Does the hated cease to have an effect in mylo? Could you divulge flavour without probably giving away any more information than you already have?
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Actually don't even answer the flavour question. You wouldn't claim hated without actually being hated, and whether or not miller is real or a scum gambit any flavour that could be hated could also be miller. Flavour is irrelevantIn post 11, jjh927 wrote:Does the hated cease to have an effect in mylo? Could you divulge flavour without probably giving away any more information than you already have?
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What you say suggests that your insides must be super clean but your vote suggests you're full of shit.In post 12, Zachstralkita wrote:I have consumed no less than 14 Tide pods so that we may vanquish evil. I can smell your fear.
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Okay, so I was trying to come up with some kind of witty quip that played off of Zachstral saying that he ate a whole bunch of tide pods, and then I thought I could play around with how because tide pods are to make things clean that it would make his insides all clean, right? But I had to then bounce something off of that to make the witty quip actually witty and say that his vote on me was wrong. The phrase "full of shit" fulfills this objective by saying two things in the context; 1. that his insides are not clean, as they are, in fact, full of shit, and 2. that he is wrong for voting me. Regretfully, I was unable to come up with something that sounded less aggressive while still delivering a humorous retort to Zachstral's vote, and the directive of delivering a humorous retort was my priority in this case."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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It's not a read from you, and it's an RVS read. Pointing fingers doesn't carry the same weight in RVS. I am definitely tryharding, at any rateSleepyKrew wrote:
telling you a read is more content than you voting hebi for the sake of voting, isn't it?In post 31, jjh927 wrote:That's cool but maybe you should tell me why and then we can do a contenty thing rather than whatever that was
he says you feel like tryhard scum but might be tryhard town
Yeah except the paragraph you quoted was semi-shitposty explanation of something that was directed at Espeonage. I'm primarily getting content for me and you're right- I know my alignment already, which is why interactions with me are the best interactions for me to place people by.hebichan wrote:I agree content is good, but I'm saying your content is bad.
The two aren't exclusive ideas here. Talking about yourself doesn't generate good content to read, you know your alignment already
You sitting there asking if you can scumread me (which it's amusing that I now find myself pointing out for certain reasons) is bad content by any standard. Why didn't you vote me there? Why are you still not voting me? Are you interested in creating the discussions or just being a part of them later on?"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Sleepy, what makes me tryharding scummy rather than me tryharding because I'm hyped for team mafia and I'm not overcommitted to games rn?
Boon, the thing to remember here is that he's part of a team and something like a miller claim could have been planned as such outside of player meta. I don't doubt for a moment that he's hated, and hated scum could very easily claim miller too. Call the claim null and evaluate on play."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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In that case how am I being dumb and scummy?In post 53, SleepyKrew wrote:
you tryharding isn't what makes me think you're scummyIn post 50, jjh927 wrote:Sleepy, what makes me tryharding scummy rather than me tryharding because I'm hyped for team mafia and I'm not overcommitted to games rn?"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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This isn't a post. I have agreed I am tryharding and there is no doubt there, and you just said it makes me null.In post 56, Boonskiies wrote:I agree with Sleepy that Jjh is tryharding. I don’t necessarily think it makes him scummy, but he’s definitely not townie from it."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I guess you don't see how I operateIn post 60, SleepyKrew wrote:
despite tryharding, you're creating a lot of useless noise and doing very little to actually move the game forwardIn post 57, jjh927 wrote:
In that case how am I being dumb and scummy?In post 53, SleepyKrew wrote:
you tryharding isn't what makes me think you're scummyIn post 50, jjh927 wrote:Sleepy, what makes me tryharding scummy rather than me tryharding because I'm hyped for team mafia and I'm not overcommitted to games rn?
this could be because you're scum trying to seem like a motivated townie, or because you're a motivated townie that doesn't actually know what to do
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Is the useless noise the bit where people accuse me of being scum or where I place them for how they do it?
