Team Mafia 2018: Game 3 - Random GIFs Game Over

[Dunkerdoodles]

do you really think i could be this good at scum?

you could have boon, una, chill all coaching you in discord for all i know.

ACTUALLY

can you tell me what boon has said about this game please.

i've said our pt has been dead for a while

[Dunkerdoodles]

Dunker,

He hasnt said ANYTHING?

nothing

[Dunkerdoodles]

Okay, double checked, and Dino

was

a counter to the Fitz wagon. Does anyone think there were any other scum besides Fitz on or pushing the wagon? Or do you think it was all town?

wagon was basically me fitz and radja

radja could be but imo scum would've stayed away from math

[Dunkerdoodles]

lets just massclaim now that dv's is out there

[Dunkerdoodles]

oh we were massclaiming anyways
im vt

[Dunkerdoodles]

Votecount 1.Final

T-Bone (2)

Titus , chesskid3 ,

Titus (3)

T-Bone , Aeronaut , Bins ,

havingfitz (8)

Keychain , ChannelDelibird , Mathdino , Almost50 , UC Voyager , Elena Fisher , Bulbazak , Radja , L-0

Mathdino (2)

Dunkerdoodles , havingfitz ,

Day one deadline is Sunday February 4, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-02-04 21:00:00)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

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from d1 wagon

only people still alive that weren't on fitz are me bins and chesskid slot
highly likely a scum in there
im not scum so it's either bins or dv

@bins do u believe dv's claim

[Dunkerdoodles]

Okay since Reck is dead in his game, he's going to help me sort this game out. He hadn't been paying attention to this game much, so here are his thoughts. I figured this might help move this game forward even though I'm not really in the mood to read anything yet. So just posting Recks thoughts, I'll add my own later(probably tomorrow). There's some stuff I already mentioned but these are just Reck's thoughts.

Here goes:

Recks reads:

Town

:
- A50 (Reck thinks A50 is frustrated by me scumreading him and he's seen some signs that A50 is actively trying to sort that out
- LLD-slot: her reaching out to Reck seemed town as heck
- Titus(Skirt/Transcend): Skirt/Transcend were townreads for Reck and Titus hasn't really done anything
- UCV: gut town from early in the game when he got pushed by certain people

Null:(could be scum if they don't make content any time soon)
- CDB: post more!
- T-Bone: Reck thinks it's fishy you tried to stall votes 2 days ago to wait for something "really important"
- Aeronaut: post more!
- chesskid3: Smocaine wasn't really doing anything and chesskid hasn't contributed much yet

Scum

:
- Mathdino: kmd thoughts seem fake, empty questioning, terrible posting and reacting to Bins/LLD/Radja/Elena scumteam,
- Keychain: prodding and questioning seems pretty fake, posts like 692 are just pointless noisemaking that look inquisitive but aren't, interactions feel generally disingenuous

Reck hasn't read up on Dunker, Bulba, Elena and UCV and will reread them when he finds more time.

Here's some specific stuff on Mathdino:

1. You think there's a potential LLD/me scum connection. Do you seriously think that, as scum, LLD would reach out to me to ask Reck for a read on her? That doesn't seem like scumbuddies interacting, or do you think differently?
2. the kmd thoughts don't feel like kmd thoughts. Phrasing seems off as kmd tends to be more reserved about saying things as strongly as Dino is presenting them. He also has a hard time believing you were talking to kmd in real time on discord because of kmd's work schedule. Feels like you faked some of those team reads.
3. The attack on UCV is exactly what UCV gets mislynched for as town frequently.
4. The flip on my alignment looks incredibly opportunistic. Reck also thinks A50 is town turned into mislynch fodder and Dino's white knighting him to appear town by defending what he considers to be an inevitable mislynch.
5. The flip on my alignment is also a complete 180 from early Dino declaring there's no way I would have taken a scum pm because of the composition of my team(Reck/Shea/hiplop/Cheet)

Serious question: why aren't we having an A50 wagon anymore? That seemed like a solid wagon to me.

okay guys. great news! i am in health and we have a sub. aka: i have a lot of time to do nothing but mafiascum in class!

now
radja, why does any other wagon die out in your opinion?

Because the teams are causing players to doubt their town/scumreads. This is my first time on Team Mafia so not sure that's an annual problem. I know it's affecting my reads, at least.
Additionally, we've been getting most activity from the same small amount of players who are having very different opinions so there's no unity in what's supposed to be 'the town'.

I really wanna go back to being V/LA and giving up.

I'd also like to have competent players in my game at all.

Oh, Reck might be able to read me? It's been a while, so maybe not but, hey, he's better than most of these fuckos.

I'll ask him but I think he's behind quite a lot right now.

I want to know why radja is town

I'm really happy someone questions this too.

Does anything think A50 could be scum or is he just a policy lynch (important)

I do!

MORE NOTES

Page 41: Not lynching LLD on day 1. I think LLD will get sorted by either PR results or POE later on. If LLD is actually town, she can definitely be an asset.
The only problem is I don't share any of her scumreads. So that's an issue we'll have to get through.
pages after that: wtf is going on.


