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Post #183 (isolation #10) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 4:48 pm
Postby Spiffeh »
Ok I just tried to make something out of the ISO's of MattP and Nacho but they are firmly in my null pile.
Starbuck I expect more from. She's been around enough where she could have weighed in on game relevant things but opted not to.
She acknowledged me calling her scum but didn't even ask why
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Post #232 (isolation #16) » Sat Dec 05, 2015 7:01 am
Postby Spiffeh »
Starbuck's response to her wagon is why we wagon people early fyi
I am a little surprised of how easily the wagon built up but I can't say I don't like it. I'm not a daycop if that's what people are actually voting SB for?
I called you scum because instead of contributing to an RVS wagon you chose to vote for someone else.
I'm aware that's mostly a shit reason but it's as good a reason as any to scum read you in RVS.
In post 202, Starbuck wrote:As I said when I saw that post, I went to bed early. Way to completely misrepresent, Spiffeh.
What did I misrepresent though? You didn't say you were going to bed early until after I made that post so I don't understand what I could possibly be misrepresenting.
Starbuck the main issue I have with your response is how you kinda mud-sling everything under the sun relating to your wagon BUT don't follow it up with a vote. You're also using buzz words for me like "tunneling" and "opportunistic". Seriously I've been making a conscious effort to NOT tunnel anyone this game because I know that has fucked me over in the past so I really don't see how I'm tunneling you.
You also say you think I'm town and then a few posts later list me as acting scummy so which is it?
I really don't like this post especially when you're one of the people on the wagon.
Like if you think it's bad why not vote elsewhere or pick it apart?
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Post #269 (isolation #23) » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:36 am
Postby Spiffeh »
Syryana's Starbuck case seems like the Syryana I remember from a recent blitz game where he was town. He made a similarly biased case on Firebringer so that doesn't bother me.
But then his most recent post looks like he's trying to deflect the heat he's getting for his Starbuck case onto me by saying I "instigated" it.
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Post #385 (isolation #24) » Sun Dec 06, 2015 4:06 am
Postby Spiffeh »
UNVOTE:
In post 271, Starbuck wrote:2. You misrepresented me when you said that I opted to not weigh in on things. I was weighing in on things, but apparently not the things that you wanted me to weigh in on. So, again, why not ask me what my thoughts were rather that misrepresent me as "opting not to weigh in on things?" All you ever have to do is ask and I'll answer. I fucking hate assumptions.
First of all, no. Before my vote on you the only thing you really did was acknowledge my and DGB's scumread of you. You made several p. irrelevant posts after that when I feel like there was enough you could engage with and you chose not to. And I hate hate HATE that now you're trying to turn my valid point against me because I didn't hold your hand and ask you questions before voting which is like not even a bad thing?
I also really don't like that when you're getting wagoned you call the naked voters scummy but you don't apply this same argument to Syryana's wagon. I get that you're scum reading him but if you were so offended about the naked voters on your wagon I feel like they should be giving you some pause here. You pulled out all the stops to discredit your wagon but turn a blind eye when he is being wagoned in a similar way. You are only concerned about yourself and not at all concerned with discerning Syryana's alignment.
lmk when you start having opinions that aren't wrong
MattP is town because of post 319.
↑MattP wrote:Spiffeh regularly plays sloppy in RVS bc he tries so hard to pull it out of RVS. That was what led me to think he was scum in my last game with him and he was town. Ya he's pulled himself together nicely since.
<3
All of Nacho, texcat, davesaz, and DGB are underwhelming and I'm grappling between trying to start a wagon on one of them or voting for Starbuck.
I'm leaning towards voting Starbuck. VOTE: Starbuck
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Post #392 (isolation #26) » Sun Dec 06, 2015 4:41 am
Postby Spiffeh »
In post 386, Starbuck wrote:I didn't ask you to hold my hand, but you definitely wanted me to comment on specific items and you are using that against me because I didn't comment on what you wanted me to. Deflection aside, you could use this same exact argument on Iecerint or a few others, too. It isn't a fair assessment at all. If you were curious about my thoughts on a certain matter all you had to do is ask. Not make statements from the get go that I'm sum and not follow up with anything but asking where I was.
I mean yeah a lot of people were being p. useless at the time but having recently completed a game with you I felt it would be most useful to pressure you. And your outrage at how seemingly arbitrary it was sounded like caught scum.
PEdit: Wait you guys are actually lovers? I thought that was a joke for ~reasons~
Ok fine VOTE: davesaz
ISO is shit let's wagon this.
Not a fan of how you brought that up but I guess it's kinda necessary that it's made clear so w/e
PEdit2: I guess it's a little weird but I feel like scum would be more eager to claim when under heavy pressure so I see less scum motivation in not claiming. Do you disagree?
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Post #393 (isolation #27) » Sun Dec 06, 2015 4:45 am
Postby Spiffeh »
In post 389, Starbuck wrote:2. When it comes to the naked voters and your allusion to 203, I said "I don't know what's scummier" and "Those are all scummy actions in retrospect." However, a scummy action isn't automatically indicative of scum. We mislynch on this site all the fucking time.
