Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[Iconeum]

Ari is the better lynch if it's between skitter/Ari tho

It will help town focus/move on a lot better

[Iconeum]

iconeum do you agree with my assessment that skitter, like, really didn't seem like she was actually interested in voting me today

she wasn't, but you basicly made her vote you. Like, you made it really easy for her to do that.

The fact she doesn't wanna push Ari is a lot more interesting point to talk about, I can't understand how she can be calling Ari scum so much, but in the same breath is defending him and definitely not voting there.

[Iconeum]

On top of that I feel like her scumread on me wasn't honest, and that she tried pretty hard to keep that scumread on me until the duckling went all quack about it and forced her to townread me IIRC

[Iconeum]

One thing I'm worried about with Ari lynch is that it's off wagon.

[Iconeum]

@implo, I'm VLA weekend. Back on Monday

still available for a couple hours from now

[Iconeum]

do you agree that Ari is a better lynch then skitter?

[Iconeum]

oh man

if i'm right here and was right about ari yesterday

i can't wait to talk to cancel food in postgame

which part about your ari read?

You casing him heavily, or you saving him from the wagon?

[Iconeum]

[Iconeum]

umadbro?

[Iconeum]

sjLFJSDLKGJSLDK:SLFKDNasdfhgswearbg.as

I mean, I think this is actually town!indicative

like srsly

[Iconeum]

I challenge everyone to post at least 1 meme wrt this game during the weekend, so that my post-weekend ketchup is more enjoyable

thx

[Iconeum]

Ari is a good lynch

Skitter is presently who I would want to vote

this all flies out the window if I end up thinking Plum is scum

Please stop voting Ico *sniff*

[Iconeum]

If you could unilaterally lynch someone who would it be?

I'm actually really unsure about this.

Ari seems like the obv choice, I think him fliping scum leads us straight into scum numero 2 (Skitter). It will also allow certain players in my townblock (cough) to broaden their view of the game.

Gut tells me flopz, but i've been mistaken with these kinds of reads a whole bunch of times in the past.

[Iconeum]

tris looks really really bad, but that could be just non-investment in this game (those flopz and TW votes)

[Iconeum]

what? I think i've been more then supportive of your slot in this game lol

I do disagree with your scumread on RC.

And I think Plum is the go-to wagon for scum currently

[Iconeum]

[Iconeum]

@Ari

You were townreading me at 1 point yet i still haven't seen you reach out to me/try to work with me

Why's that?

[Iconeum]

I challenge everyone to post at least 1 meme wrt this game during the weekend, so that my post-weekend ketchup is more enjoyable

thx

I can't express how serious I am about this tho. It will literally help solve the game.

[Iconeum]

Rce we are not doing rc today

Rc we are not doing Rce today

[Iconeum]

Not caught up yet but math why aren't you considering Ari/RC as SvS?

u are seriously considering Ari/RC as SvS? And you wanna lynch RC over Ari?

I mean if you really wanna do this, sure I guess. Let's go

VOTE: RCE

[Iconeum]

Rce we are not doing rc today

Rc we are not doing Rce today

There's 1 scum in RC/RCE and I know which one it is but I'm mentally drained with OOG things. I'll get back around to this when I'm feeling better.

@mod

V/LA until Monday.

He strictly ignores my request/statement, which means RCE isn't trying to work with anyone. If RCE wants to have a 1v1 with RC, this is my way of showing him who's gonna win that duel. I just hope he's not doing a duck thing as well as town.

[Iconeum]

meh he can do what he wants but if he's town he shouldn't be trying to lynch RC today

VOTE: ari

[Iconeum]

meh he can do what he wants but if he's town he shouldn't be trying to lynch RC today

VOTE: ari

Ooooo I'm intrigued!

What has garnered this vote on me?

Also RCE was a good vote man, why change that? XD

you do realize that i was voting for you all this time?

[Iconeum]

So much scum hunting ari, ur blowing my mind

[Iconeum]

I'm having a hard time understanding how your scum read on plum disappeared just because of rep out

[Iconeum]

I Will hardcore witchhunt anyone who tries to lynch math this game including you rc

[Iconeum]

If theres anyone even closevto conftown itsvhim lol

[Iconeum]

Rc if you are gonna push Mathy my support of you Will end faster then theespeed of light

[Iconeum]

Rc scumcasing Matt is absolutely disgusting

[Iconeum]

Hello Ico, im mason

You know what I actually believe this lol

Who is your #1 scumread

Ehh, scumreads are hard to come by this game. I've got heaps of townreads tho. Scum is somewhere in like (skitter, ari, tris, flopz). RC was a big townread of mine until he went after Math. On D1 he did the same to the worst. I really don't know what to make of RC.

I like mathblade the most right now, with a grain of skitter

I don't really like skitter that much, mostly because of her reads progression on my slot. But it's not much, and I do like most of her other posts so yeah.

Would lynch Ari today.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: skitter

Really tempted to just go after RC who is now trying to openwolf imo by going after the townblock as you say

[Iconeum]

VOTE: skitter

Really tempted to just go after RC who is now trying to openwolf imo by going after the townblock as you say

It’s tempting but if RC is scum his end goal is to be lynched today so we need to extract as much out of the day if we decide RC is scum.

Plus there’s this whole if RC is scum either he’s trying to throw shade on a protective or create one where none exists to deep wolf with the “no kill” theory. Would be nice to sort which. Do you follow Ico?

I hear ya

[Iconeum]

whattup guys

[Iconeum]

fucking hell i a had a whole bunch of quotes and then browser said nope

[Iconeum]

i demand you townread me right now

[Iconeum]

Gladiate: RC

[Iconeum]

UNVOTE: Skitter

I don't really scumread skitter. I voted their in support of Math, who wanted to sort there.

