Team Mafia 2018: Game 3 - Random GIFs Game Over

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{Keychain, Bulbazak, Radja} - town
{CDB, Dunker} - pretty town but there's not a lot to work with
{Mathdino, UCV} - i really question play here but i'm townreading for various reasons
{Chesskid, Aero, A50} - can't really strongly justify a townread here
{tbone} - own special category 8)

My would lynch list includes:
Aeronaut (lol)
Titus(Transcend)
Havingfitz(LLD)
Elena Fisher



This really isn't anything I haven't stated before.

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You seem to scumread me for LLD's undetermined alignment.

You pulled Radja into this "team" the same way. He reacted in the way I would expect town to. His team stuff seems legit as well (ex. reck handwaving comment re: chess/mathdino).
Idk, I would be surprised if he's scum.

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I'm stonewalling A50 and Titus (this time cuz I think they're both town)

was what I was referring to as ridiculous, lol.

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:{ reck doesnt notice me


tbh reck's townread on LLD makes me doubt this lynch on fitz even more


pedit
-uh it's not much other than LLD had a lot of people in her "i would lynch you" like aero (lurking, not posting much) but aero was the one she pointed out as being an easy mislynch? with them both on my meh-list at the time i wanted to note that down

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i know but i wanted more comments on LLD AtE from people who i think can read it better than me

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VOTE: Elena

I'm pretty sure I want this the most after going over my reads and pestering my team.

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VOTE: unvote

Meh. I'm gonna wait for Titus and Sleepy to give me reads, but consider me super interested in a Elena lynch still.

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I think I've come up with a reason why I'd be uncomfortable with the Titus lynch and maybe my reason is the same as Math, but I doubt it.

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Shea has meta on me? hMMMM
OK I don't read this as fake tho

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Fortnight

bulb who was in kilos also said im clearly not me in kilos (which is true) so im a lil lost on that

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Bonus points from singer: also has townpings from Dino, also picked up on some Keychain stuff that seems like low-effort scumposting, call me back when you’re ready to take her seriously as a lynch target y’all!

Both Reck and Singer say this?

The thing is Keychain isn't a low-effort scum-poster, imo.

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N_M wouldn't quickhammer me tho so that's unfortunate for you

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Normally to lead a lynch you need to give a reason

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I am not familiar with any of these players, nor have a played with any of them other than Sauce. So, uh, all equal?

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I'm not dismissing any of them. It's hard to dismiss them when I don't know the reasoning for any of them. I'm just saying their reads are definitely not based on meta, so I can't answer you that question without knowing their reasons.

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VOTE: Elena

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It's like how I never knew what I wanted to be as a kid, but I always wanted to be a psychologist in the back of my mind. And as I grew older, I thought it was stupid but I'd take all these quizzes and stuff and they said I should study psychology. But then I got under the impression that psychology didn't actually make any tangible sense and it was far too easy, so I went into medicine. But sometimes I take psychology classes in University and I get all excited. I'm so passionate about learning about it, but I don't think I'd ever make it clinically. But even little me knew it was always psychology that I wanted! But I always doubted myself and other people doubted me too. But guess what? I always come back to it. It must be true.


Anyways,
that's an analogy for this game and why Elena is scum. Vote up.

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VOTE: Bins

I feel like this now.

I mean,


I’m not opposed to switching back to you if it makes your life easier.

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1) How is this a survival vote? I have literally only a50 pushing for my lynch. Also, it was a joke... very clearly a joke.
2) I'm currently townreading T-Bone, but it's definitely the read I'm least sure on. I don't really have a reason to townread him, but I wouldn't be comfortable lynching the slot, even if we were pressed for time (which we are getting).

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My Elena read isn't a joke, the ramble was just because I'm bored. If you think that's anything near close to an "explanation", wow.

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And what do you think that means in terms of LLD's alignment?

Nothing much, I just thought it would make them buddies.


And the Titus thing I can't say because it's related to other games, but after consulting with team and myself thinking it over, it definitely isn't enough to not scumread her.

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@Titus: Get off Bins. She's an Aronis-level read for me. Remember Night and Day. You know what that means. Join me on A50 for great justice!

VOTE: A50

My team really wants to work with you, so I will do that since they have read the game. My initial impression is there is something drastically wrong in Tbone and Bins. RC team might be scum as well as scum RC tends to exaggerate and attack me when I am correct.

something something survivalist votes something something




I'm going to look at Key's Elena post when I have time. Right now I have a midterm. But I would love to end this day lynching Titus-slot as well, so yeah.

