Team Mafia 2018: Mafiosi Revolution (Over)

[Cheetory6]

I can't tell you how happy I am that it was only the first six pages of this game that Mulch ruined.

[Cheetory6]

Alisae's recent mishmash game

Lol.

Plus I’m pretty sure I’ve been towny so far

Are you sure that's the right word for it?

you're obvious town. i know this because meta. and meta is

always reliable

, especially when it's only two games.

You realize that I'm standing right here.

Hello.

I have no time to read the game tonight!

But I will tomorrow.

Let me help you out, gamestart is here:
viewtopic.php?f=127&t=74684&start=125

anyone scumreading this can die a horrible death in all mafia games forever

This seems awful premature.

like seriously what the hell do you all think you're doing

what's going on mulch

are you tone deaf motherfucker

This seems awful premature.
Are you that confident at reading Transcend? Have you seen scumDoggo before?

VOTE: una
I'm capitalizing on Transcend's last post about una.

hi cheet (:

hi doggo (:
how hard do I have to buddy you to change your mind on una being town and help me wagon him?
(:

[Cheetory6]

Link?

[Cheetory6]

Nvm I found it, you're useless.
(:

While I'm perusing can you talk at me about why you don't feel like Una wouldn't switch things up given that he knows that you know what you expect from him as scum here?

[Cheetory6]

Cheetory6 Two-Game Metadive ©

scumUna:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74257

townUna:

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=74458

I'd say his entrance here looks more like his scumgame [Chara do you like my incredibly rigorous sample size?].
His first few posts here are kind of jokey/maybe even uncomfortable in a way that's kind of similar to his scumgame.
His towngame was immediately down to business trying to find scum.

I don't really get an impression of genuine scumhunting from him in any post so far here and I feel like even with Mulch's garbage fire setting the tone of this game [which is something Una himself has already mentioned disliking], I feel like anyone who enters into a regular game feeling worried about being off-topic too much as town is probably going to be a lot more focused as town in Team Mafia.

The build-up to the Tora vote reads super jokey and if it isn't jokey/he's being serious about the connection then it doesn't really seem real either.
The way he summarized his experience and leans on every single player in the game seems kind of excessive, showy and overdone too.

I'm casing people on the figurative page two of this game.
Look at me go!

BRACE THYSELVES FOR SOMETHING YOU HAVE PROBABLY NEVER SEEN BEFORE

gimmme some time to process it

actually nvm i'm not sure if it breaks the rules or not

i'll let you know in due time

I don't understand what these posts mean tbh!

[Cheetory6]

okay but i really really REALLY do not want anyone to use meta from this competition to base their reads on this game

it's just fucking stupid.

Hahahaha.

[Cheetory6]

Fuck I was just about to post a paint drawing making fun of you for using meta after saying it sucks and then I realized that it was just from this competition specifically and not all meta.
):

[Cheetory6]

Una if you dislike the Mulch spam why are you still RVS voting/not trying to sort anyone who's here and posting?

P-Edit: I've got one made already.

[Cheetory6]

I know he's offered reads.
I don't see genuine real-time sorting in that.

Efforting isn't inherently town.
The sort of effort he's dropping here is showy and didn't end up meaning anything given that he's just RVSing here and saying that he's joking around until everyone shows up.

P-Edit: Haven't played with him.
I'm kind of not really understanding why you're getting in my way here given that we have literally nothing else to push here right now?
Would you like me to vote someone who isn't here and not develop my own reads just because you townread him?

[Cheetory6]

I'm so happy I haven't played a game with Mulch until now.
Blissful ignorance was sweet.

[Cheetory6]

Please don't back-and-forth with him.
:/

[Cheetory6]

If you hit 300 posts before I get home tonight then yes, this may be one of those games where you're getting lynched day one.

[Cheetory6]

@Cheet: Seems unlikely to me that Una made up that he believed he had missed a lot of game-time, whereas I think he'd be more alert to the gamestate as scum.

I'm kind of upset that this is resonating with me.
):

[Cheetory6]

and someone i dont care about

I can't believe you don't care about me. :')

[Cheetory6]

i guess

owch.

What's your actual track record on reading Transcend correctly?

[Cheetory6]

It's easier to count how many times I've read him wrong on my hand and imagine I'm an amputee.

Is it entirely gut based or is there something more to it that you can elaborate on?
Something that's easier to hold onto than "ginngie who is maybe town is maybe 100% accurate at reading transcend without having read most of the game"?

[Cheetory6]

T I think you're engaging a lot of things you probably shouldn't be this game.

[Cheetory6]

I have no reason to suspect mulch or transcend

Can you expand on your general thoughts here?
There's a lot of stuff to unpack with Transcend/Mulch and I kind of feel like it's overly flippant to just dismiss them both as town and not even elaborate on why.

Also please follow up why you were hard townreading Transcend earlier?

[Cheetory6]

oh I'm an idiot

I'm confusing transcend with creature IDEK why lol

still like :shrug:

What.
How do
you even do that?

[Cheetory6]

Tora can I get a bigger readpool from you when you get back from pool?

[Cheetory6]

Ya that's me just bein' town.

Make sure you don't forget.
(:

[Cheetory6]

I don't understand where I was being unnecessary?

[Cheetory6]

Yeah, kinda feels that way.

[Cheetory6]

Would like to sort Kagami and then power through the game if they're town, and powerlynch them day one otherwise.

Can you talk about why you're just saying you want to do this instead of just doing it?

[Cheetory6]

I'm a rock. Ask me things.
I'm a rock who likes being asked things.

[Cheetory6]

Okay cheet your job is to keep me sane. Any time I am getting not-sane, please pull me back from the brink.

Do you think it's possible for me to have a very good read on kagami given their posts to present?

Okay. Your job is to start working on being town if you are town then.
(:

I don't really have much experience with Kagami, but I think there are things that they've posted that are pokeable in general. The defense on Una was interesting enough, wouldn't be hard to get some kind of feeling for whether they're legitimately trying to sort Una there or if they're just WKing to generate content. Could ask them about an update on his Spiff read. Or what about the Mulch case that Transcend posted that they finds compelling.

I just kind of overly feel like your post was easy commentary and the Kagami thing was at best kind of lazy and at worst you, as scum, trying to overexplain your thought process to seem like you're doing something when you're not really doing anything.

You said you haven't read yet which is all fine and dandy, but you have my attention for when you do catch-up atm. And I'm unfortunately too dumb to just let things happen so I could get a more natural read on you :')

[Cheetory6]

I don't want you to interact with me and find out my true nature this game.

(You kind of seem like you're intentionally underplaying and I'm not really interested in trying to parse you while you're playing like this?)

[Cheetory6]

Feel free to ask me about something specific.
Or to poke me about specific posts.

Calling me flatly awkward without any context is literally just fishing for me to get pissed off with you, so I'd rather you not do that?

[Cheetory6]

Like, I feel like townYou knows better than to do this at this point.
:/

[Cheetory6]

Had to work all weekend, have been antsy about team mafia, only got 5 hours of sleep last night and work is stressful?

I'm also not really in that bad of a mood, I would probably find the way you've been interacting with me kind of irritating on a good day? I just don't really think there's anything interesting or useful for me to say in response to "you seem awkward" because I don't feel like my posting has been awkward at all.

At most I'm just trying more than I usually do which might seem different I guess?

