Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

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ico as a claimed doc

i never claimed doc

more specifically, i never claimed my full role

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Hi Ari, have a look at my 6680 if you please. It's applicable to anyone who feels shos is better lynch then xtoxm right now.

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I jailkept rce night one, which was why I was so waffly on my read yesterday - I thought he was town but the no kill really confused me. It's also why j was less happy to just jump on 'we have two conf town'. I'm outing this now as my role was only n1-2. Obviously there is a world in which rce and ico are both scum, mechanically.

What is your read on me, bella?

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I jailkept rce night one, which was why I was so waffly on my read yesterday - I thought he was town but the no kill really confused me.

You do realize the implications you are saying here, right?

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I'm a simple doc btw

can only target vanilla roles

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*can only protect* vanilla roles

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-read up-
Okok someone make order in this. What claims do we have?

this is literally like 5 posts above this one

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@Bella, any crumbs?

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Bella!
Thanks for the claim, that's interesting.

Claims/flips so far are:
- Town Joat (Detective, Tracker, Motion Detector)
- Doctor
- Jailkeeper
- Scum Multitasking Neighbourizer

How do these fit in together?

Me being a simple, doc, I think (with agreement of nomnom), that a scum strongman would balance this out nicely actually

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math are you actually scum here?

are you scum who tried to stop saud from being lynched and are now doing the same with xtoxm?

If we lynch xtoxm today, and that flips scum, math is like ++scum with Bella's claim in play wtf

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I was only night 1 and 2, technically I was an alien but it worked as a jk. If icos town pr also has limits on it, that makes sense?
Ive been town reading you since day one ico, but you must be able to see why I'm a bit concerned right now.

Not masses, but I'll go back and find, ico

What concerns? I crumbed my action, I softed my (what I strongly thought was an inno), up until the point I was forced to out.
If you protected me, jailed me in fact, I think that should enforce your townread and not add doubts?

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Ari, there's no need to push math tho.

But if we lynch Xtoxm, and that's scum, Math makes a ton of sense

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ok that's good crumbs thanks

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For you to be scum, ico, you'd have to be scum -with- math and that could all have been arranged. But again, that sounds paranoid. I just wasnt expecting a no kill night one and was last night!

Oh i understand you alright. None was more surprised then me waking up today lol

Which is why scum strongman makes sense to me. Scum thought I am doc that would be protecting RC, so they strongman the kill on RC.

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not pushing a quicklynch, just strongly feeling xtoxm is best lynch today

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I jailkept rce night one

Btw I'd totally go for an RCE ISO today with possibility of lynch

You realize an jailkeep and no night kill can implicate either a save or a guilty, right?
Why so quick to draw lynch conclusion?

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@RCE updated reads upon RC flip please

I remember smt about there being exactly 1 scum in (RCE/RC) according to you

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the more i think about this the more town!shos becomes likely

How he's handling and reacting to the neighbour claiming feels really townie

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My reads are pretty much RC's dying reads with myself taken out of the scum pile.

which are?

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Yeah please continue on that solve.

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I think I'm sticking to a townread on Flopz. Like, newbie town. I mean no disrespect.

Completely agree on Xtoxm and shos not together, but +++++chance of 1 scum in there.

And my latest hottest take rn is something I will only take action on if Xoxm is scum -> Math is scum

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xtoxm flip points to math scum

and to shos town

and to flopz town

many info

shos flip points to ??

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hmmm lemme go check smt

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My wagon is a mix of radiantscumfuck, wolfy slots and a bunch of people who don't really think I'm scum but want the day over.

Anyone who thinks this hits red is deluded.

where the fuck are my teammates?

This might actually be the grossest mislynch I've seen in two years and I've seen some pretty dense mislynches. You are lynching a townie to try and fix the gamestate. I am clearly not the scumslot in this dichotomy and I am not the problem. EVEN AFTER SPAM POSTING MY THOUGHTS I STILL HAVE LESS THAN HALF HIS POSTS.

When I green:
- nobody touches math for the rest of the game.
- nobody touches rce for the rest of the game.
- nobody touches ico for the rest of the game.
- RC is lynched tomorrow. He autodies.
- I don't think RC was bussing Ari this phase but that's not for me to decide.

If anyone breaks from this path they are outright fucking gamethrowing.

it's not out of this world that scum decided to kill in these reads

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oh yeah, this confirms duckling/RC was in fact TvT.

Seriously tho, most of these ugly fights tend to be just that

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I softed protective when I went against RC on D1 saying I thought it was incredibly unlikely he would be NK'd. At that time I thought to be protecting him. By the end of D1, I considered Math was the most likely NK.

Anyone saying after this that scum DELIBERATELY NK'd is either drunk or scum

??????
Like how could a “vanilla doc” do this, ya? Am I missing something.

can you rephrase your question?

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Do you really think someone would shoot RCE N1?

IIRC, RCE was widely townread by the EoD1, and he was in the duck's final will as unlyncheable this game.

I'm saying it's not as unlikely as people are assuming

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you guys believed that early D1 claim?

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I softed protective when I went against RC on D1 saying I thought it was incredibly unlikely he would be NK'd. At that time I thought to be protecting him. By the end of D1, I considered Math was the most likely NK.

Anyone saying after this that scum DELIBERATELY NK'd is either drunk or scum

??????
Like how could a “vanilla doc” do this, ya? Am I missing something.

can you rephrase your question?

RC was claimed detective.
You can only protect vanilla.
Why would you plan to save someone who, if town and honest, you could not save?

have you ever played any game before with RC?

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RC's meta is literally Always claim early D1 as any allignment, VT, or PR

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did *anyone* here actually believe that claim?

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I mean, if you continue your thoughts then you are assuming that I:

1)Faked an inno Math, saving him from RC. RC, who's town, would have had 2 mislynches on his name. He gets lynched D3 if I let him hang Math.
2)Crumb and hint towards having protected math, only to be forced out by RC? And on D3 I start turning my read on Math? For what?

I think you know my play is only compatible with town, not scum

But I understand your paranoia lol

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I think my issue is it seems too easy to have 2 or more sscums in some of the least productive slots of the game - it's never that easy.

who are you talking about if you say that?

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Sorry, I meant shos. I didn't want him lynched yesterday and I don't today.

which slots were you referring to specifically if you say that most scum are unlikely to be in the lurkers?