Math. I swear to gosh momo flip is not enough to stonewall the a50 lynch and I really can't see how you think a50 is town worthy of defending (Sorry a50)

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@ mod - I think Bulba is voting a50?

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VOTE: Titus

It's not a bad D1 lynch and I'm for it. I agree that I don't think town!Titus comes in here guns blazing at me with such conviction before reading the game.

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VLA from Friday 5pm EST to Sunday 5pm EST

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I started scumreading the slot when Transcend replaced in.

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doggo

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oops


not just that but the post lmfao

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I honestly think T-Bone's alignment flips this game for me, but I still don't want to lynch him D1.

If T-Bone is scum, I need to re-evaluate my reads. I would probably then be convinced that LLD is scum with him. And maybe Chesskid/Smoc slot. A50 can also fit in this.

If T-Bone is town and Titus is indeed scum, I think I need to look closely and confirm my Elena read. Not sure who fills the gap in there, maybe A50?

This is mostly because T-Bone looks town from my current perspective and my scumread on him is entirely tonal and it isn't enough right now. I feel like we're agreeing more on reads now, so if he's scum, I'm just plain wrong about everything else imo.


p-edit - Yes, I have experience with Transcend!

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I don't get the Transcend hard townreads. Transcend definitely acts like that as scum sometimes...

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I don't see how you can say that. Didn't A50 just beat us in Switch? How is your read so certain, considering A50 is 100% capable of this play as scum. And he is getting away with being completely anti-town for most of the game.

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I'm also not convinced Titus and T-Bone can't be scum together, just want to make that clear.

This is all pre-flip stuff, because I'm unsure what more to talk about. Need a flip for new reads.

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Not sure what you want me to say re:Radja?

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I'm unsure why I'm the tunneled LLD-buddy here. Tons of people (obviously on the Titus wagon) are picking this over Fitz. But for some reason, they aren't of interest to you? Get your head out of the tunnel, please.

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Because of the TIME you picked to join the wagon! At one point there were 4 or 5 votes there, and if you SR'd her you could've put her @L-2, but you didn't. So, you're voting there now for a purpose, and that could be either of the two I've mentioned in my previous post.

You realize I was voting there before as well?

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My team is all VTs btw.

That is the oddest thing to claim and I am very much conflicted.
1) I don’t believe it.
2) Why would you think anyone would believe it.

You realize this is a confirmed lie, right? Because someone on your team has already flipped not VT.

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Right now, my impression is that Bins and Fitz share an alignment at this time.

Yeah, please lynch this. How is this even a remotely good argument? You can’t even think of a scenario where Fitz and I are town and scum? Like it’s impossible I’m town if Fitz is scum?


Good analysis.

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Bins,

Right.

Wasn’t RC scumreading Titus?

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These are the two posts that make him strongly believe Titus is scum. From how urgent he was, I think Titus is his top scumread right now.

Literally 3 posts ago in your ISO.

Want to clarify what made stubborn ol’ RC flip as if he doesn’t remember his read?

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Also people keep acting like I’m not willing to lynch LLD slot like WHAT THE HECK GUYS I have been saying this whole time it’s a good wagon too, but I want to push Titus over Fitz.

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You're right that this is almost certainly a lie.
So why are you not voting it???

Because it’s the one lie in the game town can tell as well?
And because I really think Titus is scum with her entry?

Because scum Titus replaces into games and pushes things really hard and is townread for it.


Also the more commanding of this game RC gets, the more I stop townreading Keychain. Just FYI.

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And if you mislynch Titus because of your ounce of preference, that's going to mean a lot.

Titus lynch has a lot more information to me. Many people have said Doggo is obvtown or had really weird reads on the slot. This is part of the reason I want it dead.


I’m so confused on why no one can see my push as real and rather think I’m just trying to throw the game right now over another slot who I said I’d also vote if I don’t get my Titus lynch.

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Don't give us this act, Bins. The fact that your vote has been on Titus, who is more than likely the designated alternative to the Fitz wagon, speaks way more than you saying "Eh I could lynch LLDslot".

My point is there’s 10 other people not voting for your precious Fitz wagon and yet people keep directing their attention to me. Tons have people haven’t even stated an LLD read (Chesskid?? etc). This isn’t the obvious wagon to push to anyone but you and freaking RC.

You realize that I don’t want you to make pre-flip associations with me (who is town) with someone I have a scum lean on and I’m down with lynching???

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Also the only reason I scumread LLD is because she would pick scum. She would make that entrance as scum.
That’s the main reason. And not sufficient for me when I have a scumread on play.

