Sunny 2: Rules of Im-peachment - Over!

[Noraa]

Ooooo peaches are yummy!
also
VOTE: UT
You meanieeeeeeeeeeeee >:(

[Noraa]

were you the one I was going to dayvig until koba talked me out of it :3

HOW DARE YIU STEAL MY PAGETOP

[Noraa]

You meanieeeeeeeeeeeee >:(

Mad that you randed scum?

UT switched me outta the mini theme >:(

also is this shade that I see?

-Noraa

[Noraa]

also is this shade that I see?

A little. I heard that you dislike rolling scum, so wanted to make a post in that direction.

VOTE: Midwaybear

dont u dare shade me

[Noraa]

Noraa do that happy dance you always do when you get a green role pm

But I'm not happy. I even got a role pm to the mini theme and then they told me that was the wrong one

[Noraa]

live look at mwb-noraa rn:

I'm the one with steam coming outta my ears

[Noraa]

thats better than any1 in mini theme :3

-________________-

[Noraa]

*noms on a peach*
Im bored

[Noraa]

Noraa you're scum aren't you?

Nope.

[Noraa]

*finishes my peach*
*grabs another*

[Noraa]

VOTE: Noraa
Come on.

did you just call me a him? excuse me?

[Noraa]

I was not talking about you there.

Oh ok well I'm not feeling like doing anything currently and voting me isn't gonna change that cuz I'm mad over something rn.

[Noraa]

Oh ok well I'm not feeling like doing anything currently and voting me isn't gonna change that cuz I'm mad over something rn.

Fair enough. Are you mad at something related to this game?

No.

[Noraa]

VOTE: Noraa
Come on.

booo

<3333333333333333333
ikr

Also Hi Gypyx!
*noms on another peach*
UT gave me an entire bowl of peaches and now I get to eat them all game long

[Noraa]

Noraa, when are you planning on doing things?

Why do you care? It's like page 10.

[Noraa]

Why do you care? It's like page 10.

Because I don't want to mishang you for doing nothing. It's difficult to read you right now.

Ok then don't "mishang" me for doing nothing.

[Noraa]

daypeach : Noraa

here ya go more peaches

:OOOOO TY!!!
*Takes peaches*
now I have even more peaches!!

[Noraa]

I have no reads rn isn't that great?

[Noraa]

noraa, gun to head, name 2 scum and 2 town

I actually have no idea. I've just been paying attention to my peaches and skimmed the last ten pages.

My only gun to head read would be Midwaybear scum cuz the way they approached me was bad faith as shit.

[Noraa]

hmmmm

prob one scum in Noraa / mwb

Ok well now you look super scummy for saying that.

[Noraa]

Perhaps I will after I get more confidence.

[Noraa]

ooooo I should pull out my old signature for this game :3

"Leave no peach unturned"
YESSSSSSSSSSSS
okie brb

[Noraa]

Noraa you're scum aren't you?

Cakez/Noraa scumteam? :3

*throws a peach at pooky's head*
u dumb?

[Noraa]

Nor Nor, what is your opinion on Apple Cider?

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm peaches are superior!

[Noraa]

well, also that i'm curious how saying that 2 players who are individually scummy but pushing each other have high odds of one scum is scummy to say

I'm not individually scummy. In fact, most people here should be able to see what I've been doing. If you don't, look closer.

[Noraa]

well, also that i'm curious how saying that 2 players who are individually scummy but pushing each other have high odds of one scum is scummy to say

I'm not individually scummy. In fact, most people here should be able to see what I've been doing. If you don't, look closer.

Also gypyx its page ten. Early SR/TRs really don't mean shit and grouping me with scummy people like midway is offensive.

[Noraa]

This response is interesting.

I'll town-lean Noraa for now.

how did that question have anything to do with ... anything game related?!

[Noraa]

so rude

too bad im still malding over that thing yesterday.

[Noraa]

People are legitimately scumreading me?

Yeah, scum.

[Noraa]

Informedation, obviously.

O_o
ok then.

[Noraa]

If you don't, look closer.

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Ah well, carry on then.

You're getting there!!!!!
(the biggest secret of the century is that peaches are yummy)

[Noraa]

hello, best town player of the earth here, let's catch some red PMs

I like this opening post :3

Fwiw, I actually have a TR on gypyx. I have a lot of backwards instincts.

[Noraa]

mostly that you're painfully null compared to your postcount

Ok, so you think I am scum trying to look good by highposting then? Bad method to get a read tbh.

Noraa, if you think I am scum for "bad faith approaching you", then I think you need to reconsider that read. I just don't want you to get away with doing nothing. Sure, you might think that me accusing you of that is surface level, but at the time, you really weren't doing much.

XD. There are plenty of ways to get me to do stuff.
Yelling "WHY ARENT YOU DOING ANYTHING" three times is definitely not one of the ways and I don't think ur stupid enough to not know that tbh.

[Noraa]

(the biggest secret of the century is that peaches are yummy)

I am v sad I am allergic to peaches and can't enjoy them

O_O
um um
have an apricot!
*hands pooky apricot*

[Noraa]

Mech stuff:

There are likely a bunch of roles that give peaches and a bunch of roles/mechanics that revolve around using peaches/only being able to be used on players who have peaches/failing when the target has a certain number or variety of peaches. As such, it is probably in our best interests to conceal where the peaches are flying. If you have the capacity to send peaches, send them to a townread and shut up about it. If you receive peaches, shut up about it.

Also, I don't particularly want any peaches at the moment, and will share if that changes in the future.

Also, everyone who has already softclaimed is bad and should feel bad.

*throws another peach at jingle*
peaches are yummy

[Noraa]

Also, everybody knows Cheetory doesn't really exist and is just a puppet for the great and mighty Gork.

we should all be grateful that he hasn't modded a game, as it would assuredly be a nightmare.

p-edit: oh nice I'm not the only bitter old-vibey person in the game anymore sick!

*dumps a bag of sugar on cheetory*
feel sweet not bitter!

[Noraa]

Noraa has a heart of gold.

are you pocketing me again?

My townie heart is made of pure gold. always has been.

[Noraa]

huh, why didn't u mention that earlier

I called you scum for saying there was scum in midway/Noraa.
It feels like chainlims in a way but if u go deeper, simple and dumb thought processes generally come from the uninformed.

[Noraa]

if you were town, i'd expect you (including anyone else) to say something towny, here idk if i just can't see it, but your ISO is nullville to me

Well I'm town, so I guess you just can't see it
Can you explain what makes me scummy if my ISO is supposedly null?

VOTE: Midway bear

[Noraa]

are you going to fake a townslip this game? :3

*kicks pooky in the shins*
GO AWAYYY >:(

[Noraa]

did you just call me dumb lol

yeah basically.
O_O
I didn't mean it terribly offensively tho :O
*pats*

[Noraa]

Hot take: I'm actually scumreading PB right now.

Dump the spice. Why?

[Noraa]

AHHH WHY DO I KEEP GETTING STUPID PAGEBOTOOMS

[Noraa]

I WANT THE PAGE TOPSC >:(

[Noraa]

ASJDFKASDFJAJFGJAJHGHAGHSJJFJSKJG

[Noraa]

NoraaPoo, why are you townreading the red thing? Also, I'm going to treat you two like a hydra for now.

thought process simple and (slightly dumb)
seems townie.