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skitter ur literally coming to the same conclusions i am, with the exception of flopz

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i'm just gonna write this down because why not

scum!math explains why town had such a hard time coming together

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@math

can you see where i'm coming frm?

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i do like initially like bellas claim
but theres also a scum motivation in putting doubt on ico/math in the universe their both town
so massclaim probably should be finished today
to lock scum into claims if nothing else
but like whatever.

this is shading and fencesitting, scummy

well saud wasnt in the game yet, it was tris, but she never actually posted there so your guess is as good as mine.
i posted once to acknowledge its existence.
saud didnt seem particularly..friendly to talk to.

scum don't just neighbourize, they tend to want something from it. Otherwise they just don't use their action. Hard to believe neither scum used it

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xtoxm - shos - fill in the rest for mass claim in order

or popcorn

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I was kinda hoping I was killed and wouldn’t have to relook into stuff.

how are you EVER the kill, with 2 claimed PR's

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tris wouldn't have NB'd Xtoxm and then not say anything

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UNVOTE:

massclaim first

Xtoxm, claim and then shos can claim

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Bella jk me, math

How do I make sense with xroxm exectly?

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I was only night 1 and 2, technically I was an alien but it worked as a jk. If icos town pr also has limits on it, that makes sense?
Ive been town reading you since day one ico, but you must be able to see why I'm a bit concerned right now.

Not masses, but I'll go back and find, ico

I am thinking scum attempted to hood me if you jailkept me
Then Ico as traitor was shot (or if Ico was not shot the traitor was)

This makes sense for the lack of kill and I was saved I am just thinking wrong save

RCE+ico+Xtom?

VOTE: xtom

If you need all of this to be justify a possible scum team you may just as well scum claim

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I jk rce first, then ico. The neighborising that slot is super strange? Scum neighboriser is so powerful and seems so wasted

Xtom, what exactly is your issue with my claim? You've shaded it twice now but not explained why.

Then my theory is wrong. Lol moonlogic

So RCE could be the killer and attempted to kill anyone else and then Ico was milking me for cred and Xtom could be telling the truth and town. Odds are he is scum but RCE+Ico look really bad.

Why did I bother saving you from rc if I'm scum?

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Omg math is actually scum

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I jk rce first, then ico. The neighborising that slot is super strange? Scum neighboriser is so powerful and seems so wasted

Xtom, what exactly is your issue with my claim? You've shaded it twice now but not explained why.

Then my theory is wrong. Lol moonlogic

So RCE could be the killer and attempted to kill anyone else and then Ico was milking me for cred and Xtom could be telling the truth and town. Odds are he is scum but RCE+Ico look really bad.

Why did I bother saving you from rc if I'm scum?

Simple answer you didn’t.

RC just is RC.

Excuse me? You were yesterday lynch without my saving you

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Omg math is actually scum

RCE+Ico

Lynch me today/tomorrow then speed lynch RCE and Ico.

Ur not even engaging with my day opening posts

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In any case xtowm is still the lunch rn

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VOTE: math

@teacher i am fine with massclaim, might as well since it seems like most of town power is out at this point

Oooh RCE Skitter Ico hot damn!

???

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Suad Xtoxm math is v possible

Look at my previous reasoning

The one math is ignoring

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You realize that a scum flipped, right ?

Yes and I think there is a traitor.

You

need

a traitor in order to justify your reads here

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I was kinda hoping I was killed and wouldn’t have to relook into stuff.

Um ...
There's really no universe where u were the nk last night

I feel like ur trying to push this 'obvs i am conftown narrative' that doesnt really match with the facts, like now, and yesterday when u freaked out that i questioned you being conftown before ico confirmed he was on you

Again didn’t say my hope was logical. I was drained from this game

Drained? Upon a scum flip? I felt regenerated when I saw that

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Math plz talk about your relation to the both lunches that happened?

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I was kinda hoping I was killed and wouldn’t have to relook into stuff.

Um ...
There's really no universe where u were the nk last night

I feel like ur trying to push this 'obvs i am conftown narrative' that doesnt really match with the facts, like now, and yesterday when u freaked out that i questioned you being conftown before ico confirmed he was on you

Again didn’t say my hope was logical. I was drained from this game

Drained? Upon a scum flip? I felt regenerated when I saw that

The entire reason Xtom is suspicious is the entire reason I doubt my save is genuine

None of what anyone claims makes sense and Xtom being scum is too “easy”

Strange because the current claims make perfect sense if scum have a thee power like strongman

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Math plz talk about your relation to the both lunches that happened?

I don’t understand the question and gotta go

You were on town lunch

Strong against scum lynch

And were blocking obv scum push in Xtoxm by diverting to shos who was starting to town up

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Omg math is actually scum

RCE+Ico

Lynch me today/tomorrow then speed lynch RCE and Ico.

I dont get it, this doesnt seem like a real position to have

I mean if RCE being jailed prevented the lynch and then Ico lied about being protective it makes sense under that train of logic.

That's v risky for scum because you risk being counterclaim Ed on the spot

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Don't lynch for at least another 48 hours

I am gonna gif it up in the morning

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What’s really telling is that if I am scum (which I am not)

Then scum don’t kill me.

Then where’s the missing kill in that case? RCE would have to be scum in that world except Ico and Skitter attack me.

It’s rather telling.

You are conveniently leaving out the fact that rce could have been saved

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When/if I flip town, lynch Mathblade then the lurker pile that I listed.

If you actually flip town, I will consider revisiting my Math read

Funny how this turned out

Shade? I'm pointing out that everyone's been assuming you were a protective with an inno on Mathblade when that's not true and it was the main reason to townread both of you.

sure i'm a protective

better tell your team to come kill me

ok since everyone and their mother is insisting that we stop throwing shade at scum but are just handing doc!Ico on a platter to them

I hardclaim a protective

Math is inno

We are lynching shos today. If that flips scum, RC is next.

I softed protective when I went against RC on D1 saying I thought it was incredibly unlikely he would be NK'd. At that time I thought to be protecting him. By the end of D1, I considered Math was the most likely NK.

Anyone saying after this that scum DELIBERATELY NK'd is either drunk or scum

Here my claim of protective
I only claimed doc d 3 but I was first to claim

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Math plz talk about your relation to the both lunches that happened?