That’s not a play reason. Which I wanted Fitz to catch up first so I can give a play read of the slot. Fitz’s entry was completely lacklustre to me, but yeah. If you want to know why Titus > Fitz when I said I would vote both.

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No one on my team is reading other than Sleepykrew. I don’t think I’m going much weight in that.

Also:
- I scumread Transcend’s play. I see Eddie’s coming from scum.
- Titus being selected by a team just further argues my point. She’s great at replacing into scum slots.
- I’m not a meta player. I think meta stinks. When have any of my reads been based on meta? I only look at meta to see if what they’re doing is something they can or have channeled as scum in the past. I’m not reading the tone between games.


Why are you defending RC? Seriously. RC specially antagonizing me because I townread him is the controlling RC I can’t and won’t trust. Sorry.

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*specifically


I need a break.
I can’t push anything when I’m V/LA, so I’m going to hop on the biggest wagon I like.

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It changed when something my teammate said changed and I can’t really say it.


Titus is capable of this as scum and you’re townreading for it. I badly worded it, but her entry is scummy and she can do this as scum.



If my tone is shifting, I’m sorry. I’m letting RL stress bleed into the game. I just think I’m right and don’t want to be wrong. I think we all feel this way sometimes.

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If TBone is your scumread, then why be opposed to lynching him? If a flip solves the game

He's not my strongest scumread by a long shot.

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I’m debating whether or not to push this lynch now so we don’t have to do claims at DL.

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fitz wagon feels lazy

can you please vote and have opinions

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everything implicates me

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everything implicates me

You're not even trying to fight back (not in a townie!You way, that is).

why would i fight something so ridiculous hahaha i wouldn’t know how

but also


i want a claim because i’m tempted to just hammer
chess is right sadly this wagon feels lazy

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Yeah, I don't think anyone scumreads considering you massively pushed for the Fitz lynch.

A50 kill? Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh.
Why not Bulba? Keychain?
A50? Is this to draw suspicion to me? I swear.

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Actually, I'm going to take this A50 death as a nice blessing.

I think we look into {Chesskid, Elena, Titus}. I'd also be willing to look at CBD - but that would be an extremely lazy bus (but Marquis mentioned to me that CBD having 0 presence is scummy).


p-edit - I don't understand you.
I will do this defence once, and after that I will send gifs because it's midterm season and I have no time.

1) No one on my team is scum. Please stop using the "most likely" scum argument. I jumped on skirt skirt/LLD because I thought claiming all Town PMs was not natural because it wasn't going to be my game plan with actually all town PMs.
2) I KNOW HOW TO BUS. If LLD was my partner I assure you I would have not placed her as my second strongest scumread. She would have been voted by me or I would have opposed her wagon more.

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I still think Titus is my strongest town read as well. I mean she was survivalistic, but never voted Fitz. And Fitz never took the easy way out and never voted her and had a really weird read on the Transcend slot.

Chess is second. Smocaine vote parked LLD tho.

I'm really iffy on Elena but I just think after Gerry flipped town like ahhhhh.

I need to revisit this better. I'm just spewing cause I didn't really look during night phase.


p-edit - Oh no I JUST GLAZED OVER THE LARGE FONT
Also THIS ISN'T SELF META. This is just gameplay and me not being awful at scum.

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I still think Titus is my strongest town read as well.

**scum, obviously.

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(but Marquis mentioned to me that CBD having 0 presence is scummy).

That's a remarkably lukewarm take from somebody who's played a non-trivial number of games with me (including the last Team Mafia game, to which I think a lot of parallels can be drawn).

It's the only thing Marquis has contributed aside from "Elena would pick scum."
He isn't reading. He just asked me if you were posting a lot and I said "Not really" and he said "Could be coasting" or along that line.

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Loyal

OH I'm the special person?
Yeah I have nothing.

Guess you're scum then

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So Bins, to be clear, you're telling me you received nothing last night?

Loyal

why would you claim this so fast

Because it's likely not true.
1) It's a really strong role. It's a gambit, or whatever. Like who says "I never lie" lol.
2) Two Loyals in team Mafia? Nice.

(but Marquis mentioned to me that CBD having 0 presence is scummy).

That's a remarkably lukewarm take from somebody who's played a non-trivial number of games with me (including the last Team Mafia game, to which I think a lot of parallels can be drawn).

It's the only thing Marquis has contributed aside from "Elena would pick scum."
He isn't reading. He just asked me if you were posting a lot and I said "Not really" and he said "Could be coasting" or along that line.

Seems like a super valuable opinion to have shared with the group then, thanks for that.

