Ahh yes, I’m going for the classic “put both your partners in the PoE and then push them” scum flag game gambitIn post 2077, Firebringer wrote:I just realize that means if all my townreads are right its Chennis/Flops/Mena
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In post 2079, Menalque wrote:
Ahh yes, I’m going for the classic “put both your partners in the PoE and then push them” scum flag game gambitIn post 2077, Firebringer wrote:I just realize that means if all my townreads are right its Chennis/Flops/Mena"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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U are not integral to my solve, it’s entirely plausible it’s chenn/infinity/flopzIn post 2081, Firebringer wrote:
from ur perspective im doing that as well so don't know what ur talking about.In post 2079, Menalque wrote:
Ahh yes, I’m going for the classic “put both your partners in the PoE and then push them” scum flag game gambitIn post 2077, Firebringer wrote:I just realize that means if all my townreads are right its Chennis/Flops/Mena"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Ahh yes that controversial hot take that *checks notes* nobody bar super strongly disagrees withIn post 2084, Firebringer wrote:I think AL is town for having the most controversial hot takes"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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I’m just saying my very funny dodgeball gif only applies to you believing I can be scum with (chenn, flopz) whereas my solve doesn’t require thinking there’s any bizarro bussing taking place at allIn post 2089, Firebringer wrote:
I am very hurt that u don't think im important.In post 2086, Menalque wrote:
U are not integral to my solve, it’s entirely plausible it’s chenn/infinity/flopzIn post 2081, Firebringer wrote:
from ur perspective im doing that as well so don't know what ur talking about.In post 2079, Menalque wrote:
Ahh yes, I’m going for the classic “put both your partners in the PoE and then push them” scum flag game gambitIn post 2077, Firebringer wrote:I just realize that means if all my townreads are right its Chennis/Flops/Mena"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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No, no compromise, we pick between the blocs today to see which is rightIn post 2091, Auro wrote:Flopz is the slot everyone has in their scumreads. Would you compromise for a Flopz elim, Menalque"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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I mean these are very literally the only outcomes if we elim super and then infinityIn post 2096, chennisden wrote:2) Really? That'd be news to me
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I wanted to be chill and have a nice calm and cooperative game but that ain’t fuckin happening so if that means I have to be an ass who sits here and insists that there will be no compromise in any circumstance then that’s who I’m gonna be this gameIn post 2099, chennisden wrote:Menalque the way that ur so sure of ur solve and want to do things ur way makes me super annoyed because its the kind of thing that comes from town more often than not"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Also this is not totally trueIn post 2099, chennisden wrote:Menalque the way that ur so sure of ur solve
I think very strongly that infinity is scum and nobody is listening
Therefore I’m willing to do whatever it takes to make people listen to that
This isn’t hard, that can include me dying/super dying if it leads to an infinity kill
HOWEVER I’m also aware that I /could/ be the one who’s totally wrong here and that super is scum and I’m really fucking up. It has happened before, anuket topaz the open game is a good example. As a hedge against that, I’m willing to check if my TR is right provided that new info then means it’s impossible to continue to ignore me
Obviously I would prefer to kill super out of me/her if it has to go down that way, but like I’m p confident on her and so I’m willing to be the sacrificial lamb if it has to go down that way"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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It would be exceptionally dumb not to and I don’t get why you’re making out that this is a weird thing for people to doIn post 2104, chennisden wrote:
Super is scum, Super town infinity scum, or Super town Infinity town are the only options, yes. Isn't math greatIn post 2100, Menalque wrote:
I mean these are very literally the only outcomes if we elim super and then infinityIn post 2096, chennisden wrote:2) Really? That'd be news to me
3) Really? Not losing would be news to me
Btw "that'd be news to me" in the second case meant "if you actually got ppl to take u seriously after pulling the 'OK LETS KILL MY TR but but but we ALSO kill my SR after' shit""we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Are you really going with the line of “yes mena, after you’ve been demonstrably proved right about a slot that multiple other people were wrong about, and now want to guillo the slot that the CONFIRMED TOWN player ALSO WANTED TO KILL people will be /less likely/ to listen to you”"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Yes, but I would say that if infinity not scum probably do seriously re-examine her again on D3In post 2111, Auro wrote:Also I'm assuming that your offer went both ways - you're okay with an elim on yourself if Super gets to lead D2, correct?
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TrueIn post 2112, Auro wrote:
Just putting this out - if you/Super are town and AL is also town this would leave scum in aIn post 2094, Menalque wrote:That means either we elim in me/super or we kill who me/super wantveryconvenient position
Good thing infinity isn’t town hey?"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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But real talk, given that it’s a flag game town should still have a decent chance of winning even if we are all 3 town
It’s the people who stood on the sidelines and supported the plan while being mildly critical of it who are prob scum in a world where all 3 of us are town"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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I don’t think it puts us in a worse position than we’re in now because I fully intend to deathtunnel infinity until he’s dead and scumflipped or we’re both dead
That includes an insta vote in lylo if we ever get there
I have no interest in bothering with anyone else beyond whether they’re willing to vote infinity with me or to vote me and then kill infinity tomorrow"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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I can’t sleep yet but I think I am gonna sign out because I just wrote out a slightly longer post than this one and it wasn’t very nice
I’m very frustrated with literally everyone apart from super and I guess johnny, but especially with chennis who I feel is being intentionally obtuse this game if he’s not scum (I guess he can be doing that as scum too but then I’m less annoyed because he’s just playing to wincon)"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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For what it’s worth I no longer have a great deal of faith in you being town, or if you are then I at the very least have no faith in you being someone I can successfully work with!In post 2138, lilith2013 wrote:auro do you have a read on me?
everyone's reads on me now feel lazy, I think I efforted too hard and now I have no one to yell at for not townreading me properly"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Run me through how this is in any way true when there are 2.5 slots willing to vote infinity in the entire PLIn post 2344, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Infin - got that LHF property a bit. Seems like everyone's down to lim. Would rather not vote"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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God I fuckin love that you’re hereIn post 2350, Super wrote:Johnny you say everyone is down to elim Autumn??? huh? it's literally just Mena and I right now"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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In post 2152, lilith2013 wrote:@mena I think it bears repeating that I'm working probably 12-15 hour days 6 days a week right now and have zero mental energy to parse anything like what you and infinity posted at each other today. I will get to it when I have time/brainpower. once I feel comfortable actually being in a place in this game I will, like, put myself on a wagon or add my momentum somewhere. telling me to blindly sheep isn't going to convince me to do anything. sorry if you feel frustrated but like that is not who I am. I'll stop there.
@auro see above. no.
for what it's worth I have been working on multiple theories of why this game is turning out the way it is but again, minimal brainpower available.
Okay, so I think there are two things I’d like to address here regarding you @liliIn post 2155, lilith2013 wrote:actually, no, I think this is also worth saying:
you've just told me that I'm not someone you can successfully work with but tbh I feel like you've just expected me to say "okay!" and cave and do whatever you want - and you're more interested in making whatyouwant happen than in actually working together. and that's representative of your entire attitude this game. you're not the town leader just because you said so. if you actually want me/people to work with you then you can't demand everyone obey and expect that we will.
Firstly, the frustration. The post I wanted to make could basically have been summed up as “I’m finding this game very frustrating because I think there is obvscum present, I think I’ve tried to be reasonable and to explain why, I’ve checked that I’m not being biased by running it past my team who also think infinity is just terrible terrible terrible this game, and nobody will support my push on scum despite the reasons for /not/ doing so being incredibly weak — added to this, I think I’ve been very towny, I don’t think anything I’m doing makes much sense for me to do as scum unless you think my scumgame is literally purely bluffing (which it’s demonstrably not from previous examples) and if I were scum there are almost certainly paths of less resistance for me to take”.
I know you haven’t really been able to get into the game, and that’s partly why I’m frustrated — it felt like you were being resistant to TRing me for reasons that I don’t get, and on top of that you weren’t willing to give me a chance by sheeping me even to the point of being the third vote on a wagon I was and am very confident is on scum. Generally, when I want people to work with me, that doesn’t mean I want to be blind sheeped — but when I’m actively asking someone to help me apply pressure somewhere, they’re not voting elsewhere, and they’re saying they think X is scummy then I find it very frustrating when I don’t get material support. Especially when I was attempting to offer you a deal in the form of backing flopz tomorrow if you helped me with infinity today.