I don’t understand the question and gotta go

You were on town lunch

Strong against scum lynch

And were blocking obv scum push in Xtoxm by diverting to shos who was starting to town up

Math thoughts?

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Also math ur voting rce which go called Town by both rc and worst, and who is probably protected by a power role

Why?

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Flopz

Can you tell me what I have to gain by claiming protective on math?

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As scum I mean

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This isn't a LAMISTy question but a Noobie one. In these types of games is it normal for there to be so many VTs?

4 town power roles to 2 or 3 scum depending how strong

Maybe 3 town and two scum power roles

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Umm I made a mistake
VOTE: RCE
this is superior to Math

no, we are not lynching RCE today. Or at least, not with my support.

Same to you at Ico -- what was it titled?

I'm a simple doc

Lmao everyone claimed VT XD

Obv the scum are in there somewhere.

Ico, does the "simple" modifier say it only works on vanilla roles or on VT specifically?

I can only protect vanilla roles from a nightkill

Just got home can’t keep up.

Traitor imho is required or Bella+Ico has to have a scum.

One protective + 1 shot strongman = balanced
Two protectives + perma strongman = balanced

Kill failed latter not possible. So traitor required and/or one scum in Bella/Ico required

Of the two Ico is most likely considering Xtom likely lynchbait

With all the townreads of Ari I was likely not the kill forcing RCE scum so RCE + Ico

Traitor is skitter because skitter knows my scum game and this ain’t it and RC was also beginning to suspect Skitter before he died

Ok guys I think I figured it out. Math is suffering from head trauma after Bella's claim because this is probably what happened:



Or he's just scum, caught pants down and is trying to get something to stick?

Math, for whenver you are back:

In a situation where there is no kill N1, you think scum!Ico first crumbs -- and then claims -- protective? When scum!Ico knows there is a protective out there, and so it is liable to be counterclaimed? When Ico is already fairly heavily townread, and so would be sacrificing a survivor position in order to........what exactly?????????

Im sorry, just no. Like your reads have gone way too far round the bend for me to believe any serious person could possibly hold them.

VOTE: Math

Heavily inclined to go with a vote on Math as well, over xtoxm (who I think is the better lynch, before math openwolfing)
Would like to see this answered, because math has been ignoring every single callout and question i'm sending his way

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Setup is imbalanced as fuck

2 shot alien
a doc that can't target PR's
a JOAT

v

neighbourizer
and ?? (really think strongman would make a TON of sense here)

How is this SO unbalanced you cannot possibly comprehend this?
The alien interferes with town power as well mind you.

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None of you make sense

Have you considered you are the one not making sense here?

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Maybe they weren’t crumbs and he took advantage of my theory.

Ok fair enough. Why did I claim it anyway?

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Otherwise you end up with a 25% kill fail rate which seems broken.

your

math

is wrong

alien interferes with the second protective, and the doc can't protect 2 of the other townies

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VOTE: math

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i dont think this is townsided at all. it looks a tad on the weak side of what i typically expect from the nrg.

Hi xtoxm

weak for who exactly?

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{ico, math, rce}
{skitter, teacher, ari, flopz}
{bella, shos}

i have some issues with bellas claim so pending the massclaim i'll see what that means for her/possibly rce.
my reads are not at all confident this game.

rc probably mentioned it first? i dont know. havent been reading everything

Can you start responding to the most urgent matters at hand, mostly being Math going off the charts here?

Can you update your reads with your new information (bella town?)
Do you honestly scumread shos? If so, why?

Who's the scumteam according to you?

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What good would a strongman be for scum here?They would have to fail a kill to know to use it.

Scum having a strongman HEAVILY implicates a protective.

Are you serious right now? Yeah 'what good is a strongman in a protective setup' right?

As for the second part, guess what. They failed a kill and HIGLY likely used it to kill RC

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Can you please just answer how my actions make ANY sense to you as scum?

Why did I crumb? Why did I claim? Why did I save you from RC? All as scum? KNOWING there's at least 1 actual protective out there as well.

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You said it yourself, you strongly feel I claimed DOC, not protective. Why the fuck take a chance like that as scum, after a FAILED nk?

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there is no way NRG would approve scum likely not having a kill N1 just no.

That's true. If only certain roles existed to counter this… Oh yeah. Strongman.

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Math, can you understand your behaviour today is really strange to everyone?

You were HEAVILY invested into this game when RC was alive. Now there's a scum lynch, RC (the one who was draining you this game) is dead.

And now ur done with this game?

How do you think that looks?

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Can you please just answer how my actions make ANY sense to you as scum?

Why did I crumb? Why did I claim? Why did I save you from RC? All as scum? KNOWING there's at least 1 actual protective out there as well.

I don’t know.

However I used that same argument in Shadowrun. When I crumbed jailkeeper Day One.

Then I coasted.

I may not be able to explain but I know something isn’t right here.

I didn't just crumb. I crumbed, then crumbed heavily, then straight out claimed investigative with extreme pointers to being doc. After there was no NK. And right now it turns out there isn't another doc.

Yet you scumread me. How?

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Strongman doesn’t counter two protectives

only there aren't 2 full protectives.

A 2 shot alien and a weaker doc amounts to just about 1 full doc (maybe slightly over?)

Your insistence that this is just absolutely never ever EVER possible when EVERYONE else is telling you this is p good balance especially if scum have an additional power, is extremely weird for town to have.

Then you also went so hard against the scumlynch yesterday. You were on the worst lynch.
Now today you AGAIN go against town early when we were pushing xtoxm.

You NEVER worked together with the townblock.

After having the information that ur actually not conftown, I'm having a hard time seeing your play this game as town.

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you never stopped engaging with RC

and now that we are solving the game after a scumflip ur friggin done with the game because??

but ok

bye

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i'm fine lynching him now

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There’s no way if Xtom is scum he claims neighbor none

Scum didn't use their ability, safe claim.

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Unless of course I am right and there is scum traitor and it’s Skitter

Oh no! Math can’t be right!

On which slots that flipped were you right up until now?

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Then you’re scumreading me for disagreeing

i'm scumreading you but not for that

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Math, I don't think i'm treating you unfairly rn?

Having discussions is part of the game, and our discussion isn't even close to toxic so why are you so worked up about it?

