Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[Aristophanes]

Also his reason for voting TW was basically "well Ari isn't gonna happen today so I figure we should just end this now with a TW compromise."

The delay was all showy and they did nothing with it.

It was not a towny hammer and could easily have been Scum who knew it was a mislynch but wanted to make it look like they had a town motivation behind them.

I don't see anything that looks good about it.

[Aristophanes]

Most of my townblock don't want you lynched today. But that's because they're afraid of the small chance that you might be town. Which is wrong but I understand.

Not "afraid f the small chance" but more like "confident" he is town.

Nice try tho

[Aristophanes]

RCE, who's scum with RC?

Teacher + a low poster. Probably within Bella/plum/Xtoxm. Well maybe not Xtoxm, there would probably be more enthusiasm for the game if he rolled scum with RC. Ari can still fit in there. I don't look at RC flipping the wagon at it's height onto TW and think man they look reeeaaallll townie for that.

@RCE, townreads please?

Do I slot into the "low poster" slot or do I replace Teacher in this hypothetical?

Same as yesterday

Math/Ico/skitter

[Aristophanes]

Fuch I did it again one sec

[Aristophanes]

RCE, who's scum with RC?

Teacher + a low poster. Probably within Bella/plum/Xtoxm. Well maybe not Xtoxm, there would probably be more enthusiasm for the game if he rolled scum with RC. Ari can still fit in there. I don't look at RC flipping the wagon at it's height onto TW and think man they look reeeaaallll townie for that.

@RCE, townreads please?

Same as yesterday

Math/Ico/skitter

Do I slot into the "low poster" slot or do I replace Teacher in this hypothetical?

Fixed

[Aristophanes]

You replace a low poster. But like, it doesn't matter.

It really does matter. It tells me you have stronger feelings about Teacher as scum as well as saying I could be a scumteam with Teacher and RC in your eyes, which is kind of out there tbh.

I started callong Teacher scummy out of the gates and when I had a chance to rethink that, I instead doubled down on it. How would we be possible teammates in your eyes?

[Aristophanes]

RC GET OUTTA MY HEAD XD XD

[Aristophanes]

I don't agree with that read actually.

I'm starting to think RCE actually makes more sense as the deepwolf than Skitter.

I actually can't see why people are townreading him?

I was literally just thinking this wtf XD

[Aristophanes]

You replace a low poster. But like, it doesn't matter.

It really does matter. It tells me you have stronger feelings about Teacher as scum as well as saying I could be a scumteam with Teacher and RC in your eyes, which is kind of out there tbh.

I started callong Teacher scummy out of the gates and when I had a chance to rethink that, I instead doubled down on it. How would we be possible teammates in your eyes?

Teacher scum relies on RC scum but the other reads are independent.

Also everyone is playing the associative game with 0 scumflips. Which is cool if that's what you do but has no bearing for me if all we're flipping is town.

I mean, I'm just saying your proposed team makes no sense with me there. I don't think RC should be lynched, so what would a Teacher lynch do for your reads on RC and the remaining slot, depending on his alignment of course.

[Aristophanes]

You replace a low poster. But like, it doesn't matter.

It really does matter. It tells me you have stronger feelings about Teacher as scum as well as saying I could be a scumteam with Teacher and RC in your eyes, which is kind of out there tbh.

I started callong Teacher scummy out of the gates and when I had a chance to rethink that, I instead doubled down on it. How would we be possible teammates in your eyes?

Teacher scum relies on RC scum but the other reads are independent.

Also everyone is playing the associative game with 0 scumflips. Which is cool if that's what you do but has no bearing for me if all we're flipping is town.

Which is why Ari is just scum and independently bad.

Ari town pushes...

Where is Ari’s push?

Math.

I'm having conversation with people to glean intent and reads better. There is little to push because everything comes back to either myself or RC as scum and I disagree on all accounts there.

I am working on establishig where people sit so I know who has scum intent.

Why is any of this scummy?

[Aristophanes]

That means I am right on Ari more often that not.

And yet you are wrong...

[Aristophanes]

Bullshit.

You’re saying everyone pushing you is town? Everyone pushing RC is town? Bullshit.

There’s plenty to work with you either just don’t want to give associatives or just can’t be bothered.

Both are incredibly scummy.

I'm saying most of that I have to work with seems to revolve around people's reads of myself and RC and without drawing associatives into the mix neither is very helpful to me right now.

But sure, lets play this game differently. I'll go on ignoring anything that has to do with reads on myself and RC.

I bet there are very few posts to interact with now. Sounds great! I'll let you know.

[Aristophanes]

That means I am right on Ari more often that not.

And yet you are wrong...

And yet you spam

Yup, as I do as either alignment!

I can do that more if you like!

Because the odd post of mine is of this ilk atm but I can increase it in volume if you like!

[Aristophanes]

Ooooo good pagetop!

[Aristophanes]

Okay so I'm rereading Isos so Mathblade can be happy.

Started with Tris. Tris, can you do something? Anything? Your Iso is almost devoid of content and what little there is is devoid of reasoning. It's impossible to know your motivations when you don't present them and I don't know what to ask other than "what are your current reads and why?" because you barely even gave past reads or anything worth commenting on.
Do something.

Plum is leaving so I don't care enough to read there.
UNVOTE: tho because that's only fair at this point.

Teacher is still scummy and surfacy in all his posts. I still don't feel like he's engaging the thread and I still feel his votes are mostly scummy/opportunistic/not based on actual scumreads and I still feel like his hammer was null at best. I don't know what I'm supposed to say here.

Bella still looks nullscum but mostly just null. I think someone needs to engage her because I see a lot of questions but very few conversations and it's making her hard to read and probably seem scummier than she is.

Flopz has a lot of tonal issues but I think I was too hard on that slot and am willing to give it a second change. Flopz, when you get in here after your V/LA, I'd like to engage with you better because if you are town I think you have a good way of looking at things, given 1272 and I'd like to see you elaborate on your current thoughts.

Xtoxm could easily not be here and it would have 0 effect on the game. A couple points I nodded at, but literally only a couple, and calling them "points" is being generous. Can I tell you to do something too? Am I being rude now? W/e.

I will read RCE again another time but they could be scum and I want to actually look harder there.

The rest of the list has more posts than I do and also I townread so I'm not going to waste my time there.

Math, nothing changed in any of this from the last time and most of these players are, as noted, V/LA, MIA, or simply not engaging.
What do you expect me to do here!?

[Aristophanes]

Also, I don't remember now who was criticizing me for not having a vote placed at the end of D1 but I was extremely mad at the TvT 1v1 that was going down and it was clear that no matter what it was going to end in one of them getting lynched. Everyone else was getting drowned out and every other vote was pointless.

I threw my hands up and left the thread with an unvote and that was that. I didn't want to take part and there was no point voting elsewhere. I was already just so done and I'd only just gotten into the thread.

So I mean, scumread that if you like I guess.

[Aristophanes]

Anyway, I might just V/LA for the weekend since everyone else fucking is.

I might not.

We shall see.

[Aristophanes]

Stop TvTing and join my Ari wagon please k thanks!

This is actually kinda ironic and I forgot to lol at it earlier, so



Math, if you're town, which I still think you are, you are TvTing me and it's really annoying. And not only that, it's becoming a tunnel and that's even more annoying. And all of this is coming together to weaken my townread of you because even though I know your team is also strongly behind you in this, it seems like you're unwilling to change this view of me.

Thanks for reading, enjoy your V/la

[Aristophanes]

Basically Ari if you're town town is falling apart here
I think it is very easy for scum to lunch you -> me and win lylo
Not exactly sure what to say atp.

Yeah no I 100% agree RC I just literally don't know what I can do to avoid this!

I'm gonna get lynched, flip town, it's somehow going to lead to your lynch either for still being alive or for some weird associatives or for just being RC, and then what!?

At that point its 5v3 lylo assuming NKs go through with Math leading the way with his wrong-ass reads!

Like fuck I have no clue how to stop this because I bet Ico and Skitty are the NKs we'll see and Math will just be left screaming into the void of inactive and scummy players!

Literally at a loss, man.

[Aristophanes]

Like shit as I write that it makes me so much more certain its as simple as Teacher, RCE, and someone too incative to read.

But that's impossible to push at this point, especially with nodoby here.

[Aristophanes]

If town are all so active we should be working together not infighting like we are. And yet this gunn be a scum victory with little to no effort on their parts.

[Aristophanes]

And Math,

now

you can say I'm spamming and be correct. Before you were just being obtuse and I didn't appreciate it at all.

[Aristophanes]

I don't think it's Teacher.

I think it's Tris RCE Xtoxm

This is entirely possible! Tris is my biggest thought for filling that last spot and if not Teach then Xtoxm seems likely just via lack of evidence against it.

I am going to give RCE a far better read at some point and maybe sniff out some associatives because they are the most likely active scum I can find and I would love to land the lynch there once we're all ready.