[Cheetory6]

The rest of the post?

[Cheetory6]

Mulch is an asshole and therefore probably town. Sigh.

It's gonna be one of THOSE games.


Townreads on Gin and Spif, minor townreade on transcend. Rest is static noise at the moment.

I'll read the pages of shitposts I skimmed in more depth later.

Would like to sort Kagami and then power through the game if they're town, and powerlynch them day one otherwise.

[Cheetory6]

Okay.
Rephrasing: his entrance is low effort, but the big thing is that the end of it especially pinged me.
Which is why I specifically mentioned it.

I specifically said that I thought that the low effort nature of the post could be linked with him not having read in detail, but that I want to see more from him and I disliked the way he talked about wanting to figure out Kagami instead of just working on doing it because it felt like posturing.

[Cheetory6]

no other reads I can say with much confidence.

it's fine I'm definitely not offended.

[Cheetory6]

Gork is better at mafia

Spiff it's probably not okay for you to be playing under this alt when you're already in this game.

[Cheetory6]

VOTE: Cabd

[Cheetory6]

Hi Patrick congrats on pocketing me!
Do you have any thoughts on Cabd?

Is this a very strong point? If he has been busy the past few days and lost track of when game's were starting, I'm not sure why being scum would make him more alert to the gamestate.

My read here has ebbed and flowed a little bit. I think every readlist Una has posted has been really really bad and I don't really think there's much scumhunting coming from him as a slot and in general his content has definitely been very reactive.

Kagami's point is probably sitting less strongly with me now, but I'm kind of unsure because a lot of people are saying this is what Una is typically like as town and even though I didn't feel like that was the case with the one game I dove, I'm still feeling kind of waffly/influenced/maybe even a little discouraged? It's at a point where I feel like I could really easily draft up a sexy case on Una but I'm just kind of not feeling it if that makes sense?

If Cabd starts being town I might be down to try rewagoning.

Kmd feels off to me. I do think it's possible the team chat was put in the thread just to show indecision, and I always remembered Kmd as a more direct player than that. Admitedly, my meta might be about 6 years old, heh.

Shea felt kind of similarly a little while ago, but we talked about this a bit and it seems also probable that KMD is just being more transparent because it's Team Mafia.

Which actually reminds me:

Ugh. Page 5 gives me town reads on mulch, firebringer, and tor. I wanted to vote mulch on policy but won't if I'm townreading him./quote]Can you talk about what on page five made you feel like these three were town?

I don't get it. Why would he have thought he missed it as town but not as scum?

I feel like in general scum is going to try to plan things in advance/generally be aware of the gamestate and the way Una built up to saying that didn't really seem forced/fake? With a little more time I kind of agree that it's maybe a little more null than I was originally thinking when I first heard it.

Who? And any reasoning behind those reads?

Keely's my IRL name.

[Cheetory6]

If I was typing it in lowercase with a skeleton avatar you would be townreading me.

[Cheetory6]

The point with the Kagami bit is that I don't really understand why he would post it at all as town, not that I don't think the sentiment could be real if he was town.

I think that as scum it could be posturing about Kagami to try to make them feel like there's some kind of effort being directed towards trying to parse them and/or setting tasks/goals to hold himself accountable to doing specific tasks (which is something I've done before in the past as scum to keep myself motivated).

[Cheetory6]

Kind of obviously tongue in cheek in that context though?

[Cheetory6]

Comfort zone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
VOTE: Una!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cheetory6]

It's okay I'm less confident about you being scummy now because of ~context~.

I might case Una tomorrow if I'm feeling really productive.
I'm feeling pretty muddled tonight.

[Cheetory6]

T have you ever done the whole "this person is going to be a mislynch" thing when you were scum?
Also, how often have you been wrong about this sort of thing as town?

Keely, is 217 a townpost or bullshit?

First little bit is kinda townish I guess?
I feel like there's a lot of stuff that bothers me about Una that I'm finding it hard to get past. :/

[Cheetory6]

My sane-keeper cheet can chime in too I guess but only because he's cool.

Will probably be a little disappointing but here goes:

On the one hand I'm feeling townMulch in terms of his engagement/general gutfeels, but on the other hand his scumGame is apparently pretty good?

I could probably throw some hard effort at him to try to figure him out, but I feel like it's probably easier to just ignore him for now. [And I frankly probably ignored most of his posting in the first ten pages
>.>]

I told myself I would dig into Transcend vs Mulch harder tonight but that was probably never happening with my schedule right now.

Please compare mulch hater-boner to me in THIS game: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=73108

to his ISO here. It's different enough to earn that read from me.

Will try to get to this sometime in the next day or so if I can.

[Cheetory6]

Last game I was scum against Eddie, he townread me and then I dominated his ass. It dosen't make sesne that he would scumread me and think his read is legit here.

I would think this would make Eddie more wary of you, rather than just discouraging him completely from even trying to read you?

[Cheetory6]

Feels also probable that he could be detached town given general circumstances?

[Cheetory6]

That he doesn't feel familiar with most of the playerlist, sounded like he didn't really want to play in the first place all that much, the RC replace-out and he feels that Mulch is trying to policy lynch him?

[Cheetory6]

Except there's additional context of him knowing Kagami and respecting them as a player, something he's expressed already.

Does it not make sense for on him to want to condense with someone he knows well on a read that he's differing with them on?

I'm not even really saying it's particularly unlikely that he couldn't be scum doing this, but you're pitching this in a pretty warped way.

[Cheetory6]

You guys are silly because this is probably the most opposite to my scum game I’ve ever been

Can you talk about this a little more in general?
What specifically do you feel you're doing here that you wouldn't do as scum?

[Cheetory6]

Aristophanes hates playing scum and there are lots of people here who can confidently read him. It's possible he took scum. It's also possible that he might be punching himself in the face right now. I don't really think he'd do either to himself here.

I'll get to KMD tonight if I can Spiff.
Also have thoughts on your self-analysis but I don't really want to get into it while I'm at work.

[Cheetory6]

Nobody is saying that they're reading him based on his play here. I'm saying that he would be completely fucked as scum here and will probably start towntelling when he starts playing the game. There's literally no world in which scumAristophanes lurks his way to victory in team mafia and there's no way that townAristophanes lurks and doesn't replace out after a week. His slot is a complete non-issue and wagoning him early D1 is a waste of time.

[Cheetory6]

VOTE: Firebringer

[Cheetory6]

Why aren't you trying to get the bigger fish to fry

[Cheetory6]

Interesting that one second you want people you're familiar with to engage with you and then the next you're willing to just joke off their questions.

Do you think people should be compelled to vote for Spiff right now?

[Cheetory6]

I don’t want to make a fight or anything, which Spiffeh tried to label my posts as.
So for the most part you have felt hostile towards me, so when I respond, yeah I am going to joke to relieve tension


My true answer is I think Spiffeh is scum and I can’t describe it in great detail without just making up words and bullshiting just to make a case, which I don’t do. Maybe I am fear scumreading him maybe not. There’s no questions I have for him right now so just feel like observing and making snippy comments

Most of it has been grumpiness rather than hostility if that gives you better context for where my headspace was at.

I'm kind of in a place where I feel like you're scum with the way you're approaching things now though?

