Blitz 9: KATSUKI'S MADNESS PREQUEL-DICE OF FATE-GAME OVER

[Nachomamma8]

when starbuck was gonna go down she went down kicking and screaming. it was weird nonsensical kicking and screaming, but kicking and screaming all the same

when davesaz was gonna go down he said "i'm vt, you won't get information from my lynch"

the better vote is the latter

[Nachomamma8]

Come back to Starbuck I'm sticking with my first instinct.

I don't want to drop what I've been confident about all day because of some fleeting paranoia.

what's your read on dave?

[Nachomamma8]

that was not a very insightful nor productive response

[Nachomamma8]

and i am sorry for being snippy but i am tired and i want to go to bed but i want to make sure you aren't going to be stupid first

[Nachomamma8]

Come back to Starbuck I'm sticking with my first instinct.

I don't want to drop what I've been confident about all day because of some fleeting paranoia.

this is going to convince approximately zero people
if you don't think dave is town, there isn't really a reason to push against the wagon now
if you really want the starbuck wagon to go through because you've been pushing it for so long or something like that, find better reasoning and post it

[Nachomamma8]

I love cupcakes and duckcakes.

[Nachomamma8]

That steam roll onto dave was so icky. Goodness, me.

Star, if you're saying this because Syryana was on the wagon yesterday, then I will cry tears of blood. If you're saying this because you have other suspects based on how the dave wagon formed, would you mind running me through them?

syrlacious why the move off of star.

I love cakes and ducks

VOTE: Starbuck

I moved off Star because I thought Dave was a scumfuck too and it didn't look like Starbuck was gonna happen in the time I had left after Nacho pussied out.

Should've stuck to my guns.

Who else are you thinking about lynching today? I'm sort of concerned by how the game is going because no kills because there are more anti-town roles than I'd expect in a norma

[Nachomamma8]

That steam roll onto dave was so icky. Goodness, me.

Star, if you're saying this because Syryana was on the wagon yesterday, then I will cry tears of blood. If you're saying this because you have other suspects based on how the dave wagon formed, would you mind running me through them?

syrlacious why the move off of star.

I love cakes and ducks

VOTE: Starbuck

I moved off Star because I thought Dave was a scumfuck too and it didn't look like Starbuck was gonna happen in the time I had left after Nacho pussied out.

Should've stuck to my guns.

Who else are you thinking about lynching today? I'm sort of concerned by how the game is going because no kills because there are more anti-town roles than I'd expect in a normal game, and don't really think strongarming old suspicions is such a great idea unless we are actually putting effort into reanalyzing them.

If Star is scum I think Ythan is scum btw fyi

Don't really think Ythan puts that much effort into protecting a scumbuddy and pushing their counterwagon when he's in a decent position.

I dont understand ythan's logic at all yesterday about how he didnt trust syry and was so averse to the starbuck lynch

Don't either, and never have known him to be the type of player to have weird paranoia like that.

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE: Syryana

Mollie after the game unless you have a post restriction I want to have a long heart to heart.

A long heart to heart about what, exactly?

Like even her first post this day doesn't make sense.

How can the shift to davesaz be scummy

if she is town?

What does this mean?

Also I think Nacho is her scum buddy because hew as so gung ho about lynching her when the majority was there but he jumped to the davesaz wagon at the earliest opportunity.

If Starbuck was my scumbuddy, I would have lynched her first and I would have lynched davesaz second. Lynching davesaz slaughters any possible chance at towncred I would get from a bus, and I wouldn't be afraid of Starbuck dying if I brought her that close to death.

I also find this case stupidly, stupidly shallow; what do you think about the way I pushed davesaz? What do you think of Starbuck's posts near the end of the day?

Also I'm inclined to believe Syry's claim is town aligned with two pairs of lovers and DGB's role.

How does DGB's role play into this?

I may have to start rethinking on Spiffeh. Like I still think his POV can come from town, but he's still pushing it so hard with both mine and mollie's claim out there.

I don't understand how the claim should factor into anything at this point. There is a pair of unrequited lovers flipped. Lovers is not a town claim or primarily town claim. He's been pushing you since you claimed lovers for a long, long time: why do you expect him to back down and change views on your slot now?

How would it not be scum motivated? Scum want a town lynch. They couldn't get one on me and I wasn't going to give them one by hammering myself. So they needed to switch and push something else. I mean, come on, Spiffeh.