[Aristophanes]

Dude

He meant NIGHTKILLS

Why are you so difficult

Yeah, I quite obviously meant they would wind up dead over nights 2 and 3.

And BBMolla is wrong.
And Titus is wrong.
And...who else is on your team? Because I'm sure they're wrong.

You are wagoning me with tunneled vision and it is going to be the thing that undoes this whole game! My flip isn't going to do shit for anyone! It's just one mkre cog in scum's eventual victory.

If town are all so active we should be working together not infighting like we are. And yet this gunn be a scum victory with little to no effort on their parts.

Since you won’t die and you’re scum gonna go with a hard yeah scum will win.

The thing is I probably will die if you keep this up and I am town unfortunately so my point stands.

[Aristophanes]

Aaaargh this game is like rubbing my fingers on sandpaper

RC trust BBMolla. Ari is scum.

Spoiler:

If he's not town loses literally 100% of the time

Not like close to 100% literally 100%

Spoiler:

[Aristophanes]

I just see town losing and I can't stop it

Not because I don't have the skillset but because people just don't trust me

I trust you’re town right now. I disagree with your reads.

This is literally my thoughts towards you right now.

[Aristophanes]

And we're stoll not getting anywhere with any of this so what honestly is the point guys?

[Aristophanes]

At least she's one of the 3 people who isn't v/la this weekend! Might give you a chance to hash things out

[Aristophanes]

Added two days to deadline due to large number of players v/la; unlikely to extend it further barring unusual circumstances.

[Aristophanes]

Aaaargh this game is like rubbing my fingers on sandpaper

[Aristophanes]

[Aristophanes]

meh he can do what he wants but if he's town he shouldn't be trying to lynch RC today

VOTE: ari

Ooooo I'm intrigued!

What has garnered this vote on me?

Also RCE was a good vote man, why change that? XD

[Aristophanes]

meh he can do what he wants but if he's town he shouldn't be trying to lynch RC today

VOTE: ari

Ooooo I'm intrigued!

What has garnered this vote on me?

Also RCE was a good vote man, why change that? XD

you do realize that i was voting for you all this time?

Oh, I had not XD XD

[Aristophanes]

Only, like, 1337 of the posts in this game are worth reading.

I didn't respond because hes not a player and shouldn't be posting in the thread, however to you I will agree that d1 is only worth looking at inn Iso form because fuck that noise! XD XD

[Aristophanes]

So much scum hunting ari, ur blowing my mind

I mean, I'm phoneposting from work so right now I can't.

But also I have read and reread Isos and parts of this thread multiple times now and nothing's changing so I'm feeling kinda stuck here tbh.

Still have to case RCE properly and decide where I fall there officially, which is a tn thing prolly.

Otherwise I don't know what else I can do really within the current gamestate.

[Aristophanes]

I'm having a hard time understanding how your scum read on plum disappeared just because of rep out

It didn't nut it's an inactive slot waiting for a replacement so I'm giving it space to breathe and ignoring its existence for now.

[Aristophanes]

shos replaces Plum.

[Aristophanes]

shos replaces Plum.

[Aristophanes]

Saudade replaces tris.

(This one is my favourite tbh)

[Aristophanes]

Oh gawd I see the amount of oldies and I smile
anyway I'll start reading tomorrow; can anyone tell me shit about the setup though as a heads up? also PLEASE a summary?

Cant wait to read all this 156 pages of quality content

Honestly read D2 and if you need insights on ppl Iso them.

The RC/TW/Math/Ari posts honestly shit up about 87% of D1 and it's literally not worth.

[Aristophanes]

from where I'm at it's nearly an impossibility that there isn't scum in {Ari/Tris/Plum}

so I would be interested in your reads on each other / each others predecessors when you have them.

[Aristophanes]

Oh gawd I see the amount of oldies and I smile
anyway I'll start reading tomorrow; can anyone tell me shit about the setup though as a heads up? also PLEASE a summary?

Setup is unknown, 10v3 standard tho.

Rc Investigative claim. Math softed that he saw a few softs that are leading to some of his reads. I can't think of any other claims or anything pertinent to the setup in particular.

Also HI! =D
It's been a while!

[Aristophanes]

Heya Skitty!

I am indeed around! Was about to do that RCE reading but I'd love to jive with ya!

[Aristophanes]

I would like first dibs on Skitter when she's caught up pls

NP I'll do my thing then. Do have your fun you two

[Aristophanes]

At least she's one of the 3 people who isn't v/la this weekend! Might give you a chance to hash things out

well, i'm vla every weekend, but you know

Oh...

The List Groweth!

I think it just leaves RC and I tbh. Like literally.
Maybe the replacements too but they have a whole nother thing to figure out so good luck to them

[Aristophanes]

Dammit, RCE is probably town. I took a step back and dialed my OMGUS back, as well as actually reading his posts, and they're actually pretty towny and I see effort in solving the game present.

Time to rethink some things. I honestly didn't expect this, and it became evident a lot earlier in his ISO than I ever would have thought.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: vorkuta
starting with my rvc vote

Well played XD

[Aristophanes]

oh vorkuta isnt here.. its mathblade.. mildly disappointed

This journey took me on a rollercoaster and I appreciated it greatly

[Aristophanes]

Ari are you going to scumhunt because so far everyones been posting walls and stuff and you were just amusing yourself looking througn my posts

Yo, of course I am! Thanks for the poke! I actually got about3 pages behind because I think I found a crumb which led me to a second crumb which led me down a rabbit hole. I'm pretty alright where I landed on it but I don't want to go into it further.

And you are posting amusing things, of course I'm going to show my amusement! XD

Dammit, RCE is probably town. I took a step back and dialed my OMGUS back, as well as actually reading his posts, and they're actually pretty towny and I see effort in solving the game present.

Time to rethink some things. I honestly didn't expect this, and it became evident a lot earlier in his ISO than I ever would have thought.

@teacher wrt ari's reads
he had been scumreading him just before

Ty. I did see this but again it seemed to be moving with the board (following RCs voice iirc) rather than independent evolution, despite being worded that way.

And yes, I do have an independent scum read of ari. And I think his flip doesn’t say much about RC.

I'm pretty sure I got there before RC did but w/e that doesn't really matter I suppose.

[Aristophanes]

I dont like ari so far

One minute you're commenting on my quality memes, the next you don't like me??

I'm hurt

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Shos

Ico, Ari, let's get this game figured out.

/in =D

How can I help

I think we should leave Saudade around for the interim. Shos is a decent place to start though!

[Aristophanes]

No one fucking shoots you at night, you're just so arrogant that you think that town would think that you *HAVE* to be shot so you no killed for that reason

RC, I like this thought, but is it reasonable?

Would Math waste an NK like this and to what end? So a protective can claim and/or know he's lying? To try and get you lynched?

I mean, I agree that scum was unlikely to have shot him so I haven't really engaged there but I don't get this leap. And what benefits would it give his potential scumteam?

[Aristophanes]

I'll not be ninja'd eventually... XD

[Aristophanes]

Look at Sau tryign to gently push the wagon onto Ari, look at Math's associatives with him this interaction fucking reeked

you will die today for this
DIE

WTF bro.

He's making a case and making a read. He looked at your posting and read the intention behind them, correctly or not, in this fashion.

If you are going to go berserker on anyone who misreads your intentions this really isn't a good passtime for you.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Shos

Ico, Ari, let's get this game figured out.

/in =D

How can I help

I think we should leave Saudade around for the interim. Shos is a decent place to start though!

can i interest you in voting shos ?

Yeah very probably tbh!

I almost did in that post above tbh.

But now things have blown up and I want to read them first...
Though I guess it doesn't hurt having a vote down while I do read up and parse RC vs Math

VOTE: shos

[Aristophanes]

I am going to have to sleep on this and convene with my team, RC. I like what you're saying and how you've gotten there (minus the No Kill because I'm still slightly ??? on that one despite understanding the mechanics of it as presented, it's just weird motivationally).

I finally got caught up and it's well past my intended bedtime now so yeah. I'm intrigued if nothing else!

[Aristophanes]

Also lol it's hilarious that my Auto correct changed the caps to fA since that means femtoampere xD

Ill say for the third time that reading D1 is useless for the most part except in ISO form and maybe as military grade torture.

Read D2. Iso the rest as needed.

[Aristophanes]

Hi! Sorry I was making lunch for work XD

I think you are a possible townslot for a few reasons now, yes. Your predecessor was not.

[Aristophanes]

I like mathblade the most right now, with a grain of skitter

Like as scum or like as town?

[Aristophanes]

Coolio! I won't get in your way then

[Aristophanes]

Uh, so Math's response to RC's accusations was to attach RC not his points.

Im all in and my team is behind me!

Vote]Math

[Aristophanes]

"Buddying and making no pushes" is such a misrep of my play btw imo

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Math

Iunno what happened in that last one lmao

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Math

Iunno what happened in that last one lmao

You must mean your scum team.