Your relationship to LLD did not seem like buddying though, so I guess this was unhelpful rather than malicious. You maintained a much heavier level of paranoia about her than I would expect from a bus, and had doubts about the scumlean at times when I would have expected doubt to exist. So you're town.

Well, I haven't seen you do much other than vote park on LLD for one reason and I mentioned to Marquis and he still said it was in the realm of possibility. I guess I could ask him to ISO you but I'm really not interested in pushing it.

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This is why Math as a buddy is weird:

He pushed a lot of associatives to an unflipped scum!LLD, and I don't know if scum does that on their buddy when their buddy wasn't even in danger.

p-edit - Lol, I'm going to fall behind so quickly.

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I can't decide between Elena/Titus, but one of them is scum!

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LLD/Elena scumteam REQUIRES that LLD claiming to not know who Elena is (MariaR) was faked. I recommend people read that interaction before we go down that route.

That is so fakeable.

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Yes but A50 was still anti-town

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VOTE: Elena

Changed my mind.
This or Titus.

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I don't think I mind the way T-Bone is pushing Math. I just don't agree with it.

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I may have missed it, but when did you strongly townread A50?

Actually the top townread reaction is super scummy if a50 was vigged because she's trying to play it as a scum kill.

Math if you're going to preach the "who picks scum" works
Elena is 100% scum now that Gerry is town imo

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Bins, if you're townreading me, please sheep me. Math, you're making things really bloody difficult for town and furthering scum wincon more than the town one. Titus he thinks you're being super misguided right now.

I'm on Elena yeah

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I think wagon apathy day 1 is explained by 2 of the major wagons being on scum.

Thoughts?

Titus?

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considering im townreading everyone on both wagons



mathdino was legit counterwagon

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Votecount 1.09

Titus (4)

Bulbazak , T-Bone , UC Voyager , Bins ,

havingfitz (2)

Keychain , ChannelDelibird ,

Bins (2)

Mathdino , Almost50 ,

Mathdino (4)

Titus , havingfitz , Dunkerdoodles , Elena Fisher ,

Almost50 (1)

Radja ,

Not Voting (2)

Aeronaut , chesskid3 ,

Day one deadline is Sunday February 4, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-02-04 21:00:00)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

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also an example

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CDB is not one of my bottom 3 rn

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Oh wait I missed what Marquis said apparenltly I should be angry reacting CDB (entirely my words)

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Sorry. Midterm week.

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Still midterms.


But you can ask me stuff

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Like why are people townreading Elena, etc
What’s the scumread on Tbone about, etc

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hi aero

hows it been
wanna say something other than that

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I hate to say this, but I'm sort of apathetic on this lynch. I want to flip one of Elena, Titus, or Chess and I don't really care who it is because we have enough lynches to do all of them, right?
Meh.

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Not sure what "Fitz's weirdness" is.

But yeah? I do.

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Bins? Take a step back and think about your desire to flip me

then come back with me in your town AF pile thanks

I have a scumread on you but it's because of [redacted]
Also the fact I kept asking you before LLD flipped what you thought of LLD and you didnt comment

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Why pick town then, Elena?

As the "captain" I thought it be best I take whatever was left and I got this.

The fact she didn't answer with "All town PMs" makes me believe that there was a scum PM
and she took it. She just 100% has to have taken it

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not to mention it's a BS reason I don't buy

who actually used Team Captain as a point in who got what

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So the scum players hahahahah


You are actually fruit vendor, right? that was no bamboozle?

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I don't think you think what I think I mean lol


I mean true but still

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actually I'm going to ask Elli if I can say what my [redacted] is because I don't think it breaks rules

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That isn't it. It's not based on his teams flips. It's about how Chesskid's team would have known that LLD was scum. I am not going to say anything more than that.


I don't think that Smocaine is a braindead scum player and he would be a good choice. The fact that he started lurking would be a good reason to make the swap.


Honestly, the only thing I'm holding onto is Smoc's 'tunnel' on LLD.

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Considering it seems the scumteam came into the game trying to bus each other (just a feeling), I don't think out of the gate busses are impossible.

I really don't want to consider Bulba today. Considering he's also on the Elena wagon which is good wagon.

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My pick is the person I'm voting.


Titus might get cleared in my mind considering the fact LLD came in scumreading the slot then flipped to say they're 100% town. Seems like a read scum manufactures on town. But I can't be sure with LLD. Which is why I prefer Elena to Titus.

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Actually, I'm going to ISO T-Bone. Maybe I'll go back to that.

The whole "Bins' reads are weird" when LLD was my number one scumread bugs me. Not to mention I still can't get townvibes from any of his posts. If I can't get an Elena lynch, maybe I'll settle on T-Bone. Actually probably. I settle in life lol


p-edit - Radja I'm not at all talking about anyone's alignment other than LLD and Chesskid.