Boon, those kinds of posts would be better if they contained more things I could use to further place you. I do like getting an idea of your thought process but it's the things like your deliberation of the miller claim that I like. It's not useful if you make an obvious observation then draw no conclusions from it."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Who, what, and whyIn post 67, SleepyKrew wrote:damn I thought you'd say something like that but I was hoping you wouldn't"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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There's no specific part. I just think you were actually deliberating whether or not it was a valid claim, as in, the deliberation process was true. If you were scum you would already know and would be faking deliberation. Not to say it's out of your scum range because I don't know what your range is, but for now you got a townread.In post 70, Boonskiies wrote:It’s what popped into my head, so i said it.
What part of the deliberation exactly? Espeonage said he didn’t like i, don’t do it.
So you basicallytown lean everyone’s that posted minus hebi...?
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In post 79, davesaz wrote:@jjh, how do you get a townlean on Zach?
He's put down a couple of votes and has been interacting with people in a way I find satisfactory. Does your hated modifer go away at mylo?"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Nobody want to come back to this post?In post 28, hebichan wrote:In post 27, jjh927 wrote:Okay, so I was trying to come up with some kind of witty quip that played off of Zachstral saying that he ate a whole bunch of tide pods, and then I thought I could play around with how because tide pods are to make things clean that it would make his insides all clean, right? But I had to then bounce something off of that to make the witty quip actually witty and say that his vote on me was wrong. The phrase "full of shit" fulfills this objective by saying two things in the context; 1. that his insides are not clean, as they are, in fact, full of shit, and 2. that he is wrong for voting me. Regretfully, I was unable to come up with something that sounded less aggressive while still delivering a humorous retort to Zachstral's vote, and the directive of delivering a humorous retort was my priority in this case.
Are you always this defensive after getting a single vote on you?
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If you disagree with my reads then please have some reads to disagree with?In post 92, Boonskiies wrote:
I have a fun role, don’t lynch me ever. I miss the Zach that had memorial services of me every day phase when we were scum together and I got killed night 1.In post 88, Zachstralkita wrote:VOTE: jjh
My previous post was joking tho
But personally the Boonskiies wagon is good, not til Day 2 tho
VOTE: Jjh
Zach should not have been a town lean.
I don't see how you can leap from disagreeing with me TLing Zach to thinking I am scum."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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You think my scumread on Hebi is forced after this post?In post 28, hebichan wrote:In post 27, jjh927 wrote:Okay, so I was trying to come up with some kind of witty quip that played off of Zachstral saying that he ate a whole bunch of tide pods, and then I thought I could play around with how because tide pods are to make things clean that it would make his insides all clean, right? But I had to then bounce something off of that to make the witty quip actually witty and say that his vote on me was wrong. The phrase "full of shit" fulfills this objective by saying two things in the context; 1. that his insides are not clean, as they are, in fact, full of shit, and 2. that he is wrong for voting me. Regretfully, I was unable to come up with something that sounded less aggressive while still delivering a humorous retort to Zachstral's vote, and the directive of delivering a humorous retort was my priority in this case.
Are you always this defensive after getting a single vote on you?
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Hebichan was pretty much asking whether or not they are allowed to consider my behaviour scummy without committing to a vote. In RVS.
The non-committal is what's scummy about it. Checking to see whether they have a pass for committing to the vote.
And I wasn't getting crazy defensive, either. There was a bit of back-and-forth in which I was trying to place Espeonage, and I'm fairly confident they were trying to place me. It was never about defence, but more about the nature of their attack, and Hebi completely missed that to try and jump on a potential mislynch."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Well, for a start we actually got 5 town role PMs.
But yeah, that aside, if you're asking me to self-meta, I massively prefer town. I'm much better at finding the scum than pretending to find the scum.
Also I wanted this game because A. My real skill is in reading role PMs and parsing claims, and B. The flavour in my role PM is a story I loved in my childhood."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Perspective is a great thing, isn't it?In post 119, Boonskiies wrote:Im probably going to be a bigger tryhard than Jjh this game. I’m trying to play in a way where everyone in this game cant just skip over me. I want people to comment to me and I’ll converse back. I’m better in direct 1v1’s, so fight me if you need to.
You don't engage in 1V1s by calling out to everyone though. You have to ask specific people questions or say things that will get them to say things back and keep the ball rolling no matter what.