[Iconeum]

RC you have no idea how bad this urge to just full yolo tunnel you right now is

[Iconeum]

But i actually do wanna win this game, so here we are

[Iconeum]

I think you know i'm not scum this game, and town!RC is never going to scumread me here

so

Are you just salty about my recent posting or are you genuinly scumreading me?

[Iconeum]

My team is pushing me to townread Ari btw

[Iconeum]

the only lurking slot i can think of is shos?

[Iconeum]

It also answers a lot of questions about the D2 gamestate if the lurkers are scum.

My thoughts about this game is pretty much that town is eating itself so yeah

[Iconeum]

I'm not entirely sure it's scummy, mind you. But it's objectively weird. I dunno what to do about it.

I think I'm just second-guessing myself tbh. I don't really think you're scum but I'm scared that you somehow might be.

I mean

would lynch

10000000000% of the time

[Iconeum]

don't think saudude is scum

[Iconeum]

Tris looked ugly tho, I really disliked that TW vote

[Iconeum]

RC your lynch of TW was disgusting

your twisting on Math was disgusting

you started an important wagon on Ari, that you dismantled yourself when it got hot

and now you wanna go solve the game by lynching every single inactive slot and think that wins the game?

[Iconeum]

'I'm RC i'm the greatest scumhunter to ever walk the earth, if we lynch all the inactive slots we win the game'

how does that even make sense

[Iconeum]

You know what

I think RC is actually just scum

His Ari wagon was bad
His lynching of TW was terrible
Him going after nothing but inactives at this point makes no sense
And I have a very strong feeling he's just backing up from me/math now that he realizes he can't break the townblock, which very much feels like his intention this weekend

[Iconeum]

VOTE: RC

[Iconeum]

there's a reason it's called lynchbait ya know

[Iconeum]

Oh? Are you saying duck actually had reasons to scumread you now? That's not how you felt IIRC

[Iconeum]

Literally, this is the exact same reason Duck went after me D1 because I said that basically I townread everyone who was posting and thought that scum were in the inactives.

You literally said that TW was trying policy lynching you

This isn't a policy lynch

[Iconeum]

[Iconeum]

When/if I flip town, lynch Mathblade then the lurker pile that I listed.

If you actually flip town, I will consider revisiting my Math read

[Iconeum]

No actually, like even a cop inno on MathBlade doesn't change the fact that the only path to victory in this game is to remove them from play because they're systematically destroying town's ability to lynch scum.

You miswrote RadiantCowbells

[Iconeum]

I discourage dumb people from putting the thread in a direction that has a 21% winrate.

[Iconeum]

I mean, I still think it's plausible the 2 of you are SvS, I just think that Shos is the buddy and it's pretty easy to deal with later lol

[Iconeum]

This game has just been something else from the get go.

[Iconeum]

I thought I was the team that didn't care about winning TM, heh.

[Iconeum]

I worship the fun rate.

[Iconeum]

Your problem is that you think that you deserve to play town leader when you're a bad player.Win rate wouldn't come into play if you wouldn't try to say that everyone must follow your reads and lynch your scumreads.

[Iconeum]

Is losing games for no reason fun?

#MakeThisGameGreatAgain

We are going to do 2 things by lynching you

1)Making this game great again
2)Lynching scum

[Iconeum]

I mean. I have an 80%+ winrate and it's easy to see why. I don't believe you because you are bad at the game and that's really obvious to everyone here besides you.

This game is a lot more fun if everyone would just answer RC with gifs

[Iconeum]

When/if I flip town, lynch Mathblade then the lurker pile that I listed.

If you actually flip town, I will consider revisiting my Math read

everyone should read this because it's important

[Iconeum]

Assuming you're both town, why would scum have any incentive to post when they can just count on Math making another absurd push on town that makes it impossible to lynch Shos

Literally the ONLY player this game that's succesfully lynched a town is YOU

[Iconeum]

Shade? I'm pointing out that everyone's been assuming you were a protective with an inno on Mathblade when that's not true and it was the main reason to townread both of you.

sure i'm a protective

better tell your team to come kill me

[Iconeum]

I don't think that it's a terrible thing to do to be open about the fact that a player is not a good player.I have said nothing negative about Math as a human being. I have said that he is a shitty mafia player. He is a shitty mafia player. I won't apologize for pointing it out when it's relevant.

[Iconeum]

And Math has only not successfully lynched town because I've gone out of my way to prevent him from lynching Town.

Preventing him from lynching town while you lynched town

gottit

[Iconeum]

And, uh, I have had Mathblade blacklisted since 2016. Mathblade knows this. Mathblade still follows me into games on secret alts. I am holding no punches.
I have gone out of my way to be nice to Skitter30.

Literally the ONLY player this game that's succesfully lynched a town is YOU

Sample size: 1.

Sample size from Math: 0.

[Iconeum]

Like Mathblade has actually done some awful shit to me that you're not aware of so I would advise you hold your tongue and not act like he's the victim.

This isn't about any potential feud between you 2. I couldn't care less about that. I'm trying to win this game.

You are objectively scum and i'm very sorry I didn't step in harder to defend TW when I had the chance.

[Iconeum]

Math has also done nothing to provoke you this game, it's quite the opposite.

Your intentional attempts at triggering him these past few pages should be below you as a player.

[Iconeum]

It's quite telling that instead of trying to defend yourself you chose to attack Math on a personal level.

[Iconeum]

Do you think TW is a capable player, good enough to lead town to a win?

[Iconeum]

This isn't about Mathblade. This is about the game.This is about the fact that it's, like, essentially impossible to win a game with Mathblade without either policy lynching them or quarantining them and ignoring their reads.

You made this about him. I'm calling you out as scum. Your only rethoric is pointed at how bad of a player Math supposedly is.
You are turning it specifically away from the game itself.

