In post 638, Postie wrote:I like how you criticise Llamarble for not sorting his reads the "right" way when you've commented on maybe two people's alignment this whole game.
Shade throw noted.
In post 640, LicketyQuickety wrote: In post 639, Thestatusquo wrote:town frequently changes opinions on people, sometimes rapidly. This is the mindset of someone trying to find scum. Scum players are the ones who tend to care about consistency of reads.
I've seen plenty of Scum utilize the "disconnect and confuse Town" approach.
Your hard defense of Llama is noted tho.
This is why I'm having such a difficult time with Marble. On one end, I see Marble as town, on the other end, something sits in the back of my head on Marble being scum, but the rational part says town over scum. Hence my conundrum and me wanting him to get his reads straight. He literally reaches out to me and I'm like, here's the stick, just do me a favor and get things straight so we can have a full length discussion on the why of it because of the ever shifting nature, he then (in his post that I have quoted), says he has his reads straight. I go from town, to scum, to lynchbaity, to whatever I get to when I finally catch up on page 33. My "crazy theory" that I talked about with GE was exactly that. Just a theory, a GAME THEORY. Thanks for reading (tm). But the more I sit down and try to rattle and rational it in my head, it's like.... "Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, MAYBE this is right?! No, it can't be because that would be too easy. Hang on, ripping what's left of my balding hair out."
In post 641, Llamarble wrote: In post 637, EddieFenix wrote:Get your act together. Get your reads in a lined up, orderly fashion, and we can chat. This day to day, whip lash, flip-a-zoo, shifting sands reads game isn't gonna keep flying with me when I have to keep figuring out who all you have as town and scum. If tomorrow is different AGAIN, I might need a table flip gif. Cause right now, this is where I am
I'm giving a complete readslist on a regular basis; my reads ARE in a lined up orderly fashion.
I can't help that my reads change as I read and reread the game.
This kind of post is why you're in the D1 lynchpool though.
Keeping careful track of everyones' reads is what scum do because they need to figure out what mislynch to pursue.
Why is "figuring out who all you have as town and scum" so important to you?
There's so much information in this game you can use to figure out who got which role PMs; by focusing on the information scum wants and not paying much attention to the things towns normally care about (you know, identifying and lynching scum), you are practically BEGGING us to lynch you.
Reads.
Reasons.
You can help it, mate. I've played scum with you and we both know our playstyles.
If that's the case, then where's your vote on me?! Literally, where the hell are the votes on me? If I am "BEGGING" to be lynched as you put it, why aren't people already voting me? I'll glady die if it gives the town information as to who the scum team is or who they could be based on my death and the n1 kill. I'm not trying to "figure out what mislynch to pursue", I want scum day 1 if I can have it. I'm a man with literally nothing to lose here except a vote and trying to be a logical voice for the town.
In post 652, Llamarble wrote:Mm, in the picture in my head they are town at least somewhat.
Why does this upset you?
We actually don't have much time left. I hope I can chunk time in tomorrow (30th) to try for a final solve. 3/15 is so hard
My subconscious is really concerned about Postie.
In post 657, Llamarble wrote:I don't care about that I just want to lynch correctly D1 before I go poof.
Eddie feels sorta lynchbaity; wking for gamma then pushing eddie feels like how I would play this as scum, but Postie has done a good job on word choices and stuff at a few points idk
Day bells are rining, are you listenin? In the game, scum is whistlin. A beautiful sight, we're having tonight, walkin around in Team Mafia 2018!!! (real talk: If that's the case, then let's unite and hold Postie's feet to the fire. Cowboy up, Marble, let's go!)
In post 660, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:
In post 637, EddieFenix wrote:Because I originally was voting GE, after a back and forth, I unvoted them. I'm also waiting for fresh blood/meat to get in here to sort some of those damn null spots I have in my reads. Marathon, CES.
Even in a marathon standing still is not very helpful. Pressuring people is pro-town, so why aren't you doing it? Why don't you make like your new avatar and go face?