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math, my team thinks the setup is balanced

Both nomnom and DDL agree

they do say scum have likely an extra power, and are divided between a small investigative or smt like a strongman

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UNVOTE: by request of my ENTIRE team

they say math is wrong, but used other words for 'wrong'

but probs town on tone mostly

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please stand by, SubOtimAl mAth teampost incoming

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I will TL;DR my team thoughts

The setup as is, is balanced with addition of a probably scum power. X-shot investigative, strongman, x-shot JK maybe. Something like that.

Math is wrong about pretty much everything he's saying D3. My team is divided in their read on math. DDL thinks he's scum by play, Espee thinks town by tone and feel.

In the discussion about how Math NOR RCE make sense as the N1 kill they provide a simple yet amazingly good answer: they weren't. RC, who is now flipped town, is 1.000.000% of the time the NK.

This heavily suggests RCE scum who got JK'd. Everyone is in STRONG agreement RCE needs to flip today.

Espe gut says teacher is last scum, based on nothing but gut.
Espe also says hi to Bella.

DDL: Several players are independently scummy:Xt, shos and plum, teacher

Morale of them (they literally forced me into this): ALWAYS lynch RCE today

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Around. Not read up.

I'm sorry you got blocked out of your N1 kill attempt at killing RC. That would have saved us about 100 pages.
Blaming Bella.

We should all blame Bella.

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If scum have to decide a NK between you or RC, occam razor suggests scum tried RC n1.

Which implicates you as scum :s

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Further espe thoughts:

The lack of kill N1 was caused by either RCE or math being the NK target, or RCE being the killer. First 2 are more unlikely then the latter.

A bit of a repeat, but espe is explicit in this.

Espe directly @math: GET OFF YOUR SETUP TUNNEL AND LOOK BACK TO N1

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yo math if you are actually town, you will have to acknowledge at some point you were really not making a lot of sense lol

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@espe Please like continue how I don’t make sense here and then just literally take my argument.That is irritating as fuck

math, espe means you no harm. It's not about your RCE vote which is literally the ONLY thing you are making sense of this day.

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It's about your traitor thoughts, your setup spec, your turn on me, your being drained despite your nemesis being Nk'd and having a scumflip etc

those things all make no sense

can you at least understand that ?

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ok let's assume we lynch RCE and that flips scum

who's the third?

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Don't really disagree with you there.

Shos has associatives with RCE, but i need to look further to prove this.
Deepwolf according to my feelings is teacher rather then skitter tho.

However how skitter was 'enabling' my push on you, math, did feel off (gut)

Ok glad we have this talk lol

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VOTE: RCE

If ur town, you realize you have to go anyway. Chances are just against you in the NK possible scenarios

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She literally has gut feelings on me that are right after a single push

I don’t see teacher breaking up me and RC fighting if scum

Titus sees teacher scum but it seems moonlogicky to me

First off, i'm not gonna pay attention to a 2-yr old game

Second, I agree on teacher. I townread the slot. My team says he could be deepwolf.

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I'm trying to make up my mind about xtoxm.

He claims to be NB'd, but as scum he could easily just claim the opposite and nothing happens. Him claiming it and saying there's nothing there puts him in a worse spot as scum then just claiming not NB'd.

My mind tells me he's more likely town then scum by his claim.

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Scum!shos comes back into play, time to reread there now

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yo math, espe tells you it's fine because you both reach same conclusion

espe doesn't really agree with your whole process but that it doesn't matter

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@math, do you scumread me on play?

or is it really just your mind that went blank because the setup doesn't make sense according to you?

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@Bella, did you provide a reason for targeting RCE?

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I could compromise there if RCE scum but Skitter would have to have a hella bad game or just be predisposed to scumreading me

i'm not oblivious to bussing being a thing, but skitter did lead the scum lynch on saud D2, which counts for a lot in my book

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hmmm

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I don't think Math + RCE makes a ton of sense right now

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ok let's assume we lynch RCE and that flips scum

who's the third?

Humor me and consider the converse for me. What changes when I flip town? What are your reads looking like in that case?

I want you to answer this first.

If we lynch you and you flip town

what would be your dying breath solve right now?

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If that's your take, then all of xtoxm/math/rce town…

which means 2 scum in skitter/teacher?

i do'nt really like that solve?

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oh yeah shos

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@7040ico:
Seriously? Teacher scummy? One of my firmest townreads

i don't say i scumread teacher

but the PoE is what it is?

who's the scumteam, shos?

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Let's see

Ico town / doc
Bella town / alien
Xtoxm probably town / being NB'd by scum
Math probs town
Shos ?
Skitter in discussion, I think town because of D2 saud lynch but still need to look into that - math strongly disagrees
RCE scum probably. But if this is town then??

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that's from the top of my head

actual playerlist:

1.Mathblade Vorkuta
2.RCEnigma
3.Aristophanes
4.Iconeum
5.shos Plum
6.Bellaphant
7.Xtoxm
8.Flopz Thilbert
9.teacher
10.skitter30

So Ari isn't on my mind. Hmm.
Flopz is ++town.

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Ico/Bella
Flopz
Xtoxm/Shos
Math
Teacher
Skitter
RCE


I have no clue where I'm placing Ari tbh

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fuck, i don't even know how skitter ends up so low

replace skit with shos?

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Is trisaud/RCE/ari a solve that sounds legit?

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I think they have +chance of using RCE as the killer on RC n1

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That's why you are objectively the best lynch today.

First off, there is just a higher probability of scum targetting the monster that is RC on N1, which means you are scum.
Second, there are a lot more scumteam possibilities that include rather then exclude you.

When you asked what solve I have if you flip town, it's still hurting my brain.

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Implicating we don't lynch RCE today, the same questions and suspicions around your slot won't be gone by any flip I think

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Ari flip doesn't do much for the game tho

or at least not as much as your flip

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i'm trying to

and i'm also trying to account for the possibility of you being town

And i want to get it all out of the way today because i'm 99% sure the NK

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UNVOTE:

VLA weekend

we have plenty of time, no lynch during weekend plz

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@xtoxm, did you ever crumb being NB'd?

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there are several slots to revisit before ending this day

ari/shos

more on xtoxm

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Ari also hard defended and town cased saud scum when his iso was shit. It takes real effort to do that and I think we need to look at Ari again

i specifically remember ari being hard on saud's ass, not defending him

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ari's 5355 is dedicated to saud defense

hmm

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Spoiler:

Catching up.