At the very least I feel like I should be townreading you by now and I'm not. There's a particular lack of oomph to what you're doing this game and this careful tiptoeing/pokey approach to me/Spiff that I don't really think townYou does.

I really feel like the off-topic stuff is reading more like it did in Alisae's game than it did in jj's game. Here it seems like it's a crutch to post in general, whereas it felt more like a way to keep you from getting frustrated in bread UPick.

Where's your head at on Cabd?
Can you pull specific posts by Spiff that are pinging you in general?

[Cheetory6]

If I vote you am I scum Mulch?

[Cheetory6]

There’s been only one point in this game I’ve been frustrated and my team helped me calm down instead of having me post a bitch fit

Sorry if that was a me thing.

I'm not particularly great at fielding criticism, so when I throw a ton of effort at something and someone criticizes me as awkward without referring to anything specific, it's hard for me to not take that personally in that moment? [and maybe even be a little mad that I'm putting in all of that effort to have my contributions to the game just be boiled down to "awkward"]

Kind of like saying an argument I'm making is stupid. It comes across like that person is saying that I'm specifically stupid.

If you're town I feel like it really shouldn't be hard to make it obvious if you're actually feeling invested in the game [or at least that's how I've felt with every game with townYou where you've been invested in the game]. So when I see stuff like a big readlist from you and I don't feel "hey this is town Firebringer" it just feeds into this sense of paranoia I'm having that you're more concerned with keeping up appearances with Spiff and I than you actually are with finding scum here.

[Cheetory6]

This interests me, because the only time I've ever seen Spiffeh play was in another Ether-mod game where he looked to me obvtown but was mislynched. In this game I feel like I agree with a fair number of his points, but don't townread him. Is he normally an easy read as town?

Was talking about Firebringer, not Spiff.

[Cheetory6]

I wonder why someone would get routinely mislynched if they regularly do things like this in their scumgame.


Honestly kind of baffling that Mulch is acting like there's widespread interest in a lynch on him given that like it's maybe four slots and there are a lot of people townreading him. Kind of baffling beyond alignment tbh.

I wish it was as obvious to me as it apparently it is to you hopefullyTownTranscend, but like, I'm kind of scared of sheeping a wagon on someone who's apparently been mislynched fifteen times in a row (unless I'm misunderstanding what he just said) when I don't really feel it/see it?

[Cheetory6]

I feel like, at some point, you probably have to just sit down and make a real case on him/put the work in.
Just saying he's scum probably isn't going to work here?

[Cheetory6]

It's what Transcend's been doing and Mulch has gotten maybe three votes on him mostly on angle of policy all game.
If people are townreading Mulch, he's not just suddenly going to get lynched because someone keeps pointing at him and saying "scum".

[Cheetory6]

Ya no rush.
Just saying that I've been staring at you and Mulch a lot this game and just kind of townleaning both of you in spite of what both of you are saying lol.

[Cheetory6]

When Mulch is gone I will take his place.

[Cheetory6]

I will be replaced with Gorkington.
Challenge accepted.

[Cheetory6]

I'm bad at mafia but I'm one step ahead of you c:

[Cheetory6]

I'd like to think if I were scum I wouldn't even give people the opportunity to view me as "underwhelming"

I would be pushing at least something hard and asking more questions to make myself look more productive

Okay gonna rewrite response to this that I already wrote at work :')

So, I guess my biggest issue here is that I feel like you're underthinking or understating how you could approach the game here. You've stated that you're overly busy right now, do you not feel like that would affect how present you would be in the game as scum?

There's also that this game has a lot of players that are familiar with you/your scumgame. It kind of strikes me as generally probable that you could intentionally play underwhelming during the earlygame when there's such a big presence in the game and then ramp up to a strong lategame once you've cleared out some of the bigger threats.

I guess I'm just curious at this point more than anything?

To me it reads like you're showing off how critically you're thinking about the game and addressing the fact that you disagree with a teammate in a way similar to hydra dissonance coming from scum

It's an awkward post for sure, I'm just not entirely sure that townKMD doesn't make awkward posts sometimes?

In my head I have this image of scumKMD from previous experiences and he doesn't feel as wooden here as what I'm expecting from scumHim.
Does it potentially strike you as plausible that townHim overshares things to try to be transparent?

this post would be better if it had been written in iambic pentameter.

Maybe next time.

[Cheetory6]

Cabd if you have time can you do an ISOdive on Firebringer and give some more detailed thoughts on him?

[Cheetory6]

Kind of emotionless/without a genuine drive.

Transcend trying to pretend this is scummy is bad.

I feel like townTranscend can say this too though, in that he would generally be more concerned with just trying to get someone he thinks is scum lynched, even if he's not really thinking/fact checking himself.

[Cheetory6]

When Mulch is gone I will take his place.

The joke is that I was saying that when Mulch is dead, I would start posting 10 times per minute and fight with Transcend.

Cheet: i know town Transcend can behave that way, but it seems to be that he's doing a lot of thinking here. it doesn't look like a thoughtless tunnel.

I think the execution of the tunnel is going to be sloppy, even if at one point Transcend was pushing it on genuinely thought out reasoning.
I would probably be more concerned if Transcend wasn't playing sloppy in the push at this point?

[Cheetory6]

At the very least the push got a lot lazier?

[Cheetory6]

I don't think I ever said I was overly busy because I'm not.

I think it may have come across as you being busy because of the big break in your posting.
Thought you might have actually expressed it as some point too, but I guess I made that up in my head.

[Cheetory6]

VOTE: Cabd
This is the real wagon now.

[Cheetory6]

Before we do anything rash and get a hammer, I want the following things/to do the following things:
i) Transcend's case on Mulch.
ii) A catch-up from Cabd if he has the time.
iii) Some back and forth with Chara about Transcend.
iv) Full readlist from Firebringer (:
v) Aristophanes catch-up.
vi) More thoughts from Kagami in general.

Haha look at try-hard me with my lists.
But yeah if someone rushes the lynch before I get these things I'm gonna fuck your shit up D2 if I'm alive so please don't.

P-edit: ya what this guy said

[Cheetory6]

Any chance of you trying to derail the wagon via content first?

P-Edit: Okay I'm holding you to that.
UNVOTE:

[Cheetory6]

Okay what about three scum

[Cheetory6]

The only reason I’m tr ginngie rn is incredibly dumb I am wondering what’s ur thoughts on her actually

Closer to town than not, but it's not really anything significant.
I could bs with specifics, but it's just that I haven't found anything I disliked in their posting, some posts that gave townvibes and I can buy them feeling disengaged from mafia in general as town here so I don't feel overly worried.
If PoE pool needs to get bigger they're probably going in but for now I'm not really worried about it.

[Cheetory6]

Transcend, yeah this is actually the only game North isn't following. Even Mathdino just said this game is insane to try to read because of mulch so he hasn't even tried to read you since your reaction test.

Mulch hasn't even been posting that much since the first 24 hours.
Tell them to just skim Mulchposts or ISOdive.

[Cheetory6]

Cabd if you have time can you do an ISOdive on Firebringer and give some more detailed thoughts on him?

I'd like to add Chara to this if you have time.
After you've made your catch-up post tonight.

[Cheetory6]

skirt skirt > Transcend > Katyusha > jjh.

Not sure on Lycan.
He talked a lot in behind the scenes/planned a lot as survivor, so I'm guessing he likes it to some degree, but he kind of lurked in general.