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But yeah Elli said I was a-ok to say what I said so I did so. But that's my basis for my scumread on Chess

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ok goodie

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not u dumbdumb

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Aeronaut, From Relaxed Nature
ChannelDelibird, From God Save the Black Goo
Radja, From Dandy Irate Hoes
UC Voyager, From Spam Squad

Lynch these 4 in any order

game solved

These reads are so boring
Like what the heck why is scum in the lurkers at this point

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Okay I'll make a deal with you guys to get out of this rut.

VOTE: Aeronaut

Wagon the shit out of people until they start doing things that aren't stupid, or replace out.

Arbitrarily picking Aero as the first of four.

This is a horrid vote dude

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What happened to being cool with voting Elena??
Now Aero
what

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I think the wagon is a waste of time honestly
every game has lurkers it just so happens in this game they’re probably town

Chess called the Fitz lynch lazy what the heck is this

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you just said we should lynch the four lurkers in any order
if we do that we lose
just saying

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math
if you want a lynch that’s not shit get on the elena wagon!!

chess
LLD could so easily bus elena in that situation and elena’s reaction to it was super weird so it’s not like a good reason to ignore and dismiss the elena lynch

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@keychain -
tell RC it’s a poutine for every correct read he gives so tell him to give constant input

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you’re townreading everyone that’s posting
and scumreading everyone that’s not


wow you’re not hard to fool huh

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UC Voyager Jan 22, 04:52pm Feb 08, 02:50pm 1 day 11 hours 33
Aeronaut Jan 23, 04:01pm Feb 09, 12:13pm 0 days 13 hours 31
ChannelDelibird Jan 22, 03:59am Feb 08, 04:14pm 1 day 9 hours 54
Radja Jan 22, 01:46am Feb 09, 02:19pm 0 days 11 hours 91

what’s your point

none of these people have given me the impression they’re properly read the game or given full reads

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LLD is an angry person

elena fakes AtE as scum as well

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You have in no way nailed Bins as town.

it’s not worth pointing out imo but it’s true that i wouldn’t have fallen for it as scum cause i’m not dumb

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Okay I'll make a deal with you guys to get out of this rut.

VOTE: Aeronaut

Wagon the shit out of people until they start doing things that aren't stupid, or replace out.

Arbitrarily picking Aero as the first of four.

BACK TO THIS

skrew wants to point out how weird it is you picked aero

considering your fascination with UCV and CDB scumread

you pick AERO
when you have CDB as red on your readslisr??

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also chesskids elena townread was described as a poop emoji from him

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you cant just toneread when we have a scumflip

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{Keychain, Bulba, UCV}
{CDB, Mathdino, Radja, Aeronaut}
{Titus, Dunker}
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{Chesskid3, T-Bone}
{Elena Fisher}



Our reads are really not that different Math, when it comes to the bottom. We should really focus on lynching the scumreads we share.

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I am defending Bulba. I have been very transparent on the fact he isn't going to be the lynch today.

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My first post mentioned my surprise that bulba wasn't the NK
I have no idea what you're saying lmfao

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Have you not seen me townreading Bulba???
Like
?!?!?!?

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Math I am under the impression you are ok with voting everyone in this game

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EXCEPT THE PEOPLE YOU CLAIM TO SCUMREAD

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I had a pretty bad read on LLD's AtE too
it's not enough
I think her partners are more likely to bus it

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More importantly if you want to pressure people to do something
Elena needs to get her vote of Keychain and give more reads than just buddy town reads

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And
for the 10000000000th time
Elena picks scum just like LLD did

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ok bins is scum

i made a case with quotes and stuff and then the quotes dissapeared so now im sad so ill just make a small little one

d1 bins doesn't mention lld a lot early, but says she is a scumread because "gut"
never votes her once i think, still a scumread though
prefers to push elena and math over lld
later on in the day when havingfitz wagon is looking good says she prefers to push titus over fitz
also mentions her main reason of scumreading lld is that "she would pick scum" when earlier on she said her main reason of scumreading her was "gut"

so yeah i can make a longer one but honestly it won't be much different from this, so idk if ill do that

yall can iso her yourself if you'd like to confirm these things

VOTE: bins

I don’t know how the things listed make me scum.
I was scumreading LLD for the same reason everyone else was, but was hesitant because of ATE and was sure Titus was scum. My viewpoints come from a town perspective. Until you tell me that’s impossible, I’m going to suggest you just try to go on one of the bigger wagons.