I almost want to lynch Saudade so he will shut up!
And that''s saying something in a game this size.

Seriously tho I have considered him the weakest in my town pile as mentioned and am very close to shuffling him into the scum pile.

Sat what you will about going with the flow of the thread but that's where I'm at.

Also, he's fucking obnoxious to play with! Like damn man!

VOTE: Saudade

Yeeting this vote out there

I think I'm done here, 3 out of 5 of the votes on me are there simply because RC is there, the other 2 are scum.
What an awful bunch of sheep you all are

This defeatism feels manipulative and scummy tbh Saudade.

Ari, can we talk about something?

It seems somewhat out of character for you to want to lynch Saudade just to shut him up. Agree? Disagree?

Agree.

I think he has some scum potential and I like shos less for the lynch today, as noted.

Of those left, Saudade is the most likely lynch with the most scum equity, and I once again like the wagon makeup for the most part.

Unvote me before you go you dumdum

but I like this vote

You've literally never once this game given a reason that you don't want to lynch Saudade btw
Also, you guys have the worst mutual associatives of possibly any slot in the game? So the fact that you're both hard defending each other without giving reasons isn't helping anyone if you're town.

Also, this.

Alright
I don't wanna lynch Saudade
Can anyone of those on his wagon tell me why they are there, pleaz?

Why not? What about this slot seems towny to you??

Alright
I don't wanna lynch Saudade
Can anyone of those on his wagon tell me why they are there, pleaz?

Why not? What about this slot seems towny to you??

I should also clarify that I know I made the "these are townposts" post earlier, but overall the slot has scummy associatives and is in the potential lynchpool so it's really the optimal slot for today, as RC noted earlier.

i'm p happy to end the day with a saudade lynch

pedit yeah he thinks no lynching is a good idea here apparently

Cool!

I'm not moving my vote for peace

Frustrating.

Teacher, Bella, someone! Vote Saudade so Math can hammer plz

This day

Make it end

Please

I don't mind if this loynch fails to go through, NL is an eligible option the way I see it. You're all going to get a big fat I TOLD YOU SO when you say 'shit, what do we do with this one' in lategame regarding xtomx

What is it with you and no lynching?

What is it with you and xtoxm!?

Wtf is it with you and not wanting to see Saudade lynched!?!?!?!?

allllll of this is ari pushing the saud lynch however
specifically the memes don't read S/S to me, but also his approach to the lynch isn't S/S according to me

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Ari/saudude really don't read like S/S in iso'ing them both together

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Flopz is never ever scum this game

i've locktowned him

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not ruling shos out however, even tho i think he was towning up lately

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RCE, why aren't you pushing shos harder?

From your PoV that should be lockscum?

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Math my team really wants you to get Titus and Deb to look into sorting RC. We all strongly believe RC to be scum here. FL is doubling down on Ico scum here.

RC not considering Ico scum when RC ended the day as claimed detective AND having the save end up elsewhere is suspicious. It seems likely Math is being setup as the conf!town patsy here to get him on scums side. A deep pocket.

This was a strange post to reread. Not sure what to make of it.

This is even worse than the saudade wagon lol. When I flip no one gets to argue RC as town. Not even a little bit. You guys don't get to Lynch TW by feeding into his bullshit then me for feeding into his bullshit and still consider a world that RC is town.

But this post is ++town. It's a really weird stance to take for scum!RCE. On tone this doesn't feel faked either.

Math Ico Skitter Bella teacher probably Ari town.

I haven't given thought to a third yet, I'll get around to thinking tomorrow. Also want to reread RCs thoughts on Shos particularly since just from what I remember of EOD shos pushing on Xtoxm could have just been trying to move the wagon but RC was an option at the time so that might not be the case. That's also like level 0.

On first sight I'd agree with your town core here.

But I want you to continue on this thought. I don't see how you can think this, and not push shos harder?

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After rereading RCE, I have a strong feeling he could be town actually

His stance on RC slot didn't make a ton of sense, because as scum he's caught pants down to anyone rereading him rn.
His approach to RC didn't feel faked. It had duck-level feelings to it.

Also not seeing any resistance to RCE lynch is a bit creepy.
I'm def not ready to lynch

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Why? Because they're calling me scum? Xtoxm could still be the scum in that pairing. I still haven't really double-checked RCs solves and thoughts on Shos. Or at least why he thought X on Shos or Y on Shos.

Because you have a large towncore. Other then Xtox and shos there's like nobody else left, and I think we are in agreement it's probably not exactly Xtoxm/shos?

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Yeah ur def against RCE

the only bad asso you have is wrt saud, but math has equally or worse asso with saud lynch and i doubt ur both scum so

(i'm sorry if i'm misrepping any of my spouting at any point, this game is HUGE and I don't promise I know it from the top of my head - but I do fact check :/)

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This literally all comes back down to RCE lol

I really thought I had this game more figured out then I do now, 24 hours later

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Im doing my Ari read through, since Im hitting a wall in Math/RC right now and a bit braindead. I came across a kinda weird stance in RCE's posting.

Correct me if Im wrong, but hes dead set on RC's lynch today (3748, 5022)

He's dead set that if RC is scum, Im his partner. (1724, 1732, 3750, 3774)

And he reads me as town (910, 1732, 4603)

Because that adds up to terrible positioning and logic?

who the fuck doesn't wanna be in the #roadto300?

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i was responding to shos wanting out of the game, not teacher lol

ignore quote ahum

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Guys iz Ico here

I love allll ov you

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Bye

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Oooh pt niice

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Yeah I'm never lynching teacher. Agree with everything he said on the last page.

+1 and aso skitter

xtomx's posting looks bad even when he does post.
I'm still in fvor of lynching RCE first but I really am sure that {Math, xtom, RCE} solves the game

Disagree. Rce and Skitter make more sense

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Below is a Titus paraphrase: (I don’t agree but ...*shrug*)

Hey everyone,

My VCA says we should leave RCE alone and go after shos and Flopz, if I am wrong on teacher. The only scum on the Flopz wagon in 1.8 was shos(will explain why no RCE soon). Shos is in the run people over with a vehicle with lots of wheels spot. 1.13 and 1.14 leave the teacher longshot as possible. Back half of the worst wagon is loaded with lots of people that are possibly scummy. That suggests a flip worst, lynch RC strategy.

