Team Mafia 2018: Game 3 - Random GIFs Game Over

[Archwing]

UNVOTE:

[Dunkerdoodles]

lets just massclaim now that dv's is out there

[Dunkerdoodles]

oh we were massclaiming anyways
im vt

[Dunkerdoodles]

Votecount 1.Final

T-Bone (2)

Titus , chesskid3 ,

Titus (3)

T-Bone , Aeronaut , Bins ,

havingfitz (8)

Keychain , ChannelDelibird , Mathdino , Almost50 , UC Voyager , Elena Fisher , Bulbazak , Radja , L-0

Mathdino (2)

Dunkerdoodles , havingfitz ,

Day one deadline is Sunday February 4, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-02-04 21:00:00)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

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from d1 wagon

only people still alive that weren't on fitz are me bins and chesskid slot
highly likely a scum in there
im not scum so it's either bins or dv

@bins do u believe dv's claim

[Bins]

Radja hammered. You shouldn't count him in that.

Honestly, if we're looking at people still alive. Bulba also could have had a bus vote.

And yes, I believe DV's claim.

[Bins]

FMPOV, I think scum has to be on the wagon. And I'm not particularly impressed by any of the living player's votes, minus Keychain. I townread Dunker, I believe the DV claim, and the UCV/Bulba/Radja votes don't thrill me.

I think I'm at {Bulbazak, Radja} right now, unfortunately. I'm not really sold on Bulbazak, which is why Radja needs to go first.

Dunker - if you have ANY reason to oppose a Radja wagon, then fine. But if not, you really shouldn't be looking at votes as if scum were off the LLD wagon. I've been arguing the whole time that Radja's hammer looked funny and he got all defensive about it.

[Bins]

Dunkerdoodles, From Chillplay Bombahskiies
Archwing (replaces UC Voyager), From Spam Squad
Keychain, From Team Cuddly
Bulbazak, From Queue Agents
Bins, From Make Papa Proud
Radja, From Dandy Irate Hoes
TBD (replaces chesskid3 replaces Smocaine), From Who is John Galt?

least scummy to most scummy i guess

i assume chess slot is deasvail so i'd like to start there

^

I'd like you to go back to this, please.

[Dunkerdoodles]

Okay since Reck is dead in his game, he's going to help me sort this game out. He hadn't been paying attention to this game much, so here are his thoughts. I figured this might help move this game forward even though I'm not really in the mood to read anything yet. So just posting Recks thoughts, I'll add my own later(probably tomorrow). There's some stuff I already mentioned but these are just Reck's thoughts.

Here goes:

Recks reads:

Town

:
- A50 (Reck thinks A50 is frustrated by me scumreading him and he's seen some signs that A50 is actively trying to sort that out
- LLD-slot: her reaching out to Reck seemed town as heck
- Titus(Skirt/Transcend): Skirt/Transcend were townreads for Reck and Titus hasn't really done anything
- UCV: gut town from early in the game when he got pushed by certain people

Null:(could be scum if they don't make content any time soon)
- CDB: post more!
- T-Bone: Reck thinks it's fishy you tried to stall votes 2 days ago to wait for something "really important"
- Aeronaut: post more!
- chesskid3: Smocaine wasn't really doing anything and chesskid hasn't contributed much yet

Scum

:
- Mathdino: kmd thoughts seem fake, empty questioning, terrible posting and reacting to Bins/LLD/Radja/Elena scumteam,
- Keychain: prodding and questioning seems pretty fake, posts like 692 are just pointless noisemaking that look inquisitive but aren't, interactions feel generally disingenuous

Reck hasn't read up on Dunker, Bulba, Elena and UCV and will reread them when he finds more time.

Here's some specific stuff on Mathdino:

1. You think there's a potential LLD/me scum connection. Do you seriously think that, as scum, LLD would reach out to me to ask Reck for a read on her? That doesn't seem like scumbuddies interacting, or do you think differently?
2. the kmd thoughts don't feel like kmd thoughts. Phrasing seems off as kmd tends to be more reserved about saying things as strongly as Dino is presenting them. He also has a hard time believing you were talking to kmd in real time on discord because of kmd's work schedule. Feels like you faked some of those team reads.
3. The attack on UCV is exactly what UCV gets mislynched for as town frequently.
4. The flip on my alignment looks incredibly opportunistic. Reck also thinks A50 is town turned into mislynch fodder and Dino's white knighting him to appear town by defending what he considers to be an inevitable mislynch.
5. The flip on my alignment is also a complete 180 from early Dino declaring there's no way I would have taken a scum pm because of the composition of my team(Reck/Shea/hiplop/Cheet)

Serious question: why aren't we having an A50 wagon anymore? That seemed like a solid wagon to me.

okay guys. great news! i am in health and we have a sub. aka: i have a lot of time to do nothing but mafiascum in class!

now
radja, why does any other wagon die out in your opinion?

Because the teams are causing players to doubt their town/scumreads. This is my first time on Team Mafia so not sure that's an annual problem. I know it's affecting my reads, at least.
Additionally, we've been getting most activity from the same small amount of players who are having very different opinions so there's no unity in what's supposed to be 'the town'.

I really wanna go back to being V/LA and giving up.