[Noraa]

hehehehehe you're the best nooooooraa

*flips hair*
ofc me is

[Noraa]

me offended

+town points for noraa

cool! we can town block now!

[Noraa]

Dump the spice. Why?

Preemptive defense of Gamma.

Push on gamma was that he dropped a prepared post and peaced out, and PB's response was

'Cause if we're pushing Gamma it has to be for a good reason or he'll freak out and focus on that argument entirely, so it's better to clear that.

Oh I thought PB stood for PookyBear and I was actually interested for a hot sec there.

[Noraa]

yoink

I thought you stole my pagetoppity for a sec there and was about to get mad

[Noraa]

Noraa, can you please stop making "hyperposter" seem like a woefully inadequet title for you?

why is it inadequate?

[Noraa]

Oh I thought PB stood for PookyBear and I was actually interested for a hot sec there.

revenge for DC? :3

No. More just because I never know what alignment you are.

[Noraa]

Jingle don't you dare steal my page top.

[Noraa]

you will know I am town when I post something so beautiful it makes you cry :3

I cried bc I was scum not bc u were beautiful.

[Noraa]

huff puff almost there

[Noraa]

MKNE

[Noraa]

YAYYYYY ok I win this game. its official. I got a page top so I win.

[Noraa]

Wheres my medal?

[Noraa]

I cried bc I was scum not bc u were beautiful.

you played a beautiful game though <3

Journey before Destination.

*sulks*

[Noraa]

Noraa honey, please give others a chance to talk. I know you like being the center of attention, but you need to let other share their thoughts babe. Here, have a peach.

*Jake hands Nor Nor a nice, fluffy peach*

*takes peach and eats it in my corner*

*sulks*

*hugs*

[Noraa]

Noraa honey, please give others a chance to talk. I know you like being the center of attention, but you need to let other share their thoughts babe.

I think he's just trying to seize the throne.

:O Pooky I think ur right!
PROTEC DA THRONE!!!!!!!!!!
*gets my peaches and throws them all at Jake's head*

[Noraa]

Not sure why midway is getting SRed I like his posting

good for you. I'll go ahead and just say I solved half the game
Cakey/Midway

[Noraa]

Try delaying the inevitible. You'll die eventually, Noraa. Then I'll drag you down to Hell, and no one will save you then.

In another game, im known as the greatest reaper from hell. Don't think anyone can drag me to hell

[Noraa]

Good work noraa

conceding scum here!!!
*jumps around*

[Noraa]

I da greatest scum hunter!

[Noraa]

OOOOOOOO pagetoppity

[Noraa]

Worst post in the thread so far ^^^^^^

Why do you say that? I dislike it but I figured that was just my OMGUS nature coming out.

[Noraa]

I mean I think im rather obvtown but I always think that soooooooooo that's fun!

[Noraa]

yes pretty sure Zaidan is hectic.

[Noraa]

oh nvm then

[Noraa]

I actually have no idea.

One of my favorite pet towntells. But it probably doesn't work because tells don't work on Noraa.

Have you ever even played with me before? You're acting like a Noraa meta expert and as far as im concerned you're not.

[Noraa]

Have you ever even played with me before? You're acting like a Noraa meta expert and as far as im concerned you're not.

No. I thought you were well-known for being able to fake towntells as scum. Is that inaccurate?

not really. it was a phase tho.

[Noraa]

I still don't see anything crazy wrong with Private's post. Is it because generally a list mod won't post something flimsy like that? Do I actually have to go meta them?

[Noraa]

The post is flimsy, I agree. I've definitely seen worse posts from town before tho.....

[Noraa]

noraa and midway are probably the two names that i townread the most strongly right now. i'm gonna sort out the rest of my thoughts into a reads list of sorts this evening. let me know if there's anything specific that y'all want my opinion on - i work best when i'm communicating and sorting out my thoughts in real time with other people

O_o
I don't like being on the same tier as midway >:(

also I keep thinking ur Saudade!!!!!!!! AHHHHH

[Noraa]

also I keep thinking ur Saudade!!!!!!!! AHHHHH

She is. If you look deep inside, you'll find we're all Saudade.

Woah I didn't know that. Am I secretly Saudade to?

[Noraa]

T^T how come im the only one that does see these scummy posts

[Noraa]

its been a tiring day for me. im going to catch up tmrw.
im super burnt out for reasons rn.

[Noraa]

Catching up~

First things first, midway is tryharding and I don't like it one bit. I feel like their "smile" is fake. Like the way they are posting seems loose and happy at surface level but I don't think that's the real thing. I'm not really able to put this into words so im not gonna bother for now.

let me know if there's anything specific that y'all want my opinion on

What's your read on Jake now?

rand town, i

guess

. his reasoning is extremely hard for me to understand but i don't sense any scum intention from his posts. there is a level of internal consistency to their progression from the way they go from questioning gamma on #137 to scumreading them on #168. i also think that they'd be less likely to tell noraa to stop posting so much on #383 if they were playing from a scum mindset - i imagine that scum would be happy to have a player like noraa to distract from the gamesolving

This post pinged horribly for me. It seems like a very good way to agree with a consensus TR but then also shade me and all of my reads. And all this rand town stuff is annoying. Feels like you don't wanna commit to a single read.

Dann is already proving that he was a valuable pick for our team:

@PB can you elaborate on your early townreads, particularly the Maria one?

We seem to be on the same page that midway is town and Cheet/Murder are lesser-but-still-probably town. Dann likes Noraa and Monty for wagons, and of the two I vibe with monty a little harder.

VOTE: PI

Wow im concerned now. I've never heard Dannflour's name in terms of playing mafia but ik they modded a lot. I expect better reads than this from them and you tbh.
When I saw this, I immediately started thinking that you were scum pushing Private and me. To be honest, I agree Private's post was scummy but it was also extremely LHF-y and from my experience, the mish mash mods can sometimes be full time LHF.

Imma go ahead and say
Town: Noraa, Gypyx, Private
Scum: Jingle, Midwaybear, SPF (with Jingle being the strongest SR)

I think Midway and I saw the same thing in your opening three posts

This could easily come from scum but im not sure. Throw it into the SR pile for now.

Does no one else seriously think this could be scum attempting to buddy all the girls in the lobby through the power of simping?

well, my heart was always his...

/swoon

Hey Wanna and Pooky .... is this public flirt fest necessary?

[Noraa]

*Kanna

Catching up more~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``

[Noraa]

Also Cheetory changed their prfpc and now its throwing me off
I keep feeling like there's a new played ugh

[Noraa]

*player
GAH I CANT TYPE TODAY

[Noraa]

I like the way Pink Ball is making his reads, but I also share a bit of Cakez's concern cuz it looks too easy lol.
Pink Ball, were you serious when you said that you were expecting Jingle to scumread you in 447?

hm. I need to think on this. The SR on Cake stays tho.

Yeah, you just said you thought he was lying(correct me if I'm wrong). I don't know if there's any argument to be had over that.

That wasn't really my point, my point was that I thought Jake's vote was opportunistic while under pressure and that the justification given could easily be fake. So now why do you TR there?

*throws murder into town bin*

[Noraa]

Nvm retract the TR on Murder. For some reason I thought he didn't say Jake and said Jingle. Im sorry still burnt out from yesterday.

[Noraa]

Pooky, lilith would like you to know that she knows you copied the flower girl emoji thing from her.