Face may be the place, but I want to hit the mark.
664 Marble: Boom!! There you go. That's the Marble I've been looking for.
14:1, odds aren't in your favor mate if people want to gun for Postie, sir. Hate to be the realist in the room.
In post 672, Thestatusquo wrote:Yes, currently we have 11/15 players (including yourself!) not voting for someone useful. It's about that time of the day where you should start lobbying for your preferred kill and not just sitting back vote parking someone while doing nothing to advance the game. If you think I should be voting llamarble, sauce, convince me. Although, I would prefer you pick someone else because I am pretty firmly convinced he's town.
I want to lynch in {tchill, LQ} today. There are some number of people I'd be willing to switch to at DL.
Under no circumstances am I voting for {sauce, postie, Llamarble, lycanfire}
And that deadline list is....? Like, I get Sauce slot, Marble, and Lycanfire as NOPE! Not touching that. Tchill and LQ, I understand.
In post 679, Dunnstral wrote: In post 676, Sauce wrote:@GE the way he paraded her and judging by the fact that she wrote guides I expect mastina to be a good scumhunter, which means Eddie will be a good scumhunter if he's scum with her on his side.
I have thoughts on this, I want Eddie to have a chance to respond first
Right now, Mastina isn't at the top of her game TBH. Finally came back and dropped a few posts explaining what she's been going thru. She needs time to do some self-care, which is completely understandable imo. Bout the best I can do to explain her situation without breaking the site/game rules.
In post 723, Llamarble wrote:I still don't know what to make of Eddie saying Tchill "REEKS" of scum but showing no interest in pursuing that avenue.
I bet he'll randomly show up and hammer and cement himself as the D2 lynch or something.
In post 737, Llamarble wrote: In post 728, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Anyone interested in a last-minute actually good wagon on GE for that gross case in
#702?
Unvote, vote: Gamma Emerald
It was pretty dubious, wasn't it. Definitely made me doubt my townread on him and remove him from the upper tier townies.
I'm not as ready to welcome Davsto to the towny pile as TSQ, I think he would be about as good a competing wagon as GE.
Also I think really I was intending to discourage Eddie from just randomly hammering, as if he's town and does that, that sends town down a bad path.
If he's scum I doubt he'll get far anyway.
You don't have to discourage me, mate. I'm not stupid in the fact that hammering could EASILY send the town down a bad path. So, I'm gonna avoid doing something that stupid like the plague.
You're a "someone". Defend him if you have a bad feeling.
In post 769, Postie wrote:I have a readlist but I'd rather not share it for now because if I get nightkilled I don't want there to be ambiguity about why it happened. I don't want to give Eddie an out.
Alternatively, I'd be happy to share my reads once I've placed all my nulls because then I can die having done my job. Not that I'm saying my reads are likely to be super duper amazingly accurate or anything, but dying before having made a guess for the scumteam I can be happy with just sucks.
You're scared of 1 player "having an out," so you don't want to post a reads list? -sigh- Where is it.....
Piss poor reasoning for not giving a reads list bar your null placement argument. Come on, Postie! If you're gonna call ME scum for "fluffy IIoA" bullocks, at least bring a bigger gun to the table to fight with. Cause right now, it looks as if you have a squirt gun.
In post 773, Postie wrote: In post 770, Thestatusquo wrote:I have a readlist but I'd rather not share it for now because if I get nightkilled I don't want there to be ambiguity about why it happened.
this is at minimum very anti-town.
???
I want to be alive to push EddieFenix, becaue no one else is doing it. If I'm dead I at least want it to incriminate EddieFenix.
NO no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no NO. You LITERALLY want to be alive to push one player and if soley YOU are dead/die, you want to go to your grave and try and DRAG another player down with you?! This has GOT to be one of THE most anti-town posts I've seen this game. You need smacked with that logic stick 1000x over for even remotely THINKING that's a pro-town move.
In post 775, Postie wrote:My goal is to get EddieFenix lynched. If I give a readslist with other scumleans people can then argue that they were the reason I was killed. This obstructs my goal of getting EddieFenix lynched.