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In post 237, Fenchurch wrote:Boon- for my part, I don’t buy the claim that your team would not have let you have a scum PM. You also said that most of your team are fairly new players. I find it unlikely, if you prefer playing scumandare the most experienced player, that they would insist on taking scum themselves rather than to let you have it - surely they’d at least let you make the call.
Slight scumread on Boon because I think that he may be lying about this.
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jjh- I’m not the first to ask, please can you explain where your reads in #66 came from. What about Zach made him town? You said “his votes and his interactions”… I’ve read back through the 4 posts Zach had made at that point and I just don’t see it.
What made Espeon and Boon stronger townreads at that point than Zach and Sleepy? What was scummy about hebi’s post? Are those still your reads?
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It helps you get out of RVS if you dump down a readlist and people start critiquing it, because it shifts focus to reads and we get actual discussion. Don't take them as firm because they're from very early in the game, and of course some things have changed. The primary purpose of that readslist was because I knew people would target it and I would be able to see how they did that, but they were an accurate representation of what I was thinking at the time.
Zach was justifying reasons for the RVS vote in a way that actually mounts pressure, which is good RVS behaviour and how you actually progress the game from there, hence he got a townlean. It wasn't a hard townread even for that stage of the game, but basically I liked the way he was doing the things people are expected to do. Just a little bit of pro-town behaviour veiled in Zachstral being Zachstral.
Espeonage is still a really hard TR rn, and the main reason then was for the interactions with me. Mainly 22. That was the point I figured they were pushing something they thought could actually really be a thing rather than faking a push.
Sleepy was a bit iffy at that point, still is, but I can see the potential for town motivation at the root of his misguidedness. The issue there is that there's enough misguidedness for me to consider that he's scum anyway, so it's only a townlean.
I have already gone in detail on what was scummy about Hebi's post.
In post 109, jjh927 wrote:Hebichan was pretty much asking whether or not they are allowed to consider my behaviour scummy without committing to a vote. In RVS.
The non-committal is what's scummy about it. Checking to see whether they have a pass for committing to the vote.
And I wasn't getting crazy defensive, either. There was a bit of back-and-forth in which I was trying to place Espeonage, and I'm fairly confident they were trying to place me. It was never about defence, but more about the nature of their attack, and Hebi completely missed that to try and jump on a potential mislynch.
No, they are not all still my reads, but I'm not sure where I'd place Boon now because he's gone rather up and down. I'm detecting willful ignorance. Also more people have posted. Some reads are still the same though."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Sheep likely tells at least partial truth.
Creature has enough experience of me to TR me off the bat for actually playing the game.
Mulch does not. Large 205 I lurked hard, which is an anomaly in my town meta. So unless he's basing this on the bit where I stopped lurking when I was about to get lynched, then something's off."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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viewtopic.php?f=84&t=72576 <--this game was balanced like trash but it's not very long.
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=71471 <--You'd need a lot of time on your hands for this but w/e. Eddie says scum used my readslist as a reason to push me but all I really remember is Titus' bad play being the main catalyst for scum pushing me.
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I'm intrigued- what read are you talking about?In post 334, hebichan wrote:The defense of jjh seemed opportunistic from the timing and despite relying on his team, he hasn't actually given any other reads besides the one that could give him cred.
Like sure, relying on your team seems weak, but relying on your team to give a single read seems worse.
Also maybe you could give reads because I was coming around on you possibly being town before I left to go shopping because of you pushing Sheep. Looks like TvT from where I'm sitting"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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In post 334, hebichan wrote:The defense of jjh seemed opportunistic from the timing and despite relying on his team, he hasn't actually given any other reads besides the one that could give him cred.
Like sure, relying on your team seems weak, but relying on your team to give a single read seems worse.In post 338, jjh927 wrote:
I'm intrigued- what read are you talking about?In post 334, hebichan wrote:The defense of jjh seemed opportunistic from the timing and despite relying on his team, he hasn't actually given any other reads besides the one that could give him cred.
Like sure, relying on your team seems weak, but relying on your team to give a single read seems worse.