This comes from scum more often than not imo. Ik that if my buddy was town and I saw someone steal a beautiful emoji, I'd tell my buddy to kick them. But if I was scum, I'd use it as a slight pocket attempt the way this^ feels.

I'm hoping to not be phone-posting by the end of the long weekend, sorry.

Spring just has weird vibes for me, specifically the seeming overjustification of their Cheeto vote earlier.

I'm still scum reading Noraa more though, but that could just be because she's saying a lot while saying little? I'll revisit later.

Pink Ball, multiple pages later, how are ya feeling about Gamma?

This is town and im certain of it. TSTBS. This isn't scum.

@privateI

, shea would like to know what your team's experience is with noraa.

Sheas on ur team? Oh goodness gracious. I'm gonna get absolutely tunneled aren't I?

shady & i traded reads with each other from our respective games. i gave him a list of players to ISO (private1, cheetory6, punkball) and i'm gonna paraphrase his thoughts while adding some of my own:

private1:

shady got the impression that private is genuinely trying to share the perspectives they have while theyre here and following along on mobile, even if their posts lack substance. he's suspicious of people who are pushing on private too hard and thinks that a push on private will not yield much valuable information right now. i'm inclined to agree - i do take issue with some of private's posts, but they are absolutely a LHF target at the moment, and it's hard to get anything valuable out of pressuring them when they are so disengaged from the broader context of the game. i could see this slot being scum but shady's analysis makes me want to pressure outside

cheetory6:

shady thought that cheeto's slot warranted more pressure and suspicion, and there were several moments in cheeto's ISO that he felt iffy about. shady especially zero'd in on cheeto's progression on zaiden - he thought that cheeto treated zaiden's slot in a weird way, and that his vote on zaiden a little while ago meshed awkwardly with the stances about zaiden that he had taken earlier in the thread

i looked into this myself and i agree that the progression is a little weird - the soft defense of zaiden on #425 is uncomfortable given that cheeto did not engage with the cases against zaiden and moreso broadly declared that he will "probably" be easier to read later in the game. in spite of this, they say on #434 that they're willing to pressure zaiden if other scummy slots get townier, and then they end up voting for zaiden on #574. this progression bothers me in the sense that i don't feel like cheeto gave genuine consideration to zaiden's alignment in his build-up to his vote - he felt overly concerned with playing into the dynamic of the thread instead of carving out his own stance

pink ball:

shady seemed kind of torn about this slot, and was confused about pink saying on #564 that cakez's read on me was the "best" analysis posted so far in the game. he seemed receptive to the idea that pink was town, in that he thought pink's opening was too scummy to be scum, and he noted that #501 presented a higher level/depth of thought in pink's analysis than had been implied by his earlier posts

Oh this can be town nvm. I like this. Feels simple.

i started writing out a big list of reads and then realized that making analysis of 17 different players barely over 24 hours into the game is a wildly unnecessary waste of my time and energy in a game with a 2 week deadline

so instead, i'm just gonna focus on finding solid townreads that i can trust and use as a foundation for the rest of my solving in this game. the two names i have right now are noraa and midway. i would like to expand that another couple of names by the time today ends

Noraa?

yup. i explained it a little bit on #482

I probs skimmed 482. I shall read that laters.

mostly thinking about Post 581 from SPF when saying that

i know that's an answer, but idk, it just sounds really focused on not getting heat?

idk if my 7 in the morning brain makes sense tbh

This is town and im pretty sure of it too. Again, feels simple.

VOTE: zaiden i guess i dislike your vote on me the most.

reconsidering cheetory. i like his good faith to me and his haphazard randomness is quite townie. uncrowned also started reading the game and said he felt the same pings on midway early on and that hard push would probably be what he did if he was here.

speaking of midway, i agree with the townreads. i have little meta, but he's a strong PURE read for me. even his latest posts where he says his hot take of gamma town and then voting him 2 posts later. scum... probably don't do that

I think this is town too. Straightforward and simple.

@pooky

are your teammates touching this game at all?

nancy says noraa is 100% obvtown and there is no way noraa is scum here.

koba says spf is meta-scummy for being agenda-y and trying to maintain herself above a POE.

oka poka didn't say anything.

NANCY ILYSM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not sure Nancy TRing me is necessarily + town points for you tho tbh. Cuz Nancy like hard TRed me in death curse and generally people that hard TR scum!me hard SR town!me
I've gotta think on this a bit.

[Noraa]

Town bin: Noraa, Gypyx, Kanna, Private, SPF
Scum bin: S_S, Jingle, midwaybear, Cake

[Noraa]

Finishing catch up later~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Noraa]

Sheas on ur team? Oh goodness gracious. I'm gonna get absolutely tunneled aren't I?

he's actually been pretty in your corner this game.

Very surprising. I can throw you in the town bin then. This felt genuine.

[Noraa]

The reason it felt genuine is cuz you probs could've thrown a pinch of AtE in there if u wanted to but you didn't.

[Noraa]

I've played with some strange people. But some of you take the cake for strangest people I've ever played with.
*snip*

Changed my mind. I have a lot of threads I gotta do today. Gonna finish this one up rn.
Ask hectic what his read on me is.

[Noraa]

old bones.

mmk. I can trust in this judgement. I suck at reading MariaR. I 10/10 would've thought she was scum in Xeno if not for the fact that I was scum and knew she wasn't.

[Noraa]

Town bin: Noraa, Gypyx, Kanna, Private, SPF, cheetory
Scum bin: S_S, Jingle, midwaybear, Cake

[Noraa]

nancy says noraa is 100% obvtown and there is no way noraa is scum here.

koba says spf is meta-scummy for being agenda-y and trying to maintain herself above a POE.

oka poka didn't say anything.

I'm townrleaning you and I trust Nancy's read on noraa, that's the kind of 'obtown!Nancy correctly identifying town' move

I guess you could say this makes Noraa solid town , but I don't really think this means anything for Pooky's alignment.

uh no?

[Noraa]

what does this mean?

Zaiden 635 reads super genuine

@Cheet why did you suddenly start efforting on page 26

Hi Morning Tweet

Disagree that Zaiden reads genuine literally anywhere.
It means Too scummy to be scum.

[Noraa]

uh no?

Hm? What do you mean? You think Pooky is town?

From my perspective, knowing that I am town, yes that is true. But I do not think someone who doesn't know the color of my role pm would think that.

It just doesn't feel right.
You're now my top SR.
Right under is Jingle.

[Noraa]

No ok so Pooky says Nancy TRs me and Midway bear says that means that I am obvtown but not Nancy/Pooky.

This is just such a terribly weird perspective. It doesn't make sense at all.

From my perspective, I am town because role pm but Nancy/Pooky TRing me doesn't necessarily mean anything to me and doesn't determine their alignment.

But like an outsider should think that only if Nancy is town, am I town. Because if Nancy was scum and I was town, I am LHF that is easily SRed.

No. This reeks of TMI.
Midwaybear is scum. 100%

[Noraa]

No ok so Pooky says Nancy TRs me and Midway bear says that means that I am obvtown but not Nancy/Pooky.

This is just such a terribly weird perspective. It doesn't make sense at all.

Wait, what? It makes total sense. If Nancy is 100% that you're town (and she's not mistaken), then either you both are scum, or you are town-- and saying so if you both are scum is obviously a huge risk if you ever die. But it could easily be that you are town and Pooky is scum; nothing's stopping Nancy from invoking her soulread on you for towncred.