I know Nancy is not an early bird, she’s probably asleep. Creature would check out after post 12 whatever his alignment as he’s not playing. Auro I haven’t met but your entire team agreeing seems to be a bit of a stretch considering I have been scum with both Nancy and Creature before.

And yes I made a point not to indulge RC’s childish wagon. I still won’t as it’s still just spam.

I talked it over with them last night. Auro agreed, Nancy said go for it, and Creature in a non-entity.

I merely did not just on it because I was hoping you would prove us wrong. The immediate discrediting of RC did it for me tho!

[Aristophanes]

What even is this Skitter wagon!?!?

I've gotta look into it at some point

[Aristophanes]

What even is this Skitter wagon!?!?

I've gotta look into it at some point

Yes you should, especially if you truly do scumread me. I doubt it but I mean if you do you should try to figure out why.

I mean that this kinda popped up out of the blue and I want to look into why and how so I can glean intentions and alignments.

Why and how are you using that to be snide about my read on you?
Honestly.

[Aristophanes]

Your entire team can’t agree if Creature is a non entity. A non entity is simply that.

He replaced in after being hammered and is literally not engaging with TM.

Not that that matters because you are, once again, arguing around the point.

[Aristophanes]

Note to self:
Any pushback against Math is a chainsaw.

[Aristophanes]

I will say though that I thoroughly enjoyed that meme XD XD

[Aristophanes]

I can play the spam game better than you.

You're saying this to RC.

R-fucking-C!

Now this is rich XD

I'd like to see you try!*

^*

I would not actually like to see you try. Please do not take this as a challenge. Results may vary.

[Aristophanes]

I don't know id I'm interested in reading the last day of pages but I'm sure I will...

[Aristophanes]

Ari, vote Shos.

Yes Sir!

VOTE: Shos


Ninja'd

can we just stop getting distracted and wagon shos now plz

Yes Ma'am!

VOTE: SHOS!

Uh, 3 more ninjas. Uggh

[Aristophanes]

Oh lol 5 pages behind from my already 7 pages or so behind

[Aristophanes]

tyty

a vc soon would be nice

You are very welcome

[Aristophanes]

Ari, why did you vote Math over Shos and would you be willing to change that?

Yes.

And I said why didn't I? He was being flippant about cases, votes, and reads and skirting answering them. The pressure was on and he was disengaging from it. I figured I'd press on!

[Aristophanes]

RC What happened that Math is good again?

[Aristophanes]

if you vote him you have my full support and i'll go as ham as i need to but i'm not going against him unless you do.

RC What happened that Math is good again?

nothing. i just want to leave that problem till after i'm gone.

Noted!

Thanks

Skitty I'll also support it if it happens.

[Aristophanes]

i want him to articulate his sr on me
because he's been dodging that and hadn't managed to explain it in a cogent way in the like 12 pages that he was voting me

YES Thank you!

He's squirmy atm

[Aristophanes]

What even is this Skitter wagon!?!?

I've gotta look into it at some point

Yes you should, especially if you truly do scumread me. I doubt it but I mean if you do you should try to figure out why.

Oh, and I looked at this and it is to...pressure Skitter?
But into what I don't understand.

Like she is being active, giving reads with reasoning, and conversing with slots in order to progress the game.

What is the pressure for? XD

[Aristophanes]

If your argument is that I'm scum with Skitter then vote me not her.

Why would I follow the plan you want? You’re scum lol.

This is possibly one of the dumbest posts I've eead in a while btw...

Literally.

Reminds me of this gem:

[Aristophanes]

What do you get out of flipping Skitter that you wouldn't out of RC? If you think RC is probably town?

The goal isn’t a flip.

It’s an investigation into Skitter+RC.

If Skitter is scummy and doesn’t respond to the arguments and the admitted trigger from RC that he turns the game toxic once anyone votes Skitter then that’s weird.

Mainly if Skitter is town we also see different wagon data off of it.

The goal isn’t a flip. It’s to see if I am right and if I am then go forward and if not scum followed me on and we can find who.

You do know that pressure wagons only really work if you don't broadcast that they are pressure wagons, right?

[Aristophanes]

How am I

Still

8 pages behind!?!?



I'm going to bed.

[Aristophanes]

We need to lower the post count.

Actually we need to lower the posting rate. The post count can only remain the same or grow. It cannot be decreased.

[Aristophanes]

Ya know what, the last like 10 pages just look like toxic BS.

I'm skipping them entirely.

If I miss anything, whatever. Not sorry.

[Aristophanes]

Ico, I don't know if you're still at it because I skipped a bunch, but cool it with the middle finger gifs plz. Sure, they were fun the first couple times but after a while it becomes borderline harassment.

Also, Math got forced into a game with RC because he replaced in, not because the system failed and not because RC is on that many blacklists (I dont know that he is or isnt, but assuming so based on bad data is simply bad.)

Math, RC, just stop it.

RC, the 21% winrate approximation is indeed a sad number. Oh well. Who cares. This, just like the middle finger gifs, is getting out of hand.

Math, I honestly skipped a bunch of your shit but can you just disengage RC please? That'd be great.

[Aristophanes]

This page is the most important page in the last 10 pages.

Cool! I'll start here then

Ya know what, the last like 10 pages just look like toxic BS.

I'm skipping them entirely.

If I miss anything, whatever. Not sorry.

vote rc

lol.
No.

[Aristophanes]

Also, Math got forced into a game with RC because he replaced in, not because the system failed and not because RC is on that many blacklists (I dont know that he is or isnt, but assuming so based on bad data is simply bad.)

i was refering to myself there, not math.

gonna be very v/la for the next ~40hrs
see y'all in couple days
VOTE: unvote

:O The End Is Nigh!!!
Looking forward to a full return

And my bad for misunderstanding.

I mean, sorry about that luck. I hope you can still enjoy the game. I'm not interested in discussing blacklists further really.

[Aristophanes]

I demand an opinion on my song parodies Ari

break just ended but maybe tn

[Aristophanes]

This cow shit is also a little unnecessary tbh.

Why can't we all just get along?

[Aristophanes]

Thay felt really faked to you too, eh Saudade?

[Aristophanes]

Hey Bella!

That's actually a really appreciated post for where you're at! Not sure if it's echoing general townblocky feels or legit thoughts but I anctually get vibes on the latter!

I hope we can at least have a few passing words again, as these couple posts helped a lit!

And RC, tonally that other post was indeed wack! But I see what you're saying on intentions behind it

[Aristophanes]

But why??

We already had a detective claimed. Unless they thought themselves a likely invest target I see no reason not to kill, or at least attempt it!

What does being a Normal have to do with it btw? Does that change things somehow? I'm mostly in Themed games traditionally so I'm legit asking.

[Aristophanes]

Still VLA on work break.

RC Ari Shos is current theory.

RC is being weird and pinging me with interactions with Shos. He’s being too nice where as all his other scumreads he’s yelling.

Ari is just still pinging next and my team.

Saude yes RC was mean. That doesn’t be mean back. I wish he was a nice player (in terms of tone he’s nice outside of mafia) that’s not how he plays which makes the interaction with Shos weird. Rise above.

I don't know how you get to your conclusions but it will never cease to amaze me...

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Iconeum

Serious vote first time

I was looking at how comes I got to L-1 without even knowing what the playerlist was and barely posting anything and I saw that Iconeum made a somewhat weakish case on Flopz right

before

he voted me 'to help pressure'.
1. When you vote for pressure, you don't say it is for pressure, otherwise it sorta loses its point.
2. You literally made a case on someone else just a second before. That clearly shows that the vote is heartless;
these lead me to think that this was an opportunity for him to join a wagon. Which leads to the question - is the case he wrote a real case? And the answer seems to be in the ISO - kinda looks like he wanted to appear as doing something so he picked the smallest-amount-of-posts ISO and created an almost-post-by-post to manufacture a case.

VOTE: Shos

I don't believe a word of this.

[Aristophanes]

i'm literally only bringing it up in the context of your general site activity. you posted here once that did nothing and then posted a bunch elsewhere. this repeated multiple times.

I mean, I don't think this is always AI and I've been lynched for it as town before.

Pretty sure it’s RC+shos maybe Ari maybe not that’s more bbmollas read.

This actually explains it a bit XD

[Aristophanes]

Damn my timing is horrible.

[Aristophanes]

i'm around nominally, i guess
but i'm not having a great mental health day and i don't have super much energy for this tonight

also all of shos's posts in the last couple of pages have been p awful

<3

Take what time off you need, hope whatever is going on improves
If you have energy for us, cool. If not, no worries!

[Aristophanes]

RC do you need/want me to do anything in particular to progress things in this game or am I good to wait for things to happen and a Shos flip?

[Aristophanes]

Fantastic!

I'm taking the night off then

All the best my friend <3

[Aristophanes]

Or counteroffer

I could spam the thread in all caps rage

Oh, I know you could.

And I could post enough memes in response to that/past posts/life to probably almost keep up!

As much fun as that sounds, I think Ill pass this time.