I'd also like to have competent players in my game at all.

Oh, Reck might be able to read me? It's been a while, so maybe not but, hey, he's better than most of these fuckos.

I'll ask him but I think he's behind quite a lot right now.

I want to know why radja is town

I'm really happy someone questions this too.

Does anything think A50 could be scum or is he just a policy lynch (important)

I do!

MORE NOTES

Page 41: Not lynching LLD on day 1. I think LLD will get sorted by either PR results or POE later on. If LLD is actually town, she can definitely be an asset.
The only problem is I don't share any of her scumreads. So that's an issue we'll have to get through.
pages after that: wtf is going on.


Okay so the last 10 pages or so gave me pretty much nothing.
I'm all caught up and my reads list hasn't changed in comparison to the one I posted earlier.

#yolo

vote havingfitz

all those town reads on lld then this hammer
i can see where ur coming from bins

morning y'all. This kill is... very weird.

not related but i've seen this a lot from scum in the past


i definitely dont oppose radja lynch
but

bins i don't see how the claim makes you totally abandon dv lynch
1. claim could be easily made up
2. could be maf backup tracker

[Bulbazak]

I'm talking it over with mastina (which is essentially like a game of phone tag where you hope the other person responds to you), but I'm not feeling great about that claim.

[Bulbazak]

Also, something something greylisted roles something something.

[Radja]

Bins opposing a DV lynch even though she is scumreading him.

DV with a questionable claim.

I'm good with my DV-Bins scumteam.

I'm VT. I want this massclaim to happen now so I can feel better about DV's fakeclaim.

[Archwing]

I'm a VT.

[DeasVail]

Does your role literally say "Backup Tracker"? This is important.

I don't think an answer to this would be allowed?

[Bins]

why would it not be allowed?


and Radja don’t say i’ve been opposed to the DV lynch, i haven’t. i wanted your lynch more and the claim doesn’t change that
I don’t see why DV lies

[Bins]

or more importantly i don’t see why scum DV claims that

and bulba backup was used in TM already in ethers normal
now it’s not greylisted? i don’t think
my only iffy part was there being already a backup role

[Bins]

also balance

we’re missing PRs
can’t tell me that DV is lying and we have no more town PRs
i would have thought at least two

implosion thought two for sure because of Ethers game balance
doc + backup doc + neopolitan (implo says this is stronger than tracker)
vs just a tracker and a fruit vendor?

[Bins]

Arch is my number one choice. I was asked a leading "out of three" question that is somehow being taken as my actual top reads.

o i see




i wanna knnow where ur going with this "backup" stuff hm

[Bulbazak]

Does your role literally say "Backup Tracker"? This is important.

I don't think an answer to this would be allowed?

You don't think you'd be allowed to give an answer relating to your actual role?

and bulba backup was used in TM already in ethers normal
now it’s not greylisted? i don’t think
my only iffy part was there being already a backup role

First, the setups are created by the actual mods and not by committee. So just because Ether designed her game a certain way does not mean Smith did. In fact, mastina has already dumped a lot of mod meta in the chat that I still need to get through (and likely won't). I'm just down to asking specific questions now. Greylisted roles were brought up after Math's death, because Fruit Vendor is a greylisted role. Mastina said at the time to keep an eye out, because only one more max would be in the game. I wasn't sure on the status of something like Backup Tracker at the time, so I looked it up, and Backup is normal as a modifier. I asked mastina if something like Backup Tracker would be likely in this game, and she said that Smith would be unlikely to include it. If he included a backup role, it'd probably be Universal Backup. There's another reason why I don't like DV's claim, but that's based on some of the things mastina has said regarding Smith's design philosophy. I want to finish massclaim first and have DV actually stop dodging the question before I reveal what it is, though. I might be able to catch the other scumbag.

Speaking of claiming, Bins, you haven't claimed yet. I thought you would, given that you even offered to go first. I'll claim after you.

[Bins]

I know but they were all reviewed for balance likely by the same group of people (?)
I'm VT - Keychain and you are left?

And Universal Backup would not be a good setup with Fruit Vendor, it'd make the role to swingy
And I don't really like mod meta. as a mod I tend to always want to incorporate roles I have never used before... so I dont see why people always look as mods as not liking or not using certain roles

[Bulbazak]

Given what I've been told of the mod, that's exactly what he'd be looking for. But I'll go more into this later.

VT as well.

[Dunkerdoodles]

alright
boon has blessed me with a VCA and game notes

he thinks radja is lockscum, archwing probably his buddy which i could see
feels very confident this is the scumteam.
says if it's not arch its keychain.

he soulreads bins town cause she feels genuine, and he also feels him and bins have similar reads when they're both town
i agree with this, bins has felt genuine t0 me, the scumread from me comes from my vca and some other stuff

DV - boon believes the claim, but i don't. feels he is radja's mislynch slot.

a radja flip is the best for us here i think

[Dunkerdoodles]

im just going to believe boon cause he's probably right
VOTE: radja

[Archwing]

Hold up, let Keychain claim before we do anything else.

[Dunkerdoodles]

true true

[Radja]

omg if you guys are lynching me and Archwing to lose the game I'm going to be pissed off.

Bins, if I flip town, I want your word that you're lynching DV tomorrow.