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It’s a pretty generic readlist that can adapt to any wagon in the gamestate. Perfect for trying to read the table.
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because ur doing more voting mastina then you were voting hitoIn post 1279, Bitmap wrote:
Actually why are you asking me to go back to voting mastina when you're not even on the mastina wagon?In post 1272, Alisae wrote:Bit u should go back to voting mastina imo| here.GTKAS-
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the surveys are a complete joke hello?In post 1283, jjh927 wrote:If you mislynch Mastina it's gonna leave a real bad impression on your tiebreak scores| here.GTKAS-
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I'm not sure you would have to talk me into the read because I don't see itIn post 1284, Bitmap wrote:is my hito vote that bad?
but the vote itself ur not exactly doing anything with| here.GTKAS-
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that's your takeaway from that?In post 1301, Bitmap wrote:E was scum in Legends of the Hidden Speakeasy where e basically did a hard distance on eir scum buddies.| here.GTKAS-
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cuz man i rly don't like that theater stuff and only went along with it because it only made sense to go along with it.In post 1305, Bitmap wrote:
I was very upset after that game.In post 1303, Alisae wrote:
that's your takeaway from that?In post 1301, Bitmap wrote:E was scum in Legends of the Hidden Speakeasy where e basically did a hard distance on eir scum buddies.
I wanted to win that game w/o any theater imo| here.GTKAS-
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I try to keep an open mind at all stages of the game and I work better once I understand associations and the gamestate.In post 1307, Shadoweh wrote:I think you guys change your reads astoundingly quickly and often, I don't get it tbh. I don't really change my mind until actual info enters the game.
I'm like this a lot D1 where I just don't exactly know what to do?| here.GTKAS-
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that is some of that good shitIn post 1309, Bitmap wrote:
I may have skimmed that game for the most part.In post 1308, Alisae wrote:tho there is also stellaris where it was mostly me piloting tsuchinoko
Maybe you read that game?
I remember back when that game started I was way more mentally better then ever too so there's that.
Good fucking times| here.GTKAS-
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its okIn post 1322, Shadoweh wrote:tbh I'm indecisively paranoid about being wrong as town and don't want to admit that I have no idea what I'm doing| here.GTKAS-
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grr that didn't actually work I'll do the PMTYD let's play
but instead I'm obligated to post something else and unless RC takes back what he said then I will post it.
He knows exactly what I'm talking about| here.GTKAS-
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This is because, and to be completely honest with you, yes I have reads but I have no direction. Like I have reads but I am having trouble being proactive its just not happening.In post 1338, hitogoroshi wrote:alisae I guess I am weakening the town read of a bit, because every time I mention to eir that I'm willing to listen on reasons to vote mastina/jingle e's just kinda been...not caring? the whole point of the klick trust fall was to emphasize that I felt a proto-bloc being built and it feels like a step backwards that alisae is back on mastina once more without caring to resolve the massive chasm in our mastina reads at all. Like if Alisae is shot tonight and I live, shoudn't e be a little more worried how different the agendas we're pushing are? To a degree this is kinda academic because alisae still isn't remotely on my lynch list at all. just feel like it's worth saying.
I stalled and waited out because I wanted to give you a nice case but when I go back and think about it, maybe I was just shocked and thats why I had the reaction I did when I had it.
Like ummm
I had Jingle in my unsorted and put him in scum because it wasn't something anyone was really talking about
he then interacted with me and I think he's trying to solve.
Pops also likes Jingle atm and I trust her read more then mine.
mastina is like,
my team thinks she is definitely not town, I don't think she's town.| here.GTKAS-
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Let me grab my reads hito, lets talk, we've been meaning to have this discussion about Jingle and mastina, lets get it out of the way.