If you honestly believe that for you to win you have to get rid of Math, you would have done so on D1.

[Iconeum]

You know what

I think RC is actually just scum

His Ari wagon was bad
His lynching of TW was terrible
Him going after nothing but inactives at this point makes no sense
And I have a very strong feeling he's just backing up from me/math now that he realizes he can't break the townblock, which very much feels like his intention this weekend

Maybe you didn't read this.

Let me expand:

You pushed Ari up until close to L-1 and when the heat really turned on you derailed it yourself, destroying much of the gamestate while at it.

You pushed TW for trying to policy lynch you, supposedly with backup from your team. 'confscum' you called him. Taking complete control over the gamestate and took out one of the most valuable town day-assets we have.

You were trying to break the townblock by going after Math and me 'why was i even townreading there' 'it's so Obvious omg'
When that failed you turned your attention to an 'obvious scum solve' in ALL of the inactives.


I really don't see you trying to win this game as town here, hence you must be scum.

[Iconeum]

Reading your 4732, RC, how can you accept that Ari was townreading you all that time?

[Iconeum]

And ffs, during the actual 1v1 with TW you did your very best to downplay his push on you as a PL. Nothing more. Now suddenly you are accepting that he did in fact have reasons?

[Iconeum]

I think it's... really obvious that I'm town

Give me the TLDR on why you think you should be townread?

[Iconeum]

Iconeum, my turn: what's your Ari read?

Like I said, my team has been pushing me to townread Ari. I'm not really townreading him, specifically disliking his apparent lack of solving

I don't think you and him are S/S because your interactions don't really make sense to me then. But what do I know

[Iconeum]

If it came down to deadline and everyone was rushing for a lynch, I wouldn't mind Ari being the lynch.

[Iconeum]

Honestly I think my scumreads are lacking this game.

If you flip scum then we lynch Flopz tomorrow tho

[Iconeum]

+chance you guys are chilling in a different PT

[Iconeum]

Why Flopz is scum:

786 is his big opening post, where he clearly has reads and calls some scumreads, including Ari 'BIG scumread'.
In 796 he responds to the heat that 786 caused. 'It wasn't an attempt at scumhunting'. 'just showing i was alive and playing'.
That's not a townie mindset, and it's him literally trying to crawl under from a bad post. It's downplaying what he wrote. Clearly more occupied with how the game perceives him then actually solving at this point.

1170 is full of AtE, and unwarranted. He made scummy posts, he took heat for it, but the 'game is treating him unfairly'. During his entire ISO he can't stop ranting about terrible gamestate and such, but never bothers to actually do anything about it. Looks like he wants to draw attention to toxicity (real or not), instead of his actual reads.

1188 blatant misrep

1272 you just need to read and see the fencesitting yourself. Maths and RCE in this post especially ucky.
In one of his next posts he says he's extremely low experienced, which fuels my thought that this big post of his was coached.

3434 'The lack of NK was quite a shock to me and I'm not really sure how to feel about that'. How does this come from town? The entire post feels fabricated.

3439 more fake feelings. ' I did agree that Duck was scum which was why I was very surprised when he turned out to be not scum.' It's such a generic statement I'm having trouble believing it's real.

3441 lacks a thoughts process wrt to RC. Interesting tho.

3446 more of the same. That's just not how town thinks.

3448 he pretty much says he thinks Ari made the gamestate terrible. Ehhhh.


IF THIS FLIPS SCUM, ARI AND RC ARE TOWN DESPITE ANYTHING I MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE SAID PREVIOUSLY

[Iconeum]

throw it on the pile

[Iconeum]

I think flopz is actually a good lynch tho.

If RC is town, he should have little problem lynching there bc it's in his pool. This further sorts both Ari and RC.
If flopz flips town, we don't lose a whole lot (sorry flopz, but ur not really contributing a whole lot at this point).

Wagoning flopz will force players to take a stance on a slot that hasn't been talked about a whole lot.

And my gut tells me RC is actually town fml, despite brainz going 'no Ico! Lynch RC!'

[Iconeum]

VOTE: flopz

[Iconeum]

Don't know how to put this, but like, this might be the wagon that brings town back together?

[Iconeum]

Can we just wagon shos already ???
I've been trying for like five irl days but we keep getting distracted with all of this bickering and i'm baffled that i keep pushing it and literally nobody townreads him but that i cant get this above like three votes

Like my wagon happened easier than this one ....

Also i no longer tr math but i want to push somewhelse else rn that isnt me/math/rc/ari because how else are we going to make the quiet people do things, as i've also been saying for like 5 irl days

@math @ ico
Can you two articulare why you either :
A) townread shos
B) dont want to wagon him

Because as far as i'm aware you've done neither but keep sidestepping this wagon each time i've tried to revive it

i've literally not seen (much?) AI stuff from either plum nor shos

so really really null on the slot

I'll help you push it tho

VOTE: shos

[Iconeum]

Also, Math got forced into a game with RC because he replaced in, not because the system failed and not because RC is on that many blacklists (I dont know that he is or isnt, but assuming so based on bad data is simply bad.)

i was refering to myself there, not math.

gonna be very v/la for the next ~40hrs
see y'all in couple days
VOTE: unvote

Please come back

also again, to clarify, i find the notion that scum purposefully did not nk last night to be ridiculous

I know I'm out of context but this really does not seem ridiculous. After such a messy D1, in a normal game where scum were probably not in focus (as others have took the spotlight heavily) no-kill is quite a legit choice

Like, do you WANT to be lynched? I can't believe you are saying that with a straight face. I could (barely) accept that coming from RC's ego, but this? Nah.