?????
Your lynch was viable yesterday. You very easily could have been lynched. The davesaz wagon didn't pop up because you couldn't be lynched; it popped up because he was scummy as hell.

Don't understand the SlumberBois LLD votes; is the "LLD would never claim miller as scum" reasoning dead in the water?

[Nachomamma8]

And yes, the major reason why my Starbuck townread started falling apart was because of emotionalism.

Her near death play if scum was AtE+++ and I don't really think it's the type of play most scum players can emulate when they are going down, and I certainly don't remember Starbuck as the type of player who has oodles of fight when she's going down, and a cursory reading of a month old scumgame shows my memory doesn't really fail me. I don't see Starbuck as scum going "good game if you're scum, lover" and "spiffeh, I think you're town, but when I flip town, I think that you're going to look absolutely terrible but I hope that doesn't happen" unless she's learned some shiny new tricks since her last scum game; rereading her shows her accusing people of pushing her because she's gone, AtE, AtE, AtE, and pushing all of this when she's going through long shifts and pet deaths just seems kind of ridiculous and not exactly a time for a breakout scumgame.

[Nachomamma8]

A long heart to heart about what, exactly?

What sequence of languages she's translating her posts through before posting them.

Remind me why you're voting Syryana?

[Nachomamma8]

Syryana is just regular old scum.

Why?
What do you think is in the game to balance an unrequited lover + an additional pair of lovers?

[Nachomamma8]

And what's your current read on Spiffeh?

[Nachomamma8]

And what's your current read on Spiffeh?

Don't have one.

Can't read his ISO and form one?

[Nachomamma8]

This really can't even be twisted into an argument that he's town, far as I can see. I'm not going to speculate on what particular kind of bullshit's in this game either if that's what you want.

There are two pairs of lovers in the game. If you think that Starbuck and mollie are town, that means that scum has a pretty big potential for 2 bonus kills in this game. A role that can protect a lover from dying would balance that out.

Not wanting to dive into setup speculation is understandable enough, but ignoring it completely is dumb.

[Nachomamma8]

Can.

Will you?

[Nachomamma8]

You play like bad scum tho buddy.

ythan your posts suck

[Nachomamma8]

yeah but matt's posts don't suck

[Nachomamma8]

i think ythan and lld r the scumteam is that kosher?

You're better than this, Sorry.

Vote: MattP

I don't think Ythan is town.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Spiffeh

I'm definitely losing faith in my DGB townread. I don't really like her read on me; I can't for the life of me remember the last time she had a softball scumread on me and then did absolutely nothing about it.

[Nachomamma8]

Yeah and I'm not convinced you're town either.

Read my posts. Convince yourself.
This game isn't going anywhere unless some people decide to step up, and you're one of those people.

[Nachomamma8]

Yeah and I'm not convinced you're town either.

Read my posts. Convince yourself.
This game isn't going anywhere unless some people decide to step up, and you're one of those people.

Kiss my ass, Nacho.

I've been stepping up and trying to read your useless ass for fucing days, and you've given me nothign.

You don't have the right to tell me this this game, not even close.

I don't really understand where this hostility is coming from, LLD.
Me asking you to step up was less of an implication of needing you to post because you haven't been doing anything and more asking you to step up because I wanted you as a driving force in the game again. I don't think that it's fair to say that I haven't given anyone anything to work with; hell yeah I've been trolly and I haven't been extraordinarily transparent with reads, but I'm making moves to change the latter part today and it's not like I haven't driven wagons, scumhunted, questioned.

[Nachomamma8]

The hostility is coming from the fact that I just spent 14 hours in airports and on planes and I FINALLY get to see my Owner, and instead of relaxing, I have to come here and read your fucking useless ass tell me how to play this game.

That's where my hostility is from.

OK.

[Nachomamma8]

you wanna know what i think, i think you were doing an excellent job of playing the playerlist and then you sorta forgot your follow through.

Except the votes of you and Matt aren't even close to enough to lynch me today.

Literally all I have to do as scum is walk in, call you a moron, troll some more and vote Syr.

Literallly all I would have to do. Lurk and troll.

no?

[Nachomamma8]

i hate this game

[Nachomamma8]

"this game" referring to the "how many scum are on this wagon?" game and not referring to this actual game
i feel much better about this actual game after today

[Nachomamma8]

ok i take back my previous statement i hate this game.