Is probable Transcend takes scum?

[Cheetory6]

I will say I'd rather Lynch mulch than cabd.

wat

[Cheetory6]

If Transcend is town, Chara is probably not.

[Cheetory6]

Chara's not Chara enough this game and I think if the push on Transcend is wrong then Chara is overly likely to be the scum pushing him.
Especially if either Firebringer or Cabd are scum.

[Cheetory6]

I'm somewhat thinking Chara + Kagami + ???? scum atm.

Is Cabd not in your pool atm?

[Cheetory6]

I'm too friendly to lynch!

I lynch friendly people like you for breakfast.

[Cheetory6]

rip doggo

[Cheetory6]

Ari how long until you're done you're catch-up, gimme a timeline?
Cabd how long until we get content from you again?

[Cheetory6]

Tell Chesskid to get better at reading me.

[Cheetory6]

<3 that's shitty man.

[Cheetory6]

I just realized that with Transcend gone I can finally lynch Firebringer.

[Cheetory6]

Also Chara, you're supposed to react to me calling you not Chara enough this game.

[Cheetory6]

Spiff I'm trying really hard to not get paranoid of you and hip is saying you're underplaying your typical day one.
Can you read the game more in-depth and start pushing some scumreads that aren't just sheeping me?

one of Transcend's off games or scum.

Did you think you should be townread at this point?

Can I get an updated read from you on Transcend's slot with the eddie swap in mind?

Can you talk about why you're townreading Mulch? Is it just because you thought Transcend was scum or do you think his play
is also townie? You've talked about how you've seen him do stuff like this as scum, so curious as to what the difference is.

Can you also talk about why you called me obvtown earlier given that every game recently that I've played like this, you've gutread me as scum?
What's different here?

You get six questions because you're extra special to me.
(:

[Cheetory6]

Spiff I'm going to lynch you if you lurk this game out.
You're not coasting.
It's not happening.

I've lost to scumYou too many times for me to be okay with how little you've done here.
This is Team Mafia.
Show me why you got Paragon.

I have a lot of townleans and you're slipping to null and it's really not okay for you to be doing that so do something about it this weekend or I'm coming for you really fucking hard.
Capiche?

[Cheetory6]

Like, you yourself have said you're not even that busy right now IRL. So I have literally no idea why you haven't had any conviction behind any read you've had this game when it seems like you're more or less caught up.

Don't give me some horseshit about how "oh I wouldn't do this as scum".
I really don't care.
Show me why you're town, not why you aren't scum.

[Cheetory6]

harhar.
Replacing out is an option if playing scum in team mafia is too hard for you?

[Cheetory6]

Do some ISOdives and put the work in this weekend.

I don't expect you to try to parse Mulch, but the rest of your list are all pretty easy to get through in a half an hour if you're trying hard to think about what each post is saying/doing.

I snuck in yours and Chara's last night before I went to bed. If you're town and demotivated, get yourself in the game by trying to figure things out. I'm not going to be comfortable with you piggybacking on my effort/buddying me all of day one just so you can nightkill me as scum yet again and coast to endgame.

i don't think i scumread you in Pokemon Sapphire, though. you were obvtown there.

You called me scum a few times in the mason PT and expressed wariness of me a bunch in the game?

[Cheetory6]

Why.

[Cheetory6]

Eddie, do you have a read on Spiff atm?

[Cheetory6]

I'm not even pushing you for being paragon.
I'm pushing you for having a scary lategame scumgame.

I don't understand why you would sign up for team mafia if you didn't even feel like trying. Do you know how hard townYou would railroad me into the ground if I was playing how you're playing right now?

Seriously, if you're town, either stop with the woe is me shit and read the game/get invested or replace out.

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Welp. I don't really feel like playing this game anymore now and the thirty posts I almost just posted are probably non-productive so.

See you guys Sunday I think?

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Not pissed at you.

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is it me?

cause if not you're one of the people I actually want to engage with due to our success last time we were town

Nah. Don't worry about it.

Down to condense reads at some point, just maybe should take a break from the game regardless.

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Oh I guess we have to lynch Spiff then.

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I'm actually trying to figure Patrick out again now.
I think I just liked hearing that he liked my one post and that he's been overly reasonable.

Tora is really stubborn as town. There was something that he was unwilling to budge on that reminded me a lot of his play in Alisae's latest mish mash game.
Though he definitely needs to start getting invested again because my townread is downgrading to a townlean at this point.

Need to throw more effort at this game sometime today.
[which is probably dumb after I said I was taking a break yesterday but oh well]

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viewtopic.php?f=23&t=74171
Was an actual mafia game.
Or rather, it was called "an actual mafia game".

I should probably revisit Tora though.

[Cheetory6]

Can you unpack that?
Why?

[Cheetory6]

Do you feel like it's not probable that scumFirebringer tries harder to mix in some content in the context of Team Mafia?

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I mean, post itself is indicating that there isn't any specific direct interactions I've had with Ginngie or anything specific in their ISO I could point at to say that they're town.
And I literally end the post off saying that I would add them to my PoE pool if I ran out of people to parse.
I don't really think that should strike you as a serious townread?

In a lot of ways Ginngie's play this game has been very minimal. I could ISOdive her, but I strongly suspect that my conclusion will be "there's not enough there for me to get an actual feeling for what her alignment is in a tangible way". I've been kind of putting her to the side for now.

Iirc there are people who are actually strongly townreading Ginngie (Chara comes to mind?). Would suggest poking them over me about it?

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Okay no worries! I more was asking you because I feel you are my strongest townread atm.

I saw it was a while ago so I wasnt sure if you had a better grasp on them since the post.

Yeah no worries. I know when you're catching up it can be easy to see something that stands out and not read into what's being said as much as you might if you weren't just trying to catch up.

Could maybe try to poke at Ginngie about some stuff if you feel like she's underplaying your expectations?
(Can also try parsing these posts which respond to concerns about her not playing at a certain level of play this game:

Spoiler: Ginngie posts

VOTE: Mulch

The only reason I'm pushing this is so I can actually play the game because checking in to 4 new pages every couple of hours makes me not read this game.

This isn’t something ginngie would ever push.

She tolerates a lot more than mulch.

You realize I’m no longer able to be hyperactive

And hyperactivity allowed me to read everything

Now am college

And social

And read on phone scrolling

That is how i play this now

It’s literally difficult and apathy inducing for me when i wake up to spam

Okay then suck my ass because you’re pushing a playstyle I’ve been developing that has a noticeable trend

So you joined team mafia, knowing there would be five games going on at once.
Decided you only had time for a bit so you would policy lynch someone who posts too much

I doubt it

I’m playing team mafia because originally it was gonna be me Bulba Pine and Eddie because we had a blast playing scum together.

Then it turned into an obligation and to have a little bit of fun with the players i like. Now Thor is in it cuz of 5 people rule and if you think I’m reading any game besides this game then lol

What playstyle?

I post in bursts whenever i have the time to do so.

Kilos, Maple, Cabds game that just ended, all of them I’m progressively posting less and interacting less.

It’s a noticeable trend of me not being involved like I used too

My entire team hates this game lmao

It’s not singular

To quote Eddie “fuck that”

Bulba “lowest priority”

mastina commented on Mulch town and Trans scum

If we are getting into playing team mafia arguments

Kinda wonder what makes you think I’d play this game as scum

Why would i pick a scum game if i barely play?