@CDB - When I have so many scumreads, I don’t have room to doubt my townreads. There are posts Bulba made that I don’t see coming from scum.

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6) Bins, A50 was not anti-town. My addon. Maybe he was. Maybe not. This type of comment only furthers belief that you are scum trying to get us not to listen to A50 wanting you dead.

How is "I'm going to tunnel Bins" and not unvote pro-town from my POV?

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Given this game, my regular stance of "I think they're town, but I wouldn't cry if they died." for problematic town is not going to work. I strongly think Bins is town, and while I may have been in shrug mode before regarding a potential wagon and lynch, I've had time to think while away, and I think the way town wins this is by keeping those strong towning players alive. So vehemently against a Bins lynch. Same goes for Dunker and Radja. Fight me!

I get that this could just be me falling for a buddy, but the way this is worded comes across as a town opinion to me. PLEASE do not discredit me by going "Oh, you only like it because it's a townread on you". That's not it. I think the way he was trying to shape his reads to something more decisive was a town-post.

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tl;dr - Bulbazak looks like a buddy who didn't know how to treat the LLD slot once she made what he now says were disastrous, would-be-jettisoned-by-scumbuddies mistakes so instead did a lot of hemming and hawwing and objecting until finally feeling forced to lynch fitz.

Except that was never Bulba's position until my VCA indicated it might be a thing and relooked. Bulba stuck his neck out for LLD slot and reassessed. What makes Bulba scum as opposed to a villager who TRed both? If scum were jettisonning LLD slot, having Bulba defend and resign seems like he did not get the memo and makes him look villagery.

^
And pretty much this. I don't agree that Bulba's stance on LLD was a buddy move.

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WHY DONT YOU LYNCH OUT OF THE TWO PEOPLE YOU ARE SCUMREADING WHO TONS OF PEOPLE IN THE GAME ALSO SCUMREAD

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Could lynch:
UC Voyager
Aeronaut
CDB

Probscum:
Elena
T-Bone

Is this just for show?

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OK well since everyone seems to think my loyal gambit was completely NAI for Bins (including my teammates, thanks guys), if I can't get a lynch on Bulbazak I'm just lynching the most obvious partner Bins

I don't buy the self meta of "ScumBins busses here!" when it's 15p and hardbussing is almost suicide

CDB makes a case and all of a sudden you forget your own reads?

So much so you're doing this "pre-flip" association thing again? When I flip town you're probably still going to want to lynch Bulba.

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Things make a lot of sense if scum:
Bulbazak

There are 2 scum left.

Bulba is not some "missing piece" that makes everything make sense if he's scum.
confBias is really, gee

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I don't believe that LLD doesn't bus, for one thing

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Elena was on and then got OFF

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Actually, she hopped of LLD to go on the LLD counter wagon, YOU

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Yes, Elena went after LLD in defense to LLD going after her
in very very easy to pull of bussing
LLD went after her after being pressured, which is also something scum could do for bussing


Considering you are putting me as the Bulba scum partner here, you also lack a 3rd partner

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Scum isn't going to outright DEFEND their partner. That isn't how scum play. This is why Bulba isn't scum.

Also, I did the same thing, except I never voted LLD, because I genuinely had one I wanted more than the other. Because my reads weren't fake. She made it clear she was willing to bus, but she also made it clear it wasn't what she really wanted.

Elena's play with LLD is super scummy and her own REACTION to how she perceives her play with LLD as being "obvtown" is super super scummy.


You know my reads, I really don't have to repeat myself here. Elena should 100% be the lynch.

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For example,
if Elena flips scum...

Your logic would point to you as being the partner. Now you can see why you're wrong!

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If Elena flips town? T-Bone, probably. But I really am not looking at Elena flipping town.

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OK, good. Fresh content, hopefully. And y'all can stop complaining about it being impossible to lynch scum.

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more importantly did u receive maths fruit

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VOTE: Elena Fisher

Another Sketchy vote on Elena.

As if we needed another reason never to vote there.

... are you not also scumreading elena or did you forget

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Reads going into night of Eddie

i misunderstood what this meant

but listen to eddie

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I'm not gonna pretend I can gamesolve when it's possible LLD planned out going down like this.

which is why Elena is scummmmm


I'm just going to wait on the replacements because rn I'm feeling stubborn

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I don't see how you're greening Elena from this but I agree with Titus

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I doubt he'd hard bus as well, I think LLD would do that
rather I think he'd probably throw one as town and one as "sus"

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Great, we agree. Minus Bulbazak, I will lynch the other three before my name. Preferably Elena.