The issue YOU have, is convincing people of YOUR argument as to WHY I am scum because most people can take a look and toss it. And at this point, if you feel so strongly about that read of yours, come at me. Bring the full salvo of whatever pissy pants shenanigans you can bring. I'll gladly go to WAR/wall of words with you and bring my logic stick along with me.
In post 780, Postie wrote: In post 778, Thestatusquo wrote:in order for your logic to work from our pov
a) you have to be town
b) eddie has to be scum
c) people have to think you're such a gigantic threat to them that they nk you because of it.
d) one of your other scum leans has to be scummy enough in other ways that people push on them simply because you died.
e) that person has to be not scum.
do you see why I'm having trouble with this?
a) isn't a problem if I'm killed, and if I'm not then I can push EddieFenix's lynch, which is my goal. b) is very likely true. c) is what I'm trying to avoid, because it stops me fulfilling my goal. d) and e) can both easily happen, but don't have to, because someone can use a scumlean that is actually scum to defend EddieFenix by saying my death doesn't make him scum while also not pushing for that person to be lynched.
Glad I got my stick.......
A.) is a problem because IF you are town, you dying withholding your reads could send the town down a bad path that needs to be avoided like Marble pointed in my direction for when it came to tchill. (logic stick smack 1002)
B.) "Is very likely true".... Bring it. Bloody bring whatever salvo you have to the table at this point. I will grab this bull by the fucking horns and slam it to the dirt for how piss poor it is.
C.) HOW are you a THREAT?! If I'm apart of the scum team, there are WAY, WAY more threatening players in this game list I'd want dead because they're intelligent players before I'd remotely even blink in your direction. That's "scum elimination of strong threatening players 101".
D & E.) Logic and process of elimination LITERALLY get rid of that because scum tend to distance themselves in-game and co-ordinate how they're gonna do that in their daytalk PT. This isn't that hard to figure out (logic stick smack 1003).
In post 788, Llamarble wrote:Eddie is classically scummy. He was also classically scummy in the last game I played with him, where Chesskid vigged him and he flipped scum. He was also my buddy, actually, after my alignment changed after D1 (bonus: you can see how much more awesome I am before I become scum - half of my ISO is from the 2 days between when I replace in and when my alignment changes). AD was in that game, along with Chesskid. They think he's different here; I'm not sure I see it. It was
TBD mafia by the way.
And even THEN, I was still being town read by people. Chesskid SHOT me off my damn perch because I couldn't get to his callouts in that game, AND I blindsided my closest friend (team captain) who KNOWS my townie/scum game for that matter and even admitted that I snowballed him in the dead PT. I'd have probably had a dog in that fight had it not been for the recent life change at that time that are still on-going. Above all else, Marble, WE co-ordinated in that game, so you LITERALLY know my mindset when it comes to playing as scum. Here's me attempting to reach out to YOU at this point, mate. Take the time to sit back, reflect on that game a little bit, and we'll meet in the middle somehow.
The game where my team captain got me lynched and IMMEDIATELY regretted doing so because he knows how I play and was SUPER, DUPER paranoid for no good reason, lead the town terribly bar 1 lynch, and the town lost the game completely? The game where I practically NAILED the scum team in one of my posts before dying. The game BEFORE a life changing moment for me (logic stick smack 1004-06).
Postie wrote:
Llamarble already linked a scum game.
In post 802, Gamma Emerald wrote:I compared this to that, I feel like he's a bit more muted than that game but his play seems to be coming off similar in tone
You'll notice that in the town game he's quick to start asking questions, giving reads, and actively trying to sort the people he's unsure on. There's actual, obvious game-solving happening, unlike here and in the scum game Llamarble linked where his ISO is full of fluff and the odd token question that he doesn't pursue or use to reach a conclusion. Idk how to explain this further without doing a post by post analysis. Which I might do.
PLEASE PbPA. I love walls, just ask Gamma in my response to their GIANT. SPOILER.