No but midway said that I was definitely town but not pooky. That doesn't make sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Noraa]

If midway was town, they'd think that Nancy/Pooky and I were the same alignment.

But instead they say that I am definitely town but they're not sure about pooky. This doesn't make ANY sense.

[Noraa]

If midway was town, they'd think that Nancy/Pooky and I were the same alignment.

But instead they say that I am definitely town but they're not sure about pooky. This doesn't make ANY sense.

They are doing this because I am widely TRed whereas Pooky/Nancy are fairly null read.

So Pooky is town and Midway is preparing to set him up.

[Noraa]

I think what you're missing is that scum-Pooky can still call town-Noraa obvtown. There's nothing stopping him from doing that, and it might be a good pocketing strategy.

No. That is very unlikely.

[Noraa]

Why is it unlikely?

perhaps it isn't too unlikely but im 100% sure that it is not the first thought that a townie has here.
The first thought from a townie is that we are the same alignment.

[Noraa]

I already said that I was applying Pink Ball's read method on you here.

Nah. No you weren't. That was totes slight TMI

[Noraa]

perhaps it isn't too unlikely but im 100% sure that it is not the first thought that a townie has here.
The first thought from a townie is that we are the same alignment.

Well, it's the first thought I had. So you'd better lockscum me too.

I already had you as an SR anyways.

[Noraa]

Would I be wasting my time trying to convince you that you're wrong here?

Depends on the color of your role pm.

[Noraa]

All right then. My role PM is green, so I do know for a fact that your claim that "all townies would think you are the same alignment initially" is inaccurate.

You have admitted that the logic does make sense, but that a townie would first think "they're probably the same alignment" and only afterward think "well actually, Pooky could be pocketing but he probably isn't covering for a teammate, so probably Noraa's just town." That's a natural train of thought for someone who hasn't seen this kind of thing before.

But this isn't my first rodeo. And it's not midway's, either. I have seen this kind of thing happen before, and my mental model is "if X says Y is locktown, then Y probably is town, but X could by anything." I have been using this logic for years. Your view of what a townie would think is overly simplistic-- it's probably based on what YOU would think. Which is reasonable as a starting point, but you shouldn't be so confident in it.

If we used that logic, I'd be rolling town in every single game. Someone calls me locktown in every game.

[Noraa]

Kind of siding with S_S in that you could be right that they TMI-ed, but I'm not really feeling the same way looking at the post.

*sigh*
alright then. I'll throw this onto the back burner for a little bit and revisit tomorrow(in rl days)

[Noraa]

VOTE: Jingle

Pretty obvious scum tbh. That vote on me is actually like absolute crap. I expect better from jingle.

[Noraa]

Haven't read up. About to catch up now.

[Noraa]

Tbh most of my town reads in this game aren't well articulated. I'll provide a reason if it helps. I've been trying out a new way of solving that is hard for me to adjust to. I'm learning from momrangal and its hard. I can't put things into words the way she can but I am trying. There's a lot of nuance that doesn't exist in my scum game here. Sometimes that nuance doesn't exist in my town games either but it's here and if you look closely, you will see it.

This should be taken into account by anyone who is trying to meta read me. I am not playing my normal game. Take that how you will.

[Noraa]

Ok now the readup begins!

[Noraa]

If we used that logic, I'd be rolling town in every single game. Someone calls me locktown in every game.

Well, maybe the logic doesn't apply in this case, which is useful information. But we're not debating the validity of it; we're debating whether it's reasonable for town to believe it.

I still believe that midway and you are scum. I could *possibly* be convinced that I was wrong about midway but right on you. I just don't think both of you are town.

[Noraa]

Noraa if you trust me, let this wagon on you happen.

say what?

[Noraa]

Also @noraa hi hello I'm Pink Ball nice to meet you. When I read what midway said I immediately understood he was poking me for what I said about clidd's read on him. Want to scumread me instead because I started that line of thought?

hm. I didn't realize that but I still think it sounds unnatural.
I also don't see the point in a townie poking someone else's thoughts like that?
Stepping into confbias territory at this point but whatever.

[Noraa]

why

At first, fake frustration on the game's pace. Later, his reaction to being pushed looked like scum wanting to be scumread for the right reasons and not because of a joke post.

I think he's not worth pushing 'cause if the frustration is genuine, then he's making himself a liability and needs some space to reassess. Maybe not worth pushing right now but later in D1, not necessarily wait after D1

Nah. I'm pretty sure cheet is town here. If cheet is scum, I'm being heavily pocketed without even being aware of it.

Hey Wanna and Pooky .... is this public flirt fest necessary?

surprised midway was the one to explain this, but yes, yes it absolutely is. i love pooky bear a lot <3

really liked that catch-up from noraa. feels genuine/good faith

ydrasse also dropped in and told me omgus'ing/townreading people feels like town!noraa energy. i feel good about that too

YDRA ILY <3
Feel my townie aura shining through!

So either case, you're more worth alive than dead at this point.

With this logic, is there anyone you think is worth more dead than alive yet?

I continue to dislike midway. Like .... wtf why is this the ONLY thing you decide to comment on????????
Whatever. Im confbiasing at this point. Gonna ignore midway for a bit and see if I can figure out midway's alignment that way.

is anyone townreading pink ball?

Everyone (except Jingle) has avoided giving their thoughts on me; I think that says a lot of my role and what I'm doing right now.

............or you just aren't very noticeable?
everything you say just screams NAI to me so that's why I haven't said anything.

Pedit: murder are you scum O_o

[Noraa]

Please don't go scorched earth because I'm voting you, let me work.

hm. ok so ur gonna catch scum for me.
alright.
work your magic and then I get to take all the credit :3

[Noraa]

Mmm ok. Then I think it's interesting that it seems that you think people are actually considering an elim this early on.

There are players like noraa that exudes intensity and wim. I'm like that, but later on. I'm trying to be an ice shower to that kind of plays.

have you ever even played with me? I literally always die day 1. where's the intensity coming from lol? the graveyard?

do you feel as though you've been a pain in the ass to scum so far?

Absolutely; I throw at least 90% of correct and solid townreads early game and there's nothing that scum can do about it, other than discredit me, but there's no one in this playerlist who knows how to do that efficiently, other than Maria, Jingle and MAYBE Gamma (who had the chance to do it and didn't, so there's that).

.................................eh. Let's just say you solved all the game.
1) I don't even remember who your SRs are
2) it doesn't really seem like anyone's listening to you
how are you a threat to scum??????????????????????????
can't figure out if I TR this confidence or SR it. Reminds me a bit of Nancy.

MWB probably town

EEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.
not liking gamma.

Sup y'all

Iv has a TR on mwb so imma leave him be UNVOTE:

Dunno where to go next though

hm.
but are iv's reads trustable?
if iv doesn't TR me, I'm ignoring all the reads he spews btw cuz I'm probably just about the most obvious townie in this game.

[Noraa]

i am soul-telling! i want nothing more than to lock hearts with you in this game and ride off into the sunset. i can do no more else i cut my heart out and lay it on a plate in front of you, my love, but i expect you wouldn't be so cruel... do you have a read on me at all?

