Team Mafia 2018: Game 3 - Random GIFs Game Over

[Keychain]

I see nothing from Elena that makes me not want to lynch her. Two more votes.

1. I still don't see how that makes my slot conftown? Like how do I know scum!dino isn t trying to pocket the newcomer in a 100+ page game?

I can attest to the fact that Mathdino was squeezing UCV for Creature's reads as a way of sorting the slot, and the way he's reacting here in 2949 lines up with how I'd have expected him to react if UCV had posted that (and I think at a couple of points he actually did to some extent - I'll have a look). I don't see pocketing.

Math's summary - it obviously has bias which you can see mostly in the points regarding Math himself, but it otherwise seems fairly neutral. Though tbh I can't remember the events of the game in that much detail so who knows. The only thing I saw that I disagree with is chesskid being a "near universal townread", I wouldn't really go that far, but it's not really an important point.


(also VC 2.02 in 2307 has a JPG not a GIF and it's been bothering me for a while)

[T-Bone]

I believe your claim Math, I'm just pointing out the possibility of it falling apart because it is actually a scum claim.

[Mathdino]

GL: T-Bone's D2 entrance/progression is scummy. Bins/CDB are town. I like Keychain's 2143, will go read the LLD/Elena associations to check. [redacted] means Bulba is actually town.

Math: Wow good point ok.

GL: Up to page 100, sheep on the Elena wagon I think. Likely scum, no towntells. chesskid could be scum? Elena can be lynched just for page 104 tbh.

GL: Dunker's D2 progression is softening my townread of him. The more T-Bone works with you, the townier he feels.

Math: Weird, it's almost like not spending 25 consecutive posts shitting on me makes you less scummy

GL: FWIW Titus is probtown. People keep saying she's misrepping the gamestate/narrative. But I, as scum, once used that exact fact to try to get Titus lynched.

GL: Up to page 108, I'm calling Elena/chesskid

Math: Thanks for the Titus intel.

GL: You can tell Bins I apologise for not being here at all, because I would've told Math to sheep her and vote Elena a while ago. I support your 2742. Totally agree with Keychain's 2847

GL: Skimmed the rest, pretty much caught up.

Super town:
Bins
CDB
Radja
Titus
Keychain

Likely town:
Bulb
T-Bone

Don't let live to LyLo:
Archwing
Dunker
xyzzy

Scumteam call:
chesskid/Elena

*Fin*

So keep in mind GL hasn't been following the tournament as closely as KMD, NSG and I have. I'm ignoring the calls on Bulb/Archwing, but the rest seems fine. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure if he's suggesting scum is behind the Titus push (given that he claimed he was able to push Titus as scum) because that would be a point against T-Bone/Radja.

Otherwise, willing to rework xyzzy/chesskid into the lynch order based on this.

Last-minute-add-on: GL isn't saying scum are pushing Titus, just that the reasons for scumreading her are bad because she does that as town, and points again to RC's argument in 2847.

[xyzzy]

not a huge fan of how Elena handled that claim. if you're a townie and you think it might be time to claim, just... do it. all the rigamarole of asking other people if you should claim accomplishes very little beyond giving you a sense of how people will react based on what your claim is.

[Mathdino]

@chesskid

: I'd like to know exactly why Smocaine parked a vote on LLD all day.

[Elena Fisher]

hammer away I've said my piece
I have nothing more to say

[chesskid3]

@chesskid

: I'd like to know exactly why Smocaine parked a vote on LLD all day.

clearly he's just a god of mafia.

no clue. He hasnt posted in the PT in weeks, basically since offering to explain his reads to me and then not doing so

[chesskid3]

I don't want to lynch Elena so

[chesskid3]

Also the people lowkey shading me but not putting they money there js total ass. So if you're town and doing that can you stop so its easy to pick out the scum thanks

[Mathdino]

Ask Smocaine then. He's active onsite.

I'm strongly townreading you. GL is strongly scumreading you. My opinion trumps his end of the day

I also think GL thinks you purposefully replaced into a scumgame; I just informed him of the circumstances behind the swap with Smocaine.

[T-Bone]

vote: chesskid

What if I highkey shade you?

O.o

o.O

O.O

[chesskid3]

I mean? I post in the PT and he never posts so

pedit see that's fine but you were already sorted

[chesskid3]

I just informed him of the circumstances behind the swap with Smocaine.

[Bins]

I love scum fruitvendor as a role.
Unable to shoot and vend at the same time.

[Bins]

GL: You can tell Bins I apologise for not being here at all

This man is my favourite person


Does anyone ever feel like mafia is a relationship with 0 trust?
Because I want to be like “You’re great!” but I’m always afraid they’re a manipulative person deep down (or have a scum role PM)

anyone?
no?
ok

[Mathdino]

A single player may potentially perform up to two actions per night phase. This means that, for instance, a scum player may use an active ability AND kill a target player on the same night.

[Mathdino]

I'm a little miffed that no one has chosen to factcheck the mhsmith mod meta. He uses fruit vendors more than any other normal mod I've seen.

[Bins]

Elena/Titus > Chesskid > xyzyyzyzyz/T-Bone > Mathdino/Bulba/Keychain/Dunker/Radja > Arch/CDB


@Math - Ohhhh. Damn. But now I feel like that’s there cause you’re scum................ and the fact you know that meta............ you’re lucky you get 100 townpoints cause GL

[Mathdino]

You should know more than enough of my tryhardness by now to know that of course I would go check mod meta before openly gambiting with fruit vendor (after fruit vending the NK lol). I wouldn't have been as risky early D2 if mhsmith had any history of mafia fruit vendors. Like, the fact that I know that meta is NAI, but the meta itself is pretty solid.

My guess/hope is I'll be cleared sooner or later just based on balance. If and when we flip another mafia goon, you guys should be well aware that 2 goons + mafia fruit vendor vs 13 town with whatever PRs is definitely not balanced.

[Bins]

I don’t doubt you’re fruit vendor
It’s town


Elena’s read on you is lazy sigh

[Mathdino]

ughhh

I mean, holding course here is the right thing to do, especially since we already got a claim (and GL really really wants me to lynch), but I seriously just don't understand why scumElena hasn't provided a single counterwagon to herself all day.

But like
I'm getting a strong feeling this is town and that we need to just lynch her just to move the game forward.

I don't have any other good options really.

[T-Bone]

Could try chesskid or Titus or....sigh Radja

[Radja]

Gj GuiltyLion I like you.

Now let's all vote chesskid

[chesskid3]

yeah but no

[Mathdino]

Radja, how sure exactly is each of your teammates that chesskid is scum here?

Chesskid, same question to you regarding Radja.

I would be surprised if BOTH of your entire teams read each other this wrong.