--anyway--

I've come to notice the xtomx has literally been playing the game since the beginning and has done jack shit, and when he did, it felt bad. This also fits with what my team thought, although I've come to this realization before reading what they wrote.
I don't necessarily agree with everything they say and obviously cannot defend the arguments without forcing them into this game which is not nice so I'm gonna keep those thoughts in the team PT for the while. Should anyone give intent to hammer me I'll post those before I die.

....which brings us to - I've noticed that I've been put in L-1 somewhere? I shall see that

Extremely weak attempt to divert wagon to low-hanging fruit.

can you paraphrase all the reads your team has given you? also can you explain how you didn't make this game at all a priority until you were at L-2

I can and I literaly just said that I won't If I get under intent to hammer I will

And here we have an actual scumclaim. It's not like you needed to claim without more pressure, the game asked for your (team) reads and you don't wanna provide those? You might as well say you are still in the process of fabricating them lol

if you're in a game of mafia scum and post in the speakeasy you're confirmed maf

holy shit is this what's missing in my game? why didn't you just tell me the first time we played together and saved me all that trouble! wtf

[Iconeum]

Spoiler: an elk contemplating eternity

Vote Count 2.8

shos

(5): skitter30, Aristophanes, Iconeum, RCEnigma, teacher

RadiantCowbells

(2): MathBlade, Saudade

Aristophanes

(1): Flopz

Iconeum

(1): shos

Not voting (3): Bellaphant, Xtoxm, RadiantCowbells

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to 4 PM PST on January 31st, in (expired on 2020-01-31 20:00:00).

Flopz has been prodded; as he is V/LA I will not immediately replace him if the prod is not answered.

I'm also a big fan of the current players on shos wagon btw, it looks pretty townie to me

[Iconeum]

all scum in (shos/RC/flopz/Xtoxm/saud) seems plausible actually

[Iconeum]

I agree.

This can wait, I just don't want to see Shos hammered anytime soon since I'd like to do a bit more with the day and obviously get NSG's thoughts.

Feel better Skitter <3

I mean no disrespect to either you or NSG, RC. But IIRC you were both completely wrong on TW, which given both of your reputations and win rates, is either extremely bad luck or you are just scum.

Forgive me that I'm not gonna use those reads as the holy bible this game.

[Iconeum]

However seeing how hard Saudude is pushing against shos lynch and trying to divert onto RC, I'm really unsure about this

Shos is lining up to be a really good lynch tho

[Iconeum]

Scum!shos would also clear Skitter for me, which honestly was concerning me a little still.

You can call me scum for voting with someone I suspect, but it's obvious that not all of my scumreads can actually be scum.

In the event of a townflip, I think RC/skitter scumteam is actually a pretty decent guess.

But let's not go there before we actually have a flip shall we

[Iconeum]

#roadto200

[Iconeum]

i'm sorry i'm bored

[Iconeum]

surely you won't mind

[Iconeum]

[Iconeum]

The sad part is I'm probably gonna sleep right thru #roadto200 :s

[Iconeum]

I might wake up closer to 300 then 200 if certain players wake up

[Iconeum]

I feel a lot lightheartedener (?) now that we caught shos

[Iconeum]

It's literally the first slot that i'm like 'yeah, this is actually gonna flip scum' on

[Iconeum]

saud come back when sober

[Iconeum]

page 197 boyz

remember that

gonna be the best page in the whole game

[Iconeum]

You've already embaressed yourself twice do you reaaaaaallllyyy want to make a 3rd

i really do need to make a turd yes

[Iconeum]

brb

[Iconeum]

That was actually thoroughly pleasing spam.

What about my song parodies

I enjoyed those.

Appreciated Ari's meme's as well. He was like the only one

[Iconeum]

Ico I dont understand why you are voting with RC when you've said that you were going to vote him???

Shh I'm scum I really need shos to die

[Iconeum]

Is it possible TW+Ari is TvT? I don’t think it is just sanity check please.

i don't think so

Thanks. Now let’s wait and hope Ari can be lynched and this day ends.

Pedit: Or we can give a replacement if one is needed overnight to read and not be dropped into pressure.

Or we could throw the replacement into the fire!

Then Shos replaces in...

This cannot be coincidence.

Holy Shit! XD XD

Wtf how did I miss this

[Iconeum]

I need more wine

[Iconeum]

this game is so annoying
no one is listening to me

shuttt up we taking about wine here

[Iconeum]

this game is so annoying
no one is listening to me

shuttt up we taking about wine here

Thank!

Red wine, right?
I'm a Cab Sauv guy myself.

oh yesss

Also appreciative of Syrah, among others

[Iconeum]

shos bro i'm gonna read that soober ok tomorro

[Iconeum]

Heeeeere weee go. This is going to be huge so pardon the shortcuts.

1. Gamma:
Has read the first twenty pages because when the arguing gets to the maximum, the scum will hide easily, so best trust your gut.
Mathblade seems town because there is no scum motivation for his 51
RCE is nad
ICO seems town but it's not something that scum cannot pretend
xtomx is annoying but townie
RC seems that at the begining he is self-concerned but later his aggressiveness is NAI
teacher is probtown gut