Also maybe you could give reads because I was coming around on you possibly being town before I left to go shopping because of you pushing Sheep. Looks like TvT from where I'm sitting
Oh you mean me that makes sense now"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Ftr Zachstral, your team should be pretty good for placing me. RC caught me as scum on that hydra in that game I don't bring up, Keychain was one of my scumbuddies in the only other scumgame I've played, and Firebringer is also a person. Although admittedly I think RC would have thought I was scum even if I was town that game; I guess it still counts as him catching me anyway.
Unless you've already talked about this and this is the real reason why you're laying off of me for now?"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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In post 465, momo wrote:Fuck...dave
Come on, I set a trap to catch scum, didn't think you would fall for it.
Right now, scum doesn't want scum to be lynched. They are looking for an alternative. I presented kat. Town, especially one as experienced as you, should never be voting kat. Kat is anti-town, not scum. This is an easy lynch that only scum would go for. Not anyone worth their salt as town.
SCUM READING DAVE
pedit: and jj does it too....could see them together
in fact, VOTE: davesaz
It's not a bad place to start pushing someone. Scum can hide as anti-town and I townread most of the people I've pushed/ other people have pushed. I mainly want to see if Katsuki will start being useful if we add a little pressure, because I can put Hiplop to the side for now"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Half the reason I'm going to attempt it tbhIn post 504, sheepsaysmeep wrote:oh this will be fun"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Okay Katsuki, no response yet to that first question. In that case, let's not make this a drawn out reactionary thing like I wanted it to be because that would have been more fun. Let's talk.
You've played with me on, I think, exactly one occasion- sexy brutale mafia. I was hydraing with Alisae and as such me and Alisae carried, but Alisae did most of the work.
What I remember was I ended up being on the wagon that lynched you, and that was really bad and Alisae yelled at me for it, but I think you did some pretty hard tunneling of your own on people who were town in that game while you were there. I think you're doing that now. You're tunneling but you're doing it without words and I want to compare notes but it's difficult when you aren't really saying things.
Since it was a hydra, I'm guessing you needed your memory jogged but I'm going to strongly suggest you try to remember how I play. And if you're noticing something wrong, then could you try to actually explain what that is rather than just pointing things out and implying they're scummy/bad? Otherwise, your posting gimmick is restricting you from being a competent player."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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You wanna talk me through why you think I'm lockscum when you haven't actually directly engaged with me at all?In post 542, gerryoat wrote:
Are you?In post 527, Zachstralkita wrote:gerry are you town bro
A lynch on JJH is something we shoiuld see through."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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In post 378, Thor665 wrote:Greetings all,
My urge to read 15 pages that blew up in one day is pretty much nonexistent.
Last votecount was from uber early this morning, so I'll wait for Alisae to post a current one and then will leap onto the largest wagon unless anyone has anything more exciting for me to sheep.
Pedit: Wow - lots of posts in a moment there.
VOTE: jjh927
The sheep defense this page feels legit or white knighty, so let's pressure more here for lulz.
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meaning "Sheep is either legitimately defending jjh927 or he is scum defending town!jjh927 for towncred", right? And that's the justification for voting me, which is counterintuitive to both scenarios. The vote fails to add pressure or lulz, and Thor is then absent and so does not follow up on either pressure or lulz. Pressure or lulz could be obtained under those circumstances by getting on the at-the-time equally sized sheep wagon.The sheep defense this page feels legit or white knighty
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Like honestly when I got wagoned more seriously I was waiting for him to show up and yell at everyone for being bad and trying to lynch me...In post 590, Zachstralkita wrote:Free my guy fro99er
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Last night was roleplaying then sleep. Apologies.In post 649, Zachstralkita wrote:SleepyKrew wrote:am I scum
I want to lynch Fenchurch or you.
Jjh is like Pontius Pilate watching me die. Yo buddy, get me a line to Transcend.
I'm trusting my teammate's Jjh reads over my own
VOTE: Fen
Didn't need to talk to Trans because I TR you, and Eddie and Giga TR you as of some earlier point in the game too. You're probably town.
Also lol at Zach comparing himself to Jesus"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle