Sunny 2: Rules of Im-peachment - Over!

[Noraa]

why did you let Noraa into the townblock earlier today PB if you're SRing Noraa like this rn

good question.

[Noraa]

I'm fine with voting private. I've said that multiple times today but apparently Mr. I solved the whole game hasn't even been reading the game.

[Noraa]

I'm fine with voting private. I've said that multiple times today but apparently Mr. I solved the whole game hasn't even been reading the game.

I don't see your vote

Maybe because I said I wanted the hammer ... also multiple times but ofc you didnt see those.

[Noraa]

If Monty flips scum, yes. I'm even going further with this and say that I think you're scum even if Monty flips town. But if Monty is town, I retract my scumread on Noraa; Noraa is basically conftown if MorningTweet is scum.

OH NO LOOK WHO IS REEVALUATING NOW.
HOLY FUCKS THIS MUST BE SCUM.
~said in pink ball's voice~

[Noraa]

Half of Pink ball's points on me being scum are dumb. The rest is eh.

[Noraa]

Hey Noraa, since your sudden realization that I'm town, aren't you impressed by how I got Spring eliminated? 'Cause your scumread on me seemed to me as "this guy must be informed to be that confident and be right at the same time". What is it, Noraa? Am I like god emperor town, or am I awful just because I'm wrong on you? Or am I right?

I don't understand, really!

You probably just got lucky on spring is my current opinion on that.

[Noraa]

Yeah well if you call that a fact, then I can call my own posts facts as well.

[Noraa]

If Spring dies, you both gete towncred

???????????????????????
where's my towncred?

[Noraa]

Its a soft guilty and you said that yourself. Why should I do anything about it?
Fwiw I do think its kind of convenient that you watched SPF last night but I do believe the claim and will town bin you for now.

how exactly could the claim have been fabricated?

well the scum know who they are gonna kill so uh that would be where the fabrication comes in???

[Noraa]

Whats dumb is that regardless of what Private flips, Pink ball is going to scum read me because he's tunneled.
And I have yet to figure out if he's just scum cuz his solve is so awful im not even sure im willing to town bin at this point.

Why I say he will SR me regardless of Privates flip:
If Private flips town and I was one of the last votes on the wagon, its obvious what he's gonna say regardless of the things he's saying right now.
And then apparently if Private flips scum, im the buddy cuz ~reasons~

[Noraa]

Noraa, PB is literally confirmed town for that claim.

I disagree.

[Noraa]

Everyone who sends fruit that doesn't explicitly do something is sending that fruit to PB.

I'm like 90% sure that PB doesn't die tonight.

Every non protective role claims tomorrow.

ooo this plan is nice. I stan.

[Noraa]

and the other two players..?

no the night action definitely happened. I was just saying its quite a coincidence that watcher just happened to watch the night 1 nk.

[Noraa]

See, this is what paranoia looks like. Not what Noraa tried to do at the start of this day

What I did at the start of the day was not paranoia. My read had nothing to do with being paranoid of you.

[Noraa]

UNVOTE:
I want today to settle a bit before anything happens.

you prob shouldn't do this otherwise you'll get accused of derailing by the grand scumhunter

[Noraa]

To be honest, I think gamma is scum here and not anyone else that is talking a shit ton rn(ie Murder, Pink Ball, Jingle, cheet)
I could see Murder as scum here. I could see it but I don't think its a top priority for today and there's been so many pushers that I honestly just think murder is just town here.
I find a lot of problems in gamma being my biggest defender until the moment some people start voicing suspicions on me. Like yes personal reads are influenced by consensus reads but I don't think reads are ever THAT fluid.

[Noraa]

And competent players in said townblock.

If murder is also town, you are certainly not a "competent player"

[Noraa]

I'm currently looking at a scum team of Kanna/Private/Cake/Gamma/____

I see what people are getting at with murder - that his logic is kind of flawed and he's being dramatic. I agree for the most part but I also think it's very easy to push a townie into a corner this way. There's only a couple things he can reply to look town and when that's the situation, there are very slim possibilities that you will find him looking town regardless of his actual role pm color.

Private is not a scum read I agree with all that much to be honest. But the wagon seems a lot like kannas and I'm willing to assume the consensus scum read is just correct here.

I feel like Cake is agreeing with me too much. Yes, a couple agreements and all is fine ya but when there's way too many and not any paranoia towards me at all, it's just not right.

Gamma has been my biggest defender but at the same time once core town block people say im scum, he flips faster than you can imagine.

Cases are weak but its where im at and I'll expand as I go.

[Noraa]

I'm currently looking at a scum team of Kanna/Private/Cake/Gamma/____

I see what people are getting at with murder - that his logic is kind of flawed and he's being dramatic. I agree for the most part but I also think it's very easy to push a townie into a corner this way. There's only a couple things he can reply to look town and when that's the situation, there are very slim possibilities that you will find him looking town regardless of his actual role pm color.

Private is not a scum read I agree with all that much to be honest. But the wagon seems a lot like kannas and I'm willing to assume the consensus scum read is just correct here.

I feel like Cake is agreeing with me too much. Yes, a couple agreements and all is fine ya but when there's way too many and not any paranoia towards me at all, it's just not right.

Gamma has been my biggest defender but at the same time once core town block people say im scum, he flips faster than you can imagine.

Cases are weak but its where im at and I'll expand as I go.

I'm going to fuck myself over with my controversial reads but I really don't care because they are what I am seeing currently but I think the fifth member is cheetory.
Reason: gut.

[Noraa]

that doesn't add up

[Noraa]

three way bus drives don't exist im pretty sure.

[Noraa]

wait fuck stop the game. does that mean that pink ball is lying? cuz if he got bus driven, then he wouldn't have been able to watch spf

[Noraa]

Who got the peach that pink ball vended?

[Noraa]

I got two peaches and I have evidence that I did not get pink balls peach bc I crumbed both of my peaches in my opening poem.

[Noraa]

No but bus drives would've made Pinkball's target Jingle's target and vice versa

[Noraa]

If anyone hammers private before this discussion is done, it is a full on scum claim.

[Noraa]

I'm very confused atm but I will say that I did not get a loring. I got a Ventura and a mystery one that can be easily confirmed later on if need be(because I also crumbed that one but im pretty sure I know who sent me it and also why as well)

[Noraa]

We need to know who got the loring.

[Noraa]

cuz that'll be the bus driven person in a funky ass bus drive

[Noraa]

that's not how that works
a and b get bus driven
c visits a, the action ends up affecting b
it doesn't affect anything a or b does unless one targets the other

oh. wait so then who got bus driven?

[Noraa]

ok nvm jingle said not to ask.

[Noraa]

OH WAIT IT ALL MAKES SENSE

[Noraa]

Gamma sent to PB but jingle received it so that means PB and jingle were swapped but PB sent a peach to jingle so he should've gotten the peach himself.

[Noraa]

Ok I think I get what's going on now but its not as spicy as I was hoping. I was hoping it was incriminating but I fail to understand why PB wouldn't just tell us that he got his own peach.
But if that's the case ... then maybe he didnt get his own peach cuz he was RBed or something.
Hm.
Weird but not guilty

[Noraa]

Ig if he was RBed, that would be a full on guilty but that'd be weird and scum would have to have a watcher or that weird factional ability that someone else mentioned.

[Noraa]

Anyways lets get this sorted out and then after that, I call the hammer on private and yeah!

[Noraa]

Also note that Pink Ball derped off the moment this discussion started. Call this grasping at straws but it is quite a coincidence if not scum indicative.

[Noraa]

I'm actually kinda interested in this game now lol. I have stuff to do so uh try not to end day because I want my hamma and yeah I shall be back laters.

[Noraa]

A good plan could be to have all fruit vendors target a certain person, have Pink Ball watch that person and then have the protective on pink ball.

[Noraa]

That way even if the certain person dies, we still have all the peaches and flavor and stuffs.

[Noraa]

This leashes all scum and town peaches to that one person.
Ok maybe that's not a good idea actually.

[Noraa]

We might even up outing all our prs that way.

[Noraa]

I thought the peach flavors was what we wanted?

[Noraa]

Oh wait. PB doesn't get the peach flavors that way.

[Noraa]

Nevermind.

[Noraa]

wait why do we want fruits to target non pb persons?

[Noraa]

If we have a vigilante shoot Morning Tweet or S_S right?

I would recommend morning tweet because of how underwhelming she is this game.

[Noraa]

What is Private at? I want the hamma

[Noraa]

Um so the error happened on my end but really doesn't change anything. Just something went wonky with my night action is all.

[Noraa]

I am upset that I didnt get my hammer.

[Noraa]

I stepped away for a little bit and my hammer was stolen >:(

[Noraa]

VOTE: close thread
we get the flip faster if we do this

no we don't. UT said tomorrow at 5.