2. hito
skitter obvtown but not really
math/RC was TvT that scum were letting hhappen because it makes the game awful
agrees with plum on flopz bad catchup.
Math's reads have cogdis
Something around post ~840 made him think that flips and ari were going scum theater trying to fight each other as bad as possible for when one dies
wanted plum to fight flopz on that but without mentioning ari by name in order to watch ari's response and see if the theory holds. If ari responded with a vote based on what plum said then go balls to the walls agains ari.
Plum's 943 is good.
RC's 876 is good because RCE's 286 is super bad according to his exp, but flopz should still be kept in focus
au revoiristophanes is hilarious LAWL
asked plum to go balls to the walls after reading 2516 and lynch xtomx with fire. There's a whole lot of talk here about this.
We should ask RC if tom is fighting ari's wagon indirectly, but if RC doesn't join the thought then it might allow tom to continue hard lurking without consequences. But then with 2531 it is much better to do that. Also after 2550 because chainsaw chainsaw chainsaw.
Something made him think that skitter is probtown
He didn't know something about 2605 but 2614 answers
looooong streak of yelling at RC
lol at math yelling at RC about how he should act like a grownup
Plum asked what they thought on 3069. Hito thought that if there isn't a vote with a post of that kind then it is completely useless. ari and xtomx are probably buddies.
disagreement between plum and hito about tw being buddy of ari
thought that it doesn't make much sense that tw is scum because nobody is profiting of the situation. more bla bla bla.
ari/xtomx are nottt quiiiiite good buddy material


ok that's a good summary I guess of page 1 out of 3

Dis is many things

Huge not one of them

[Iconeum]

The only gamestate that makes any sense to me is the one where Sau and Math are both scum.

VOTE: math

are you guys actually serious right now with this discussion

[Iconeum]

forgot what i just quoted that's irrelevant to what i just said

[Iconeum]

ok since everyone and their mother is insisting that we stop throwing shade at scum but are just handing doc!Ico on a platter to them

I hardclaim a protective

Math is inno

We are lynching shos today. If that flips scum, RC is next.

[Iconeum]

I softed protective when I went against RC on D1 saying I thought it was incredibly unlikely he would be NK'd. At that time I thought to be protecting him. By the end of D1, I considered Math was the most likely NK.

Anyone saying after this that scum DELIBERATELY NK'd is either drunk or scum

[Iconeum]

And thank you and I am sorry if my signal backs were too obvious.

I loved your signal backs lol. Also at a point I thought RC caught on, but he's acting all silly about it. I think he will probs flip scum yeah, but most likely WITH shos tho

[Iconeum]

At this point I'm extremely unwilling to lynch outside of shos/RC

[Iconeum]

How about we town block this shit

Literally all i've been doing today...

[Iconeum]

Actually i'll probably end up lynching RC today anyway

he was wrong on duck, terrible lynch
he's obviously wrong on math and my own push today

and everyone i asked how to spot scum!RC: if he's lynching townies

[Iconeum]

Shos lynch does clear Skitter completely, and it heavily implicates scum!RC. So it looks like a better lynch but ya'll get a very big say in this

[Iconeum]

I don't feel really bad for being outed D2, already managed a save and having 2 conftown might actually work. Especially on math slot.

In case scum NK'd me I could see scum!RC claiming this thread and spewing math was impossible to be my target lol

[Iconeum]

Shos lynch does clear Skitter completely, and it heavily implicates scum!RC. So it looks like a better lynch but ya'll get a very big say in this

Why do you say this?

Scum working to bus a useless slot is NAI?

Sure, but what's the point?

Why does scum!skitter spend an entire day bussing? And like actively going for the lynch, not just posterity. With a whole bunch of potential mislynches out there, and no NK, that doesn't make much sense.

[Iconeum]

I don't feel really bad for being outed D2, already managed a save and having 2 conftown might actually work. Especially on math slot.

In case scum NK'd me I could see scum!RC claiming this thread and spewing math was impossible to be my target lol

Why do you think scum would kill me?

I mean that if I didn't hardclaim you as my N1 target, RC would be able to turn this thread upside down to disprove any loafs of bread I left on you being my N1

[Iconeum]

guys i'm struck by a concussion

if you need anything from me i'll try to keep up

Why don't you continue arguing about who's actually a game-solving lynch here

my suggestion still stands at shos

high scum equity, if flip scum then you lynch RC next, skitter is p much conftown at that point

if RC also flips scum, lynch flopz, call gg, pat shoulders

If shos is NOT scum, then i don't have a fucking clue

[Iconeum]

Are you so sure that I'm scum that you're willing to agree protective goes on Skitter and you sheep my townblock for the duration of the game because if you agree to those conditions I'll selfvote.

Plz don't self vote in any case unless scum. I'm willing to talk about who my protection goes to, and skitter is up there on the list.

It doesn't even matter if you have bad reads in mafia as long as you have some perspective on it and don't try to assert your individual will over everyone. There's plenty of like meme players who do ok by relying on teamwork and townblocking as opposed to trying to bludgeon everyone into agreeing with their scumreads.

The problem with Math is that no one really agrees that I'm scum or that Skitter was scum or that Ari was scum but he attempted to bludgeon people into supporting those wagons. He voted me at start of day because I "wasn't worth keeping alive" because I wouldn't vote Ari with him.

If Math had just died town would be in a much better place tbh

You’re so close to self awareness if you’re town RC. So fucking close like replace Ari with TW.

And I am pretty sure Saude and RCE and Ico aren’t nobody RC.

You need to stop. I have been doing my damndest to townblock calling out townreads when I had them vs scum and only pushing Ari when Titus and BB and myself agreed.

Right now the three of us are in agreement RC has to go,

I am not doing unilateral math.

µ

Math, please don't misrep me here. I'm not against an RC lynch, but I sure as hell don't want him gone

today

. I'm a lot more on the fence about RC then you present here.

Cohesion happens the moment you stop trying to lynch a town investigative. Is that something you'll do in the interest of making the game non toxic?

Talking about cohesion RC, can you please vote shos?

Like,tell someone to fuck off, that's gine. Telling someone they're a fucking idiot, it's a stretch but I get it especially in some situations. Repeating that someone is bad, throwing a stat in their face repeatedly, quoting a post 20 times in your post and then repeating a vote on them 50 times in the next post, something something mental illness, etc

none of that is acceptable and all of it is toxic.

I am all for less toxicity in mafia. Heck I am all for NO TOXICITY in mafia.
I know some will always occur and that's manageable. The levels here get out of control really fast though and I've almost reported a few posts, deciding not to because I mean, what good does that do really.