N1, Scum kill RCE to get Math and RC fighting like cats and dogs. Bella healed him.

D2, Opening, Flopz jumps on Ari mislynch when Shos wagoned. Rule of adjoining peoples, Flopz and teacher unlikely. Teacher likely townbeard. Confscum on skitter wagon with no counter. Skitter locktown for today. 2.8 is a neon lynch Shos sign. 2.11-2.15, Flopz waffles on whether to use a vehicle for manslaughter of an evil person or stick with Math v RC plan. Sausade self hammer suggests at least one scum on.

I say to lynch shos and Flopz.

——— End Titus paraphrase ———
I disagree just being a good teammate

Shos/flopz is a bullshit bracket to lynch in
It's actually scummy to even think it tbh

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Flopz is way towniier then math

Shos is maybe scum, but def not with flopz

heavily in favour of RCE still ,and if that flips scum math is a v likely partner

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Willing to consider scum in shos if RCE flips town tho

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RCE, what do you make of ?Ico?'s point that you now kinda have to be resolved before mylo, speaking of?

Like rce scum, great. Rce town then math is town as well and the pool is narrow come next day

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VOTE: RCE

I think this is the only acceptable lynch today.
We need clarification about the N1 lack of a kill. The MOST likely option remains that RCE got blocked. If he flips scum, we don't have to lynch math, he's town.

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OK, I definitely faded at the end of this, but my review of Math's D3 in depth was interesting.

Lets just start with some surface level contradictions:

• RC is "literally one person" whom we should not "worship" 6669. No, we should follow RC. 7302
  
• RC was scumreading Skitter at EoD. 6972 6973. No, RC was FoSing RCE. 7292 7304
  
• Strongman IS the response to two protectives. 6697 No, strongman is NOT the response to two protectives. 7012; 7021
  
• 3 PRs is normal. 6898 No, 3 PRs is overpowered. 6984
  
• Acknowledges everyone has claimed. 68486898. No, “there may also be some PR claims hidden.” 6989; 6994
  (never mind that 3 PRs would already be OP -- or wouldnt -- depending on which of the past bullet you believe).
  
• Math’s D1 readslists 586 677. Math D3: “I don’t operate like that [give readslists]. It would be bullshit.” 7175

ITs the last bullet -- readslists -- that I want to focus on. Its because he needs to be able to push basically whomever the hell he wants. So far today he has called the following players scum:

• shos 6659; 6666
  
• xtomx 6789; 6803
  
• Ico 6816; 6820; 6864; 6911; 6967; 6987
  
• Skitter 6831 6967 6972 7064 7066
  
• Me (not linking, but clearly)
  
• RCE (same story)
  
• Bella - though primarily as a counterweight to Ico - 6967 7024 7029

That's quite literally EVERYBODY other than Ari and Flopz. Math's need for flexibility is also shown by his bizarre AF 9-4 theory. He mentions this theory in a bajillion posts. But here are the issues:

• Its quite obviously never the case with a town of this strength, ever, as I have shown. 7197; 7203
  
• He's pushing the traitor claim AT THE SAME TIME as pushing Bella/Ico, making town even weaker. 6848; 6864; 6874 (bella); 6911 (Ico); 6967; 6987; 7003; 7024; 7071; 7198
  
• He completely ignores that this theory would make tomorrow mylo on a mislynch, by suggesting town would have multiple more mislynches (including his own). 6911 7050 7246

Here's my bottom line. Math's entire reason for pushing RCE is Bella's claim. But Math is saying, repeatedly (see the second bullet in the last list) that the claims cannot both be true. Someone who yells this loud about mechanics without seeing an obvious flaw is not trying to solve. They're trying to see what sticks.

Especially the part about calling everyone scum. What exactly is scum!motivation in that accordign to you?

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yeah yeah
more bla bla bla
can we continue with lynching RCE.

yes

anyway teacher, your comment about you cant get rce above 40% got me thinking.

10 alive, lets remove bella/ico, 8 suspects. 2 scum => 25% odds of scum, or from a personal perspective, removing oneself, 28.5% (im not sure if its actually fair to do this)

youre framing it as:
math nk: 33%
rce nk: 33%
rce makes kill: 33%

so theres only a 4.5% chance above rand that rce is scum. not very significant right? wrong!

lets frame it another way.

12 slots alive n1. saud is known scum, so lets remove it from the nk pool, leaving 11.
remaining scum identities are unknown, so i think they have to be left in.

individual chance of each slot being nk is ~9.1%

math nk: 9.1%
rce nk: 9.1%
rce makes kill = sum over remaining 9 slots = 81.8%

when i think about it like this, theres no way to justify opposing the rce lynch bc of a tr.
81.8% is a massive improvement over rand.

i think this is the right way to model it, but i'd be interested in having my working proof read.
im more interested in the stats side than "player Y is 80% likely to be the nk bc i can read scums minds"

I townread xtoxm for this post. It really pings me with townie feelingqs.

Like if I could nuke RCE,Teacher,and Skitter and see their flips I think the game is over.

Agreed with this. RCE today, if scum then skitter next. But with teacher's last couple posts i'm really doubting this coudl be wolf as well.

I’ll do shos or ari as well. My vote won’t go outside those three.

wtf

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What exactly is scum!motivation in that accordign to you?

Seeing what sticks/board temp?

He starts on shos, the wagon from yesterday. Moves to xtomx on your push, then shifts to you (you! - who claimed doc and saved him) when xtomx isn’t happening due to the neighborize, etc. it’s just not a natural outlook to push both 9-4 and you scum, so it makes me feel like he’s intentionally shading the locktown.

all things a lot more likely to come from town then scum

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I don't agree with literally any of the theory crafting math did, especially his setup analysis. It was plain bad/terrible/insane.

But if we look at the likelyhood of things, it's just a LOT more plausible that RCE got blocked then either of math/RCE got saved.

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Ico you shouldn't be townreading zxtomx for that post. Math is iioa and nai.

xtoxm still town

his claim adds town points as well

shos/flopz/xtoxm/math probably all town

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Here's my bottom line. Math's entire reason for pushing RCE is Bella's claim. But Math is saying, repeatedly (see the second bullet in the last list) that the claims cannot both be true. Someone who yells this loud about mechanics without seeing an obvious flaw is not trying to solve. They're trying to see what sticks.

