. Unless not_mafia confirms pretty soon he's not shit posting I feel like we should lynch him.

Why the sudden call for lynch, you two? You weren't voting him before, and I seriously doubt that shitposting (this way, anyway) is a huge scumtell.

VOTE: Cece

and there's the fact that Cece comes off here as trying to defend NM. Even then once again Cece could be begging for NM to reply he's shit posting. That's what it seems like to me.

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UNVOTE:

I feel like jj and Zito are definitely town. If anything they've scum hunted more than anyone else no matter their "play style" disagreeing with someone's play style is one thing but if you look at their play from a broad perspective instead of nit picking they both make good cases based on the way they stated they play.

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Thanks for stating why you said it. I was looking at isos and didn't realize I had brought that up Arnold. I apologize.

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Also Cece hasn't really scum hunted. She hopped on NM the earliest then stayed there for obvious reasons. She hopped on Zito with basically the same case as Arnold I believe then hopped off because she put him at L-1. I'm leaning towards voting Cece but would like to see other reads.

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It came off as she didn't agree with his play style at least.

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I'd also like to see Zito's response to jj voting Arnold. Like I said Cece and Arnold are my 2 scum leans at this point.

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Cece what do you think about Arnold at this point? Does Zito still seem scummier to you?

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VOTE: Arnold

I'm not sure if cero is just busy or what but I'd like to see some more interactions involving him.

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I don't mean to be putting words into jj's mouth but from MY point of view it seems that jj is judging these pushes based on their motivation behind the push rather than the push itself. If I'm wrong I'd like to know because that's how I'm viewing it.

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I'm not answering for him that's how I'm reading what he's saying and I'd like to know if I'm wrong about it that's why I'm putting it out there.

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As much as I think Arnold is scum I'm going to point out kowl hasn't done too much since jj unvoted him after voting him just to see what comments would be made. I understood you're scum lean on Cece came from interactions on day 1 rather than her case on day 2. The Zito cases do suck. I scum leaned Zito because they NK'd fykus and roll blocked me so scum has to know what they're doing. I doubt the fykus kill was random.

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We know there's just 1 scum in the game at this point so I'm not sure why defending someo would alarm you.

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So if someone claims BP can we take turns claiming jail keeper then tracker to make sure he's telling the truth? I'm not a fan of his game up until this point.

The dude is confirmed town unless someone counterclaims. The way you're trying to out other PRs is extremely antitown.

I'd vote you but I'm not sure just how new you are.

I understand at this point in the game Arnold makes a good point but I suggested that knowing nobody would claim jail keeper or tracker and I didn't want to out myself this early... Anyways Arnold's attempt here to shift the vote early is worth pointing out in my opinion.

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Cece I think made 1 comment about my push on her. Cero and kowl even though they might be busy or whatever aren't playing too much either. Either one of them could be scum. So while Arnold and Cece are my too scum reads at this point I'd like to see more from kowl and cero. Neither are making an attempt to scum hunt.

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Because if you're scum you saw an opportunity to shift the vote and you showed that you wanted to about as early as you could. The only reason you don't vote me right there is if NM flips scum and you're on me not NM.

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Cero seems like he's lurking and when he does Posts he posts on the most recent matter and he tends to follow the crowd

VOTE: cero68

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We lynched scum day 1. I propose that if we don't have any solid reads on anyone come time to lynch we lynch one of the inactive slots, cero or kowl. Even if they aren't scum then scum will be trying to bring these guys to LyLo. There's a high chance I get NK'd after this lynch. We should at least get rid of one of these slots. Zito and jj have been pretty actively scum hunting. Cece and Arnold both have tunneled Zito. In my opinion Cece has done more scum hunting herself than Arnold. There's been no case made against jj but Zito's and jj's play to me seem similarly towny. Either way if scum has the way they want it then kowl or cero will be in LyLo. If they're not replaced or more active in the near future we need to lynch them unless we KNOW someone else is scum.

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That's my suggestion on the current game state. I understand if they're busy but we need townies that will contribute a decent amount. That's just how it is and I don't think anyone would disagree. Zito and jj are my only town reads.

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I know right. It's obvious scum would like to take them to lylo though. That's a given.

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I'm fine with lynching Arnold.

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I apologize kawl.

VOTE: Arnold

I think that puts him at L-1.

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The BP claim wasn't a good move and I doubt much thought was put into it.

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Kawl can you do a read list?

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Arnold and jj what do you think of the Zito argument kowl just pointed out? I agree with jj it makes a good case for scum Zito.

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I don't like the fact that Zito points put the fykus kill fits a as a defensive move for scum kowl. Kind of alarming to me.

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Sorry jj. I'd like to hear Arnold, Cece and ceros opinions on it though.

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Jj I think lynching Zito this day phase is the right move.

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VOTE: kawl

Went back and read his iso. Nothing stood out to me in terms of him scum hunting it didn't seem like he brought a lot to the table. It looked to me like he contradicted himself once or twice while talking about scums play in reaction to NM's BP claim. If kawl flips town I'm pretty confident it's Arnold.