I will have to take time to write a proper response to this. but you can know now that my heart is yours fully.

pooky, i admit some things are getting lost in romantic-translation @_@ does that mean you're townreading me?

This is something I could see coming from scum in which case pooky would be town. A possibility that I need to consider later on if a bunch of SRs flip green.

How the f*ck am I supposed to read people's body language, and suspicious behaviour, across the internet? Guess I'll have to break out some highschool English literature skills to analyse the heck out of people's posts.

I'm pretty sure there are mafia pushing me because I'm the new person. I'm an easy target for these scummy ass lying bitches. My teammates think I'm being trapped, that people accuse me of coaching knowing that I might not understand what it means in a forum mafia context. I didn't realise it had a special connotation. I'm paranoid/scared because to me that's exactly what happened. From my perspective, coaching meant asking about how to format posts and posting etiquette, etc. Or telling me I shouldn't post messages about rubbing Sunscreen Protection Factor (SPF) over my peaches to protect them from sunburn to avoid getting modkilled because it could be interpreted the wrong way. Not that they told me how to write my posts word by word. Because frankly that's just not true. Literally, Hopkirk and Hectic just told me 'Do your regular thing you do in real life and other people should townread you pretty quickly' and vanished to focus on their respective games.

I don't know if they set me up to get screwed over as a joke. Because I went and did that but people seem to think otherwise. Other than some cursory points at the beginning of the game, with Hectic telling me they felt Hopkirk telling me he was getting strong town vibes from SFP and trying to incorporate that into my game, since I strongly agreed with those particular takes from him (in addition to liking Gypx and PinkBall myself), that spectacularly backfired and they're just chortling at my struggles. I'm literally just here to fill the numbers and play my style my way because their first choice player in Elements got banned last year. I know, I'm not a good player like Elements that can help them win. But I wanted to at least try and not let them down. But it's so hard to keep going when people seem to have these bullshit wacky reads that make no fucking sense from my point of view. Worse still, I go off to do real life shit (Grinding ranked in League of Legends after missing Gold IV by 2 LP after finishing my placements, blogging anime, participating in Clash, etc) only come back and there's like 10 extra pages. It's like never-ending homework keeps piling up and I'm being told 'Zaiden you have this deadline, please do it or we'll scumread you/kill you' and I'm just drowning in it. There's just too much to read. This isn't what I signed up for. I thought this would be more like the Mario Maker newbie game which was way less intense.

Supposedly my reasoning is empty, but people choose to focus on a trivial matter, like how my writing seems coached. My way of playing the game is to write out my thoughts in an essay style analytical form. This to me also indicates cheetory is trying to bait a reaction to implicate me, which I don't really appreciate. And even if Cheetory isn't scum, there is guaranteed scum on this wagon and I can see how it's going to go. I give a genuine reaction on my thoughts, but people easily decide 'it's not good enough let's go ahead with killing Zaiden' even when there's clearly no issue with my line of reasoning. This might sound bad, but I just don't have time to separately engage and thoroughly research every single person in this game. At least within the space of 1-2 days. I find myself deeply in a lose lose situation. Respond to Cheetory and whoever else is accusing me, and they will literally pick out everything wrong I do, even if it's a townie error rather than a mafia error. If I choose not to respond, they will continue to say I am mafia precisely because I'm not responding. I'm being told something along the lines of "your logic is weak, your arguments make no sense", instead of having people try to consider things from my perspective. If you are town you should be open-minded to a lot of possibilities. It is not possible to have a rational argument in this game, only educated guesses, unless you're scum who clearly knows what is up. As far as I'm concerned, flirting around drives me nuts but it isn't necessarily alignment indicative and I was seeking to provoke discussion about Pooky who I don't know about and SpringBreeze who I don't know about. But no one tried to engage with me. And no one tried to answer anything I tried asking. What's wrong with that? I don't know if there's an ulterior motive, like if Team Hectic/Flopz/Hopkirk feels threatening to other people so you eject their fourth member to make them lose points. Because that's another possibility I'm considering for why there's traction against me.

From my perspective I think JakeTheWolf might have been faking conflict with Gamma too because they probably know early wagons will fizzle out. I think that's calculated because their reactions are way too opportunistic for me to otherwise explain. Gamma just rehashed Cheetory's general opinion to further lend into this general confirmation bias. The fact Cheetory is subconsciously manipulating Gamma or they're putting on a show to confuse people in absolutely not considering any other possibility screams mafia to me. Also Cheetory was voting Jake then hopped onto Gamma and the explanation they gave felt forced/fake to me. On the other hand SpringBreeze literally just opportunistically hopped onto this counter wagon against me for no real good reason either. Take that as you will. That's just opportunistic as heck. Also, the fact Cheetory is treating what he says himself, and what anti-Zaiden people say, as proof of evidence and fact, is dangerous. Deeper meanings that are non-existent are a massive overanalysis into nothing. Read into actions, rather than the words. However, I'm hardly in any position to provide proof. I can't make others see the bigger picture, because they've already chosen to actively ignore my attempts at advocating logic whilst dismissing anything I do as coached or mafia play. It's really lazy. Everything I do now can only be coached mafia in people's eyes, until further light can be shed on the matter. In short, I'm already trying to show people the bigger picture of how I play as a person, but they're refuse to see it and blame it on my inability to convince, instead choosing to believe the fake picture they have been presented with. Don't listen to what people say about coaching or weak arguments, because I really believe you are all being thoroughly misled by a narrative. The Emperor told his subjects he had new clothes, and even though in actuality he had none, they all pretended he was wearing them anyway because they believed only stupid people couldn't see the clothes. And it feels like that's a lot of players on here right now. I think my arguments are legitimate and I don't understand why they aren't.

Naturally, my arguments cannot have the capacity to be convincing, if peoples' opinion and views are essentially predetermined before they even get along to reading my arguments. As far as I can see, my inability to convince is more or less symptomatic of multiple mafia manipulating the course of this forum discussion that way. Driving a narrative that everyone's subscribed into. From my perspective, what is going on at the moment is complete insanity. Of course, that does not assuage any concerns regarding whether I actually am mafia or not. We should have like 1-2 more weeks to discuss, where I can hopefully convince people that we need to change our current approach to the game to hopefully be more accommodating.

I understand that lazy or noob town might be worth less, but what have I done to indicate that I am more deserving of a lynch, than others who are slinking back or the people who are clearly misdirecting a lynch onto me? Either ways, I am against the idea of voting for ejecting me today because reasons. Also, a townie has no reason to be as callous and denigrating as Cheetory in his interrogation of me - oh Zaiden would be useless anyway as the game goes on so it's a win win. Okay, I might be useless at this forum style. But you didn't have to say it like that. I don't really like you, you're a huge asshole and I'll be glad that I probably don't have to play with someone like you ever again once this game is over and done with. And my language would have been a lot more colourful if I wasn't at risk of getting modkilled for being rude. Don't think you and your scum buddies can get away with being so underhanded.

This is so difficult for me. Zaidan feels so angry and I CANT READ ANGER AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
I need to come back to this post later and give it a lot of thought.

[Noraa]

Zaiden, you've been asked questions, please anwwer

gah fucking hell. this is such a mean reply that I'm considering flipping my TR. AGH.

heartless scum or heartless town.
I can't decide.
Probs need to revisit this too.
ugh.