It seems to me less like an Opportunistic Scum that is trying to open as many possible mislynch opportunities as possible but more like a Townie with a very very very active imagination. Maths' ravings seem more like a crazed detective trying to publicly unravel the mystery than anything else (he's definitley try to see what sticks but it doesn't seem like it's in a disengenious way). He's been like this since the start of the game and I would like to hope that if he was scum he would try to go about this in a more subtle way.

it's time to lynch RCE, folks

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well this is awkward

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and yes that's pretty much the entire extent of words i have right now

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1 on 1 off wagon most likely?

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math/teacher
math/skitter
ari/skitter
ari/teacher

if it's not one of these I think we already lost

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yesterday i wasn't considering shos

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jezus christ xtoxm iso is ridiculously bad

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lit the only thing that made me townread him was his claim

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dont think shos-rc is all that likely tbh, i think rc would somehow make things look cleaner between them?
idk

@Ico I really wanna townblock RCE

i think he'd be a solid pick up for you guys

p-ed
@math

Xtox come back here I'm going to force you to talk and then vote rc

im notoriously difficult to force to talk

Great, name your top townread and your top scumread as of right now

reads based, rce
but its gotta go to doc. ico

top sr- bella

{ico, math, rce}
{skitter, teacher, ari, flopz}
{bella, shos}

i have some issues with bellas claim so pending the massclaim i'll see what that means for her/possibly rce.
my reads are not at all confident this game.

rc probably mentioned it first? i dont know. havent been reading everything

on another note, re-checked my math read but still came back to thinking hes town
not interested at all in lynching math as the alternative to rce

VOTE: rce
L-1

Hard townreads RCE until he votes him. And the 1 post to justify it is math? I don't like it...

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i don't know if i have the energy/will to defend math again, from his UGLY last day opening

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i'm exactly where i was yesterday on him

Absolutely hated his opening and response to the claims
But it was so completely out of the left field that I'm having a hard time thinking it can actually come from scum?

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But he also has the terrible aso with saud so I don't know

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I'm taking it slow until everyone has checked in

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He's also been exactly wrong on i think every lynch wagon we've had, including the scum one.

everyone except RCE?

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Like, he's been wrong on every FLIP with the exception of RCE

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he was wrong on scum!tw
he was wrong on town!saudude
he was correct with town!rce

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He thought rce was scum ?

that's not how i remember it

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i remember math speaking out, loudly, against RCE lynch during most of the day

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well i'm wrong about that, ok

just reread all of that :s

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I'm not trying to be dishonest or misrep Math. I genuinly remembered it like that…

But I reread it and i'm clearly mistaken lol

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My current feelings this game

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I need to go back (yeah fun right), and see what is wrong with my reads.

REALLY felt like a strong town wagon on RCE

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Have we massclaimed yet? Can we consider if it is beneficial to nolynch this day, get another person killed and limit our lynch pool?

we have massclaimed yet

your suggestion will result in the EXACT same spot you are in today, minus the doc claim

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Have we massclaimed yet? Can we consider if it is beneficial to nolynch this day, get another person killed and limit our lynch pool?

we have massclaimed yet

your suggestion will result in the EXACT same spot you are in today, minus the doc claim

an alternative option to not lynching and have scum decide the lynchpool is lynching in your scumreads and YOU deciding the lynchpool for tomorrow

because we have 1 more mis lynch available

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it's 6v2 right now

lynch town + NK, day 5 is 4v2 LYLO, but you have narrowed your own scum pool

No lynch, 1 NK, day 5 is 5v2, town is down a doc (p much conftown), you learn next to nothing. You have 1 mislynch.

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lynch town + NK, day 5 is 4v2 LYLO, but you have narrowed your own scum pool

In this scenario you have the option to no lynch, and have scum narrow the lynchpool. But again, you let scum dictate the game.

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bella kill is +++town equity for teacher btw

explain?

Ico who’d you save?

math

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VOTE: shos

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math/teacher
math/skitter
ari/skitter
ari/teacher

if it's not one of these I think we already lost

Now that the doctor apparently remembers what happened yesterday (which might have been impt to know last night) you want to revisit this as well?

not sure if i understand your question?

if you are asking me to revisit these specific reads, ok sure. just toss them out. I no longer think they hold.

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i don't scumread you my dude

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i made those brackets with the information in my head, and everything that made sense to me at that time

i had xtoxm/shos/flopz as locktown, but my team has talked me out of the shos read and made me remember why I protected you in the first place

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Ok i'll put this down as simple as I can:

I came into today with RCE townflip, a solid townread on shos/flopz/xtoxm.

That literally only left the lot of you. I didn't really put a TON of thought into my protect, because scum were EXTREMELY likely to kill in either of the claimed PR's, and nothing I can do about that.

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But obviously my reads are donkey ballz because 1) i'm alive and 2 ) RCE flipped town.

I don't fucking know right now who scum is. Have no clue.

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Why lynch a functional vt over doc?

Skit, can you speak to Icos scum meta?

I’ve hard hard townread the play this game, but the nk is ????, which of course is also wine.

Have you considered Bella might have lied about being N-1-2 gated to try and survive? I did. Bella was conftown and unprotecteable by me.
You hard townread me and defended me during massclaim but now all of a sudden you want to shade me?

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Mainly I am more sure on Ari but Titus controls my vote :/

what's the ari scumcase?

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shos is a much better lynch then you are

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like, lynch in shos/ari today

i'm the NK

tomorrow is:

1.Mathblade Vorkuta
2.Aristophanes
5.Xtoxm
6.Flopz Thilbert
7.teacher
8.skitter30

if shos/ari flip town, you are in a 4v2 situation, where you can no lynch. Scum NK probs in xtoxm/flopz.

1.Mathblade Vorkuta
2.Aristophanes
5.Xtoxm
7.teacher
8.skitter30

3v2

bleh

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what if we all just gave our top 2 scumreads, maybe in a popcorn format?

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I think shos/Ari explains nightkills

go on?

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I'm still pro-NL

Here's a quick layout of why a NL today is best.