[Nachomamma8]

ok i take back my previous statement i hate this game.

Hmm?

I thought you wanted me to step up. Here I am, stepping up!

The way you approached me earlier seemed like a pretty strong indicator of your scumgame; I can see burning bridges with me because you don't think that I have a voice in the playerlist and can't push lynches because Matt/Kanye don't really respect my towngame like that, and you know that the key to winning the game is convincing one of those two.

I think your push on Matt is stupid; you're bringing it up because Matt was on wagons and haven't said shit or delved into motives or why to any extent whatsoever. I can't really see you pushing this as scum because it doesn't offer you any benefit whatsoever; I think you have better vision as scum than you do as town, and these posts can only be a result of short-sightedness.

[Nachomamma8]

oh come on Nacho, don't you want to vote me?

Here, let's even get me to L-1?

Seeing you getting emotionally aggravated doesn't really excite me that much, sorry.
Go see GI, step away.

[Nachomamma8]

When I first voted LLD today this was the third-to-last scenario I had in mind of how it would play out

Did the other two involve you suddenly becoming a bearable human being to be around?

before you give me a hard time for my play here please bear in mind how you've acted towards me in that last game, you ruined my life for a month. Like seriously, I only didn't replace out out of respect for the player list (it was half you half tierce but whatever). I still respect you and enjoy your presence, I hope that's mutual!

this is how games get that way, by the way

[Nachomamma8]

he's hurt. you're hurt.
you know this isn't the right way to approach this.

[Nachomamma8]

i wish all my friends could be town and we could all get along and have a nice time 2gether : ]

[Nachomamma8]

because i hate to see things like this happen.

i don't think matt was being fake to him with his aggression/immediate apologies afterwards; i think he's talking to you in his voice but feels bad doing so because it feels aggressive to him. i don't think that doing this is going to make you feel better, i don't think you hurting him is going to make you feel better/is something that you actually want.

[Nachomamma8]

Cause when it's obvious you have a fucking problem with me, and you fucking hide it behind "respect" and "you're better than this" it's just fake and shallow and mean.

And that's all I felt from you. Mean, cruel behaviour, grown from an issue with me.

And I won't deal with it.

matt apologizes after his aggression because he wants to explicitly tell how he feels but he also feels bad being that aggressive about things

which is something i think you understand because you've dealt with me before

[Nachomamma8]

I still don't believe him. I don't necessarily consider Dave and Iec as a lover pair because, if it works like a One Directional Lover, if Iec died first, Dave may not have died.

Given that mollie and I are true blue lovers, I don't believe he can save either one of us and, like I've said earlier, is gambiting along.

This is an extraordinarily convoluted line of logic, Starbuck.
One-Directional Lovers are still lovers. One person dies, the other person dies as well. Moderators have to balance their game for both pairs double suiciding as opposed to gambling that maybe one lover pair won't trigger because they're one directional.

2. Matt's sheeping of Spiffeh's words in 1555 and 1556, without Spiffeh's vote, isn't cool. Although, his uncertainty makes me feel better about him despite his belief of Syryana. Howver, I do find him a bit disingenous in 1614 when he says that "as soon as I pushed Dave everyone flipped over. It makes me feel like its recipe for a mislynch." Spiffeh was the one who started the path onto dave. Matt just sheeped. He didn't push anything.

It was arrogant, sure.
I don't think being arrogant is particularly a scum trait.

3. Your jump is pretty terribad based off of Dave saying "You try pushing people while being cute and fluffy at the same time" is horrid, given it was obvious that he had a posting restriction. He, even, asked me to look at the similarities between his posting and texcat's in #1334. I, frankly, think you used his post restriction as an excuse to lynch him, as per #1577.

I said that it was scummy because my interpretation of "you try pushing people while being cute and fluffy" was that he was blaming his lack of content on his post restriction, which isn't at all an acceptable excuse because even very, very harsh post restrictions don't completely cut off your ability to provide content. I thought his provided reads were absolute trash; don't really think that any of them were developed even a tiny, tiny bit and have seen davesaz play before as town and found his reads to be much deeper than what he provided here.

Do you think that was an unreasonable case on him? Why would you consider his posts town?

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE: lld

Why are you ignoring me when I ask you for a Spiffeh read? Why are you voting LLD without any comment whatsoever on what happened last night?