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Your tunnel on me makes no sense given you act like I'm lock scum for shockingly no reasoning that you've shown besides screaming I'm scum

You discrediting my scumread to you to this shallow is also extremely scummy. You act like you should be townread at this point but how is that even remotely possible? Your votes on LLD-slot read like a buddy who was uncertain if their teammate was going down or not, whilst not wanting to miss out from the towncred on the wagon. WHILE taking every opportunity to get off the wagon.

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Math, if you're town you were the LLD counter wagon and Elena was a big voice in this wagon and switched off the LLD wagon to hop on it. I'm really not sure how Elena comes out in a good possible here vote wise.

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Elena repeatedly argued that I was scum with LLD (along with you or A50 (IIRC?)), and stated willingness to lynch any of {Math, LLD, Bins}, giving support to whichever seemed more likely.

I think this is a scum play.

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I genuinely believed Titus was scum as well, but apparently that's not believable.


p-edit - I have been bringing up points and pointing to Keychain's posts this entire time because I agree. I don't think your reactions come from town and I really don't think you picked a town role PM. I also don't think you've been trying to solve the game, and you reads look like they're more to sway people and benefit yourself than actually find scum.

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Considering I have 3 scumreads, I think you should start playing the game and maybe I will get out of the tunnel. But until you actually do something, my read is definitely not changing because I think I am right.

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I'm tempted to ignore bins all together because of the way she's acting

^^

This sort of discredit is 100% a scum reaction (I do it all the time as scum). Please lynch Elena today and if I'm wrong I'll consider re-evaluating my stronger townreads. But until then, I'm not voting Bulba.

The fact you think I'm deathtunneling you shows how much you're out of touch with the game.


p-edit - Great conversation... again you bring no new information or reads to the table.

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haha stolen

But I still don't think Bulba looks like a buddy and I would much rather lynch three other people.

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Hey, Elena. I'm not mad or sad or pissed or anything. I'm pretty fine right now. If you consider me "impossible to work with" and "acting" in a certain un-playable way because I have a genuine SCUMREAD, you should back up and address the game.

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I feel stronger about this than I did D1. In Day 1, I was super wish-washy about my read on you. If you want me to "back up and reassess", you need to start giving me more scumreads of yours.

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I already addressed that I don't agree with his interpretation.

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I don't think scum make a paragraph long post about their partner. I don't think that happens. It's that specific way he defended that I think isn't a scum thing.

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If you want, I can go find examples of scum-Bulb defending his partners. Not to prove he's scum for it, but to prove he shouldn't just be townbinned for it.

Sure, go ahead. I'd love to see it.

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Better worded. I don't think Bulba ties himself to LLD like he did.

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Most important stuff is analyzing the scumflip

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I still have to hope A50 was vigged because jesus what a weird NK

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You to them
T-Bone: 90.84% (46.72%)


Sry bb it's not mutual

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VOTE: Titus

Skrew is calling y’all mean names
but seriously I’ll sum up what he’s saying later

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no to radja bad bad

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u and tbone gotta stop acting disappointed in meeeeee

actually tbone stopped hes ok now

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skrew says:

@dino
- how can u say "I don't have an agenda behind this dialogue ftr, I'm currently still evaluating where {Radja, T-Bone, Titus, Bulbazak} stand in my head." and less than an hour later say "and expecting me not to vote you when you're trying to gladiate a strong townread of mine" especially with the case here
- there is no reason to townread titus because she's being confused/stupid/moonlogic-y (and I agree with this, it's her thing) and he links viewtopic.php?f=56&t=58913 game to show that titus was getting wrongly townread for that very same reason
- something something replicates moonlogic easily as scum

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also imp says
- radja is blatantly town and his scumflip would shock him
- radja should be SHOCKED that people scumread him cause he thinks he should feel obvtown

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There is an option C. Namely you are wrong. Option D. We define slots differently.

We can agree to disagree on things. That's not incompetence.

Eddie's wagon was also RVS according to VCA.

did u just call the eddie wagon rvs



o boy

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too charismatic

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VOTE: Elena

back to the big boy lynch
I want a flip. We're going in circles


also does UCV get like modkilled if the team doesn't find replacement? :\

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meh, better than LYLO but still worse than a replacement

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ok

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That's the worst reaction ever lmfao so not town but OK

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Oh, didn't realize we had three days.

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You should change that N to an A cause it would suit you much better

Softing a PR? Really? That's not believable and I wouldn't like it from anyone.

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Also stop addressing me and whining that I'm tunneling you. Address the other people on your wagon - or are they tunneling to you too?