[Aristophanes]

Tempting tho, I must admit!

[Aristophanes]

Is it possible TW+Ari is TvT? I don’t think it is just sanity check please.

i don't think so

Thanks. Now let’s wait and hope Ari can be lynched and this day ends.

Pedit: Or we can give a replacement if one is needed overnight to read and not be dropped into pressure.

Or we could throw the replacement into the fire!

Then Shos replaces in...

This cannot be coincidence.

Holy Shit! XD XD

[Aristophanes]

Looking at those song parodies now

[Aristophanes]

K first of all, not a parody but I love this song and MCR is bae <3
Yes, I too had an "emo phase" I suppose XD

I wish Ico would flip his vote back to your fat cow face

I'm wishing on a star
And trying to believe
That even though L-1 is far
I'll find it monday eve
I guess that Ico's busy
'cause his votes never come around

That's all I want when Ico comes to town

The best time of the year
When team mafia is on
With all these oldies here
RC is surely gone

Wagoning the fat cow fuck with townies who come around
It's so much fun when TM comes to town

Oh damn, this is great! A couple of the phrases clunked ever so slightly but it's better than most, and content-wise I love it

Every time you're still a live
After every vote I drive
Every votecount that I get
But I haven't lynched you yet

Every single spam filled page
Every time we start to rage
All the votecounts that I get
But I still can't lynch you yet

Only when I start to think about it

I
WANT
EVERYONE TO VOTE YOU
WHY CAN'T I KILL YOU

YOU
WANT
EVERYONE TO VOTE ME
WHY CAN'T YOU DIE HERE


Fucking 10/10 Perfection!!! =D
Also, Big Shiny Tunes 8 was my first, like, altrock album so I will always rock out to the songs off of it!

[Aristophanes]

I need more wine

Spoiler: WINE MEMES!!! =D

[Aristophanes]

I'm listening man, I just don't see what you're saying.

Well, technically I'm not listening because I can only see what you're saying.

This being a text forum and all.

But you

hear me

see my words, right? XD

[Aristophanes]

this game is so annoying
no one is listening to me

shuttt up we taking about wine here

Thank!

Red wine, right?
I'm a Cab Sauv guy myself.

[Aristophanes]

Something around post ~840 made him think that flips and ari were going scum theater trying to fight each other as bad as possible for when one dies
wanted plum to fight flopz on that but without mentioning ari by name in order to watch ari's response and see if the theory holds. If ari responded with a vote based on what plum said then go balls to the walls agains ari.

I mean...

flopz entrance/catch-up is p bad imo; it actually reads kinda partner-y with ari that he scumreads ari for 'the usual reasons' but neither added anything to the discussion nor did anything about it (i.e. by voting him when he unvoted ari)

Sorry to burst your bubble on this one....but who TF is flopz!?

This makes it look even worse. Man.

Yup, I'm scum with the guy I don't know is in the game and isn't on the playerlist. That's totes believable! XD

But also my tone is whack innit so Imma be scumread for this and for my observation of it being off from normal (if i even have a normal right now).

Man, somehow I'm making me scumread myself as I type! This is bad...

Did you not look back? It's literally post 840 and the adjacent ones

[Aristophanes]

@Shos

[Aristophanes]

wait so who is flopz? lolwut

Don't say that ppl will think you're on their scum team

[Aristophanes]

Hey Ari.

What do you think of the fact shos had a massive wagon and the tris slot didn't?

Hi Bella!

I think that's definitely got a lot to do with RC. I also think Saudade has done a decent job in the new slot, even if he's not, like, actively sorting a lot atm. I would like to give them a chance.

I am somewhat torn on Shos' team summary. I think it's legit enough, but a lot of that could have been notes to help a scum!Plum post things that looked like reads and game advancement.

Ninja'd

I resent that. I always play seriously.

Uuuuuh, yeah sure.

[Aristophanes]

@Bella,
What do you think of this summary? As I say I'd like to see their own content before considering dropping anything here because it could easily be team tips for scum.

[Aristophanes]

I hard disagree? Like, it shocked me to see saud had 150ish posts but all that's in my head when I think of them is that clown music? Da da dadada da da dada... Like, point me to some actual stances of theirs?

Hmm, I mean I see what you're saying but there's a tone that seems towny from it. I'm pretty sure I recall some content in there tho. I'll have to verify it.

I get what you are saying about own content tho.

'bc rc' is also like, not a good reason for anything..

Yeah, I know.
What I mean by that is that he has been vocal enough to make this happen and I think it's also because Math isn't going to happen today. It's almost a compromise wagon in thqat sense.

I don't know what bop means

Burden of Proficiency

[Aristophanes]

MathBlade why would you declare intent to hammer on a person that has RC and skitter on their wagon
iirc you voted.. them both(?)

@Math
Can you address this please so I can address this please???

[Aristophanes]

MathBlade why would you declare intent to hammer on a person that has RC and skitter on their wagon
iirc you voted.. them both(?)

@Math
Can you address this please so I can address this please???

NVM I missed it.

MathBlade why would you declare intent to hammer on a person that has RC and skitter on their wagon
iirc you voted.. them both(?)

I am not.

Before someone hammers I want that answer.

I myself do not have intent.

Saudade that is a very scummy post from you and I feel like you're shading the wagon.
What is wrong, in your eyes, with voting someone you think is scum while others you think are scum are on the wagon, Saudade?

[Aristophanes]

And that phant girl haven't posted anything of substance since I replaced in and then accuses ME of not posting anything of substance!?

She has timezone issues and I believe was a light V/LA?
You should read her Iso and give me your thoughts. I'd really appreciate it!

MathBlade why would you declare intent to hammer on a person that has RC and skitter on their wagon
iirc you voted.. them both(?)

@Math
Can you address this please so I can address this please???

He addressed it pleasingly

Yeah, I missed that sorry.

I made myself a promise that as soon as RC posts im going to bed

WAIT I asked things!

Oh, you answered them. One sec.

[Aristophanes]

You're damn right I'm shading the wagon, I've been pretty vocal about it too?

I mean, yes. I just think the way you are doing it gives you a high scum equity if/when Shos flips scum. Wanted to be sure it was indeed your intent.

MathBlade why would you declare intent to hammer on a person that has RC and skitter on their wagon
iirc you voted.. them both(?)

@Math
Can you address this please so I can address this please???

NVM I missed it.

MathBlade why would you declare intent to hammer on a person that has RC and skitter on their wagon
iirc you voted.. them both(?)

I am not.

Before someone hammers I want that answer.

I myself do not have intent.

Saudade that is a very scummy post from you and I feel like you're shading the wagon.

What is wrong, in your eyes, with voting someone you think is scum while others you think are scum are on the wagon, Saudade?

reread it, but slowly

Yes, I know what I said.

In a bubble where you scumread 3 ppl, 2 vote the third. You will refuse to vote your scumread because they are on the wagon?

[Aristophanes]

Hey saud, read my iso. It's lovely and short. If you have questions, come back to me

I don't think math should happen today/ever?


I'd you could Ari, that's be great..even like, top ten posts that make you think town

I'll do that and report back

[Aristophanes]

Well aren't you the philosopher, is there a point to your question besides trapping me with my own logic?

I'm just trying to see where you stand on this because calling Math out on the potential of a vote there was interesting and I think it will help me read both of you.

And Aristophanes was arguably a philosopher, as all artists are. However he was definitely a "Boomer" when it came to philosophy, even having an entire play that slandered the great Socrates, which was used as evidence against Socrates in the famous trials on 399 BCE that led to his being sentenced to death.

So, uh, Y don't know where I was going with that but I now want to reread

Clouds

so thanks I think?

I like how ari chooses to engage with me unlike RCE who just brushes me off "hes a troll huurr durr and if he isnt well ill get back to it laterrr"

Oh shit, it's almost like I said I wasn't reading you today. Wild.

yes ignoring content is a bit weird hmmm??

Happy to engage!
I think RCE is fine in saying he will slate you for later assuming he is working at other things in the game atm.

[Aristophanes]

I'm really dumb. I was assuming gamma was gamma emerald. Then I was about to grill show because gamma has siteflaked since the 4th. But it's gammagooey.

O.o

I also made this mistake and was wondering why TF Gamma hadn't chimed in about me in any of his reads because, like, we were literally on TM together last time!!!

I feel dumb now too.

[Aristophanes]

RadiantCowbells (3): MathBlade, Saudade, RCEnigma

I sincerely doubt there is less than 2 scum here.

Noted for later

Also I wasn't offering to hammer you, I lost a vote on you somewhere.

truly I don't think I was even aware you were in the game until I read the team PT. *that* is how hard it is to replace in here >_>

@shos

Assume you’re town for a moment,

Why do you/your team think RC is town despite BoP would have been proven wrong twice from BoP.

RC has said several times he is willing to be BoP.

Is your team ignoring this?

Requoting so this doesn’t get lost

Requote again.