Or would i pick town which is a lot more relaxed and something I’m good at because it’s the only faction I’ve played as and haven’t been scum since April in your Real Folks game

Lmao

I don't know ginn much, but my team does, and they insist ginn wouldn't take a scum PM unless that team got 3+

Have any of them read her play in the game otherwise?
If not can you ask one of them to reinforce whether they think she's town here by play?

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I do indeed have time for tomorrow.

Thor is now in night

pls be careful.
Err on side of caution with referencing other games yo.

P-edit: I mean, nobody's really pushing a case on anyone with any degree of confidence at this point.

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Not saying it isn't an issue, I just don't have any really good scumreads that I feel like I could convincingly lead a push on right now.

Cabd is probably my best guess for scum at this point.
:/

If someone I was townreading was dropping a case that I could get behind and acting confident about it, I would probably be sheeping it right now.

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what was the cabd case? bad reason for townreading mulch is all I remember but that was kinda a throwaway comment

Wasn't really necessarily a case but:

Okay cheet your job is to keep me sane. Any time I am getting not-sane, please pull me back from the brink.

Do you think it's possible for me to have a very good read on kagami given their posts to present?

Okay. Your job is to start working on being town if you are town then.
(:

I don't really have much experience with Kagami, but I think there are things that they've posted that are pokeable in general. The defense on Una was interesting enough, wouldn't be hard to get some kind of feeling for whether they're legitimately trying to sort Una there or if they're just WKing to generate content. Could ask them about an update on his Spiff read. Or what about the Mulch case that Transcend posted that they finds compelling.

I just kind of overly feel like your post was easy commentary and the Kagami thing was at best kind of lazy and at worst you, as scum, trying to overexplain your thought process to seem like you're doing something when you're not really doing anything.

You said you haven't read yet which is all fine and dandy, but you have my attention for when you do catch-up atm. And I'm unfortunately too dumb to just let things happen so I could get a more natural read on you :')

My perception to his entrance is as above and he never really got to a better place in terms of general engagement with the game.

If I were to try to tldr:
it's mostly that all of his scumhunting (of which there was very little) seemed particularly flat, his choice of things to focus on seemed weird to me and the softclaim was kind of terrible for at least a few reasons most of which I don't really want to dig into right now.

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I'm aiming to dive Kagami, Tora and Una either tonight or tomorrow morning.
Can someone make a nice summarized case for why they're liking Kagami for scum?
Ideally like 3-4 condensed and easy to understand points. Will make it a lot easier to engage and force a Kagami is scum vs Kagami is town binary that people have to address.

P-Edit: eff you that's what I was about to ask for

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Bahhhhh I guess I should metadive implosion while I'm at it.

THAT'S OKAY I DIDN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING BESIDES MAFIA THIS WEEKEND ANYWAYS.

[Cheetory6]

How much has ur buddies been talking to u about this game?

A little.
Mostly just offering some reads that I've been taking into consideration.

[Cheetory6]

*shoots firebringer*

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I think Mulch is probably scum by the two games I just metadived on him.

[Cheetory6]

Cheet can you link those two games

What are you willing to offer me in exchange?

[Cheetory6]

Oh gross.
I can't link you anything because it was a joke.
And also because I don't want sexual favours from you.

[Cheetory6]

weekends are a mess for me I'm sorry

Apology not accepted.
Your priorities are fucked if this isn't #1.

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@Spiff,

I want a full rundown of what your read progression on Kagami has been this game.

[Cheetory6]

Pretty much anyone who hadn't posted much at that point.

Kind of confused as to why you think that it would look normal/easy for someone to vote someone who hadn't posted at all at that point?

My teammates have no interest in reading this game, which is part of what makes Mulch a great lynch outside of some really good reason to think he's town, which has yet to be provided.

I don't really understand why you don't feel like you weren't capable of trying to parse the game yourself to the point where a literal policy lynch was the default thing you were pursuing.
Do you have a history of advocating for policy lynching spammers?

Also, was there a reason you were completely ignoring Mulch's questioning of why you were scumreading him?

I would have to feel a little better about kmd before going that route.

What exactly did KMD have to do with Spiff at this point?
You weren't voting him and he wasn't voting Spiff?
Also don't really understand why you felt bad about KMD here at this point. (assuming I'm reading this post correctly)

I don't really agree with KMD's assessment of Mulch's entrance, which kind of adds to me feeling like I don't really think there's anything particularly egregious in Kagami's initial engage with him on it. It frankly is a really shallow assessment of Mulch's earlygame and:

I only have one reason for reading him because the way he plays makes it hard to take him seriously. He has like 300 posts. Probably two are readable. So good luck finding them.

I don't really understand why you trust the reason you have if you think he's that hard to read?

There's a part in Kagami's engage with KMD where they reference a contradiction in 1231 that felt outright incorrect - but it didn't really seem like Kagami was using that as specific reasoning as to why KMD was scum, which is probably the closest thing to a townleanable bit of content that I've gotten so far in Kagami's ISO. I feel like scum takes something like that and holds it over KMD's head, especially while trying to paint KMD as a potential Mulch partner at the time. Kind of shows some level of nuance in the manner in which Kagami may have been trying to sort KMD.

THE reason to townread Mulch is if you think Transcend is scum.

This quote isn't anywhere near as bad as people are saying it is IMO? Can someone explain it to me like I'm stupid why? It's not like Kagami is fishing for an Eddie wagon when they posted this.

It was the way she instantly trusted it despite once being part of a scum team that successfully pulled off a friendly neighbor fakeclaim.

There's a subtle difference between calling an FN claim is probably coming from town (and if you don't see where I gathered that, then I don't know how to help you) and believing an FN claim that changes into a 3-shot FN claim after it gets "roleblocked" 3 times and has a special modifier that makes shots get consumed when blocked unlike every other role in that game.

KMD why are you still pushing this point without any kind of acknowledgment of Kagami's response to it?

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scum lean for the majority of the game, she had like one post that I only read on my reread which seemed townish but idk

I feel there are still other options to explore before deciding on a lynch

Side note I never really understand the purpose of asking people about their read progressions because it's either in the thread already or not relevant enough for me to remember

Feels like you've had a lot of interactions with her this game, but haven't taken any kind of strong outright stance on her in general. There's posts that I can infer a scumread, but it seemed pretty hedged.

Also definitely feel like there's more detail that you can be putting into this.
Are you doing something more productive right now?

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Cheet, i'd note that Kagami also pointed me back to a very early list of reasons to scumread mulch... I'm not sure if there's a more modern set than those from page 30ish or so.

I can attest that there is a more modern list as I've just finished ISOdiving Kagami as I promised I would because I'm that awesome.
I don't want to talk about how not-fun it was trying to parse the KMD/Kagami interactions.

Are you excited to be asked whether your claim was real by 4+ people now?

I still have like 10 pages left of my reread that I'll finish up tomorrow and give a reads list

Maybe if it's a good reads list you can join me and eddie in the fun sorting the game party that we're planning on having tomorrow!
This part of this post was less fun before I looked at it and decided that I need to be more fun because apparently I'm a shithead when I play mafia and try to win nowadays!

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Will probably depend on answers to questions and more ISOdives, but I have some ideas atm that I'm going to keep close to my chest because wow I'm just so mysterious aren't I.