Like I get hat we can't just all live in a happy fun time world but I will fight against this shit whenever I can.

+1 this.

What are scum teams you’re thinking without RC and with?

With RC is tough tbh because I really don't see that as a likely possibility and as noted will have to rethink fuckloads of this game if he does flip scum at some point.

I suppose it would have to be skitter and uh....Iunno on a third. Teacher comes to mind for some reason but it could easily just be a lurker at that point.

Without RC and assuming claims are legit, it has to be within {shos, Xtoxm, Bella, Flopz}
and I think Bella is most likely town there.

I have working townreads on almost every other player not within that pool and I will only be looking at lynching within it so long as my RC townread stands.

Ari is really growing town on me

@Ari Here is my link for shos and why hyperactivity is murder for him

viewtopic.php?p=9247749#p9247749

I don’t think shos is scum.

Pedit @RC you have so many townreads you only have one scumread. That’s lynch who you say and I townread Saud.

Cooperation involves discussion of saying why give and take. You aren’t. You don’t explain why my reasons are bad and others see it. Xtom even directly agreed when I asked for it in thread.

Wait I am not supposed to respond to your posts Damn that being so addicting

Math, plain and simple. You are most likely wrong about shos. By the end of this day, if you wanna have town cohesion, you will most likely need to vote shos. Trust me.

Townreads

RcE
Skitter
Math
Ico
Flopz
Bella
Ari

Middle
RC
Teacher

Should all die soon and preferably in this order
Saudade
Shos
Xtoxm

If shos is this low to you, RC, you should have no trouble voting there right now. Look at the current votes on shos. Pretty much your entire town. Anyone want town cohesion?

i think he's kinda easy to read when he gets into a semi-serious phase and i kinda don't want to dismantle the shos wagon and i sr math more

but part of the math read was kinda like ~teamreading him with ico~ but if he thought ico protected him and thought ico was signaling him to that effect that probably explains some of the weirdness there
and that would be a weird thing to do as partners, i think

i'm a little scared that if i unvote shos we'll have let him get off for the team catchup thing and that rebuilding that will be devilishly hard
like i'm not sure how it just kinda collapsed ?

Specifically this one here.

Skitter says they scumread me more after the protective claim but is acting like they want Shos more. This is very odd. She didn’t go into why and shaded her own thoughts just a bit later.

It’s reaaaaally bad.

You are quoting something that REALLY makes me townread skitter. I think ur wrong about skitter as well. It's not because you are conftown that you are correct in your reads as well. Please consider working with skitter here.

Spoiler: the alkali elves

Vote Count 2.11

shos

(4): skitter30, Aristophanes, Iconeum, Flopz

RadiantCowbells

(3): MathBlade, Saudade, RCEnigma

Iconeum

(1): shos

Saudade

(1): RadiantCowbells

Not voting (3): Bellaphant, Xtoxm, teacher

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to 4 PM PST on January 31st, in (expired on 2020-01-31 20:00:00).

I think shos is scum, I only dislike the flopz vote there. But I could def be wrong about him I guess. Also bussing is a thing?

Ya'll are talkking about town cohesion being destroyed BUT I SEE NO ONE TRYING TO BRING TOWN TOGETHER. SHOS IS THE LYNCH WHERE YOU HAVE THE POSSIBILITY TO GET TOWN TOGETHER.

@RC, vote shos. You have it in your bottom 3. Should be no problem. Most of your townreads are on wagon as well. EZ.
@Math, vote shos. I know you don't scumread there, but pretty much the entire townblock IS. If you go against this you basicly are working against townblock. If we are all mistaken, there will be plenty of us left alive tomorrow to revisit everything.

[Iconeum]

#2yearsofmafiascum

#haventlearnedathing:D

[Iconeum]

RcCola im scumreading you because you are going for the easypeasy afk players wbo still havent caught on, and lets be honest its impossible to catch up in any meaningful way unless you are cleverv(like me) and just ignore everything

This is a misrep of RC and i don't like it. RC did many things this game, but only going after easypeasy afk players is definitely not one of them lol

I disregard the shos wagon completely and so should you because the guy havent posted anything besides an attempt to catch up

Well its impossible to catch up in shitfest, and theres only one player causing this shitfest.
I can only imagine what you did to my poor duck yesterday you filthy dress in black kill for money cow

This is also wrong. Shos posted enough crap to be lynched on the spot. His predecessor wasn't exactly spectacular either.

[Iconeum]

Let me be perfectly clear

I 100% believe shos should be the lynch today

[Iconeum]

If somehow we get Saudade, I also would ask Ico to not be on me because o happy dagger this is thy sheath there rust and let me die

There is exactly 0 % chance I amygoing to protect you

For a bunch of reasons.

[Iconeum]

Gonna be 50 50 on sitter or math

[Iconeum]

If shos flips scum, skitter is in the 50 50
If shos towwn ill consider someone else like Bella or rce

[Iconeum]

You know what I actually believe scum rc doesn't NK math

[Iconeum]

Shos and Saud make sense, but Saud has a history of hard bussing so Saud and rc are possible kek

[Iconeum]

VOTE: saudude

[Iconeum]

can we please lynch someone so scum can kill me already

[Iconeum]

Ico thoughts

Not caught up st all

Lynch Saud
If town lynch rc
If scum lynch show

[Iconeum]

Woohoo I'm actually all caught up and it's taken me only 7 hours on and off!


VOTE: xtomx
I actually think a policy Lynch+night action results will be the best

VOTE: shos

I can't let this live srsly

[Iconeum]

Pls not Shos

I'm actually not sure this is scum and the gamestate is going to be hell if we flip town

You can trust me on Saudade

I'm gonna tell you what crushes gamestate

You not wanting to lynch your 'scumreads' the entire game

[Iconeum]

Shos is at least trying

Saudade has 0 scumhunting in his iso, Tris has 0 scumhunting in her iso, and you're looking past it because he's calling you town

Woohoo I'm actually all caught up and it's taken me only 7 hours on and off!