[Noraa]

Oh! I didnt know that
VOTE: Close thread

[Noraa]

It's probably not horrible to vig me if private flips scum since I'll look bad and be a liability to town.

[Noraa]

If private flips town, {Mt, S_S}

[Noraa]

I sent my peachie to PB

[Noraa]

I actually think murder is town. I don’t think this kill is a good sign(in general).

I think its a good sign. I highly doubt watcher is our strongest pr.

[Noraa]

I actually thought there was a chance Pink Ball was scum big braining.

I was pretty convinced at the end of the day that pink ball was scum

[Noraa]

I lean MT but don't have a strong feeling about it
Noraa looks worse with the PB flip

uh no. PB said that I was town if Private flipped town.
Scum!me doesn't panic nor explain much yesterday in this situation cuz scum!me knows private gonna flip town, pb gonna back off and life gonna be good.

[Noraa]

I lean MT but don't have a strong feeling about it
Noraa looks worse with the PB flip

uh no. PB said that I was town if Private flipped town.
Scum!me doesn't panic nor explain much yesterday in this situation cuz scum!me knows private gonna flip town, pb gonna back off and life gonna be good.

Also. I said vig should vig me if private flips scum due to associatives. That statement looks absolutely horrid given the private green flip and the situation that happened yesterday with pink ball. Scum!me has ZERO reason to make myself look that bad. It is one million percent TSTBS and anyone that doesnt see that is scum. Period. It is very clear that my play yesterday was absolutely game throwing as scum given the good position I was in.

[Noraa]

Cake is very very likely scum.
I would say out of MT and S_S, I favor S_S and think Morning is scum. As for why, the reasons are weak but I'll say them anyways. I feel like morning has this weird certainty but not like ... certain enough. Cuz if town, Morning should be like 200% sure S_S is scum cuz a town watcher literally confirmed all that stuff. Idk it just feels off the lack of certainty. But im sure if S_S is scum, they'll do something else thats even more scum indicative.

[Noraa]

My team really really wants Maria dead

Maria is town is my current opinion on this. Cake is scum trying to save MT/S_S whichever is the buddy.

[Noraa]

pooky shouldn't get to coast this cycle.

agree.

[Noraa]

Also, I think people coasting(Jake/Pooky style) generally happen to be town more often than not.

no. Pooky generally picks up activity once some attention is shifted onto him as town.
As scum he actually reads the thread tho soooo im not entirely sure if this is scum indicative.

[Noraa]

You asking to be vigged if Private flips scum doesn't look bad to me.

It does look bad to a certain extent. It kind of looks like the "oh she's informed and knows private gonna flip town so she did this for towncred"

which is not accurate. I did it bc I figured pink ball was just gonna tunnel me to my death if I stayed alive which would result in a waste of a lim.

[Noraa]

its good that pooky's here. I request that no one votes beyond this.

[Noraa]

its good that pooky's here. I request that no one votes beyond this.

this is not conducive to my "Fastest Day Ever" Plan

Your fastest day ever plan sucks. It's a horrible idea and if we mislim today, the rest of the game is gonna be a lot more difficult.

[Noraa]

I'm pretty happy pinkball is dead tbh. I realize how shitty this sounds but yeah, he was controlling the game state too much just off of a watcher claim.
But on the bright side, we have confirmed at least one scum in {Morning, S_S}

[Noraa]

she claimed the same peach as kanna

she didnt counterclaim kanna or mention it at all?

her "um" is weak and lolol

UT's mod error did have something to do with peach flavors being mixed up right?

[Noraa]

I'm pretty happy pinkball is dead tbh. I realize how shitty this sounds but yeah, he was controlling the game state too much just off of a watcher claim.

im kinda sad i wont get to sheep pinkbrain the entire game

You're sad you didnt get a chance to mislim me?

[Noraa]

You're sad you didnt get a chance to mislim me?

noraa i've literally never mis-limmed you ever.

ah so you think im scum here?

[Noraa]

ah so you think im scum here?

are you on drugs?

Pink ball wanted me dead.
You say you want to sheep him.
That means you think im scum.

[Noraa]

UT's mod error did have something to do with peach flavors being mixed up right?

the mod error has nothing to do with kanna claiming dixie red peach and mt supposedly being a dixie red peach vendor and not mentioning it at all lol.

Where did kanna claim this? Also I'd love to hear an explanation from morning because I am 99% sure everyone has their own peach flavor.