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I assume that all unaddressed posts are directed to me because I'm the most important user on the site.

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Spiff can you do me a favour and start all of your posts from now on with "Dear #1"?
It would really help me with parsing the game and understanding when your posts are being directed at me.

P-Edit: I'm sorry who are you?

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Hi Kagami I asked you things.

Here's a summarized rundown if it makes it easier:

i) Why would you think that Transcend voting someone who wasn't around at all would look better on him? Wouldn't it look like he was doing nothing?

ii) Was wanting to policy lynch seriously factoring a lot into your stance on him in the earlygame? Do have any kind of history of advocating for policy lynching?

iii)

I would have to feel a little better about kmd before going that route.

"What exactly did KMD have to do with Spiff at this point?
You weren't voting him and he wasn't voting Spiff?
Also don't really understand why you felt bad about KMD here at this point. (assuming I'm reading this post correctly)"

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Would appreciate someone checking this and letting me know what they think:

There's a part in Kagami's engage with KMD where they reference a contradiction in 1231 that felt outright incorrect - but it didn't really seem like Kagami was using that as specific reasoning as to why KMD was scum, which is probably the closest thing to a townleanable bit of content that I've gotten so far in Kagami's ISO. I feel like scum takes something like that and holds it over KMD's head, especially while trying to paint KMD as a potential Mulch partner at the time. Kind of shows some level of nuance in the manner in which Kagami may have been trying to sort KMD.

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I thought his responses to Transcends unusual Toranga vote were perfectly reasonable coming from town, and I don't see what Transcend is jumping at. If someone you're unsure/maybe suspicious of votes someone you think is town, isn't it normal to ask why? Im see the followup in post 410, but can't say it resonates with me.

Kind of feel like this is missing the point of what Transcend was saying/doing? Like, the issue isn't that Mulch questioned it, Transcend was saying that the degree to which Mulch reacted to Transcend pushing him vs Transcend pushing someone that Mulch was townreading was disproportionate. It seems like you're acknowledging this by saying you read 410 but then I don't really understand why you left the bit in about Transcend pushing Mulch for the Toranaga vote in this post. Or if you felt like the reasoning Transcend was using had changed at some point, it doesn't really seem like you checked back to see if it squared up and just accepted 410 at face value which would be kind of weird.

I feel like there's some portion of thought process being omitted here, can you walk me through it?

This seems a bit feigned in it's aggressiveness. I feel like you would understand the point Spiffeh is making even if I don't expect you to agree with his interpretation.

Quoted post is him relaying a teammate's thoughts so I'm really unsure why you were getting on KMD's case for seeming fake when it's emotional telephone. Would probably be a lot more weird if it wasn't feigned?

I feel alot better about implosion and

Unabomba

Can I get some words on why for the bolded?

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KMD
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Firebringer, Aristophanes (s), Eddie, implo (s), Chara
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Kagami, Ginngie (s), Tora (s)
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Una (s), Patrick, Mulch (s) *null line
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Spiff
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Cabd

Where (s) is a stale read that I need to spend more time on.
Una and Tora are for sures for efforting at tonight.
Implosion scum metadive is probably my next stop but probably not a tonight thing.

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Why is kagami a townread

Townlean, but I went through each reason that people were scumreading Kagami, wrote it out and then dived Kagami and disagreed with all of the reasons being pushed.

I've asked people to engage me on what I thought was something townish about Kagami but nobody has so I'm probably just going to trust my effort over people's kneejerk gut reactions to their posts.

Wow I am way too low you should be ashamed

Shrug. Your earlygame really sucked and I still feel like it's pretty plausible that you're scum who was trying to coast the earlygame who is now dropping content in response to pressure.
It's not a particularly confident read but I have a lot of townleans otherwise.
Might change my mind after diving Tora if I agree with your push there.

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Hi Kagami I asked you things.

Here's a summarized rundown if it makes it easier:

i) Why would you think that Transcend voting someone who wasn't around at all would look better on him? Wouldn't it look like he was doing nothing?

ii) Was wanting to policy lynch seriously factoring a lot into your stance on him in the earlygame? Do have any kind of history of advocating for policy lynching?

iii)

I would have to feel a little better about kmd before going that route.

"What exactly did KMD have to do with Spiff at this point?
You weren't voting him and he wasn't voting Spiff?
Also don't really understand why you felt bad about KMD here at this point. (assuming I'm reading this post correctly)"

Oh also:

iv) Is there a reason why it seemed like you were ignoring Mulch when he was initially asking you for reasoning as to why you were scumreading him?

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Nope.
I'm sure you can expect it to increase now though.

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Why are you so solid on Fire/Chara/KMD? Let's start there, especially with how paranoid of Chara you were last game.

Sheeping other people on Firebringer to some degree (or at least the reasoning about him probably not trying at all as scum is resonant).

Chara came from ISOdive things. Following their thought process from start to finish made what otherwise might feel like a distant engagement with the game feel a lot more fleshed out. Could probably give specifics if you wanted them. I was arguably a lot more paranoid of A50 in Alisae's mish mash game. I think I said something along the lines of "Chara might have a scary scumgame and A50 feels like scum to me" multiple times.

KMD just has a lot of energy that I feel would be really really hard to fake for scum and especially for scumHim (having seen him basically lurk out as scum a few times in the past. The Kagami push especially just kind of seems like a misunderstood but genuine push from him.

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Concerning as in you think I'm scummy for not trusting Spiff who I think has a competent scumgame and not believing Cabd's fn claim because it's probably not real?
Or concerning as in the gamestate is bad right now?

Because if it's the former then I don't really know what to tell you?
I just dropped probably like 3+ hours into reading the game and have posted loads of content that you could be picking at right now and I think it's kind of stupid to be picking at the readlist of all things when basically every read I have right now can be explained pretty clearly [which is something you're straight up admitting in this last post?] and I'm pretty obviously town?

If your thing is the latter then okay sure, tell me who you think we should be wagoning and I'll read them tonight and we can figure shit out.
If your thing is the former then we're going to have to have a bigger conversation about why you're well poisoning here.

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The latter, do you not remember being one of my three strong townreads .-.

i'm about to tell you who to wagon,

Okay lol.
I was getting the impression that you were about to flip on me and I wasn't really down to deal with that q.q

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There's a part in Kagami's engage with KMD where they reference a contradiction in 1231 that felt outright incorrect - but it didn't really seem like Kagami was using that as specific reasoning as to why KMD was scum, which is probably the closest thing to a townleanable bit of content that I've gotten so far in Kagami's ISO. I feel like scum takes something like that and holds it over KMD's head, especially while trying to paint KMD as a potential Mulch partner at the time. Kind of shows some level of nuance in the manner in which Kagami may have been trying to sort KMD.

Have only posted it twice and referenced it in the post you're referring to where I say I've parsed the reasoning for Kagami being scum, but sure. Here it is again.

Can you, specifically you, as in Mulch, articulate why Kagami is scum?
And we can talk about it instead of having a really stupid "NO KAGAMI IS SCUM YOU ARE WRONG" vs "NO YOU ARE WRONG BECAUSE KAGAMI IS TOWN" type conversation.

[Cheetory6]

I'll be back tonight.

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Cheet. What is this?