You're gonna be doing this a lot. Just fyi.
Maybe we should just quote it when he gets back?
It's in a few Isos now including yours a few times. It ain't getting lost.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: RC

So that if town loses its on the back of other townies and no fault of yours.

Lol the salt XD

[Aristophanes]

RC what do you think of shos so far?

[Aristophanes]

i don't really want to vote shos because he called me town.

His team did maybe. He ain't done shit!

And this game is about lynching scum. Did his thinking you are town make him less likely to be scum in some way?

[Aristophanes]

Was it secretly the challenge of lynching Math that got you to switch votes?

Because I could see that! XD

If it is, just leave him be for now. I'm about the only other person willing to vote there atm. We'll have to deal with him in future rounds.

[Aristophanes]

Unvoting because they gave you a townread is like, a Reverse OMGUS. We need a term for this.

OMGUR - OMG U Rock?

Imma use that from now on I think.

[Aristophanes]

In general, our team agrees much on RCE being scum, xtomx being scummy or shitty or whatever, RC being town.

This, right?

It's such a throwaway without having formed anything himself. I want a better response RC with regards to his posting, because that also is a very throwaway reason to switch off this wagon.

[Aristophanes]

I may be daft but I honestly don't see a crumb in a single one of those quoted posts from Ico...

For the record my read on them has been entirely independent of this softing business and I don't see where anyone read into it this far at all.

[Aristophanes]

Tbh my tean wanted me to prod Math about this supposedly obvious crumb everyone should have cought because none of us were on the level XD

[Aristophanes]

That youre scum. It makes some sense with vcas, pairings I’ve kept in my head, and game events. But I want to do it rationally, not on adrenaline that I’ve got rn.

As I have said before make the case and who am I scum with?

You’re obviously wrong but the whole seemingly naked sheeping of RC and buzzwords is suspicious AF.

If I get mislynched look at active posters right about now in RC/Skitter/Teacher.

Teach literally said they wanted to read back and revote if they still felt this so ???

OMGUS much?

[Aristophanes]

Yes Ari you’re in my null camp and I have asked BB Molla and Titus to reassess.

<3 <3 <3

[Aristophanes]

Dude I revised the teacher read when I realized what he was up to and I am inno

So please stop the shade and work with me

Sorry sorry

I'm responding as I catch up and still have a few pages to go.

Will readdress this when I get there

[Aristophanes]

Okay page 207 Math I like and I have to reconsider things again

[Aristophanes]

Oh, I've read pg 208 now.

Sorry.

I should finish catching up before I say shit I guess.

[Aristophanes]

and I am inno

I thought this wasnMath being Math.

I was wrong. Sorry

[Aristophanes]

Anyway bedtome was 2 hours ago.

Goodnight

[Aristophanes]

I saw talk of Ico claiming so I looked through the recent posting of their ISO to serve as a sort-of catch-up to the thread. I really liked a lot of the posts I saw there, especially 4891 (the claim was good too). So will put my vote on Shos. VOTE: Shos

(I haven't looked through the RC stuff yet in regards to whatever he's done this time)

Did you check who replaced who before voting? Just wondering

[Aristophanes]

RC we have anprotection claim on Math. Unless you yhink Math/Ico are both scum you should probably move that vote somewhere more useful.

[Aristophanes]

Wait so Math is clear right? And Rc knew it?

I mean, he stated why he doubted it and I can see hisnreasoning. With it fully claimed he is likely to back off a tad I'd assume and hope.

[Aristophanes]

My final guess is RC/Skitter/Ari

Your reads are still whack and even if you are cleared I'm never going to follow you into the fires of a scum victory here.

Honestly, I do not understand how you still think this stuff man!

And your assumption that RC and I are on a scumteam together is probably what's leading to these weird leaps. Literally you have put so many people as the third and none of them have made sense! Perhaps there is an issue with your Ari/RC pairing that is causing this.

[Aristophanes]

Actually, here's a fun thought exercise, Math.

Would you be able to give me a scumteam of RC/Ari/_____ and fill in the last slot with each player here, skipping yourself and Ico if you want, and tell us why it does or does not make sense. Just off the top of your head reasons is fine. I just feel like you need to get through this to get out of whatever it is that is causing this team-scumread.

As a counter offer, I will accept your team talking it over and presenting just those you landed on as a possible scum-Trio with reasoning.

Thanks in advance.

[Aristophanes]

I mean, I have to look back at that again because some details get fuzzy in a game of this size and pace. He has uber-denied saying aome things he definitely said, like that we have his permission to BoP Lynch him if we get 2 mislynches led by himself with no scum flips. But none of it was malicious.

Him flipping out is hard to head because you never know what will set him off.

And he didn't believe the clear so I don't think voting him for that is reasonable at this time. If he continues to vote you, that is a different story. He would have to abandon his Ico Townread and volley for the lynching of either Doc or their Clear which, well I could still see so we'll find out what happens there I guess.

[Aristophanes]

Also I'm still pretty unlikely to vote RC here so I'd suggest putting your efforts into convincing the other half of the playerlist.

If they're going to be here.

[Aristophanes]

Actually, here's a fun thought exercise, Math.

Would you be able to give me a scumteam of RC/Ari/_____ and fill in the last slot with each player here, skipping yourself and Ico if you want, and tell us why it does or does not make sense. Just off the top of your head reasons is fine. I just feel like you need to get through this to get out of whatever it is that is causing this team-scumread.

As a counter offer, I will accept your team talking it over and presenting just those you landed on as a possible scum-Trio with reasoning.

Thanks in advance.

My team already has been. I am still waiting to hear back regarding you. (I’ve been spamming the discord for my sanity so I could have missed it.)

Titus is reasonably confident RC is scum not 100% but pretty close.

The team thing is more how RC interacted with your slot. Thus if I am right a lot of people could be partners with you and RC. But RC+Skitter I am more confident in so if RC flips scum I would like to do Skitter next or Ari depending upon how the group splits. Then if that flips scum lynch the other.

Cool Cool Cool!

Much obliged!

And if RC does flip scum I'll have a lot to rethink...

[Aristophanes]

I mean, I have to look back at that again because some details get fuzzy in a game of this size and pace. He has uber-denied saying aome things he definitely said, like that we have his permission to BoP Lynch him if we get 2 mislynches led by himself with no scum flips. But none of it was malicious.

Him flipping out is hard to head because you never know what will set him off.

And he didn't believe the clear so I don't think voting him for that is reasonable at this time. If he continues to vote you, that is a different story. He would have to abandon his Ico Townread and volley for the lynching of either Doc or their Clear which, well I could still see so we'll find out what happens there I guess.

I am sorry but assaulting someone’s win rate and insulting the play of someone who could be inno is malicious. Making jokes about my sex life and what I do or do not do is malicious.

Him flipping out I think can be read it’s just harder. And even if he is town I told him he needed to work together and ultimately he won’t (more likely) or can’t (even worse).

Sorry, I meant malicious as in scummy.

Personal attacks are never okay and I absolutely did not mean to discount them.

I hate that a lot of the struggles this game are because of personal differences and wish there were a way around that without lynching the parties people don't get along with.

[Aristophanes]

guys i'm struck by a concussion

IIRC they recommend limiting screen time so please take a V/la for a few days to get better

[Aristophanes]

Also I'm still pretty unlikely to vote RC here so I'd suggest putting your efforts into convincing the other half of the playerlist.

If they're going to be here.

Why are you unlikely to vote RC?

Please answer Ari

Whoops, missed that.

Because I still read him town tbh.
Sorry

[Aristophanes]

Ari, I'm waiting for nice things in sauds iso from you.

Math, I'll try to word vomit later. I get that I wasn't clear enough earlier.

Right yes sorry, I went put last night so I didn't do this yet but it is in the plans.

[Aristophanes]

Is it bad that I'm looking forward to not playing for a while after this game concludes?

[Aristophanes]

Also I'm still pretty unlikely to vote RC here so I'd suggest putting your efforts into convincing the other half of the playerlist.

If they're going to be here.

Why are you unlikely to vote RC?

Please answer Ari

Whoops, missed that.

Because I still read him town tbh.
Sorry

Again why?

I think you’re fundamentally wrong somewhere if you’re town and I want to find out why.

His tone is towny. His pushing to sort the game is towny. His early claim was towny (for RC). And his interactions have been towny.

Yhis game has a lot of shitty, messy, personal beefs that make me feel like a babysitter and it's all very taxing emotionally which is why Ive tried disengaging from that part if the game and playing ref on occasion.

I think that a lot of the scumreads on RC come from this fact and while I can see how a PL for the sake of the people is a decent possibility here and might help the gamestate I'd be far happier if people could just let shit go and play the goddamned game, so there's like no way that I am going to give in to that. It's shitty and toxic in its own way and I do not want to engage it.

I townread RC because he has been towny in many ways and I do not see scum motive or agenda behind his actions.

[Aristophanes]

Is it bad that I'm looking forward to not playing for a while after this game concludes?

Hey do you remember how you said hey I missed this game
And I was like nah bro you way way off

Yeah...