[Noraa]

rofl pink ball didnt want you dead

pooky do you need glasses or something?
Pink ball was literally like "NORAA IS SCUM. VIG HER. ELIM HER. ANYTHING BUT LEAVE HER BE"

[Noraa]

for my claim, i'm nothing special actually, i'm a compulsive fruit vendor selling dixie red peaches.

interesting....

[Noraa]

i feel like we might not exist in the same reality

perhaps.

[Noraa]

Pooky im telling you right now that if morning flips town, I am yeeting you quick as hell tomorrow.
Morning and Kanna are two people that you are known to read correctly and I will not believe you are fucking up in a tm game if this one is wrong. Legitimately I will not believe it.

The reason I say this is because Morning is starting to remind me of her in Chara's folly and that is worrying me. In that game, I was the person that sussed morning in limlo and cost town the entire game.

[Noraa]

Pooky im telling you right now that if morning flips town, I am yeeting you quick as hell tomorrow.
Morning and Kanna are two people that you are known to read correctly and I will not believe you are fucking up in a tm game if this one is wrong. Legitimately I will not believe it.

The reason I say this is because Morning is starting to remind me of her in Chara's folly and that is worrying me. In that game, I was the person that sussed morning in limlo and cost town the entire game.

um if tweetie flips town, shouldn't you be yeeting SS tommorrow?

Confscum aint gonna grow wings and fly away. You however could potentially do it.

[Noraa]

I checked timestamps and Morning's last post that day was before SB claimed to be a dixie red peach vendor.
I will probably just believe that she didn't see that claim and was offline. The question now shifts towards whether we think the mod would provide a fakeclaim that overlaps with a town role. I think this is more like to happen if town fruit are not unique which doesn't seem to be the case (but I might be wrong).
I also think that if MT/SB are w/w. It's quite weird for them to fakeclaim the same role lol(but there could be WIFOM involved here)

nah if morning is scum, this isn't wifom. Probably just a "oopsie I took your fakeclaim and forgot to tell you"

[Noraa]

Cake is very very likely scum.

Why

he just feels extremely fence sitty.

[Noraa]

nah if morning is scum, this isn't wifom. Probably just a "oopsie I took your fakeclaim and forgot to tell you"

Why do you think Spring Breeze choose to steal a VT fake claim?

it might've been a xenoblade situation where there are 5 claims but it doesn't specifically say whose is whose. Most likely all of the scum fake claims are just compulsive fruit vendors of different flavors.

[Noraa]

Noraa chill, mt is scum and Pooky is town

how do you know?

[Noraa]

.........................

[Noraa]

IT's impossible that both are town, zaiden. Unless you seem to think scum has a ninja which ... FUCK that actually does make sense cuz town has a watcher.
fuck.
eww.
ugh.
I hope its not that situation cuz that'd suck big time.

[Noraa]

Oh cool I didnt know that.

[Noraa]

Can morning and S_S claim their peach flavors?

[Noraa]

Not role. flavor.

[Noraa]

ok just S_S actually cuz morning already claimed

[Noraa]

I actually do think that morning is lying cuz I do believe that no one received the peaches she claims to have vended otherwise it would have been pointed out that the peaches of the dead scum are going around.

[Noraa]

On Gypyx interfering with Jake's night action

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Noraa]

I actually do think that morning is lying cuz I do believe that no one received the peaches she claims to have vended otherwise it would have been pointed out that the peaches of the dead scum are going around.

u think she fake claims FV?

EVERYONE IS A LITERALY FV WHY IS THAT WEIRD?

[Noraa]

I think I'm pretty done with gypyx this game. He's way too scummy.
Like he's asked multiple times why someone would fake claim FV when it's literally obvious as hell that is what the fakeclaims/real claims for scum would be!!!!

[Noraa]

If morning is scum, gypyx scum, pooky town, S_S town.

[Noraa]

Scum team be like : Kanna/Morning/Gypyx/Jingle/Cheetory
Thats my current guess.
If its S_S,
then Kanna/S_S/Cheetory/Pooky/____

[Noraa]

Or actually, cake and gamma were pretty scummy too so those are backups if any of the main are wrong.

[Noraa]

Cheetory is scum because funky noraa logic. I have never found a person more towny than cheetory and what that means is that cheetory is scum or he has a very similar thought process to my own and generally people dont have similar thought processes to me so I just think his game is perfectly towny because he's scum making sure thats how it comes off.

