Newbie 1821: The Newlywed Game [Game Over][

[Sunlit Diamond]

Fair enough. Although I'd like to point out that RC's entire game here was pushing town around and trying gambits (some obvious, some only applicable if he's actually scum). I'm not sure Plus Minus being suspicious at that point is actually all that unbelievable.

[Huntress]

Yes, but it wasn't the best time for him to mention it. Better to wait for the next Day, not to raise doubt on it before night. It seemed in hindsight as if he was trying to get confirmation on whether or not it was true.

[Huntress]

I don't like the way Assembler's been logged in today but hasn't posted here.

[Sunlit Diamond]

I mean...

From my perspective, wanting to know the truth makes sense. If RC was lying then you (as in the players at that time) didn't have to enter lylo at all.


And neither do I (re: Assembler).

[Huntress]

Except that it was almost deadline so very unlikely that RC could have been lynched at that point.

[Assemblerotws]

Do either of you have any actual complaints against me?
I'm actually starting to worry about Diamond right now. Townreads are being destroyed all over the place.

[Huntress]

You could start by replying to the posts addressed to you on the previous page.

[Sunlit Diamond]

day.

so what does this leave us for lylo in the off chance darren flips town? rc is confirmed inno but likely dead and he says that he checked huntress?

anyone have a problem with me putting darren at l-1?

So this post is interesting.

A) RC was claiming a PR. Judging by the super confusing conversation between him and Darren, it sounds like he was soft-pushing for Cop.
B) NSG knew she was Tracker and therefore RC was lying.

At this point the only reason I can see for NSG not outing RC is if:

A) She tracked RC and RC did nothing, but an NK was performed

B) She did not track RC, but thought that having him in lylo would be useful.

In path B, the ways I could see this being useful, based on the post I quoted:

- If Darren flipped scum, game over.
- If Darren flipped town and RC died that night, then the Tracker is still alive in lylo to sort Plus Minus and Huntress.
- If Darren flipped town and RC didn't die, then NSG could Track Huntress and by POE know who scum is.

Except you know, she died.

[Sunlit Diamond]

(And just to clarify A - the Cop part doesn't actually matter much, except that it implies that he didn't know what the setup was, which would imply town.)

And yes! My reads are bouncing around. I have a lot of information to process, not a lot of time to do it, and not a lot of response to what I've posted. Also a play style that I struggle with (RC's) versus someone who doesn't post much at all (Huntress)

[Sunlit Diamond]

day.

so what does this leave us for lylo in the off chance darren flips town? rc is confirmed inno but likely dead and he says that he checked huntress?

anyone have a problem with me putting darren at l-1?

So this post is interesting.

A) RC was claiming a PR. Judging by the super confusing conversation between him and Darren, it sounds like he was soft-pushing for Cop.
B) NSG knew she was Tracker and therefore RC was lying.

At this point the only reason I can see for NSG not outing RC is if:

A) She tracked RC and RC did nothing, but an NK was performed

B) She did not track RC, but thought that having him in lylo would be useful.

In path B, the ways I could see this being useful, based on the post I quoted:

- If Darren flipped scum, game over.
- If Darren flipped town and RC died that night, then the Tracker is still alive in lylo to sort Plus Minus and Huntress.
- If Darren flipped town and RC didn't die, then NSG could Track Huntress and by POE know who scum is.

Except you know, she died.

Looking at this further-

Town!RC knows he's not PR. That means at least one of the other three are, and possibly two. Perhaps he claims PR in hopes of getting the NK and/or roleblock so the Tracker/Cop can go into lylo and blow the place up.

[Sunlit Diamond]

Flipping it around:

Scum!RC knows Darren will flip town.
He also knows he'll survive the night.
He has to choose between Huntress (scummy voting and posting habits), NSG (who has been going after Huntress hard core) and Plus Minus (who, as previously detailed, pushed for, and followed through with, lynching Nictis, and generally spent the thread trying to gamesolve).

In this scenario it makes very, very little sense for RC to kill NSG. She has given no hint to her role and she's actively combative with Huntress; why wouldn't he take that strife into lylo?

[Sunlit Diamond]

Scum!Plus Minus would have to make the same decision, only split between RC/NSG/Huntress. Again, it makes no sense for him to choose NSG in this scenario.

[Sunlit Diamond]

Do either of you have any actual complaints against me?
I'm actually starting to worry about Diamond right now. Townreads are being destroyed all over the place.

My main issues right now are that you aren't talking and you accepted bad logic, which implies either that you are scum hoping for a quick lynch, or you aren't putting any effort into your wincon as town.

If you can actually talk to me about the stuff I just posted, that would be awesome.

[Sunlit Diamond]

I would rather make an active choice and be wrong than let things sit to the end and lose by default. I'm going to vote in one hour. If you're town, tell me why. If you have last minute questions for me, make them.

[Huntress]

Flipping it around:

Scum!RC knows Darren will flip town.
He also knows he'll survive the night.
He has to choose between Huntress (scummy voting and posting habits), NSG (who has been going after Huntress hard core) and Plus Minus (who, as previously detailed, pushed for, and followed through with, lynching Nictis, and generally spent the thread trying to gamesolve).

In this scenario it makes very, very little sense for RC to kill NSG. She has given no hint to her role and she's actively combative with Huntress; why wouldn't he take that strife into lylo?

I think the fact that I was strongly townreading him may have fed into this, also the fact that both Plus and I had claimed VT, so he would know NSG was PR, and wouldn't want either of us cleared.

[Cabd]

Votecount 4-7

It is currently day four. With 3 players alive, it will take 2 votes to lynch or force a no-lynch.


Not Voting (3): Huntress, Assemblerotws, Sunlit Diamond

The deadline for day four was set at 2 weeks from the start of the day. The current timer can be seen here: (expired on 2017-10-29 21:32:24)

[Huntress]

Scum!Plus Minus would have to make the same decision, only split between RC/NSG/Huntress. Again, it makes no sense for him to choose NSG in this scenario.

He would have to have guessed who the PR was, which is why it bothered me that he was raising the question.

[Sunlit Diamond]

Is that the only reason you're scum reading this slot?

Why are you so heavily town reading RC?

[Sunlit Diamond]

It also makes absolute sense for you to pull my slot into LyLo because RC lied and plus minus questioned it. Easy push to lynch.

[Sunlit Diamond]

Supported by your gray response to Plus Minus threatening to vote you. Why wouldn't that be a scum read for you?

[Sunlit Diamond]

VOTE: Huntress

Still around to talk, assuming Assembler shows up in time to keep this from defaulting.

[Huntress]

Is that the only reason you're scum reading this slot?

Why are you so heavily town reading RC?

That, and Plus's posting at the begining of Day four which looked off. But it was partly poe.

The townread on RC was a meta read that I was pretty sure about. This was his town game, but it is possible that he has managed to emulate it as scum. Assembler's play is not giving me the same feeling.

Supported by your gray response to Plus Minus threatening to vote you. Why wouldn't that be a scum read for you?

It was. That was one of the posts that I was referring to. But I wanted to test his motive for threatening to vote me while making a case for RC being scum.

[Huntress]

I'm pretty sure he'll turn up. It's looking more and more like he was just waiting for one of us to vote.

[Sunlit Diamond]

If I got hoodwinked, I'll bake town cookies. Like actual, real cookies.

[Sunlit Diamond]

Huntress- why aren't you voting?