Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[RadiantCowbells]

Pagetop

[Iconeum]

Are you so sure that I'm scum that you're willing to agree protective goes on Skitter and you sheep my townblock for the duration of the game because if you agree to those conditions I'll selfvote.

Plz don't self vote in any case unless scum. I'm willing to talk about who my protection goes to, and skitter is up there on the list.

It doesn't even matter if you have bad reads in mafia as long as you have some perspective on it and don't try to assert your individual will over everyone. There's plenty of like meme players who do ok by relying on teamwork and townblocking as opposed to trying to bludgeon everyone into agreeing with their scumreads.

The problem with Math is that no one really agrees that I'm scum or that Skitter was scum or that Ari was scum but he attempted to bludgeon people into supporting those wagons. He voted me at start of day because I "wasn't worth keeping alive" because I wouldn't vote Ari with him.

If Math had just died town would be in a much better place tbh

You’re so close to self awareness if you’re town RC. So fucking close like replace Ari with TW.

And I am pretty sure Saude and RCE and Ico aren’t nobody RC.

You need to stop. I have been doing my damndest to townblock calling out townreads when I had them vs scum and only pushing Ari when Titus and BB and myself agreed.

Right now the three of us are in agreement RC has to go,

I am not doing unilateral math.

µ

Math, please don't misrep me here. I'm not against an RC lynch, but I sure as hell don't want him gone

today

. I'm a lot more on the fence about RC then you present here.

Cohesion happens the moment you stop trying to lynch a town investigative. Is that something you'll do in the interest of making the game non toxic?

Talking about cohesion RC, can you please vote shos?

Like,tell someone to fuck off, that's gine. Telling someone they're a fucking idiot, it's a stretch but I get it especially in some situations. Repeating that someone is bad, throwing a stat in their face repeatedly, quoting a post 20 times in your post and then repeating a vote on them 50 times in the next post, something something mental illness, etc

none of that is acceptable and all of it is toxic.

I am all for less toxicity in mafia. Heck I am all for NO TOXICITY in mafia.
I know some will always occur and that's manageable. The levels here get out of control really fast though and I've almost reported a few posts, deciding not to because I mean, what good does that do really.

Like I get hat we can't just all live in a happy fun time world but I will fight against this shit whenever I can.

+1 this.

What are scum teams you’re thinking without RC and with?

With RC is tough tbh because I really don't see that as a likely possibility and as noted will have to rethink fuckloads of this game if he does flip scum at some point.

I suppose it would have to be skitter and uh....Iunno on a third. Teacher comes to mind for some reason but it could easily just be a lurker at that point.

Without RC and assuming claims are legit, it has to be within {shos, Xtoxm, Bella, Flopz}
and I think Bella is most likely town there.

I have working townreads on almost every other player not within that pool and I will only be looking at lynching within it so long as my RC townread stands.

Ari is really growing town on me

@Ari Here is my link for shos and why hyperactivity is murder for him

viewtopic.php?p=9247749#p9247749

I don’t think shos is scum.

Pedit @RC you have so many townreads you only have one scumread. That’s lynch who you say and I townread Saud.

Cooperation involves discussion of saying why give and take. You aren’t. You don’t explain why my reasons are bad and others see it. Xtom even directly agreed when I asked for it in thread.

Wait I am not supposed to respond to your posts Damn that being so addicting

Math, plain and simple. You are most likely wrong about shos. By the end of this day, if you wanna have town cohesion, you will most likely need to vote shos. Trust me.

Townreads

RcE
Skitter
Math
Ico
Flopz
Bella
Ari

Middle
RC
Teacher

Should all die soon and preferably in this order
Saudade
Shos
Xtoxm

If shos is this low to you, RC, you should have no trouble voting there right now. Look at the current votes on shos. Pretty much your entire town. Anyone want town cohesion?

i think he's kinda easy to read when he gets into a semi-serious phase and i kinda don't want to dismantle the shos wagon and i sr math more

but part of the math read was kinda like ~teamreading him with ico~ but if he thought ico protected him and thought ico was signaling him to that effect that probably explains some of the weirdness there
and that would be a weird thing to do as partners, i think

i'm a little scared that if i unvote shos we'll have let him get off for the team catchup thing and that rebuilding that will be devilishly hard
like i'm not sure how it just kinda collapsed ?

Specifically this one here.

Skitter says they scumread me more after the protective claim but is acting like they want Shos more. This is very odd. She didn’t go into why and shaded her own thoughts just a bit later.

It’s reaaaaally bad.

You are quoting something that REALLY makes me townread skitter. I think ur wrong about skitter as well. It's not because you are conftown that you are correct in your reads as well. Please consider working with skitter here.

Spoiler: the alkali elves

Vote Count 2.11

shos

(4): skitter30, Aristophanes, Iconeum, Flopz

RadiantCowbells

(3): MathBlade, Saudade, RCEnigma

Iconeum

(1): shos

Saudade

(1): RadiantCowbells

Not voting (3): Bellaphant, Xtoxm, teacher

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to 4 PM PST on January 31st, in (expired on 2020-01-31 20:00:00).

I think shos is scum, I only dislike the flopz vote there. But I could def be wrong about him I guess. Also bussing is a thing?

Ya'll are talkking about town cohesion being destroyed BUT I SEE NO ONE TRYING TO BRING TOWN TOGETHER. SHOS IS THE LYNCH WHERE YOU HAVE THE POSSIBILITY TO GET TOWN TOGETHER.

@RC, vote shos. You have it in your bottom 3. Should be no problem. Most of your townreads are on wagon as well. EZ.
@Math, vote shos. I know you don't scumread there, but pretty much the entire townblock IS. If you go against this you basicly are working against townblock. If we are all mistaken, there will be plenty of us left alive tomorrow to revisit everything.