VOTE: xtomx
I actually think a policy Lynch+night action results will be the best

trying? you think he's trying?

'yeah guys lets just policy lynch and get the doc killed because that's gonna solve this game'

[Iconeum]

i should be good to start catching up today

is saud on L-1 right now?

[Iconeum]

Woohoo I'm actually all caught up and it's taken me only 7 hours on and off!
VOTE: xtomx
I actually think a policy Lynch+night action results will be the best

What's your rationale behind this being the best course of events?

This game's D1 was a shitshow, and it appears that the lack ofnightkill basically made D2 the same as D1, nothing to go on. May as well lynch policy lurker, or even nolynch to get the numbers back to odd.

Nothing to go on, except you have gotten not 1 but 2! conftown today? Back to odds?

WHY ARE YOU ALL TELLING ME TO LEAVE THIS ALONE

[Iconeum]

IF saudude flips town, you ALWAYS lynch RC tomorrow. Always. Even if by some miracle he happens to be the nightkill, we still lynch him tomorrow. OK?

IF saudude flips town, you NEVER lynch RC tomorrow. Maybe lynch shos. Probably lynch shos.

I don't think the D3 lynchpool is anything outside of this.

[Iconeum]

Literally any more info would be valuable as shit

YOU HAVE TWO CONFIRMED TOWNS TO WORK WITH

WHAT MORE INFO DO YOU WANT

[Iconeum]

Shos, I have not seen you reach out to me a single time this game.

[Iconeum]

Shos is literally disgusting me, and I cannot believe we won't lynch this

Has not produced a SINGLE own read, and has been copying his team's work entire game. Isn't scumhunting. Is ignoring the FACT that this game has 2 confirmed towns, yet 'no information, so let's no lynch'.

Yeah.

[Iconeum]

I'd be down with a saudude lynch tho.

If saud is scum, he is +++been bussing

[Iconeum]

Gonna be honest, the fact that RC is blocking the Shos lynch despite having Shos as second scum in readslist is freaking me out

RC did the same with skitter and Ari as well IIRC

anyone else?

[Iconeum]

shos are you aware that there are 2 confirmed town right now?

[Iconeum]

Will I need to ask you a third time who those are?

[Iconeum]

IF saudude flips town, you ALWAYS lynch RC tomorrow. Always. Even if by some miracle he happens to be the nightkill, we still lynch him tomorrow. OK?

IF saudude flips town, you NEVER lynch RC tomorrow. Maybe lynch shos. Probably lynch shos.

I don't think the D3 lynchpool is anything outside of this.

I should probably amend this a little

The first one is correct, the second 'town' should be 'scum'

ahum

carry on

[Iconeum]

ok

I have claimed a protective/got outed by RC
I claimed to have protected Mathblade, there was no kill

RC also suggesting scum decided to No Kill etc

[Iconeum]

i suppose from a true uninformed perspective at this stage, the use of 'conftown' isn't truly correct

I have claimed a protective, and I claim to have protected Mathblade after a Night 1 with no kill

You make your own conclusion about who is what ok?

[Iconeum]

He hasn't reread anything. I can imagine you don't read D1 when replacing. But he hasn't even bothered reading D2...

[Iconeum]

@shos

If you didn't know about the claim and result, then neither did your team?

They all posted those thoughts

without having read the game?

[Iconeum]

Woohoo I'm actually all caught up and it's taken me only 7 hours on and off!


VOTE: xtomx
I actually think a policy Lynch+night action results will be the best

So this was a lie, right? Being 'actually all caught up'?

[Iconeum]

1. Quit it with the association attempts. Xtomz has not interacted with practically anyone and

discerning his alignment will NOT solve the game

. Take a chill pill

Woohoo I'm actually all caught up and it's taken me only 7 hours on and off!


VOTE: xtomx
I actually think a policy Lynch+night action results will be the best

How did you go from thinking xtoxm lynch does nothing for the game, to wanting to policy lynch him, and also complaining you don't have any information to work with more recently?

[Iconeum]

and there's literally ONE post in between that

[Iconeum]

This game's D1 was a shitshow, and it appears that the lack ofnightkill basically made D2 the same as D1, nothing to go on. May as well lynch policy lurker, or even nolynch to get the numbers back to odd.

How can you say, in the same breath (sentence), that you are willing to NO LYNCH but are also complaining about the lack of information because NO DEATH?

[Iconeum]

@shos

If you didn't know about the claim and result, then neither did your team?

They all posted those thoughts

without having read the game?

I redact this one, as those team reads were prior to the claim

Please read and answer the other ones after this

[Iconeum]

and from all of this you deduct that my claim is some form of master scum plan?

[Iconeum]

can you expand a little on how that fits according to you?

[Iconeum]

Honestly thinking ico is scum after nokilling N1.

[Iconeum]

i'm not intentionally misrepping you btw

i'm just saying how it looks like to me

[Iconeum]

so if ur town, let's talk and work this out

[Iconeum]

because after all of this recent posts from you, you are either scum faking being oblivious to *the* most important D2 event

OR

and i'm considering this more likely right now,

you are town who's a bit lost in a game that's WAY bigger then it needs to be
in which case you are not being consistent but that doesn't mean you are scum so

let's talk

[Iconeum]

@RC

you say saudude is hard into his scum meta

I agree

But I say his scum meta is hard bussing in a tunnel on his partner

Agree/disagree?