I was young and naive okay XD

And before you say it's not even been a month, I'm pretty sure this game has aged me

[Aristophanes]

@Saudade wrt 5326 and 5327, please kindly knock it off.

It's really not funny or impactful anymore. Just annoying.

[Aristophanes]

Bella I'll do the thing on Saudade when I get home.

[Aristophanes]

How much longer until Xtoxm and Shos are back?

I want to talk to new people.

[Aristophanes]

@Bella

Spoiler: A Compendium of Saudade Townposts

I hardclaim mason

Okay so this as a first actual post is interesting. My initial read on it was that he was an actual mason and I thought I actually found his partner at one point, I don't think so now but I stillthink scum don't jump in like this usually.

how many scum are there in a setup like this? 3?

are you one of them

I actually liked this setup and response despite it being a kinda throwaway question. Like I'm sure he knew there were 3 scum and I'm sure he also knew someone would respond to his question. It's a nice little reaction test waiting to happen and he used it to glean a read which is good follow-through. Town equity.

Saudade, is there really no game relevant commentary in you team thread?

can i have link to my team thread

are you on my team teacher

ok saudade is prob town

im always prob town
until i smak u

Iunno I just don't think this response is scummy but maybe he's a more brave scum than I think.

Ari are you going to scumhunt because so far everyones been posting walls and stuff and you were just amusing yourself looking througn my posts

I liked how he called me out on this. Could have very easily memed at me or continued on but instead said I should do something despite his prattling on. I think it was a very good call out and I like him for it.

You’d only be dealing with mass claim possibly if today is a mislynch. If we lynch scum mass claim doesn’t come into this. The fact you’re saying we would deal with mass claim logic tomorrow is troubling.

a) i'm generally a proponent of earlier massclaim than later massclaim tbh
b) i was obviously referring to the worst-case scenario wherein we lynch town today, in which massclaim has to happen tomorrow

i said i wanted to revisit the rc thing, not that i was going to shout for massclaim tomorrow indiscriminately

Nah you had none of that qualifiers and early mass claim is stupid if deepwolves can exist.

I am pretty sure you’re scum.

i dont follow the logic why u scumread her now
chew it for me im very stupid

Asking for the breakdown in this fashion is very good and I really like it tbh. It makes Math take a step back and explain from the basics where he stands and that is hugely helpful. Honestly very fond of this post.

Look at Sau tryign to gently push the wagon onto Ari, look at Math's associatives with him this interaction fucking reeked

you will die today for this
DIE

WTF bro.

He's making a case and making a read. He looked at your posting and read the intention behind them, correctly or not, in this fashion.

If you are going to go berserker on anyone who misreads your intentions this really isn't a good passtime for you.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

well rc does have a history of being absolutely terrible
VOTE: unvote

The "Hmmm" post had me like ??? until he unvoted. He took a step back to reconsider things and diffused his attack rather than escalating it. It is very pro-solve rather than pro-scum.

The way you interacted with RC and did not let it derail the game thread is very good town

Once again, I liek the way he approached his reads here.

I dont have any scumreads... Im collecting townreads

I also am uu=sing this strategy so I am fond of those using it.

I think its more of a character trait of his to be really kind rather than him trying to buddy everyone

Good read of me is good and I'm a sucker for those who get me so...

So why do you town read skitter

You tried to dance around me there but I insist on hearing you out

I mean, goodposting.

You are over-reacting.
there's nothing wrong with pushing players whoever they may be to learn something

Totes true and while maybe not AI I think it once again is more likely from someone who wants to sort the game.

[Aristophanes]

Please put the toxicity behind us.

[Aristophanes]

@Bella

Spoiler: A Compendium of Saudade Townposts

I hardclaim mason

Okay so this as a first actual post is interesting. My initial read on it was that he was an actual mason and I thought I actually found his partner at one point, I don't think so now but I stillthink scum don't jump in like this usually.

how many scum are there in a setup like this? 3?

are you one of them

I actually liked this setup and response despite it being a kinda throwaway question. Like I'm sure he knew there were 3 scum and I'm sure he also knew someone would respond to his question. It's a nice little reaction test waiting to happen and he used it to glean a read which is good follow-through. Town equity.

Saudade, is there really no game relevant commentary in you team thread?

can i have link to my team thread

are you on my team teacher

ok saudade is prob town

im always prob town
until i smak u

Iunno I just don't think this response is scummy but maybe he's a more brave scum than I think.

Ari are you going to scumhunt because so far everyones been posting walls and stuff and you were just amusing yourself looking througn my posts

I liked how he called me out on this. Could have very easily memed at me or continued on but instead said I should do something despite his prattling on. I think it was a very good call out and I like him for it.

You’d only be dealing with mass claim possibly if today is a mislynch. If we lynch scum mass claim doesn’t come into this. The fact you’re saying we would deal with mass claim logic tomorrow is troubling.

a) i'm generally a proponent of earlier massclaim than later massclaim tbh
b) i was obviously referring to the worst-case scenario wherein we lynch town today, in which massclaim has to happen tomorrow

i said i wanted to revisit the rc thing, not that i was going to shout for massclaim tomorrow indiscriminately

Nah you had none of that qualifiers and early mass claim is stupid if deepwolves can exist.

I am pretty sure you’re scum.

i dont follow the logic why u scumread her now
chew it for me im very stupid

Asking for the breakdown in this fashion is very good and I really like it tbh. It makes Math take a step back and explain from the basics where he stands and that is hugely helpful. Honestly very fond of this post.

Look at Sau tryign to gently push the wagon onto Ari, look at Math's associatives with him this interaction fucking reeked

you will die today for this
DIE

WTF bro.

He's making a case and making a read. He looked at your posting and read the intention behind them, correctly or not, in this fashion.

If you are going to go berserker on anyone who misreads your intentions this really isn't a good passtime for you.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

well rc does have a history of being absolutely terrible
VOTE: unvote

The "Hmmm" post had me like ??? until he unvoted. He took a step back to reconsider things and diffused his attack rather than escalating it. It is very pro-solve rather than pro-scum.

The way you interacted with RC and did not let it derail the game thread is very good town

Once again, I liek the way he approached his reads here.

I dont have any scumreads... Im collecting townreads

I also am uu=sing this strategy so I am fond of those using it.

I think its more of a character trait of his to be really kind rather than him trying to buddy everyone

Good read of me is good and I'm a sucker for those who get me so...

So why do you town read skitter

You tried to dance around me there but I insist on hearing you out

I mean, goodposting.

You are over-reacting.
there's nothing wrong with pushing players whoever they may be to learn something

Totes true and while maybe not AI I think it once again is more likely from someone who wants to sort the game.

So Ari let’s assume for a moment that Saude is town.

What do you think of both Saude and myself reaching the conclusion RC is scum?

How does this jive with your townread?

Out of respect to my colleagues I am reevaluating my scumread of you, can you reevaluate your town read of RC? And maybe find a post or something that sticks out?

I would absolutely love to but he has almost 1750 posts in this thread and I simply will not look through that to make a case. I will flat out refuse to do so now and I will stick by this. I will never read that ISO and I will never even feign interest in doing so.

I will give you that this is a read which has remained consistent through the game despite the ever changing landscape of it and I see how that is odd. I am always open to changing my reads on anyone and everyone and he is by no means a locktown read. I just haven't read anything that has convinced me otherwise and I don't expect to.

As for you and Saudade, a potential conftown clear and a potential towny reading him as scum, I don't know that that changes anything for me?
Much like my question to Saudade when he asked you about voting with your scumreads, I do not see why it is in any way essential to share reads with your townreads. I may be unnecessarily contentions here, but I don't scumread him despite your reads and I don't think you have presented a case yet that would convince me of it, though I do appreciate the cases put forth.

And Saudade's has been a little lacking in that respect. He is voting him but I don't know why he actually scumreads him. I honestly don't. I just know he wants RC lynched and I think it is almost #ForTheMemes at this point which is thoroughly not convincing.

I am very appreciative of your consideration on reevaluating your read on me, and I have come around on you a few times and am in no way pushing you as I had been at other points this day. Like I say tohugh, all slots are always potentials for reconsideration if given the right evidence and I have not seen that in respect to RC yet.

[Aristophanes]

It's hilarious how ego driven everyone is that no one is reactive to calling people an asshole or commentary on mental illness or whatever but you fall someone a BAD MAFIA PLAYER when they objectively are and ZOMG

Everyone loses their minds joker gif

I have called people out on all of this RC so...

[Aristophanes]

The difference was your relentlessness. If you called him out and left it at that, that's fine. It became a personal attack the more it got repeated and weaponized.

[Aristophanes]

Like,tell someone to fuck off, that's gine. Telling someone they're a fucking idiot, it's a stretch but I get it especially in some situations. Repeating that someone is bad, throwing a stat in their face repeatedly, quoting a post 20 times in your post and then repeating a vote on them 50 times in the next post, something something mental illness, etc

none of that is acceptable and all of it is toxic.