I need to stop being reactive and actually get back into the game because honestly I've been super out of it.| here.GTKAS-
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Shadoweh Chemist Mena Kerset Bitmap
Hito Klick
GE jjh ofhrz
mastina jingle
This was my last read list I remember posting
This is what mine currently looks like
Shadoweh Chemist Mena Kerset Bitmap Hito Klick
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ofhrz mastina jjh Reundo| here.GTKAS-
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Shadoweh seems to just be solving and I don't think she's really considering "who is the best person to push, who is the best person to defend" she seems kind of like she's just doing her own thing.
Chemist recongized this and thats why he's here for me.
Hito's feelings on me are what 100% within expectations if he is town. If he's scum, I don't feel like he would be concerned and he would just let me continue to not really do nothing.
Bitmap seems really genuine to me and I think his solving and play this game comes from his town game.
Mena's concern with Gamma I think comes from a place from town.
Kerset is getting beat up by scum and they just seem fine.
Reundo's reads to me come across as reads from scum. It looks like a readlist that was crafted from the perspective of "who should I defend" and "who should I push"
The only thing that makes me think my solve is wrong at this very moment is the fact that his scum are literally everyone else.
The rest are just PoE. I feel like a lot of the shit mastina is saying is bullshit and this is moreso the clash of beliefs of "She thinks Bitmap is scum, I don't, therefore I think she's scum."
Her play is just super different then how she's normally like. You can call this a gut feeling ig.
Like maybe this is just how she normally is and I'm just stupid but I really don't think so.
The mastina I remember in AvP was desperate to survive and I recognized that, but had to push it against my own will because Katsuki is a shit player.
She just doesn't feel the same. I feel like I should have been consider the thought of "Yep yep, thats town!mastina" by now and I genuinely haven't had a single moment where I thought "yep, yep, thats town!mastina"
ofrhz's posts I hardly remember but she's mostly here because of PoE
jjh I feel like is posting from the perspective of "who should I defend" and "who should I push"
pops also said that she feels like jjh is planning things steps in ahead and that if he's scum, he's probably winning.
Like everything I felt like he's pushed just seems super icky to me. Like he just knows too much.
If my reads are good atm, I think this is the read that is the most correct.
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oh I just noticed I didn't talk about Jingle.
I think Jingle is starting to increase in towiness for me.
I started noticing that he's looking and considering the motivations of other players and pops mentioned to me that she likes Jingle's agenda.
Pops specifically compared Jingle to jjh, jjh seemed to be more informed and in control of the gamestate where as Jingle is just doing the best he can to try to solve.| here.GTKAS-
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Hito what do you think about the gamestate?
I think the gamestate has been fairly slow and the only real person who has been posting whenever they can is jjh.
If anything, I feel like they are super not okay with the gamestate given they're trying to find something that will work.| here.GTKAS-
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well, there's a quiet gamestate that no one is really trying to proactively change.
And you are trying to proactively change it.
You do not like the gamestate, you tried to push on Bitmap that very clearly didn't work, but now you're pushing on Kerset and trying to see what will work what doesn't work.| here.GTKAS-
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Like, I would like to point out that there was activity when Bitmap and mastina were fighitng. People were fighting each other for Bitmap or Mastina, and the game was active when those 2 were fighting.
Those 2 are not fighting and the game isn't active.| here.GTKAS-
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your activity is still samish for both alignments nowadays no?In post 1358, jjh927 wrote:I don't like the Mastina wagon, sure
But you know my meta? Like, why is activity from me concerning to you at all?| here.GTKAS-
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Subject: Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps
Subject: Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good TreestumpsGreyICE wrote:I mean is he? What is he actually doing that is scummy? Shitposting? Okay, that's "NAI" as they say.
You know what? Lets just do the old CES tell. Lets see where the votes are:
Check the post numbers: 8,37,83,144,283,357,668,845,1168,1278,1594. Look at what was happening around those. Don't even read his other posts, just follow the vote. Where's his head at, what is he doing?