[Noraa]

@cheetory7, you can't have it both ways. Being an asshole to others and trying to make them crumble then pretending it's too much to take and pretending to be a victim here. Some people actually fight back when you try to invalidate their efforts and break down their self esteem. Don't think for a second I'm an easy target to pick on.

Hey Zaidan. If you're town, calm down and talk to your teammates. Tell them what's going on. Force them to read this game(especially force hectic and hoppy) and then make them figure out how to um obvtown in your situation and then do that.
No one is listening to what ur currently saying because you are letting your emotions fuel you and that will be super painful for you if you're town. Try something different. I'm here for you and think that anger comes from town.

Oh right right shouldn't be blatantly pocketing people else Jingle will come running in with some shitty reads again

I can replace out if people think I'm actually being an asshole.

i wouldn't worry about it, i think you're doing fine

very strange timing to be popping in. This is frustrating. Why is everyone so scummy >:(

I can replace out if people think I'm actually being an asshole.

In all honesty, I'm glazing over your 1v1, but I don't think either of you are being particularly assholish by my standards. It just seems like a really boring fight that's not actually going to make either of you more solveable.

Might be worth it for both of you to disengage and look at other people. Maybe ignore each other until Wednesday?

This is SUCH a terrible solution to suggest. The normal townie will be like "ok take a break. step away from laptop. yadda yadda."
scum jingle meanwhile over here like "OH JUST COMPLETELY IGNORE THEM FOR THE NEXT HALF OF THIS DAY PHASE"
O_o
o_O
O_O

Excellent. Talk about me more, Cakez. Your words give me power.

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww


im glad I'm voting scum. VOTE: scum Jingle

[Noraa]

Finally, I will give my teammates' opinions when I can. Hectic hasn't responded. I've asked Hopkirk for reads and he says he'll try to take a look tomorrow, and that he thought I might have been a bit harsh on cheety. Flopz is focused on his own game but told me to give it a break for a night and that I'm not being myself. I will answer more questions tomorrow but I'll need to got to bed for now. Goodnight.

hey
Hey
HEY
calm down
I am town and I believe you are town
now just kick hectic really hard to wake him up from his nap and make him do some work for you

[Noraa]

It's not that she's being erratic, it's that she's taking stances I don't think she believes in. I agree that erratic is probably just a personality thing from the interactions we've had.

VOTE: Noraa

I like this

[Noraa]

looks like im playin team mafia after all

hello everybody (* >ω<)

Hi bat

Hi Morning (´･ω･`)

[Noraa]

You know, I'm almost done reading up but murder, I don't think ur plan is working.
Unless I'm just dumb and misinterpreted the plan, it doesn't really look like its generating anything that I can read off of?
Too many people here aren't familiar with my meta(and those are always annoying and tunnel me) and for the people that are, I'm not playing to my normal town meta this game so I don't see what you're trying to do.
Originally, I thought I understood what you were doing but I'm not seeing any good content or scumhunting happening with this shitty asf wagon on me?????

[Noraa]

why do you say that with regards to noraa?

I should probably ask what is different about her play?
Because I don't really see her current play as an effort to not get miselimed.

No what's different in my play is that I am looking at purposes. Why someone would post that and then trying to determine whether its from town or scum.

My old play style was kind of just "ok that feels scummy great its scum"

[Noraa]

also did not like this, feel like he's using past games to look credible, but i'm not sure what his actual point with noraa is other than she might be good as scum

agree. the case is shit as I've said multiple times.

[Noraa]

It's working

Am I missing something? Because I'm not able to sort morning off of this????
Morning's read on me is horrible but I realize that there are a lot of players that I expect to read me well that just don't sometimes. Like they catch scum!me a couple times and I'm like "yeah they will be able to tell this is town!me!!!" but then they SR me and I'm like "well ok so they never caught me in my scum games to begin with. it was just playstyle clash. what a troll."

[Noraa]

this concerns me

infinity has also said he's sussing you a bit because he thinks noraa is towny. i also thought jingle's case was pretty bad

Apparently Murder has some secret plan and actually TRs me :O

[Noraa]

Yeah i can sheep you on gyp
VOTE: gyp

im comfortable calling cake scum at this point. wtf is with all the wagon hopping.

[Noraa]

Why not
Zaiden called him an asshole I'd be offended too

No I don't think scum would be as offended because generally when townies say something like that, they are in a way, assuming you are town and calling you an asshole. But if ur scum, uk u aren't town and therefore not an asshole.

idk this logic might make no sense to anyone else but it makes sense to me.

[Noraa]

What wagon hopping
I've literally voted two people

you sheeped like so many votes if I remember correctly.

[Noraa]

i asked infinity about his noraa soulread and he said something like scum!noraa does things specifically to get townread while town!noraa probably spews whatever even if it might not look good. this in particular is pretty heartsong, as isis would say

ILY INFINITY <3333333333333

[Noraa]

Kanna locktown

[Noraa]

alright me and my team will take a look at that too then

Noraa, you wouldn't dare to roll scum again right

why would you think I'm scum here? Im obvtownnnnnnnnn

[Noraa]

Kanna locktown

Actually I take it back. Kanna might be scum. Kanna's never TR'ed town me before. Literally never. She's literally the one who would never see me as obvtown even if I am the most obvtown player in the entire game and every single person agrees.

[Noraa]

Kanna locktown

Actually I take it back. Kanna might be scum. Kanna's never TR'ed town me before. Literally never. She's literally the one who would never see me as obvtown even if I am the most obvtown player in the entire game and every single person agrees.

This didn't hit me til now but that's actually super concerning.
I feel like Kanna wouldn't even believe I was town if her mason buddy, Isis told her I was 100% town. Heck a cop clear might not even be enough.
Hm.
I don't think town!Kanna ever TRs town!me.
can't be possible.
no way.
I don't think so.
Jingle/Cake/Kanna

[Noraa]

VOTE: Jingle

Pretty obvious scum tbh. That vote on me is actually like absolute crap. I expect better from jingle.

Jingle is scummy but this OMGUS is shit

Most your posts are shit so idk why ur complaining.
I wouldn't even consider this omgus tbh especially if you think that case is shit.
If you (I'm assuming), a townie, thinks that the case on me is shit, wouldn't that mean that town!me would also find the case shit? Why would a vote then be considered OMGUS?

I think I'm down with a Jingle/Cake/Kanna scum team after a lot of thought. It fits nicely.

[Noraa]

and s_s and midway too?
I think you might have too many scumreads.

no those were promoted to nulls for the time being.

[Noraa]

Noraa's posting seems kinda fake this game
Like she's playing to the idea of her town meta but not actually emotional
I only really started seeing it on these last two pages

wow maybe because I have no interest in getting into my tenth slap fest this month?
If you like slap fests so much, go be in one yourself and tell me how it feels.

[Noraa]

EEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.
not liking gamma.

Why not?

mostly just didn't like the midway bear TR.
But someone else also said midway was town so maybe I'm just tunneled there at this point.

[Noraa]

Noraa what do u have to say to my read of you?

its shitty.

[Noraa]

What wagon hopping
I've literally voted two people

you sheeped like so many votes if I remember correctly.

?????????????????????????????????????????????????

perhaps I'm in the wrong game. nvm about that point.