Okay so the last 10 pages or so gave me pretty much nothing.
I'm all caught up and my reads list hasn't changed in comparison to the one I posted earlier.

#yolo

vote havingfitz

all those town reads on lld then this hammer
i can see where ur coming from bins

morning y'all. This kill is... very weird.

not related but i've seen this a lot from scum in the past


i definitely dont oppose radja lynch
but

bins i don't see how the claim makes you totally abandon dv lynch
1. claim could be easily made up
2. could be maf backup tracker

[Dunkerdoodles]

alright
boon has blessed me with a VCA and game notes

he thinks radja is lockscum, archwing probably his buddy which i could see
feels very confident this is the scumteam.
says if it's not arch its keychain.

he soulreads bins town cause she feels genuine, and he also feels him and bins have similar reads when they're both town
i agree with this, bins has felt genuine t0 me, the scumread from me comes from my vca and some other stuff

DV - boon believes the claim, but i don't. feels he is radja's mislynch slot.

a radja flip is the best for us here i think

[Dunkerdoodles]

im just going to believe boon cause he's probably right
VOTE: radja

[Dunkerdoodles]

true true

[Dunkerdoodles]

boon is having second thoughts and now think the team might be bulba/arch.

personally, i still think keychain is town, i guess dv is town cause pr claim
still think radja is the correct lynch

i still think bins is scum but i guess im wrong at this point

[Dunkerdoodles]

Hey, if you want to get me lynched, you're going to have to work for it. Try pulling this wagon some more so you'll definitely get lynched tomorrow.

ok this is lockscum
hammer pls

[Dunkerdoodles]

well

[Dunkerdoodles]

if bins ends up being scum im gunna be mad at myself

[Dunkerdoodles]

i want to hear dv's result
and what bins has to say first

boon said he think it's bulba & arch yesterday

[Dunkerdoodles]

bins wtfffffff

[Dunkerdoodles]

i believe both claims

arch+bulba it is

[Dunkerdoodles]

i'm checking with my team first though

[Dunkerdoodles]

Bins.

Any world where Deas isn't scum to you?

Well, yeah.

Right now, the possible teams are:

{Archwing or DV}, {Bulba or Dunker}

No idea.

i know i haven't played up to my locktown status but im not scum
can i ask why bulba + arch isn't one of the teams

it's the one that makes the most sense rn to me

[Dunkerdoodles]

Dunkerdoodles, From Chillplay Bombahskiies
Archwing (replaces UC Voyager), From Spam Squad
Keychain, From Team Cuddly
Bulbazak, From Queue Agents
Bins, From Make Papa Proud
Radja, From Dandy Irate Hoes
TBD (replaces chesskid3 replaces Smocaine), From Who is John Galt?

least scummy to most scummy i guess

i assume chess slot is deasvail so i'd like to start there

i dont think we massclaim yet

i think we lynch in dv/bins

This is what you've contributed today. I don't really see what information you gave.
Can you explain why we should not mass claim?
Can you convince me to lynch dv or bins? Sell me on the bins lynch, cause that one I don't see.

you are a policy lynch.

i know I can't speak from a high ground here, being kinda not around the last day or 2, but neither have you, and you've been here since the start. you saw all this unfold. I'd think you'd really really really have some more input than what you've given this day.

Like i said, if you're town, give us something, please.

yeah that's a bad reason cause
1. we already discussed how this is a bad reason
2. i love playing scum

earlier on when you guys were talking about meta he for some reason didn't talk about his and tried to avoid it i feel

pedit: well tbh i honestly wanted scum but we drew 5 town pms so

eddie locktown

def scum in (mathdino, a50)

boon had eddie as scum but now he has him as town.
also has tbone at scum

screen has math and key as town, elena eddie and a50 as scumlean

bins is town
elena might be scum but no
i have changed my mind and decided to scumread math again

VOTE: mathdino

super quick iso dive (didn't pull out everything I saw) showed a lot of defense of dunker on Bins. All of dunker's d1 reads (including teammates) are all flipped townies. Not much of a discussion point as a reference for me to pick up again when I have more time.

arch is the only one to mention the possibility of me being scum this whole game
he is also the only one in these 5 i've played a lot with, so he knows im mislynchable

arch also went on a complete 180 from believing the claim yesterday to now not believing it

[Dunkerdoodles]

@dunker
4028

first, i never actually called you scum in any of those posts. I was just calling out to town!Dunker, if he was there. Why? I wanted to see who would jump on with me. I was pseudo-building a case to see who else would bite and follow suit. I really don't wanna believe you're scum. Post-game you can see that I had proposed a townbloc to creature with you, me, and Bins. He was pretty solid on it, too.

and I think it's pretty obvious to believe the claim not-in-lylo, no CC's, etc. Had Bins claimed yesterday, I probably would've questioned DV a lot more. Now, today, DV is claiming a tracker-guilty on me, even though I'm a VT. FMPOV, my line of reasoning re:Backup Tracker claim is pretty reasonable I think.

