White Flag - TM2020

[Formerfish]

...?

[CheekyTeeky]

Gobs is a bad lynch today, if there is a tomorrow he can totally be on the table.

Why? He has the most pairings. I just wanted Dann first because you guys lose if he's scum. But since there's an insane amount of resistance to lynching Dann we may as well make the optimal play.

[Formerfish]

Cause I dont think hes scum. Its thats simple for me.

[CheekyTeeky]

Are you familiar with him?

[CheekyTeeky]

Aside from Gobbles/Me who do you townread FF?

[Formerfish]

Yes. I have said so many times this game. I outed the a previously hidden head of a hydra to show where my knowledge of Gobs play comes from and why it makes him town to me. Check out Mordhaus.

BB.

For me scum is in Dann> Auro>> Dong>>> it gets less likely after that.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok thanks for repeating.

[CheekyTeeky]

I was just looking back now at how some of the end of day stuff went down. My initial response to Dann's trajectory (just the one I happened to look at first) is... town???? Avoiding nsg consistently only to flip there in th 11th hour seems like a strange bus.

I'm a little embarrassed by my indecisiveness yesterday. However, from a completely non-neutral perspective, I *feel* like it's fairly obvious I didn't know NSG's alignment.

My team and I do not agree with this

We think it is scummy that you were on Fish, then you were on the BB flash wagon, and only after that did you vote NSG when it was obvious that NSG was going to flip. That level of movement around NSG is scummy to us. Plus, your earlier stances on NSG seemed like soft pushes in her direction.

Hm.

[CheekyTeeky]

Dunn NSG trajectory scummy

What do you mean by this? Dunn is one of my stronger townreads from how yesterday went.

Dong’s Cephrir vote is something out of left field. Dong weren’t you suspecting three other people not named Cephrir?

VOTE: Dong

I feel like I was right about this yesterDay

This actually looks good.

I wish you guys would post more.

[Formerfish]

Posting more only gives scum info at this point. I have said my piece and if they choose to give me the sweet release of death then you can iso me and find my words. If im alive then im here to speak more to them and move towards a win tomorrow.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok well people don't want to lynch Dann. Who do we lynch, Auro?

[Auro]

You mean Gob*?

[Auro]

I personally think FF could be pressed more on the Gob read. You've also played with Gobbles town - so you guys view his meta differently. FF says he thinks Gob is town from meta experience but doesn't detail how. If FF's town, I think that once he attempts to explain or put the meta differences into words he might change his read on the slot.

[Formerfish]

I did explain my meta read on Gob, i outed Mordhaus to show the many games weve played recently where his play has been the exact same as here and why i thought that meant he is town. What are you on about Auro?

[Auro]

"Posting more gives scum info" is very unhelpful but I doubt I can carry any useful engagement with FF anyway.

Dong is still a wildcard, if he somehow magically changes his mind we get four votes on Gobbles.

Else, we'll have to fall back to lynching one of me or Dann. No Lynch wouldn't work out because we'd end up with the same gamestate except without you, with the same number of votes required and the same Auro/Dann tunnels. I think in this particular case it could actually have a higher payoff to lynch one of me/Dann.

That should be a last resort if neither of FF/Dong (or Molla if he's actually town) change their mind though.

[CheekyTeeky]

UNVOTE:

I think how gobbles is playing this game is more relevant than meta. I feel like the only bad things gobbles has done are:

1. Randomly bring up NSG scum meta then vote elsewhere beginning of game.
2. Posture around espeon's wagon.

He's explained BB read multiple times which can be summed up as them both being on the same wavelength.
I really liked his push on Dann D2 and I'm wondering why he wants Dong over Dann at this point.

[Auro]

I did explain my meta read on Gob, i outed Mordhaus to show the many games weve played recently where his play has been the exact same as here and why i thought that meant he is town. What are you on about Auro?

I know that you outed a Hydra and know that you said there were games where his play has been the "exact same". When I say "explain", I mean talk in terms of notable characteristics from his town games that he's replicating here; and to strengthen them check that they're lacking in his scum games.

[Auro]

I think there are more "bad things" he's done; including the random AtE post when we wagoned him, his lack of nuance in reads today, the skew in effort put to meta-townread you compared to other reads, etc.

[CheekyTeeky]

Gobbles you do realise you've been voting Dong virtually the whole game right? From what I remember of you, you tend to jump around and reassess a fair bit with each flip. Why do you think that's not happening here?

[CheekyTeeky]

the skew in effort put to meta-townread you compared to other reads, etc.

Why does scum!gobbles do this?

[Auro]

the skew in effort put to meta-townread you compared to other reads, etc.

Why does scum!gobbles do this?

As Dann pointed out, it looks pretty much like a pocketing attempt? And the busywork in crafting that post can help give townpoints too.

[CheekyTeeky]

There's no need for gobbles to pocket me when I've been diverting the lynch away from him since Dunn died.

[Auro]

Gamestate wise, if you, Dann and I bloc together Dong is the only viable push they have. Dong's trajectory is purely attacking me though, he hasn't even considered a lynch option within the other three.

Kinda ballsy for FF-Dong to plan to just come into the day voting me and pushing me that strong when they know I'm on to Gobbles, they could've just wait a bit to see how things played out.

[Auro]

There's no need for gobbles to pocket me when I've been diverting the lynch away from him since Dunn died.

I think you've mentioned intent to kill him multiple times after Dunn died.

Pocketing you helps indirectly when you're paranoid of Auro or Dann.

[CheekyTeeky]

So you think Dong/FF are town?