I am all for less toxicity in mafia. Heck I am all for NO TOXICITY in mafia.
I know some will always occur and that's manageable. The levels here get out of control really fast though and I've almost reported a few posts, deciding not to because I mean, what good does that do really.

Like I get hat we can't just all live in a happy fun time world but I will fight against this shit whenever I can.

[Aristophanes]

Like,tell someone to fuck off, that's gine. Telling someone they're a fucking idiot, it's a stretch but I get it especially in some situations. Repeating that someone is bad, throwing a stat in their face repeatedly, quoting a post 20 times in your post and then repeating a vote on them 50 times in the next post, something something mental illness, etc

none of that is acceptable and all of it is toxic.

I am all for less toxicity in mafia. Heck I am all for NO TOXICITY in mafia.
I know some will always occur and that's manageable. The levels here get out of control really fast though and I've almost reported a few posts, deciding not to because I mean, what good does that do really.

Like I get hat we can't just all live in a happy fun time world but I will fight against this shit whenever I can.

+1 this.

What are scum teams you’re thinking without RC and with?

With RC is tough tbh because I really don't see that as a likely possibility and as noted will have to rethink fuckloads of this game if he does flip scum at some point.

I suppose it would have to be skitter and uh....Iunno on a third. Teacher comes to mind for some reason but it could easily just be a lurker at that point.

Without RC and assuming claims are legit, it has to be within {shos, Xtoxm, Bella, Flopz}
and I think Bella is most likely town there.

I have working townreads on almost every other player not within that pool and I will only be looking at lynching within it so long as my RC townread stands.

[Aristophanes]

@Ari Here is my link for shos and why hyperactivity is murder for him

viewtopic.php?p=9247749#p9247749

I don’t think shos is scum.

Pedit @RC you have so many townreads you only have one scumread. That’s lynch who you say and I townread Saud.

Cooperation involves discussion of saying why give and take. You aren’t. You don’t explain why my reasons are bad and others see it. Xtom even directly agreed when I asked for it in thread.

Wait I am not supposed to respond to your posts Damn that being so addicting

That's a good link and I appreciate it. I think he needs a chance to get into things before it is valid tho. He is behind and thrown into a Norman Mini that's longer than the Large Themed TM game so I really am not convinced it applies in the same way as a game that has fewer posts than some people's individual Isos in this game where he was thrown into the deep end entirely.

[Aristophanes]

I might nope out of the thread for the night. Hope you two can kiss and make up at some point.

Looking forward to others chiming in, as previously noted.

GL HF

[Aristophanes]

I might nope out of the thread for the night. Hope you two can kiss and make up at some point.

Looking forward to others chiming in, as previously noted.

GL HF

This is literally the least toxic back and forth we've had this entire game, so...

And I really appreciate that! I hope yall keep it up! I just am having little to input and it's been almost 4 pages of just the three of us posting so I don't see the point in being here.

Thanks for being cordial guys <3 <3

I might nope out of the thread for the night. Hope you two can kiss and make up at some point.

Looking forward to others chiming in, as previously noted.

GL HF

Tryin but I am straight.

Will settle for a bro hang or seeing if we can be civil.

Would accept, hope it works out

[Aristophanes]

Saudade, is there really no game relevant commentary in you team thread?

can i have link to my team thread

are you on my team teacher

ok saudade is prob town

this is umm also a pretty incredible reason to have that read, js.

I also thiught that was a very WTF conclusion XD

[Aristophanes]

Ari's role pm this game

Oof!

This hurt me bro!
Cut me deep!

[Aristophanes]

Honestly you getting nightkilled is so weird.

I don't... get it. No offense.

I don’t either hence why my gut says Ari scum but others disagree

But I gotta crash

Math I don't think I would have targeted you there as scum tbh. But that is purely conjecture so it doesn't really matter.

dude the posts you gave saudade a townread for are trivial to fake for even like mediocre scum. skitter gave him a townread for the dumbest shit. wtf?

I think they were townposts, especially when coupled with the average Saudade post. But good point I guess.
Bella asked for what I thought were his townposts, that was the entirety of the list. Like, it was exhaustive. It does not mean he couldn't be scum still lol

VOTE: Shos

Ico, Ari, let's get this game figured out.

/in =D

How can I help

I think we should leave Saudade around for the interim. Shos is a decent place to start though!

You've been saying this from here as well. Just... why?

At this point in the game ai thought I had found a mason partner crumb and didn't want to bring attention to the fact I believed his first post claim to be real. I've since dropped that belief.

Saudade that is a very scummy post from you and I feel like you're shading the wagon.
What is wrong, in your eyes, with voting someone you think is scum while others you think are scum are on the wagon, Saudade?

This entire interaction being forgotten as well

Scummy post doesn't mean scum any more than a towny post means town lol
He is, at least, very upfront about the shade he is placing on the wagon and it gives equity to the Tris/Plum possibility.

RC I towncased him but that doesn't mean he's town. Hes still among the lowest tier of my townpile. But I think there are better lynch options to pursue first/slots that simply need more content so we can read and interact with them!

But I'd love to talk this out at some point

[Aristophanes]

Ari why is it for the memes

Instead of, y'know, scum pushing a mislynch

that's the vibe I've gotten off of it and it would be very in-line with the character he has presented this game. That was my reasoning.

I don't see any reason for it except that it stirs the pot and can be made into this big memey show he is doing.

But I guess it could be a big scummy display instead, that's true.

[Aristophanes]

OH ICO HAPPY SCUMDAY I HOPE YOUR HEAD FEELS BETTER <3 <3

[Aristophanes]

There i can post a lot of words too fuckers

I don't know how stringposting became the it thing here but I don't mind it as much as I used to tbh.

Honestly at this point it doesnt even matter if rc is scum or town the only way for us to move this game forward is to hang him

This is bad and you should feel bad.

I disregard the shos wagon completely and so should you because the guy havent posted anything besides an attempt to catch up

Well its impossible to catch up in shitfest, and theres only one player causing this shitfest.
I can only imagine what you did to my poor duck yesterday you filthy dress in black kill for money cow

Shos is within a very small PoE pool for many players. Their catchup from their scum pt was meh and they'd need to return and blow me away for this read to change.

The active players have proven tmenselves towny for the most part.

Were not in this situation because "lol Lynch the Lurkers zomg!" Were in this situation because town players have remained active and engaged while scum players have not. Did you not consider this?

[Aristophanes]

Its not a bad post i dont feel bad in the slightest btw

Lynching RC Ain't Gunn Do Shit for this game and lynching him without regard for his alignment is bad.

I'm just trying tk create a gamestate where we can all play together and hey look, Math and RC had a decent chat for like 4 pages and didn't yell at each other the entire time! Things take work but I think those pages give us a lot to work with and if you just want to lynch it because you can then you're wrong and arguably bad.

Why is it that you want ti lynch RC anyway?

[Aristophanes]

Were not in this situation because "lol Lynch the Lurkers zomg!" Were in this situation because town players have remained active and engaged while scum players have not. Did you not consider this?

then why havent i seen a case that relates to his predecessor rather than the few catch up posts he made

Because you haven't read anything from before your replacement into the game, which happened simultaneously to shos'.

[Aristophanes]

Saudade, Tris did just enough in the slot to get scumreads and to be replaced. You should Iso them and give me some thoughts!

Like its only 52 posts shouldn't be very taxing!

[Aristophanes]

Xtoxm, Flopz, Shos.

We need posts by these players before we progress.

I don't need catchups necessarily, even just engaging with a player, an Iso, or like the past 15 pages would be awesome.

Please you three, I know your V/LAs are all ending soon! I know this thread is daunting! But we can't do anything properly until you get in here!

[Aristophanes]

Saudade, Tris did just enough in the slot to get scumreads and to be replaced. You should Iso them and give me some thoughts!

Like its only 52 posts shouldn't be very taxing!

You expect me to read a slot that i know is town and give you thoughts on why is it town?

Oh shit I got my replacements mixed up.
I meant Plum.

I want to see you read Plum and combine it with Shos' activity and give what yku can of a read!

Sorry about the name mixup, the request stands tho.

[Aristophanes]

Were not in this situation because "lol Lynch the Lurkers zomg!" Were in this situation because town players have remained active and engaged while scum players have not. Did you not consider this?

then why havent i seen a case that relates to his predecessor rather than the few catch up posts he made

Because you haven't read anything from before your replacement into the game, which happened simultaneously to shos'.

yeah but it should be easy for ya'll to intuitively spew out some sentences as to why his slot is scum, and none of you havent.

Plum reads very empty. Like there's a surface of content and meaning but it doesn't become anything. I'll scum-bank this one.

That was the reason from my Iso. Wanna dispute it?
Oh wait, I could tell you they claimed to be an alien sent down by Lady GaGa to destroy us and you wouldn't be able to dispute it because you refuse to look for yourself!

No im not rereading

If you won't put in the effort why should we spoonfeed you?