I don't understand what this question is asking me.
If it's just where have I seen you lurk out as scum, then would be the only three times I've seen scumYou that I can remember which are the game where we were partners where I think you were kind of trying to play low content [has been a long time so I could be wrong], a Wake large where I remember you playing low content as well and Nancy's game where you were 100% lurking out.
If there's something else I'm missing then feel free to fill me in?

Cheet, why do you think Town Kagami flips his read on me so suddenly after that exchange?

I only just realized that's the game we were in together. I was thinking it was Nati's MTG game where we couldn't win because there it multiball with a bulletproof IC.

I vaguely recall playing with you in some game where Juls was scum and I was a Dragon or something like that.

I had you as reasonably likely scum because your reason for town-reading mulch, who continues to be obvious scum, was absurd.

I've eased off that because I now remember you from Inu Yasha.

Feels like this makes sense to me if there's a reason why your play in Inuyasha would explain the context for your push here in Kagami's eyes.

[Cheetory6]

Okay I guess you're scum then.

Glad we got that sorted.


[It's really not just activity either though? I feel like in nancy's game you were really wooden when you were around and here you don't feel that way. I know you've been like "WHAT DOES THIS MEAN" before during this game but I still feel like it's the case ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ]

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I thought it obvious enough from my previous post on Kagami, but I agree with your comment that he looked like he was trying to sort Kmd.

I think it's moreso the people who are pushing Kagami that I was hoping to get engagement from on it as to why I was potentially wrong.

I've got some work stuff that's been keeping me from really diving into anything deep and so anything I post until that's done is probably going to be a little surface level, but I do eventually want to sit and think about your responses to things to get a better feel for you because I think what you've posted about your distaste for scum is compelling, I just haven't gotten that same impression of towniness from your actual game-related content if that makes sense?

I also really want to pick apart the Kagami cases that I've seen because I know that I disagree with them, but I need to articulate why in the thread in a way that's generally accessible.

The number of people hopping on because "lolPoE" and "shrug I don't townread him" is kind of concerning and feels kind of weak given that this is Team Mafia and I've been kind of expecting town to be tryharding here?

Chara and Ginngie it's like, okay, sure I understand context for these [and I hope Chara eventually follows through on that casing that it promised], but implosion doing that feels really weird if he hasn't established reasoning for why Kagami is scum before now. [And with a lazy control F I'm not seeing anything compelling in terms of reasoning for Kagami other than hesitation from him and even a post about "I don't want the day to end because it's productive right now so I won't vote Kagami", so I'm kind of unsure why he's suddenly okay with it given that we're still being generally pretty productive right now?]

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(i will actually ISO him and give you something more concrete when i'm home.)

[Cheetory6]

ok, i did a very quick look at Kagami because i did want to reward how hard Cheet is trying here

<3

this game feels like one which can be solved by PoE, by the way

I certainly agree, but I think day one is a day we can afford to not be satisfied with complacent PoE while everyone is relatively high energy. We still have roughly a week, I'd like us to force scum to really have to put 110% in to not get scrutinized with what time we have left remaining.

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Feel like it should be kind of evident that Chara is scumleaning Kagami based on them having voted Kagami, saying they're PoEing them as most likely scum and the overly negative assessment of Kagami's ISO.

Are you doing catch-up things right now Tor?

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Speaking of thinking Spiff is scum ( (: ), Kagami/Spiff partnering feels like a really real possibility to me and a huge amount of scrutiny should be applied to one if the other ever ends up flipping scum.

Implosion's Kagami case posts are hard to find something to disagree with on the surface but I agree with Patrick/Eddie that it really feels like something's wrong with them. The approach feels off to me? Something like.. he's trying too hard to find scum motivation in a way that feels more like "I want this person to look like scum" rather than "all of these points are genuinely standing out to me as reasoning for Kagami being scum".
If he's town he's probably going to find that commentary unfair/annoying though, so I'm eventually planning to pick apart the reasoning itself.

I probably have no time until Wednesday to do anything substantive.
Can probably do some real time interaction if people want it.
Weeeee.

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I think his approach to Mulch there might be the scummiest thing I've seen so far in the game.

Why is it scummy specifically? Pitch me it.

What made that pairing come to mind then? Just Spiffeh backing off Kagami or?

There's a bunch of interactions/interest from Spiff in Kagami, but Spiff never really gets anything from the interactions and just kind of comes off with "maybe scum". The way the interactions happen just strikes me as potential distancing.

There's some other stuff too but I'd need to reread to put it together into an actually digestible set of points.

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I'm not going to continue making excuses though. I will catch up and be relevant.

I would to the classic Pine replace in strategy of reading just the last 5 pages and using it to extrapolate the whole game from, but I know 90% of that is probably shitposts and by the time I get done I'll be another 10 behind!
So i may as well skim the whole thread.

Is there a reason you're not comfortable offering up more thoughts as you go instead of just compiling them all at the end? Would certainly be easier for scumYou to create a narrative of your reread at the end of it all, rather than putting it together as you go and potentially having to worry about people picking at specific things as you reference them.

I also really dislike the way you've referred to this game as "90% spam" because it's really not all that true after the first little bit of the game.

p-edit: I could certainly be voicing a lot more concerns about you.
I especially wanted that thought on the table for people to reference against if I'm not here when we hit mid/lategame.

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Do you think I have time to seriously parse every player in this game?
I dove you like less than 48 hours ago and I no longer trust myself to be able to read people confidently through real time interaction.
I have work.
I have other commitments besides this game.
I'm trying my best.
If you want me to just not comment on your slot at all until I'm completely caught up with everything you've said, then okay.
But you're really not the only player in the game that I'm concerned with and I'm not even trying to lynch you right now.

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There's also that you're not directly interacting with any of my specific content beyond just being like "stop scumreading me!"
I have lots of reads that aren't you.
Feel free to engage those too if you're actually concerned with trying to figure this game out.

[Cheetory6]

I would probably be willing to wagon Aristophanes if his next post is terrible or Mulchslot once we get a caught up replacement.

[Cheetory6]

neato

[Cheetory6]

Una/Tora are next on my list.

[Cheetory6]

Is this the part where I ask you to get your actually good teammates to read me?

Because I'm a dick when I'm town right?

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Yeah I'm so apathetic with the six hours of isodives I did the last two days.

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Like just because I don't have a strong scumread at this stage doesn't make me apathetic at all and your assessment of my play as being apathetic when I'm at most just distracted because of work and other shit is kind of ridiculous?

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Ask RC to read me for you if you're going to assess what I'm putting into this game as apathetic.

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If you don't think my towngame is tentative until I find something I find scummy then you frankly have literally 0 idea as to what my towngame is like.

I ebb and flow and this game in particular I'm not seeing anything obviously scummy. Which is something a lot of people are echoing. Just wait until I get on a computer.

[Cheetory6]

I’ve played over a dozen games with you
And ur gonna say I don’t know ur Town game?

Really?

Apparently given that you think my most invested game in a long time is my scumgame because you skimmed four of my posts and decided that I'm apathetic here for some reason.

Feel free to actually ISOdive me and then tell me you still think what you're pushing right now.

[Cheetory6]

Oh noes will you read eight of my posts this time before deciding whether I'm town or scum?

[Cheetory6]

I'm literally trying to not make this conversation about how much I fucking hate the way you play mafia.
But sure, if you want me to go full asshole I could take it there if you'd like.