This vote feels like you're trying to fuel the fight between LLD/Matt because you know that it's the type of thing that would be great for scum.

[Nachomamma8]

Because it's, quite literally, the only thing that he's been pushing until it gets to the end of the day and lynching me looks to become dire. Look what he did with the dave lynch yesterday, he set it into motion and then hammered. He didn't even place a vote when he set it into motion.

But why does the claim factor into that? I agree that his case/tunnel on you has veered into ridiculous beyond ridiculous levels at this point, but your claim doesn't really factor at all into why it's ridiculous for me.

Where did I ever say that my lynch wasn't viable? I figured that I'd come back to mollie and I swinging.

I definitely feel like the davesaz wagon popped up because no one would hammer me. Let alone, myself, because why would I give scum a free fucking kill? WIFOM, I know, but seriously.

I don't think it's true that no one would hammer you yesterday.
I suppose I can't argue beyond that point but I think that if any one of the Matt/me/DGB group decided to keep voting you yesterday then the wagon would have still gone through.

As for your #1749, you act like I'm proud of my overemotional BS yesterday when I'm not at all. In this, you say your townread of me starting falling apart, did you mean scumread?

I don't think you're proud of you're emotionalism yesterday and I didn't really mean to imply as much; I did think that your emotionalism and continued fight was something you were unlikely to emulate as scum and that's what I was emphasizing.

I did mean to say scumread.

[Nachomamma8]

Star, here is Syryana's Spiffeh case:

Spiffeh and Ythan. Let's start with Spiffeh. I originally rather liked him for how he was strangling the shit out of Starbuck but on reread he's shallow as fuck. Not only that but a lot of the things he says seems to have no other motivation other than to cast suspicion: 388 and 893 for example. I played with ol' Spiff in Blitz 2 a couple weeks ago and his questions had depth and his analysis was pretty evident. None of that here.

My problem with Spiffeh is based on how shallow he is, which I think was pretty strongly apparent when he was scumhunting for your buddies. I don't like how he shifted from 1429 to 1527 because Iec called Starbuck town late in the day; I thought that he just saw something convenient that fit his narrative and decided to continue pushing it. I don't like him tying me to you because I moved to the davesaz wagon; several other people made the exact same move and singling me out for no real reason again looks like he's forming a narrative as opposed to actually looking for scum.

Mollie, that's what I'm seeing, yeah.
What do you think of Ythan?

[Nachomamma8]

and you don't think ythan's hop was sketchier?

[Nachomamma8]

and you don't think ythan's hop was sketchier?

and have you glanced at starbuck's meta at all?

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Yes.

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dgb is the weakest of my townreads right now
the important part of my read on star is that i don't think she could fake it as scum; i think her scumgame is more limited than her towngame

[Nachomamma8]

i'm actually just hoping that we can shake out the last scum by pushing through spiffeh/ythan.

i'm sad that it feels like i sort of lost kanye/matthew today but i suppose i'll live with it

[Nachomamma8]

I am right there with you re: dgb. you might understand this but I can't feel her inside my head and that really bothers me. that is why I want spiffy more than ythan. he is playing a vacuous game I wld bet money he is scum and like I have been saying this since d1. scum aren't bussing that I think is why we haven't had a scumflip yet.

That's exactly why I'm worried about DGB; I caught flashes of it Day 1 but I haven't really seen anything at all from her that I could really understand or empathize with.

scum aren't bussing that I think is why we haven't had a scumflip yet.

Do you still feel strongly about a Starbuck/Spiffeh team?

why do you feel like you lost them? I think matty will come back around. I think I know exactly what bugs him about star cos it has bugged me too. but I am unsure of her as well so

I've just felt sort of out of touch with them lately when I was hoping to feel more in sync with them, especially this day.
And it's been happening with pretty much everyone except for you/Syr and I'm not really sure what exactly I'm doing wrong.

[Nachomamma8]

I've been crazy busy lately, will probably be pretty low-presence until Christmas Eve at the earliest, but likely won't be doing anything until Christmas/the day after.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Syryana

[Nachomamma8]

Prod dodge!

[Nachomamma8]

that was a weird game 0_0

[Nachomamma8]

congrats

[Nachomamma8]

Katsuki even though you're a terrible moderator I was drinking rumchata and I think fondly of you