1. We mislynch anyone today, assuming Ico is conftown
>>scum NK ico. we are in mylo - it is best to nolynch - and scum can pick who they want in lylo.
2. We no lynch today, assuming ico is conftown
>>OPTION 1: scum kill ico. Then we proceed with the same lynch, except we need 1 less townie to get this done, but alas, ico is gone, so it is literally the same input/output. exactly the same as 1.
>>OPTION 2: scum do not kill ico. then there's an option that ico saves someone, and we earn a mislynch, and if not, we NL and scum have to kill ico, thus giving us more control on who gets to lylo.

Either way, we don't *lose* anything by nolynching, and we *can* earn anything.

Also, if there's still some of you who do not 100% believe ico is town, this will solve it for you.

@shos, why are you considering scum might not kill me for option 2 but not option 1?
Why are you not considering we might improve our odds by killing scum?
Are you aware that our only chance to WIN is LYNCHING scum? It's literally the only way to win.
Do you realize that if you no lynch now, and I die, it will become HARDER for you (if ur town) to lynch actual scum?

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Skitter - you lose the voice, but you practically gain the vote, because every wagon that happens needs one less vote so it's easier to get a scum Lynch

@shos, specifically this. Can you look at it a little broader and do the actual math? It will take 1 less vote, but you will be down a town vote making lynching scum THAT much harder.

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Xtomx - you must be kidding me, in even numbers a saved kill buys is an extra mislynch

type out the math for us please

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Math - we WILL Lynch, question is before or after a NLAfter you have more info. Before you just assume

I want to know what information you think there is to gain from no lynching, then scum killing me. How will that make your next day lynch decision more informed?

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and finally, @shos, i'm sorry but you are completely isolated in this no lynch nonsense.

If you don't start providing actual scumreads and alternatives to your own lynch, you will be hung. If ur town, that's not exactly good right?

So, start working on a solve and good lynch for today rather then try to sell a plan that literally NOBODY is gonna go thru with.

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Have we massclaimed yet? Can we consider if it is beneficial to nolynch this day, get another person killed and limit our lynch pool?

Scum will most likelly kill the doc regardless of what happens in the day and eventually we are even, a nolynch will happen. So it's a question of when, and the sooner it happens the more info we have when we do Lynch. That doc claim is definitely not conftown, considering that RCE flipped town and so did bella. The only thing I can think of that makes one think he is conftown is an agenda of confirmation on a partner. He is by no means conftown.

Also if you expect me to remember shit in this game, sorry lads. So can anyone summarize the setup, including flips+claims?

wait you actually think i could still be lying?

have you seen massclaim? and the current flips? do you think this game is literally just a N1-2 alien and a 3-shot Joat vs mafia neighbourizer?

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it's monday again, guys, so bare with me

by now you know most of my reads need to resurface before i start making some kind of sense lol

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shos!scum: teacher/skitter/ari for partner
shos!town: nothing really changes? teacher/skitter/ari both scum in here?

I just solidly townread all of math/flopz/xtoxm

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@Math and @Skitter

i feel like i'm running out of people that i want to wagon which means that i'm very desperately wrong somewhere, but i don't know where
and the two people i scumread the most aren't doable right now {math and flopz}

bella/ico - town
rce - i don't think scum reacts to this entire nk/alien thing the way he has
ari - i think is just town on meta
you - i'm not sure where it happened exactly but over the course of today (i.e. day3) you've become a townread too

which leaves {math, flopz, shos, xtoxm}

math and flopz aren't doable today
and xtoxm i don't really townread on play but the neighborize kinda points to town
which kinda leaves shos. was townreading him for some of the stuff he was saying at daystart but as i mull it over i don't really remember why that was exactly

the very very early game thing pointed to {plum/tris}, and tris-slot/saudade did flip scum
and shos did very staunchly object to saudade in favor of xtoxm. i think that whole interaction means that shos/xtoxm can't be scum together
and saudade was trying to rile up rc as shos was getting wagoned

let me check daystart to see what i was thinking there, some parts of the game are starting to blur together in my head

I no longer think that we should lynch shos first today. His resistance to the saudade wagon was gross, but it's sucu an explicitly bad position for scum to take on a partner that i'm no longer convinced that they're svs

Also shos's exasperation at the gamestate at eod yesterday seems townie

this.
looking at it again i'm not sure if his positioning yesterday was a good reason to townread him

i need to recheck the exasperation too

Spoiler:

???
If you could please stop misrepping I'd appreciate it
If I had a working theory which I firmly believe in I'd be voting you

Am I?

I don't mind if this loynch fails to go through, NL is an eligible option the way I see it. You're all going to get a big fat I TOLD YOU SO when you say 'shit, what do we do with this one' in lategame regarding xtomx

I don't mind if this loynch fails to go through, NL is an eligible option the way I see it. You're all going to get a big fat I TOLD YOU SO when you say 'shit, what do we do with this one' in lategame regarding xtomx

What is it with you and no lynching?

What is it with you and xtoxm!?

Wtf is it with you and not wanting to see Saudade lynched!?!?!?!?

It's called
An opinion
Democrats, etc etc

Also it's 3.34 am haaaaaaaaaghhh

.....???????

12 alive
5 confirmed town

Means 4 scum in 7 players remaining

Do the math.

Intrigue me
How did we get to 5 conftowns
Just yesterday I was told it is 2
And then we agreed on 0

Why are you guys stupid

i think it was these posts (or more accurately, 1st, 3rd, and 4th)
but looking at them again i don't see them as townie as i did at the time

and the 2nd post reminded me about the no lynch thing which was god-awful

ok i think i'm willing to explore this
VOTE: shos

for the record i explicitly do not think math is town, i just want that to be very clear

If shos is scum, I think that p much clears the both of you. Skitter reconsidering to shos, and math hard pushing shos today could really help solve this game

. Skitter, despite maths shenanigans previous day, how do you feel about him pushing shos like this? @Math, your thoughts on skitter's feelings wrt shos?

One thing you cannot learn -- and do not let Math get away with even thinking to claim otherwise -- is Math's alignment. If RCE!town, then the lack of a N1 does not make Math anything approaching conf!town.

yes i would like to highlight this point as well ^

I'm really scared of skitter + teacher, so if shos does flip town I think you guys need to lynch in these 2 tomorrow.

what if we all just gave our top 2 scumreads, maybe in a popcorn format?

Math >>>>> shos >>> ari

@Skitter, math's entire solve right now is literally this, minus himself obviously. Like, literaly shos + ari. Can you at least engage with math over that?