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You make it sound like you have something to claim that would change our minds.
But apparently not.

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Oh, c'mon. You're pretty much asking if you can claim. It's almost like saying "back off, because I have something to say."

Is it about time I claim? It seems the day will be ending in my lynch for the most part all my thoughts have been said anything more would just be a repeat.

You really think there's not hidden meaning that we're supposed to feel from reading this?

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Even if you flip town, I wouldn't know who to lynch in your reads because you have no scumreads other than Math (which is gone now, apparently) and your sheep onto the Bulba wagon. Giving just THAT POST... what the hell else is it supposed to say?

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Just because I have other scumreads doesn't mean you can't look elsewhere

Please, give me your best bet for scum. Because if it's just "Bulba", I need a little more.

Go ahead and claim, though. If you're claiming PR, we need time to pick another wagon.

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Basic mafia play Ms Bias

If you're town and I'm wrong about this read, trust me this isn't on my bias. You have done nothing since LLD flip "confirmed" you.

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25th says {elena LLD transcend}

WHERE WAS THIS UCV WHEN I NEEDED U

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So you claim VT?

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So you claim VT?

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(She's obviously the stubborn one here, hahaha)

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OH

I've pulled the "I'm ignoring them for the rest of the day" before as well


as scum.

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I love scum fruitvendor as a role.
Unable to shoot and vend at the same time.

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GL: You can tell Bins I apologise for not being here at all

This man is my favourite person


Does anyone ever feel like mafia is a relationship with 0 trust?
Because I want to be like “You’re great!” but I’m always afraid they’re a manipulative person deep down (or have a scum role PM)

anyone?
no?
ok

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Elena/Titus > Chesskid > xyzyyzyzyz/T-Bone > Mathdino/Bulba/Keychain/Dunker/Radja > Arch/CDB


@Math - Ohhhh. Damn. But now I feel like that’s there cause you’re scum................ and the fact you know that meta............ you’re lucky you get 100 townpoints cause GL

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I don’t doubt you’re fruit vendor
It’s town


Elena’s read on you is lazy sigh

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I think Elena is town and her entire wagon is town.

Weird


also f

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He’s confirmed the counterwagon to LLD.


I’m comfortable saying that now.

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Huh. Might vote Elena now (and I feel bad about that).

Could try chesskid or Titus or....sigh Radja

Radja is a good wagon tbh I am prod dodging unyil we get an acceotable wagon anyway

...
Titus is the only other wagon I’m interested in.

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I say flip this and lynch Titus tmmr (y)

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Elena is just a better flip imo for information.
There’s been a lot of people against lynching Elena

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Don’t leave them to a paraphrase.

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because I'm not in the habit of making mislynches on dumbies who arent scumbies

You’re voting Radja...

and that wagon isn’t going to happen in less than 2 days.

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Considering the lurkers aren’t that scummy I don’t agree
I meant more Radja isn’t happening because you aren’t going to get 5 more votes on him and off Elena

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I can’t look at things from another angle because I really don’t know if Elena is a town wagon or scum wagon
You can’t just treat Elena as 100% town

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the only other wagons I’d consider are you and Chesskid, so yeah

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My early VCA studies I've been working on Mafia Universe suggest that Elena has about an 80% chance of flipping town here.

skrew:
you mean like everyone else in the game??

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You realize I’m scumreading the slots that are hard defending the Elena wagon? Because I don’t see how it’s possible to defend the slot

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obvious mislynch = 20% scum
apparently

you can’t even decide your stance

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VOTE: Elena

Think this is a mislynch but I guess it's better than no lynch at all.

I do agree that this post bugs me if Elena flips town.

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If a vote from a buddy to another buddy is all it takes to get you to dismiss someone then damn
I think LLD and Elena were bussing. I think LLD’s vote on Elena was her continuing her theatre and I don’t see why she wouldn’t bus there
I think that’s totally possible


Also I am looking to end the day. We have one day left and we also have a few other lynches.

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VOTE: Elena

Think this is a mislynch but I guess it's better than no lynch at all.

I do agree that this post bugs me if Elena flips town.

+1 I agree with this, but his attitude sounds exactly like your attitude and he'll likely blame you for arguing no other lynch was possible when Elena flips town and argue we should fight each other, shutting down communication.

So assume for sake of argument that Elena is indeed town, who do you want to lynch.

If Elena is town I’d have to re-evaluate a lot yeah. I’d still look @ Chesskid but I agree Radja/CDB/Bulba look worse.

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oh and Keychain


Pretty much everyone

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I don’t believe she is flipping town. But no, I don’t know 100% and I’m trying to entertain Titus here.