[Noraa]

is murder town for you Noraa?

meh I didnt like the end of the day play because it seemed a lot like trying to make me look bad with him but for now, tentative TL

[Noraa]

I dont think 5 is excessive but I also dont know shit about setup balance sooo yeah.

[Noraa]

Can morning and S_S claim their peach flavors?

Rio Grande.

I vended to two dead people, though, so it's unlikely to matter.

ugh.

[Noraa]

This is annoying - that your peaches can't be confirmed >:(

Ok well imma think on this a bit more but before I do much, I want gypyx to confirm my night 1 peach, Springprince

[Noraa]

This is annoying - that your peaches can't be confirmed >:(

Would it matter if they could? Obviously scum can give out peaches too, or the game would be hilariously broken.

Well but morning doesn't seem to be able to confirm a single peach ....

[Noraa]

My peach flavor was changed from Pix Zee

[Noraa]

why'd you FV me tho lol

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh this is gonna sound like the stupidest shit I ever said but I figured that if scum had a FV, then there was probably not a ton of town FV so I would be conftown by even being able to vend fruit and you didnt TR me much so I figured I could tell your alignment by sending you a peach.
What I overlooked was that
1) the peach doesn't come with a name
2) there's like two billion peach vendors and I aint special cofntown for it :/

[Noraa]

Well but morning doesn't seem to be able to confirm a single peach ....

Well yeah, because she has to claim to have vended to spf N1, and everyone was supposed to vend to PB last night.

Oh right I forgot about that.

[Noraa]

Cheetory is scum because funky noraa logic.

despite my insistence that it's unnecessary
shea would like me to

*boop snoot*

and tell you to look for mafia elsewhere
and I feel obliged to do this primarily because he's been patiently listening to my constant brain-dump-ravings in the discord.

My snoot was booped.
*shakes head a little*
I shall consider it.

[Noraa]

My peach flavor is empress, Noraa can corroborate.

yes queeeeeeen

[Noraa]

I dont think 5 is excessive but I also dont know shit about setup balance sooo yeah.

Did you float a 5 person scum team to your team?

no my team barely coordinates stuff lol. I started out this game certain this game had 3 scum bc I got switched outta the mini theme.

[Noraa]

i cant believe noraa is trying to dumb tell on the number of scum yet again after death curse rofl

you are the best noraa

never change

I got a role pm to the mini theme and thought I was going there so its not really unreasonable in any way to be confused but also, I'd be that person that would dumb tell that as scum and you know it.

[Noraa]

But it is not unreasonable for scum noraa to take not knowing how many scum there are and the line of questioning probably won’t lead me to a lockdown read. Or at least that’s what you appear to be saying.

Fwiw I also think noraa is more town than scum atm.

Pedit: confirmation from noraa, sweet.

Noraa would you do the same thing as town?

uh I am doing this right now and I am town...

[Noraa]

You are explicitly faking a lack of knowledge on scum team composition? Like, you knew that the game was likely 14:4 or 13:1:4 and proposed a five person scum team anyway?

uh no?

[Noraa]

We have received no indication that scum vends non peaches, and in fact there is sufficient reason to believe the opposite. That leads to the question of why would SB claim her partner’s peach flavor in the first place.

Case 1: The scum all shared peach flavors early and SB accidentally used her partner’s flavor.
Case 2: The mod error included MT and SB.
Case 3: There are duplicate peach flavors.

I’m sure there are additional cases, those are only the ones that have occurred to me between when I started posting/reading today and now. I’m trying to work out which one is the truth.

Case 1: most likely
Case 2: we would've heard about it by now if that was the case. Morning heard the accusation and did not say anything about her own peach flavor changing so that was not a mod error.
Case 3: highly unlikely

[Noraa]

that's kinda rude.

[Noraa]

Case 3: highly unlikely

No reason not to check.

I'm fine with checking and have already confirmed my peach and flavor.

[Noraa]

Yesterday it was I agree with you too much
Now I'm too fence sitty
Get off my butt, you're just pulling random stuff out.

good way to discredit

[Noraa]

weren't you literally just convinced I was scum?

Now I am 100% convinced
as always, reasons shall come later and this one especially bc im thinking about how to word it but I will be mindblown if you are town here cuz this just isn't your town game. You'll get a lot of valuable meta from me on you this game so you dying which results in weakening your team is absolutely worth it.

[Noraa]

I don't think MT/Noraa are scum together because I wouldn't expect 1430 to be a thing.
What was PB's take?