I don’t think I just expect people to obey when I say something. But I do think I’ve given strong reasons for why infinity is scum, nobody has given a good refutation of those reasons, nobody is willing to vote him despite that, and I think that the lack of ability for him to pick up votes is also very scum!indicative given that if only 2 town can not identify scum (and I’m confident that we have one who is unable to do so, aka koba) then only one other town needs to be wrong, provided scum won’t bus, and it becomes impossible to elim scum.
I wanted to address this separately — it wasn’t an attempt to make you guilty. It was a very earnest frustration which I think I’ve explained the reasons for above. I’m still finding it annoying, but my intention wasn’t to make you feel bad or to manipulate you into supporting what I want. I wouldn’t do that, and I’m sorry you think I would. I’d yell at you maybe, if I was scum and wanted to get you to do a thing, but I wouldn’t try to guilt you into it. I’m aware you probably can’t trust this but I’ll repeat it postgame, guilt is not my style.In post 2173, lilith2013 wrote:to try to collect some of my thoughts into coherent sentences:
I don’t think it’s fair for mena to take potshots at people who aren’t doing what he wants. I saw he apologized but I feel like his post was supposed to make me feel guilty that I wasn’t trying hard enough to please him or something. I really dislike feeling guilt tripped."we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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I think it looks bad that he still isn’t voting infinity when the reason he gave for not voting there is demonstrably untrue and has been for a /while/In post 2367, Super wrote:
what do you think of Johnny? their post was so bad idk whether they're bad town or scummy as fuckIn post 2353, Menalque wrote:
God I fuckin love that you’re hereIn post 2350, Super wrote:Johnny you say everyone is down to elim Autumn??? huh? it's literally just Mena and I right now"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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NoIn post 2371, chennisden wrote:Stop raging at town and try to play the game or we are going to LOSE and we are going to DESERVE IT.
Youare going to deserve it, if you’re town, which I doubt
Super and I are not going to deserve it at all given that we want to flip scum and the rest of town is /at best/ being obstructivist"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Lmao okayIn post 2381, chennisden wrote:Actually no you're just scum Menalque and you're just buddying the easiest targetchenny"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Are you lying or did you just forget how to readIn post 2382, chennisden wrote:You haven't done jack shit other than suck up to Super this entire game"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Yeah okayIn post 2421, chennisden wrote:Correction: You havent done shit other than refuse to cooperate with anyone not named Superchennissure thingchennis"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Because unless you magically became super fucking incompetent while you were away from site then you’re too good to not know that I’m town and infinity is scum
And I could tie myself into knots trying to make up excuses for how you’re playing like this “oh maybe he’s out of practice” “oh maybe it’s a bad game for him” but occam’s is the answer and occam’s is that you’re playing like you have a scum agenda BECAUSE you have a scum agenda"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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You signed up to play a game, fucking vote for scum and stop voting town thenIn post 2440, Firebringer wrote:stop making the game unfun
I won’t be shamed for coming to play the game
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Yeah cause there’s a whole lot of point talking to brick walls or scumIn post 2449, Firebringer wrote:So instead of trying to convince everyone that infinity is scum."we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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This is just an open scumclaim lmaoIn post 2457, chennisden wrote:The way I win games as scum is by letting the kind of people who would screw over the entire thread think I'm scum, that way they get removed from the game - either in spirit or by forceful ejection"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Do I look like I give a fuckIn post 2460, chennisden wrote:
And I dont see a wagon forming on me buddyIn post 2458, Menalque wrote:
This is just an open scumclaim lmaoIn post 2457, chennisden wrote:The way I win games as scum is by letting the kind of people who would screw over the entire thread think I'm scum, that way they get removed from the game - either in spirit or by forceful ejection
It’s immaterial to me if I’m eliminated today because at least I no longer have to play in this clusterfuck game
And if I need to die for people to see that you and infinity are both just scum so be it"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Do you think you come out of this looking good tomorrow lmaoIn post 2462, chennisden wrote:Pro tip: if nobody is taking your case seriously, maybe it's you who needs to be more convincing, not them who needs to be "better at the game.""we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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