[Iconeum]

RC+shos+saud may be a real thing.

it literally isn't a thing

If shos actually perspective scumslipped, it

completely clears

RC

[Iconeum]

assuming it's an actual slip, and it could be, it means you should also step outside your RC!scum tunnel and realize it's full implications

[Iconeum]

i'm not entirely convinced scum!shos tries to fake his way thru this, and if his TeamMafia team didn't inform him about the claims today, then surely he'd have read about it in scum PT

it's so incredibly rare to see an actual slip like that, it comes from town a LOT more then actual scum i'm afraid

[Iconeum]

@Math, come let's lynch Saudude

If that happens to flip town, town isn't in a bad spot and you get the RC lynch you always wanted ^^
If it flips scum, reconsider your reads and start thinking this might actually be town!RC

[Iconeum]

Shos pl vote for saud

Xtoxm is a wasted vote currently

[Iconeum]

VOTE: saud

[Iconeum]

Good pagetop

[Iconeum]

This day

Make it end

Please

[Iconeum]

Math plz

Its my dying wish

[Iconeum]

I'm not moving my vote for peace

Its not for peace


Yor vote is literally doing nothing right now
And you probs won't self vote

And you ant exactly promoting another lunch so yeah
Gamestallling because you want more pages to not read?

[Iconeum]

Inb4 mason

[Iconeum]

It's true teqcher

I said as much to shos
I'm not conf town either

But really scum not killing?

[Iconeum]

thanks RC

[Iconeum]

despite everything lol

[Iconeum]

i protected math again

[Iconeum]

VOTE: shos

[Iconeum]

My locktownreads in {RC Ico Math Flopz Skitter} are very very probably not wrong.

Add teacher to that sorry

The lynchpool for the next 2 days should be exactly (Shos/Xtoxm), with the only discussion about the order.

Thoughts?

[Iconeum]

Hey guys
VOTE: NO LYNCH
VOTE: xtomx

Any of these can work

Shos had some bad interactions wrt to the saud lynch, but he's pretty adamant on lynching Xtoxm throughout his ISO.
Xtoxm might be the superiour lynch today

If Xtoxm scum, I doubt it's with shos?

[Iconeum]

ok

never saw skitter have more than 3 votes on her ever in my life tbh

here you go my dude
thats 4
VOTE: skitter

This was pretty ugly, and throughout Xtoxm ISO there's absolutely no effort in solving, scumhunting, townhunting. No reads. Barely any AI interactions coming from him.

VOTE: Xtoxm

[Iconeum]

Spoiler: superfluous and not yet of the sediment

Vote Count 2.16 (FINAL)

Saudade

(7): skitter30, Aristophanes, Flopz, Iconeum, teacher, RadiantCowbells, Saudade

shos

(1): MathBlade

RadiantCowbells

(1): RCEnigma

Xtoxm

(1): shos

Not voting (2): Bellaphant, Xtoxm

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to 4 PM PST on January 31st, in (expired on 2020-01-31 20:00:00).

(not so) hot take: saudude wagon was all town minus the self hammer

[Iconeum]

Math, please don't do this AGAIN.

[Iconeum]

Why do you think you weren’t shot Ico?

strongman is my guess

[Iconeum]

You have exactly ZERO reasons left to distrust RC.

Shos and Xtoxm are both in his and most players scumpools.
Shos thinks Xtoxm is scum as well, and shos has AI content. Reread Xtoxm ISO. How is that town?

How is shos superiour lynch?

[Iconeum]

Respectfully concede, nice Lynch guys, didn't think it was a good one

Ico why are you scumreading me? What changed that made you like the xtomx vote suddenly?
I again go VOTE: xtomx ofc

I have input from my team from before the Lynch, perhaps this evening I'll get it posted. Have been postponed for like a week or more

Math why do you scumread me?

You are in the PoE, like you were yesterday. I've already scumcased you extensively. Read my ISO if you want the details again.
I think Xtoxm is the better lynch over you because you also want him lynched, and you have actually contributed to the game DESPITE having bad interactions with a scum flip.

[Iconeum]

Because you scumslipped yesterday.

Stop. Ur wrong. You were wrong about saudude, you are wrong about that scumslip.

We lynch xtoxm today. If that happens to be town, shos eats rope.

It's just a better lynch.

[Iconeum]

If Xtoxm flips scum, shos is ++town.

[Iconeum]

Shos is superior because shos has bad contentAnd Xtom has no content and is null because RC was in the game.

Bad content yes. And I tell you that bad content can actually come from town. It's not easy repping into this game. I think he has AI content and RC had the same read there.

We are putting faith into RC reads today wether you like it or not.

Xtoxm hasn't been engaged but don't shove that on RC. He has provided ZERO reads .ZERO interactions with p much anyone. He's not interested in solving, and with shos I think he can actually be town.
Xtoxm never.

[Iconeum]

Don't mind math, he's stuck this game.

It's pretty clear to everyone you had a big SR of your own, being Xtoxm. If he refuses to see that, it's on him.

@Math, you are pushing shos over an imaginary scumslip. Bad content ok, but that's NAI rather then scum!indicative. At least there's solving intent in his ISO, which is 100% lacking in Xtoxm (only slot that you can say that of).

Shos is also hard scumreading Xtoxm, so there's no reason for you to lynch shos if we can get good information about him by flipping Xtoxm first. You can reconsider your scumread if Xtoxm is scum, OR you get your lynch if Xtoxm is town.

[Iconeum]

@math, one more argument why I'm really hesitant on shos today:

He didn't know about the claims and main events. If he was scum, he would know because scum PT. He would be more guided.
Right now you can't misrep him by saying he doesn't have reads, that's objectively untrue.

Xtoxm on the other hand has made it his objective to not have reads from the looks of it. Shos is at least coming out wiht reads.

Strongly urge you to reconsider your thoughts here.

[Iconeum]

ico as a claimed doc

i never claimed doc