Lol. If anyone believes scum theatre looks like

that

I'll be annoyed.
Scum doesn't just go "hey scum buddy go make up with the other scum buddy" in the main thread. Scum goes to the pt and says "dumbo stop tunneling your own scumbuddy"

[Noraa]

Morning tunneled my on day 1 if anyone still remembers. Dropped like three wall cases on me which lead to my refusal to engage her.
This is not what scum theatre looks like.
If Morning flips scum, I am more conftown than anyone else in the game

[Noraa]

I can prolly go find a couple posts that highlight what I'm saying here. I'll be right back.

[Noraa]

Hi Pooky hi midway hi PB!

clidd isn't in the team discord so no headstart for me

hi Murderkitty!

First thing I notice is that she didn't say hi to me. I don't read into this too hard but it does look like a potential setup(as a scum buddy) for me if I really want to try to read into this

murder how sure are you on Noraa relative to how sure you were on D2 of Pooky v. FL

poking around. NAI but SL at best.

I believe I see why several players suspect Noraa early -- she hasn't done anything fun or happy in RVS and has just spectated throughout it while still posting mostly blank fluff on occasion. I assume that is why, because that is atypical for Noraa. something i would be wary of is how you're feeling will affect how you're posting drastically (for me, and I feel this is the same case for Noraa) much more than alignment would. maybe "I'm angry rn" is an excuse, but maybe not -- it happens to me all the time and then everybody yells about how i seem off and yayayaya

Murder, how much of Noraa's absentness (although not total absence, just watching with fluff 1 liners sometimes) factors into the present scumread?

It's interesting this post is actually defending me but at the same time, reading back on this, I am about 70% sure morning doesn't believe this truly. The reason why is because in PookyvFlava(I was scum btw for anyone that wasn't there), I started out with some bubbly posting but then fell back to normal posting sometime in the middle cuz I just wasn't really able to keep it up without getting shaded everywhere and I blamed it on a mood change. Which is not entirely inaccurate but I never explained that post game so I do think morning would call bullshit on it if town here.

I think if morning is scum, what I am seeing is this shift in thought process every now and then.
So she is poking the game out and trying to find easy targets and once she finds me, she starts asking people's opinions on me.
Then she realizes a lot of people SR me so maybe she could change stance, let them push me, and slightly defend.
Of course this is under the assumption that she's scum here but I am absolutely confbiasing regardless of her alignment here so take this with a grain of salt.

I'm into the Cheetory/Cakes/SPF-heavy area afterwards and im zoning out hard so im going to play live for a while probably

My conclusions though? I think midway is a good bet for town based on both his play and others reads of him. I have various small town leans on Cakes/Jingle/maybe PB so far but even those are partially based on my evalution of Gypyx/Noraa which has been fairly negative. I think Noraa is playing noticably differently and not really in a good way, she's maintained her hyper-posting identity and thats basically it, she seems really "abrasive" at times which is my best way of putting it. im not sold because emotions play a huge part but the last time i gave Noraa benefit of doubt for that, i was wrong. Murderkitty floated the idea of her intentionally playing this way to purposefully go off meta, which is potentially possible. i also did not like her follow up to PrivateI at all

@Pooky for more clarification, do you have an actual reason to townread Kanna or are you just saying that Kanna being scum would generally hurt you?

Ok so now she backs out of defending me with emotions and uses emotions against me. I'd say this is arguably a town point actually but its bad that it came after the defense. No, tbh I think the defense even existing is just a problem in itself.
This could be seen as being overly aware of a scum buddy. I could see that definitely.

Also in the spoiler(I deleted it because it was a pain in the ass to look at the long bb code. But she .... kind of TMI's private is town :/
Take a look lol

[Noraa]

weren't you literally just convinced I was scum?

Now I am 100% convinced
as always, reasons shall come later and this one especially bc im thinking about how to word it but I will be mindblown if you are town here cuz this just isn't your town game. You'll get a lot of valuable meta from me on you this game so you dying which results in weakening your team is absolutely worth it.

This is total bullshit
In Legends of Hidden Temple you claimed a 100% FOR SURE META SOUL READ THAT I WAS SCUM
And OF COURSE I was town
After that I can't believe at all any of your meta on me crap

[Noraa]

Here
This is for anyone who remotely believes the crap Noraa is spewing
We were both town this game

keeeeep going
if pooky is town, he will 100% see what I am saying.