[Noraa]

K so
Town: Noraa, Gypyx, Private, Zaidan, cheetory
Null: people
Scum: Jingle, Kanna, Cake

[Noraa]

@noraa, I think you should like take a step back and read for a bit and then come back with like.. summarized thoughts.
The freeform flow of thought posting isn't really helping you (and tbh I think the gamestate could use a little breathing room after yesterday). q_q

I still kind of think you're town here, but flipping from "this person is a townlean" to "this person is probably confscum" just optically makes it seem like your reads are made out of nothing.

I don't flip reads like this if scum tho :O

[Noraa]

But anyways my catchup is finished so I'm dipping out til tomorrow.

[Noraa]

I mean generally well known mods aren't terrible at mafia?
In fact I generally think well known mods are particularly GOOD at mafia.
And out of respect for your town game, I am SRing you cuz ur town game doesn't look this crappy.

[Noraa]

Your post 1057 sounds like a TR
1058 and 1059 sounds like a SR
your final decision?

[Noraa]

My jingle SR is much stronger than my Kanna SR.
Kanna just sucks at reading me generally so I'm weirded out that she's right but I'm waiting on her reply to that atm.
Jingle however has decided to take on the task of presenting the worst reads in the world here :/
Like SRing me is fine but with shitty reasons like the ones he presented, is not fine.

[Noraa]

I'd also like to take this opportunity to point out that Noraa has taken all the positions of:

I'm very obvious town and scumreading me is something only scum could do.
I always die D1.
I get called locktown by someone literally every game.
I'm actively manipulating my meta.
People in this thread are likely to misread me because they don't know me very well.

I can't be the only one who looks at that list and calls bullshit.

uh huh. oh so scummy.

[Noraa]

town jingle isn't this crappy. He just isn't.

[Noraa]

Your post 1057 sounds like a TR
1058 and 1059 sounds like a SR
your final decision?

1057 is being fair; 1058 is a point for you being scum even when I'm null on you; 1059 is pushing towards the wagon I want to build

Why do you want a Kanna wagon over Jingle? Do you literally think this shitty play comes from town!Jingle?
That is actually like super highly disrespectful to his town game which is not bad from my experience.

[Noraa]

town jingle isn't this crappy. He just isn't.

He absolutely is. Wait until D2 when he starts speculating about the setup

But way too many people have told me Jingle has one of the best town games on site and if this is it, that's super disappointing.

[Noraa]

What's your experience with town!Jingle?

I was in one game with him where he died when I repped in and I was one of the few that TRed him.
And then another where he had the right solve when I repped in.

[Noraa]

'Cause you just said "this is disrespectful to his towngame which is not bad in my experience" and then that many people have told you he's one of the best town players on site and that it would be disappointing of this is it.

Sounds to me like you want to throw shit at Jingle and that you know he's town in this game.

No this game is looking so bad for him that I think he can't be town. But if you want to misrep it, no ones gonna stop you.

[Noraa]

This was a throwback to yesterday where I predicted that Noraa would start gunning for your head soon.

I think I'm going to take Pink Ball's stance on Noraa here. Mostly observational, and I don't want to take a stance yet.
I find Noraa attacking Jingle's reads to be a weird stance to be taking. Besides his scumread on you and the earlier vote on PrivateI, what is wrong about his other reads?

BLEGH

Jingle's read on me is kinda dumpster fire? I mean I really don't see anything in that case that is even remotely good?

[Noraa]

I mean Dann's paragraph if Jingle is town, is also kinda just crappy as hell?
Like the first paragraph can easily be changed around and said as "Noraa was relaxed and jokey in RVS showing her comfort meaning she is town. Then she started getting into the game during her first catch up where she started thoroughly analyzing things yadda yadda"
Like its a huge perspective thing. If you choose to look at my actions and ask yourself if it comes from scum, you are always going to be able to find something.
The reason why I think Jingle is scum is because I don't feel like town jingle wouldn't understand that his entire case on me is weak as hell and not even close to enough to warrant a vote on me. Like I could understand town Jingle truly finding me scummy but for the reasons he listed, the max I would be willing to believe is a SL on me. But Jingle turns the heat up, brings it straight to a SR and votes me.

Jingle is basically saying that he has no stronger SRs than me when his case on me is the flimsiest little paragraph that I've ever seen.

[Noraa]

Jingle's case is not near half as strong as it needs to be to account for his level of confidence given his unfamiliarity with me.
he was not this quick to judge me in either of my past games with him and I just don't think he truly has me as his top SR here as town.
Again, if he SLed me, I could believe it came from town. In other words, it is not the fact that he finds me scummy that is the problem. It is his overwhelming confident in a couple super flimsy reasons.

[Noraa]

Overwhelming confidence in flimsy reasons generally comes from scum or noob town but unless you want me to somehow believe Jingle's town game is horrible, he is probably just scum.

[Noraa]

Ok I broke my reasoning down. Does it make sense and stuff?
If no, I will launch a wall on this. My thought process is like that and I have enough respect for his town game to think he wouldn't full on SR me at this point in time if town.

[Noraa]

I got your point, but your conclusion is a little vague. "Overwhelming confidence in flimsy reasons generally comes from scum or noob town", I couldn't agree less with you on that. But yes it makes sense where you're coming from if you believe that!

Well I do believe that so that's fun.

[Noraa]

And you believe that based on what?

I just do.

[Noraa]

Confidence comes from the dumb or the informed.

[Noraa]

DEEESCOSTANG
Jingle cases me hard but then jumps off once everyone agrees with it.... ew
Anyone that's town and has played with me before that thinks I'm scum here is ... dumb. When everyone wants me dead, I'm town. Period. This isn't death curse where I faked a town slip and was caught out. I never get called out day 1 if scum and anyone that thinks otherwise is dumb.

Murder nows the time to clarify if you TR or SR me. You claim you can always read me. Then call me town now.

[Noraa]

noraa have you ever considered ur playstyle is why you constantly die early rather than everyone else's fault

Literally all the game states for my town games are the exact same. It's not even hard to tell that everyone except maybe two people are fine with voting me out. Does no one understand that this NEVER happens in my town games?
Like its not even like a vibe thing or a whatever fancy smancy reason. One extra look at just the damn game state is all it should take?

[Noraa]

@Noraa: assume for the moment that both of us are town. What do you think that says about the gamestate rn?

it says that this game state is stupid and cake is just scum gassing me up.

[Noraa]

If you are town tho, Kanna might be town to.

[Noraa]

noraa have you ever considered ur playstyle is why you constantly die early rather than everyone else's fault

Literally all the game states for my town games are the exact same. It's not even hard to tell that everyone except maybe two people are fine with voting me out. Does no one understand that this NEVER happens in my town games?
Like its not even like a vibe thing or a whatever fancy smancy reason. One extra look at just the damn game state is all it should take?

*scum

[Noraa]

does da green think me town?

[Noraa]

:O
yay

[Noraa]

*throws a peach at gypyx's head*
can you come TR me?

[Noraa]

DGB thinks Noraa is scummy too

I don't think DGB has had a single game where they haven't SRed me so uh idc.

[Noraa]

if im being real then the last 5 pages made my townread on noraa evaporate considerably

You're a very surface level thinker then.

[Noraa]

XD how does calling you a surface level thinker = AtE??????

[Noraa]

why should i tr u right now?

cuz I have no reason to be actively derailing all the main wagons unless you happen to think all of them are my scum buddies ofc.

[Noraa]

ooooooooooooo cheetory locktown. Highest level of TR I got.