and yeah, i've played with you a bit. I know you are lynchable, Dunker, but damn.... You are not the one in your group to take a scum role.

if you don't want to believe i'm scum why are trying to convince yourself and others?
your mindset is not making sense to me

[Dunkerdoodles]

Archwing's explanation has the whiff of bull crap to it. Man, the question of balance is bugging me, but I just can't see how it isn't Arch. All the evidence is literally pointing in that direction. It literally explains his play from d3 on, as well as UCV's play and Fitz vote.

then vote him

[Dunkerdoodles]

DV is 100% confscum.
i'm 90% on Bulba, 10% on dunker. I'll go through those interactions at night, if we are lucky enough to get there.

Bulba.

Pretend I am scum. Who is my partner?
Dunker, Bins, Bulba..

Why would Deas track me out of the remaining players,

AND WHY WOULD I MAKE THE KILL?

. Honestly, that is a really big scumslip. I really don't give two shits about tracking the same target twice, that's whatever. What I am getting at, is that if I was scum, why would

I

make the night kill? I was the most suspect target yesterday aside from Radja. It really doesn't make sense.

let me get this straight

you are trying to convince one of your scumreads to vote your other scumread

you are telling someone you have as 90% scum to vote someone you have as 100% scum

yeah no

[Dunkerdoodles]

my dialogue is for everyone to read dunker. my intention is for everybody to read what I am saying and to hear my thoughts.

ffs i wish i just got NKd so i didn't have to deal with this bullshit.

dunker, do you not see how scum!me never makes that kill? and thus, making Deas' claim absolute bullshit?

why would scum!me wait until now to fuck around with Deas' claim?

I believed his claim because there was nothing else to CC it, and only 2 town PR's is kinda weak af. again, had Bins claimed yesterday, I may have played that differently. but deas essentially conf!towned themselves by being the only town PR claim yesterday.

no, i can definitely see you making the kill over bulba
for one you might think deas might track someone more townread like bulba
or you could think he won't track the same person twice.

and i do believe both claims because they both make the balanced
2 prs + backup vs goons makes sense (fv doesn't count for balance here)

[Dunkerdoodles]

if you knew i was town, why were you scum casing me?
isn't that against your wincon if you are town to be pushing someone you think is town?

i don't buy the whole "it was a reaction test thing" your pushes don't read to me like reaction tests. they read like you were seeing if my wagon was viable for real, to try and mislynch me or atleast set it up for later.

[Dunkerdoodles]

Hello I am not hammering

[Dunkerdoodles]

i would hammer here, but i want to make sure

[Dunkerdoodles]

assuming both the pr claims are true we are guaranteed the win if we lynch just scum out of (me, bulba, arch)

an argument for arch!scum is mulch could just of been coaching him and ucv all game which i could easily see him doing.

[Dunkerdoodles]

i don't plan on voting anytime soon

normally i'd hammer arch and say yolo but this game is kinda important so

[Dunkerdoodles]

me and boon are on different pages rn

[Dunkerdoodles]

bins

do you think bulba and arch bus in this scenario?

them bussing is a terrible idea here but i don't know if they would know that

boon thinks bulba is 100% lockscum , but he also said about radja yesterday so

[Dunkerdoodles]

sorry, i'm back

I would lynch Bulba first but it really doesn’t solve the you v DV situation in the long run

this is what im thinking, and i would be the one to decide tmr

[Dunkerdoodles]

@dunker, bins

lets say roles were flipped, and you got fake-guiltied tracking to Keychain last night.
how would you react instantly?
how would you compose yourself this deep into the day phase?

what is the point of this

[Dunkerdoodles]

Dunker I'm OK with hammering if you have anything else to say

una in our pt said he would read the game and give his thoughts, but really it doesn't matter

bulba is lockscum, we can hammer there and i can deal with dv vs arch tmr

or we can just lynch between dv and arch today knowing that bulba is lockscum for tmr

i'm good with either honestly

[Dunkerdoodles]

arch

if you are town you should probably care more about defending yourself against dv than pushing bulba

[Dunkerdoodles]

:^) perfectly fine with a Bulba lynch cause you wanna bus your partner huh

Bins i voted him way earlier too.

I'm not bussing anyone.

I promise you, bulba and dunker are the scum team.

hmm scumslip?

[Dunkerdoodles]

arch has so many logic flaws and bad tone posts but at the same time both me and boon feel he's being genuine

[Dunkerdoodles]

scenerio:
me and bulba are in a 1v1
arch vs dv is a 1v1

either dv claimed backup tracker as scum
or arch and bulba are bussing brilliantly

[Dunkerdoodles]

thats where you're wrong

[Dunkerdoodles]

yes
i know, he is confirmed scum

[Dunkerdoodles]

i hardclaim cop with guilty on bulba

[Dunkerdoodles]

wait

so you're saying your team just discovered where he crumbed?

as in he didn't tell you when he crumbed