[Noraa]

I have failed to read you before, I admit.
But I think that I am not wrong here because unlike the last time I read you wrong, this time, everything feels right. All the pieces fall into place nicely and I see a cake that doesn't resemble the town one at all

[Noraa]

Noraa you can't complain about people not listening to you and wanting to elim you when you pull stunts like this
Your credibility completely goes out the window

Keep discrediting. It won't change anything.
You do realize that if im pulling shitty stunts, I am definitely town right? And also if im town, you're best bet is to try to talk logic into my head. but no. Scum cake doesn't care if my logic is bad. Scum cake just needs to make sure my words are not credible so nothin happens to him.

[Noraa]

Regardless of alignment your play is annoying me this game

then step away for a bit.

[Noraa]

I have failed to read you before, I admit.
But I think that I am not wrong here because unlike the last time I read you wrong, this time, everything feels right. All the pieces fall into place nicely and I see a cake that doesn't resemble the town one at all

You soulread cake!scum that game and this game, you clown.

mhm and what does that have to do with you

[Noraa]

Can everyone give a simple answer to the question "Is Cake scum?"
Yes or No will do. Maybe is not allowed. Explanations are not allowed. Only yes or no.

[Noraa]

yes or no Jake.

[Noraa]

Gamma is cake scum? yes or no.

[Noraa]

I decline to answer.

why?

[Noraa]

No Cake is not the lim today. I am writing my scum case for him today. Just tell me if he's more likely town or scum then. Unless you have cake as completely and utterly null in 176 pages, you must have at least a town/scum lean on him. Choose one and tell me. No need for explanations.

[Noraa]

S_S says cake is town.
Gamma says cake is scum.

I need more answers to this question.

[Noraa]

S_S says cake is town.
Gamma says cake is scum.

I need more answers to this question.

the scum team is MT/SS/Cakeboi

MT/SS are scum/scum because neither of them are very enthusiastic about casing each other when they're in a 1v1 gladiate and its probly cuz they're apathetic scumbags who don't really care who dies between the two of them.

I think it's pretty funny Cakeboy is trying to chain Maria into the next elim after Tweetie flips scum so he's probly informed Tweetie flips red here.

Kill them all with fire.

Oh wait we don't do that here. I mean we ask them all to leave politely.

Oh no.
Pooky is scum isn't he.
oh no. oh no.


No, pooky you can't possibly believe this crap right?
I won mafiasunny 1 as scum because of this shit.
Worstie won charas folly as scum because of this.
I nearly won death curse as a scum half because of this

[Noraa]

Ok scum team is probably S_S/Pooky/Kanna/_____

Cake town if Morning town because morning town = pooky scum.

[Noraa]

Poking through the game for easy targets to push is a terrible characterization of my scum play. i dont think i have ever tried to push an elim or a scumread decently as scum, it's rare as town but does happen when I feel >50% confident i have something or if i want to find a reaction

For you in particular I doubt I would do something that will piss you off but self meta and wifom yayaya

Also I am sorry i missed you in the hi post, don't know how that happens

poking around has absolutely nothing to do with pushing. absolutely nothing.

also why is pissing off a scummy townie a bad thing? In contrast, its good cuz if they self implode, you get a free mislim that doesn't get you the blame.

[Noraa]

did you not read the ending of legends of the lost temple?

this is like bulge v lilith all over again

no I didn't read it but point me to the differences between what we have here and what we had in chara's folly.

[Noraa]

1shot sman 1shotninja host is actually a pretty common role. It’s pretty traditional.

I can't remember who said this earlier but they brought up an incredible point that imma reiterate because I agree with it.

Watcher was gated. That means that even if scum have ninja, it is definitely x shot. Scum have zero reason to be using a shot on night 1 even if they have it. That is why at least one of morning and S_S is scum and mostly likely it is just one and not both.

[Noraa]

even if scum have ninja, it is definitely x shot.

...Well, yeah. I thought that went without saying Ungated ninja is dumb.

Don't ask me. I've never seen a ninja before. The only reason I know what a ninja is is because last game I was in, I got accused of being a scum ninja by some random town pr.

[Noraa]

wtf do you mean the consensus is against mt???????????????

[Noraa]

Ah so consensus is against the person with 6 votes and for the one with 3 votes.
yes that absolutely makes sense.

[Noraa]

uhmmmmmmmm u misinterpreted it. Thought S_S said there was resistance to Mornings lim and yeah fun times.