[Cheetory6]

Hey Firebringer just FYI this is what it's like when I'm actually angry at someone if you wanted to know what that's like.

[Cheetory6]

The funny thing is that Firebringer doing this is probably going to actually make me want to not look at this game and try to figure it out for the first time in seven days.
Literally so stupid that you would call me apathetic here, you have no idea how fucking frustrating that is coming from Captain Useless himself.

[Cheetory6]

Yeah man couldn't be that you've been infuriating to play with for months now.

[Cheetory6]

Captain Useless

This was dumb.

I'm taking a break.
Sorry Eddie.
I really need it.

[Cheetory6]

Eh I am an asshole.
It's fine.

[Cheetory6]

Since I'm now on Spam Squad, I'm going for a playstyle change for this game.

Haha how about fuck no.

First 20 pages Transcend is looking towny.

Disregard previous post, that Cabd vote is bad as hell.

How the fuck is Transcend the only player I have a read on after 35 pages?

Okay how about if I don't have a reason to townlean you in three pages you get to die. How's that for some motivation to not spam and fill three pages?

[Cheetory6]

How about you back off and let me form untainted impressions I can easily reference?

You can do that without posting one-liners with literally 0 readable content in them.
This game is already really big.
If you can get through 30 pages in 13 minutes I'm sure in an hour when you're all caught up you'll be able to compile a complete catch-up post.

[Cheetory6]

Finally another read. Firebringer town. Same reason as Mulch's townread of him.

So, because he fakeclaimed gunsmith?

[Cheetory6]

Should assemble be familiar with your tendency to fakeclaim?

[Cheetory6]

Can you put into your own words why Firebringer is town?
Is it literally just that he claimed gunsmith and said he would target your slot?
Or is it something else?

[Cheetory6]

But then also:

Disregard previous post, that Cabd vote is bad as hell.

So we basically have no idea where he stands on Transcend.

At the very least assemble is being very obstructive with actually explaining why he's felt anything in the very minimalistic catch-up he's done so far. Kind of have doubts that someone could actually read the first 30 pages and only waffle on whether Transcend is town or scum.

Explanation for Firebringer townread comes here:

Firebringer- Right now leaning town, plus I'm getting cleared by him in the night with the gunsmith. if there is a doc would highly appreciate saving him

So unless there's a townread on Fire reasoning I missed from Mulch [which I didn't see from control-f], assemble just managed to get through 35 pages and that's all he's got so far? So I would like him to point at the specific post he agrees with from Mulch and explain why he agrees.
Really shouldn't need to check with teammates to elaborate on anything wrt this.

[Cheetory6]

So, you're claiming that you managed to get through 35 pages in only 17 minutes?
Like, I wouldn't be bothered if you just said "I haven't read anything yet, so my reads aren't great and I'm pretty tired tonight", but I'm kind of baffled that you're incredulous that you don't have reads when you're clearly skimming the game super hard.

[Cheetory6]

I don't understand how that's relevant?

[Cheetory6]

Like, are you misunderstanding me and thinking that I'm criticizing him for having bad reads at only an hour into his replacement?
Because I'm really not trying to make that point at all.

[Cheetory6]

weeeee
VOTE: assemblerotws

I think ur critizising him for skimming for no good reason.
Why aren’t you yelling at ari for not even reading?

He's not even admitting he's skimming and making posts like this:

How the fuck is Transcend the only player I have a read on after 35 pages?

Why is he incredulous if he's skimming?
It makes no sense.

[Cheetory6]

I don't understand how I can be more clear about how fake that feels to me.

[Cheetory6]

Cheet, Mulch was town..

What's your track record on reading Mulch correctly?
You've seen his scumgame, yes?

[Cheetory6]

omg the best thing about this is that I get to case Mulch without having to deal with Mulch.
Stay tuned folks.

[Cheetory6]

Kagami is deathtunneling my slot on bad meta and an unverified assumption that Mulch would pick scum. Before we got role PMs, he said he'd take a town normal PM over a scum theme PM.

So you/your team chose you for this mini normal over the other after you saw what your roles in both normals were?

Yeah. I was planning to take the scum one if we got one

Uhhhh

Who knew team mafia could be that easy.

[Cheetory6]

Technically it's not really a scumslip given wording.
But then there's also that I still want to rope the shit out of him though.

[Cheetory6]

maybe it'll be an SK flip.
Hopefully people townread me for not knowing that it's only three scum.

[Cheetory6]

Lack of reads during twilight is promising.

[Cheetory6]

Can we just actually lynch him? I hope no one is seriously buying JK...

Okay.

[Cheetory6]

Okay let's lynch him

[Cheetory6]

Okay lets lunch him

[Cheetory6]

I don't get JK as often as Flavor Leaf gets scum PMs in mini normals, but I do get it.

ok townAssemble
who is scum

[Cheetory6]

thank you eth- wait a second
fuck
it was implosion

[Cheetory6]

is it really all that nerve wracking when you know who the scumteam is?

[Cheetory6]

I actually feel physically exhausted tonight.

[Cheetory6]

Honestly I'm really hoping this flips scum as a pick-me-up at this point.
Lol.

[Cheetory6]

Nice one.
I'd like to start going swimming more.
I'm at least doing frisbee once a week at this point so I can almost pretend like I'm physically active.

[Cheetory6]

get off rat

[Cheetory6]

Gamma Emerald, Aeronaut, Something_Smart and Fro99er.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

VOTE: Aristophanes

[Cheetory6]

Also, don't put me in a position where scum can quickhammer me.

Lol.

[Cheetory6]

Oh god what if
scum plays their hand
on D2
after a scummate was just lynched
what if?

We had better all not vote Una to prevent such a terrible terrible thing from happening.

[Cheetory6]

I think everyone should unvote everyone before scum can capitalize and quickhammer.

[Cheetory6]

cheet baby

whats up with Ari vote

I would be ambiguous but there's already a lot of annoying stuff to wait on so, unfortunately no guilty,
it's mostly that he isn't being town enough and that his townread on Mulch was hot flaming terrible garbage and I'm pretty sure townAri is more wary of the possibility of scumMulch.

But I'm probably realistically going to just deathtunnel Cabd until he fullclaims if Una/Eddie resolves because the softclaim stuff is getting pretty tired.

I think everyone should unvote everyone before scum can capitalize and quickhammer.

U first. Chuckie can’t be trusted

You're the only person who doesn't like this avatar.
):

[Cheetory6]

Who my friendly neighbor is, well, that's about to be Self evident.

Maybe he's a self-directed friendly neighbor?
He can confirm himself as town to himself?

[Cheetory6]

If kagami flips scum then trans is town imo

Great, then we agree he's town.

Wait what

Oh lord

This is probably my favourite post of the game yet! XD

Watching that thought process was amazing!
And towny AF!

Do you believe this?

[Cheetory6]

Like, unless this is Ari's first game with Mulch and he has literally 0 idea of what Mulch's reputation is (which he should have gotten from reading the game and seeing everyone's waffling on him because of his scumgame's rep), this townread is for the weakest reasoning and doesn't indicate any kind of serious parsing of what's going on in the posts themselves given the user that's making them.

[Cheetory6]

Mulch is an asshole and therefore probably town. Sigh.

Here's another bad Mulch townread!
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!