In post 389, Starbuck wrote:2. When it comes to the naked voters and your allusion to 203, I said "I don't know what's scummier" and "Those are all scummy actions in retrospect." However, a scummy action isn't automatically indicative of scum. We mislynch on this site all the fucking time.
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Post #664 (isolation #30) » Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:07 pm
Postby Spiffeh »
In post 404, Starbuck wrote:I know that I'm town and you're stating, and believing, that I'm scum from my fucking RVS vote. I'm scum, according to you, because I didn't vote on whatever RVS wagon that you wanted to get going. You deem that as a scummy action and it's from that action that you've based your entire push on me. While you and DGB may deem that as a scummy action, for some ridiculous reason or another, I know that I am in fact town. So scummy actions aren't indicative of scum. Seriously, go look at the number of games that I was lynched as a VT on Day 1 because all these people swore that I was scum.
Are you seriously trying to act like my entire reason for scum reading you is because of your RVS vote? You have been devoting several posts to this issue when I brought it up like twice in total and even admitted that is was a pretty weak reason. If you'd like restate my arguments I will but don't try to misrepresent my reasons like that.
And saying scummy actions are not indicative of scum is just such a ridiculous assertion I don't know what to say. I refuse to believe you actually buy this and I think you're resorting to this terrible argument just to get me off your back.
Bottom line: you're choosing to focus on such a small part of my argument and putting my valid points on the back-burner, and the way you're resorting to the pitiful argument of "scummy actions aren't scummy" makes me think you're panicking. I still want you to do that analysis/whatever of naked and unexplained votes on Syryana that you promised.
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Post #665 (isolation #31) » Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:10 pm
Postby Spiffeh »
In post 434, MattP wrote:But then when called out says he was intending to vote texcat but then iso'd him and changed his mind? That's some weird contradictory shenanigans
I do this all the time and I think I've done it with texcat this game so why is it scummy for him and not for me?
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Post #685 (isolation #35) » Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:35 pm
Postby Spiffeh »
@Matt
In post 163, Spiffeh wrote:Lynching the miller claim is something I'd expect scum to hop on for an easy stance to have with little explanation so dave and texcat can be scum.
Also every D1 miller claim I have encountered on this site has been town so we're not lynching LLD.
PEdit: them
In post 170, Spiffeh wrote:Actually jk texcat's post 137 reminds me of a recent blitz game where she was town.
This game is a null fest so far
I did it in Cougar's Den too
Bottom line it's a bad reason to scum read Iecerint
In post 163, Spiffeh wrote:Lynching the miller claim is something I'd expect scum to hop on for an easy stance to have with little explanation so dave and texcat can be scum.
Also every D1 miller claim I have encountered on this site has been town so we're not lynching LLD.
Both of these stances are fairly shallow: lynching Miller claims based on policy is not "easy" when policy lynches haven't been a thing for very long now, and calling suspicion of a player scummy without actually looking into a player's suspicions is dumb.
Calling LLD town because she claimed Miller is as terrible as calling her scum because she claimed Miller.
I was calling the stance easy, not making the push itself (which you'll notice neither of them actually do). It gives them an easy place to find their footing early on (especially when neither of them were any part of other discussions) that people wouldn't necessarily find scummy. It's something to hide behind as everyone else goes after each other.
I don't get your second sentence.
LLD hasn't given me a reason to question it so I don't really care.
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Post #690 (isolation #37) » Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:46 pm
Postby Spiffeh »
In post 686, MattP wrote:What you just quoted isn't the same as the sort of contradiction I was pointing out for iecerint
Eh I guess reading back on it, it kinda looks like he stuck that in to make it seem like he was thinking critically/engaged with the game. Is that what you were going for?
In post 502, Nachomamma8 wrote:Why did you vote Syryana here, exactly? It seems like you're pretty happy with the wagon here so the switch is weird.
Because I wanted a new wagon and Syryana was a perfect candidate.
In post 541, Nachomamma8 wrote:Why did you unvote initially if it wasn't because they were lovers?
Because I wanted a new wagon and Syryana was a perfect candidate.
Your questions are easy.
Nacho what do you think of Starbuck?
Also I don't like that you say like three vaguely negative things about me but don't include me in your scumreads. It looks like you selectively chose your scum reads based on popular opinion and omitted me because I'm being largely townread.
So what is your actual read of me?
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Post #927 (isolation #49) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:48 am
Postby Spiffeh »
In post 896, Starbuck wrote:Are you sure you aren't scum, Spiffeh? This stinks of a set up.
This is Starbuck trying to discredit her wagon and give herself an out for when she votes me later all in one! YGG
There's no way this post is from town PLEASE CAN WE LYNCH THIS
Also, short version, Spiffeh is town, Nacho isn't, Starbuck still isn't.
Syryana please humor me and tell me why you think I'm scum now when you make a point to call me town here and never mention me again after (except to answer a question I asked you)?
if there is some latent hatred of me or something it wld be really nice now if you just said "OMFUCKINGGOD I HATE YOU MOLLIE" and be done with it already.
I am sick to death beyond repair with dealing with passive aggressive alts right about now. I am sorry for whatever it was I did to you. can you plz leave me alone now
I don't hate you at all I actually really enjoy playing with you. I hope it didn't come across that way
I am just frustrated at you continuing to call me scum for reasons I still don't understand.