[Noraa]

It's incredibly stupid that I'm literally known for my scum games and dumbasses think my piece of shit town game is my scum game. like wtf.

[Noraa]

No not really because I haven't changed much.

[Noraa]

Plus even if I change my game, I have no reason to be making my scum game worse????????
If I were playing my scum game, I'd be a UTR rn that no one would question until at least day 3.

[Noraa]

i don't mean this in a rude way, but are noraa's reads always so messy as town? i noted a number of internal contradictions/inconsistencies/vague reasoning in the posts she made over the last couple of pages, and it made me worry that her gamesolving isnt coming from a real place

if this is standard for her town game then she probably is still just town

how else do you think I end up eating day 1 rope in all my town games?

[Noraa]

Plus who ever said messy = scum?

[Noraa]

Gamma, TR me.

[Noraa]

What was ur previous question?

[Noraa]

sure, but i find it funny that you're arguing that you are obvious town who should be townread by everyone here while simultaneously arguing that you're just so scummy as town that you end up getting chopped on d1 every game

don't those ideas seem a little contradictory?

No not really.
For the people that can read me(obviously not the people here), I am 100% obvious town.
For those who can't, they always SR town!me.

Most of MS in in the group that calls scum!me obvtown and town!me obvscum.
it's stupid as hell.

[Noraa]

Have you even read up, gamma?
I've explained them all. If you have a problem with the explanations, come find me.

[Noraa]

Confidence comes from the dumb or the informed.

For the people that can read me(obviously not the people here), I am 100% obvious town.

So are the people who can read you dumb or informed?

Is this snarky and useless comment all you have to say?

[Noraa]

Maria, what do you think are the odds of cake scum here?

[Noraa]

I feel like after he literally hydra'ed with me in one of my flawless scum wins, he shouldn't be this bad at sorting me.

[Noraa]

I don't even consider that game a real game
Nobody even tried and it was less than 20 pages

doesn't matter. I was UTR there and even if it was more active, I would've done just fine.

[Noraa]

Maria, what do you think are the odds of cake scum here?

Besides the fact Jingle W means Cakez=T Cakez is still in his town game range on my notepad. He hasn't done one of his obvious tells yet. If that changes you'll know.

I'm not sure if I know of any of these "obvious tells" but I'll patiently wait.

[Noraa]

Hopkirk told me he's less confident about his reads on Morning Tweet and Jake and to defer to Hectic. Hectic liked what Morning's doing in 873 and 904. She knows Murder is good at reading Noraa, and knows Pooky is good at reading Kanna, so the questions are meaningful to him. Hectic reckons based on 656 if Nora is scum, one of the scum would be one of Jake or Jingle because scum tend to be hyper aware of their partner, so she could mistake people commenting on Jake as commenting on Jingle, but it's unlikely she would make the same mistake if Jake is scum and Jingle is town. I understood what he meant about being hyper aware but I didn't get how that affects the likelihood of making mistakes. In this scenario Hectic showed a preference to Jingle being town because 865 and 877 showed he didn't care about rubbing people the wrong way and openly admitted to that, which scum would be more interested in avoiding. I didn't like Jingle's interaction with MWB comparing my wagon with Nora's in 883 and whether that was framed a dichotomy of two choices when I think there should be more options for wagons on the table. Also I'm confused how Jingle came around to a PB townread. They don't explain much here but I assume it's because of PB's support on Nora's wagon? I don't follow the logic of how that led to that particular townread. For Nora's vote on Jingle, I have no idea whether Jingle is a good player and whether they are playing below their standards? Didn't see this was an OMGUS until Cakez pointed that out - but is the OMGUS here alignment indicative for Nora? I wouldn't know but don't get the impression OMGUS would be AI is based on how hard Nora flip flop between their town/scum reads?

OH god wtf is this. Hectic please send help asap if ur buddy Zaidan here is actually town. this paragraph be dumpster fire :/

[Noraa]

Kanna just sucks at reading me generally so I'm weirded out that she's right but I'm waiting on her reply to that atm.

not sure what you want me to reply to? my teammates think you're town and after discussing with them, i agreed. i just read your catch up though and i had an epiphany that you're town by myself. i really see what infinity means by the spew whatever even if it looks bad = town!noraa now

i wouldn't say the "kanna can't read me" thing is accurate as well, i can point out to why i ended up reading you wrong in every one of those games and i think they were just unfortunate

Tell me what alignment morning is.

[Noraa]

Why?

I need to hear more about my alignment and less "if Noraa is ____, blah blah"

[Noraa]

You didn't comment on anything i said other than call it horrible (ノ﹏ヽ)

Yeah what more do you want? Shitty meta cases take a shitload of time to pick apart and when people are tunneled like you, its a waste of my time and energy to pick it apart.

[Noraa]

First off, I will focus on recent developments following my last post yesterday then reach far back to the early stages of the game after that. I like Morning Tweet's entrance so far they're a lot more active than Clidd but I'm not convinced about this push onto Nora being scum because I could believe the idea she's being pushed onto as an easy target the way I was made out as an easy target. However Morning Tweet lays out and explain the meta reason (please do this if you're using meta because if you don't say it I can't know) that apparently Nora is sitting back and spectating which is atypical for them? And then Nora kind of reacted by getting engaged into the game, which tells me this meta read must be true because otherwise Nora would have presumably said 'Bullshit. Your accusations are wrong scum!'. Also Murdersunny corroborates on this by saying Nora could very well be changing their meta but that they think it's NAI. Both Hectic and Hopkirk were confused why Nora (and anyone else) thought I was Hectic because he was clearly in another game. But her asking me twice about Hectic's read in what came across as good faith felt townie to them. They're flipping on a lot of their reads and it seems like paranoia to me. I don't think I've seen scum flip flop between reads that hard and that fast so based on my real life experience I feel inclined to believe this is town behaviour. Though I have no prior experience with them and if they've had a record of doing this as scum then I will have to reconsider that point.

this paragraph was also horrible. Both paragraphs with me in it were not very good. Like the reason to TR me is way too weak.

[Noraa]

Yeah good call on Maria SB
Creature raised some good points against her in our PT
Cheet's desire to sheep her is suspicious

Creature's also a paranoid old man because of PookyvFlava

[Noraa]

this paragraph was also horrible. Both paragraphs with me in it were not very good. Like the reason to TR me is way too weak.

I like his effort and it seems believable.

XD ur talking to someone that's the biggest try hard as scum ... ever.

[Noraa]

XD ur talking to someone that's the biggest try hard as scum ... ever.

I don't think you should scumread him for his read on you being "bad". That is all.

it feels super weak considering hoppy and hectic are helping him. that's my point.

[Noraa]

Yeah but its kinda stupid - those reasons I mean?
Like Zaidan is like "Noraa is jumping around and paranoid - town"
But then Jingle is like "Noraa doesn't have a clear path of thought - scum"
its like wtf. y'all talking about the same thing and calling me two different alignments for the same thing. Can people stop using shitty arguments that can literally be used to justify a completely different read???

[Noraa]

*angry*

[Noraa]

Yeah, I can see how this is frustrating. I do think different people can read things different ways, so in terms of their alignment, it isn't too sus.

Its shitty and stupid.

[Noraa]

I don't really know what my read on Maria is but at least she's not SRing me for shit reasons is kinda my opinion on it.