[Iconeum]

#2yearsofmafiascum

#haventlearnedathing:D

[Saudade]

This game is impossible to play

[Saudade]

RcCola im scumreading you because you are going for the easypeasy afk players wbo still havent caught on, and lets be honest its impossible to catch up in any meaningful way unless you are cleverv(like me) and just ignore everything

[Saudade]

And while you are at it you've a weird obsession with skitter where you claim youd vote where she votes after you yourself convinced her to vote there, and claimed if this is wrong well it aint me its all skitter

[Saudade]

I disregard the shos wagon completely and so should you because the guy havent posted anything besides an attempt to catch up

Well its impossible to catch up in shitfest, and theres only one player causing this shitfest.
I can only imagine what you did to my poor duck yesterday you filthy dress in black kill for money cow

[Saudade]

There i can post a lot of words too fuckers

[Saudade]

Stop being a pussy bitch Ico and vote where you need to vote

[Saudade]

You need big balls to win big games and you're just going to be like, meh, lets just lynch the weak players one by one maybe we'll get lucky you are not winning any games

[Saudade]

I said this to poor Ico but I mean it @ everyone

[Saudade]

Did ari just compare my many votes in one posts to rc calling mathblsde names the entire game?

[Saudade]

One posts.... Hmmmmmmm

[Saudade]

One of the benefit of my timezone is that i wake up and this thread is all mine

[Saudade]

Honestly at this point it doesnt even matter if rc is scum or town the only way for us to move this game forward is to hang him

[Iconeum]

RcCola im scumreading you because you are going for the easypeasy afk players wbo still havent caught on, and lets be honest its impossible to catch up in any meaningful way unless you are cleverv(like me) and just ignore everything

This is a misrep of RC and i don't like it. RC did many things this game, but only going after easypeasy afk players is definitely not one of them lol

I disregard the shos wagon completely and so should you because the guy havent posted anything besides an attempt to catch up

Well its impossible to catch up in shitfest, and theres only one player causing this shitfest.
I can only imagine what you did to my poor duck yesterday you filthy dress in black kill for money cow

This is also wrong. Shos posted enough crap to be lynched on the spot. His predecessor wasn't exactly spectacular either.

[Iconeum]

Let me be perfectly clear

I 100% believe shos should be the lynch today

[Saudade]

sure mate

[Saudade]

If shos flips scum its entirely due to luck and rng and not because you've done a good job playing this game in the last 200 pages

[Aristophanes]

Saudade, is there really no game relevant commentary in you team thread?

can i have link to my team thread

are you on my team teacher

ok saudade is prob town

this is umm also a pretty incredible reason to have that read, js.

I also thiught that was a very WTF conclusion XD

[Aristophanes]

Ari's role pm this game

Oof!

This hurt me bro!
Cut me deep!

[Aristophanes]

Honestly you getting nightkilled is so weird.

I don't... get it. No offense.

I don’t either hence why my gut says Ari scum but others disagree

But I gotta crash

Math I don't think I would have targeted you there as scum tbh. But that is purely conjecture so it doesn't really matter.

dude the posts you gave saudade a townread for are trivial to fake for even like mediocre scum. skitter gave him a townread for the dumbest shit. wtf?

I think they were townposts, especially when coupled with the average Saudade post. But good point I guess.
Bella asked for what I thought were his townposts, that was the entirety of the list. Like, it was exhaustive. It does not mean he couldn't be scum still lol

VOTE: Shos

Ico, Ari, let's get this game figured out.

/in =D

How can I help

I think we should leave Saudade around for the interim. Shos is a decent place to start though!

You've been saying this from here as well. Just... why?

At this point in the game ai thought I had found a mason partner crumb and didn't want to bring attention to the fact I believed his first post claim to be real. I've since dropped that belief.

Saudade that is a very scummy post from you and I feel like you're shading the wagon.
What is wrong, in your eyes, with voting someone you think is scum while others you think are scum are on the wagon, Saudade?

This entire interaction being forgotten as well

Scummy post doesn't mean scum any more than a towny post means town lol
He is, at least, very upfront about the shade he is placing on the wagon and it gives equity to the Tris/Plum possibility.

RC I towncased him but that doesn't mean he's town. Hes still among the lowest tier of my townpile. But I think there are better lynch options to pursue first/slots that simply need more content so we can read and interact with them!

But I'd love to talk this out at some point

[Aristophanes]

Ari why is it for the memes

Instead of, y'know, scum pushing a mislynch

that's the vibe I've gotten off of it and it would be very in-line with the character he has presented this game. That was my reasoning.

I don't see any reason for it except that it stirs the pot and can be made into this big memey show he is doing.

But I guess it could be a big scummy display instead, that's true.

[Aristophanes]

OH ICO HAPPY SCUMDAY I HOPE YOUR HEAD FEELS BETTER <3 <3

[Aristophanes]

There i can post a lot of words too fuckers

I don't know how stringposting became the it thing here but I don't mind it as much as I used to tbh.

Honestly at this point it doesnt even matter if rc is scum or town the only way for us to move this game forward is to hang him

This is bad and you should feel bad.

I disregard the shos wagon completely and so should you because the guy havent posted anything besides an attempt to catch up

Well its impossible to catch up in shitfest, and theres only one player causing this shitfest.
I can only imagine what you did to my poor duck yesterday you filthy dress in black kill for money cow

Shos is within a very small PoE pool for many players. Their catchup from their scum pt was meh and they'd need to return and blow me away for this read to change.

The active players have proven tmenselves towny for the most part.

Were not in this situation because "lol Lynch the Lurkers zomg!" Were in this situation because town players have remained active and engaged while scum players have not. Did you not consider this?