Going through these and applying the mindset to Big FourGreyICE wrote:Okay Alisae, I hate meta as much as anybody, but I went looking for this paragon of scumhunters, JJH:
viewtopic.php?t=80094&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go
Can you please walk me through what I should be looking for? Because how he interacted with people is different, because the people are different. And certainly he did more as the game developed. But I'm not seeing the large differences.
I'm well known for putting little stock in meta, but I'd love it if one of you can tell me what these damn differences are? What should I be looking for? What am I missing? This game, is as of now, 4 days old. In the town game I lynched, everything before this post was the first four days: viewtopic.php?p=11083459#p11083459
What was the extra stuff he did in that game? I am happy to vote with confirmed town, all the time, as long as there's at least a glimmer that the wagon makes sense. But I need the wagon to make sense to me. JJH's votes speak to me on a primal level. You could practically chart the course of his game. He:
- RVS pokes around at some people
- Votes Xofelf because it's any case is a good case when the game is a day old, it moves the game forward
- Votes Krazy because Krazy is producing zero content and he notices that.
- Votes UT because see above
- Votes Ari because lets face it, Aristophanes cheeriness has been FAKE AS FUCK and I'm sure I'm not the only one getting a little jumpy at that slot. Especially since I looked up this previous game and it TURNS OUT ARI WON THE WHOLE THING FOR PINE SOLO and lets face it, drafting the guy who won him the whole thing solo again is both cheeky and smart, and Pine is cheeky and smart.
- Votes Krazy because lets see, did Krazy add any content or do anything?
- Votes Ari because see above
- Votes Krazy because see above
- Votes LLD because he's slightly sold on the case, and voting Krazy is not getting results
- Votes Krazy because he isn't sold on the LLD wagon and Krazy is still producing zero content and he's not going to let that slide
Christ it's like Dennis the Menace dotted line trails here. I see exactly what he's doing.
I feel like you're voting is a lot more like your town gameplay then your scum gameplay
ok you can be town sure| here.GTKAS-
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I haven't read big four
I skimmed over it just now because I wanted to see if what GreyICE said would apply to here.
Just looking at that ISO now there's a big difference between your voting there and your voting here.| here.GTKAS-
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look you wanna dwell on this or would you like to chat about other things.
Look let's start with reads.
what does your list exactly look like, I know some of your reads like Bitmap Kerset scum mastina town but I don't have a grasp for all of them| here.GTKAS-
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Also what do you think of this?In post 1219, Bitmap wrote:
So RC thinks we can find scum but thinks the gamestate is at a point where giving reads is not a good time right now. He thinks when we or when anyone else catches scum, it'll be pretty easy for scum to push either my slot or mastina. This needs to be resolved before there can be any serious approach to hunting for scum.In post 1211, ofrhz wrote:
Did you get the chance to do this?In post 1064, Bitmap wrote:Legends of Hidden Speakeasy II
Also I have reads from NSG but it’s mixed in with RC since we were discussing about it in discord. I’ll paraphrase it later when I’m home from work.
Even if Mastina is town we should just lynch her if the 1v1 keeps going, and even if she's scum we would take the forced ceasefire so that we can actually gamesolve and as her pro-town option.
NSG has no intention of giving reads right now as well until this whole thing settles.| here.GTKAS-
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also what do you think of thisIn post 1268, Bitmap wrote:I think there's a good chance that scum is hard defending me because they know I'll flip green and am an easy lynch which gives them a vehicle to push jj and mastina to the wall and control game state.
But I really don't care anymore so... yeah.| here.GTKAS-
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pops wants to kill Kerset and considering her read on them is probably more fresh and reliable then mine, I'm going to follow it.
pops concerns with Kerset is that he hasn't spewed town to pops yet and she feels like she should be able to see a town!kerset rather easily.
We both agree that when Kerset said "let's sort bitmap while RC is asleep" that was towny, but Kerset doesn't seem solvy as pops was hoping he would be.
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