[Aristophanes]

No im not rereading

It's not rereadong if yku never read it in the first place!

[Aristophanes]

I think you are just wrong sorry
Lynching rc will create a much better game for everyone, i am no god but hes done enough to warrant a rope

He and Math just worked together for, like, a whole evening. We need more of that not a PL on a towny.

[Aristophanes]

Your insistence here is frustrating because you have given nothing to back your stances and refuse to read back and find any. How am I supposed to take you seriously? How do you expect to convince anyone of things!?

[Aristophanes]

I've got to get ready for work. Hopefully the inactives show up sometime in the next 10 hours so I can evaluate my reads there.

[Aristophanes]

Catching up.

I almost want to lynch Saudade so he will shut up!
And that''s saying something in a game this size.

[Aristophanes]

Ari isn't scum. Skitter<->Saudade makes a lot of sense.

Then why am I shot over you?

Either I am right on my Skitter read now or Ari is scum.

Otherwise I agree. Ari and Skitter both cannot be town without Ico having planned this as a gambit which seems so implausible as to discredit the notion unless Lylo.

I still say I wouldn't have shot you, Math.

[Aristophanes]

At first I was afraid I was petrified
Kept thinking I could never live without duck by my side
But then I spentall night one thinking how he did me wrong
and I grew strong
and I learned how to get along

But now he's back from dead pt
I just walked to find him here with those bad reads upon his keys
I should have spent another kill, i should have strongmanned his ass dead
if i'd have known for a second he'd be back despite my bad duck no bread

<3

[Aristophanes]

i just really need to talk to Ari/Teacher/Skitter

Yooooo

Sup?

[Aristophanes]

i can be here till ~10:30 est but then i gotta bounce, i have to be at work an hour and half early tomorrow, fml

Hey skitty! I too am around to chat atm if you got shit for me

I also have a 12 hour work day tomorrow so I feel ya ahaha

[Aristophanes]

i just really need to talk to Ari/Teacher/Skitter

Yooooo

Sup?

Basically?

Your entire in thread trajectory suggests that you should be voting Tris/Saudade, your associatives aren't great, Tris refused to vote you yesterday at deadline, but you have declined to vote Saudade in situations where you really should have ended up voting him several times and in an increasingly narrow pool of people who can potentially be scum, you stand out as a buddy to him.

I can't force you to vote Saudade here but if you don't I'm basically going to assume that you're scum and go after him with everything I've got.

Catching up.

I almost want to lynch Saudade so he will shut up!
And that''s saying something in a game this size.

[Aristophanes]

Seriously tho I have considered him the weakest in my town pile as mentioned and am very close to shuffling him into the scum pile.

Sat what you will about going with the flow of the thread but that's where I'm at.

Also, he's fucking obnoxious to play with! Like damn man!

[Aristophanes]

Fantastic movie! I gotta rewatch it!

I think everyone can agree that Saudade is scum when I flip town. I'd like you to extrapolate from that.
Do you really think that he, as town, has this ISO in relation to me ever? Like ignore my alignment for a second, doesn't he _have_ to be bussing me if I'm scum?
Like you can place me as town and he's scum pushing a mislynch and you can place me as scum and he's tmi bussing me but I think it's really obvious that his push on me is disingenuous

and the fact that we can't get anyone to care about his wagon today isn't a good sign for his alignment either

Seriously though, go look at Tris again. How is that slot ever town? Plum had bad moments but she also had really good ones. Tris's iso is just... completely devoid of townfeels.

Seriously tho I have considered him the weakest in my town pile as mentioned and am very close to shuffling him into the scum pile.

Sat what you will about going with the flow of the thread but that's where I'm at.

Also, he's fucking obnoxious to play with! Like damn man!

Ok. Please vote him.

Considering it. Shos seems to be putting effort forth and I hope to read that slot better.
Saudade I think has avoided questions a few times in different ways.

Let me think about it a bit first. I don't just want to be a sheep.

[Aristophanes]

i can be here till ~10:30 est but then i gotta bounce, i have to be at work an hour and half early tomorrow, fml

Hey skitty! I too am around to chat atm if you got shit for me

I also have a 12 hour work day tomorrow so I feel ya ahaha

hey, how are you still feeling about the shos wagon ?

Heya!

I like the makeup of the wagon minus Flopz who should do SOMETHING but I kinda want to give the guy a chance here. He's legit putting efforts forth and I want to see what he has to say! And I have a feeling it might take an extra day phase to get that tbh. No harm in letting him live the day tbh because if he doesn't deliver he's done.

What do you think of a shift to Saudade?

[Aristophanes]

It matters because scum you and scum skitter would know depending upon what Ico is who should make the kill. Jailkeeper vs Doc have different people do kills.

This is a really silly thing for us to care about.

So you’re scum then, sweet.

I rest my case.

^^ RC called himself scum peoples.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Saudade

Yeeting this vote out there

[Aristophanes]

flopz is scaring me tbh,
i kinda feel like he's had a lot of time to sort of gather thoguths and like ~play~ he's been here since mid-day1 already (like pre rc/tw i think because i remember he voted you during the ehight of your wagon in one of his first posts) and i still feel like we don't have much out of him

Yeah, it's a slot we need shit from because yes, IIRC they jumped on me opportunistically like they did Shos and it's just yuck.

[Aristophanes]

Ari can you say what you liked about shos catxhup/posting? I feel like it’s all been purportedly hi to, which gives max flexibility and deniability to say “well, now I’ve caught up and disagree”

I also never saw the RCE thing explained

Which RCE thing was I to explain? I apologize if I missed it.

It is mostly Hito but he's put that on the backburner for now to do the thread first.

A few things. He's making the effort, which if nothing else is appreciated. He also sounded like the frustration was pretty legit when complaining about not being able to catch up and focus and I respect that.

I don't know that is makes him more towny, just that efforts form the slot are something I can work with and if he does put in the effort we need he can be properly sorted sans Plum shit.

[Aristophanes]

7. Xtoxm - from the not so little I've seen, I'm leaning further scum there.

???

They have like, no posts and have been V/LA about 90% of the game.

Can you do an Iso or give reasons here because this sentence explains nothing and has raised my eyebrow.

[Aristophanes]

7. Xtoxm - from the not so little I've seen, I'm leaning further scum there.

???

They have like, no posts and have been V/LA about 90% of the game.

Can you do an Iso or give reasons here because this sentence explains nothing and has raised my eyebrow.

I wasn't aware that he's vla. Being vla throughout an entire game especially in this size is rather bad, lol.

Anyway, the posts he does post are just bad. It doesn't look like there's any genuine attempt to further town win cond. No analysis. Just shallow words in response to some very specific things which aren't all that interesting

Okay, That's good words! Thanks shos, it helps a lot

I think his V/la tag ran out literally this morning so I can see how you missed it just via that funny timing.

There has been talk of lynchjng him or pressuring him a few times but it was essentially useless until he could provide content which I am really hoping happens soon so he can be read. If it doesn't, I think your vote is well placed.

Why was Saudade left blank in your reads? He is the leading wagon atm and has posted plenty.

[Aristophanes]

Also, yes Ari. I know that Sausage is Tris and Shos is Plum.

Cool!
Sorry I had to ask I just say so little engagement it seemed necessary to clarify.

I don't remember if there was a secondary reason behind the Q but oh well haha

[Aristophanes]

Skitter30 is scum here for voting me

Ari is town
And I dont feel like reading back... At all

If you wanted to say more words on these two things I'd appreciate it

Understandably my alignment is coming into question with how amazingly (read badly) I've been playing this game. Would people find it helpful if I linked my previous off-site game which is probably quite helpful as I was scum there.

I probably wouldn't read it but might quickscan it?
Also you've been V/la most of the game it seems so Iunno how much we can compare the two tbh.

Tbh I'm always partial to a Sausage vote. I saw talk of Scum Saudade cranking his obnoxiousness to 11 and from what I've seen of his previous behaviour this does seem to be somehow be the case. (The fact that you can keep going so high will forever astound me)
VOTE: Saudade
Shift in vote is also based on the voting behaviours of my TR's (mainly Math, Ico and RC).

Lol Sausage. Where did that nickname even come from!? XD

Is this vote only based on sheeping of the votes your townies have made and the assumption that this is to his scum meta?
I would love it if you could break this down and give us some reasons of your own

[Aristophanes]

delve into this shit-canyon of a game (I just made this up),

Btw this will probably be the best thing I read today and I thought you should know I loved it XD

Off to work now, have fun y'all

[Aristophanes]

ari i havent been vla 90% wtf
i was vla for like a week and i dont think i even hit a prod timer
i wasnt vla at all on d1 either and was relatively active

Oh, sorry. Maybe we switched V/LAs
It just seemed that when I've been here you haven't been and I don't remember seeing you without the tag on your avi lol

[Aristophanes]

I think I'm done here, 3 out of 5 of the votes on me are there simply because RC is there, the other 2 are scum.
What an awful bunch of sheep you all are