[Noraa]

*i

[Noraa]

I mean yeah cuz you sounded like a madman when I thought you were saying you were gonna die today. The other way around sounds less like you're cray cray

[Noraa]

BTW, the inventory mechanic has me suspecting that there is the possibility of power role distribution. I don't really have a mech plan for this, and I don't even know if my speculation is correct.
VOTE: Pink Ball
Long time no see and apparently for good reason

I hope we can all handle this little disagreement peacefully. Anyone want a peach?

Hmm, I want to townread you for saying this.

In case I die, this is the core of my MWB townread. I realized that I'd never actually put it into the thread, and there's no reason to keep the card close to my chest since we figured out that errybody a FV. This comes across very strongly as "MWB doesn't realize there's a fuckton of FV's" in a way that I don't think scum thinks to fake, and there were a bunch of FV softs early D1 that led me to the conclusion that scum would definitely know there were multiple FV's.

uhm can I be locktown for this too? I sent peach to gypyx for that exact reason.
Plus I also think this logic is flawed. Like assuming the entire scum team is Fvs, that doesn't mean that town has a fuckton of fvs. Generally if scum have a role, town don't so there are no guarantees scum weren't also surprised that everyone was a fv.

[Noraa]

No way Jake hasn't seen a watcher before.....

[Noraa]

@Noraa I'll locktown you if you give me an interactions analysis taking a look at Kanna/Gamma and Kanna/Gypyx

mmk. I'll do the double isos tomorrow.
Chem lab report today.

[Noraa]

Oh I think I have extra evidence one of Morning and S_S is scum.
I received a Ventura peach and it hasn't seemed to me all day long that a townie sent it to me.

what that means is that one of morning/S_S sent their peach to me and killed spf.

[Noraa]

that also means that they will be unable to send peaches because I received it night 1.

[Noraa]

that's why pink ball died most likely.

[Noraa]

IM BIG BRAIN

[Noraa]

I received a Ventura peach and it hasn't seemed to me all day long that a townie sent it to me.

A bunch of people haven't claimed their fruit flavor yet, so it's possible that one of the unclaimed gave you a Ventura.

pedit: ???

I highly doubt because when I softed I received it, I looked around specifically looking for crumbs on who visited me because I figured a townie would leave me some crumbs whereas scum would feel less inclined to and I never got a crumb.

Jingle did crumb the empress peach very heavily tho.

[Noraa]

I've been writing poems recently (UT DONT FLAG THIS AS SPAM IT IS BEAUTIFUL ARTWORK GO AWAY)

Peacocks are like

empress

es
with their feathery dresses
and fancy coats

They stride with an air of arrogance
and lots and lots of elegance
on grass and lawns with beauty and grace

The are like

ventura

s symbolizing luck
which makes them unique to birds like ducks

(no offense worstie. I just wanted it to rhyme is all)

[Noraa]

Don't invite ducks into my thread, Noraa.

I called peacocks empresses and this was one of the many crumbs jingle left me.

[Noraa]

There is a nonzero chance that this game could be broken by flavor. I don't think it's a high percent chance, but I am pretty much

the queen of stupid setup exploits

, so... Just thought I'd let you know.

also this

[Noraa]

I received a Ventura peach and it hasn't seemed to me all day long that a townie sent it to me.

I would prefer that people not claim what flavors they received at this time, as that allows the scum team to know flavors that potentially exist but haven't been claimed yet.

I claimed it a while ago(as in like yesterday or something) so its a bit late lol

[Noraa]

I received a Ventura peach and it hasn't seemed to me all day long that a townie sent it to me.

I would prefer that people not claim what flavors they received at this time, as that allows the scum team to know flavors that potentially exist but haven't been claimed yet.

meh that's fine. a cc is perfect. 1v1s are horrible for scum here so they won't do it.

[Noraa]

if a scum fake claims, they end up in a horrible position so I believe they won't but if they do, eh free scum yoooo

[Noraa]

If the reason is that I got spf's peach, that doesn't matter. Scum won't be able to vend that type of peach flavor anyways.

[Noraa]

Oh I think I have extra evidence one of Morning and S_S is scum.
I received a Ventura peach and it hasn't seemed to me all day long that a townie sent it to me.

what that means is that one of morning/S_S sent their peach to me and killed spf.

¿?????????¿??????

i don't get the logic, why morning / s_s specifically?

It means morning/S_S visited me night 1 and that is exactly why no one will claim to vend Ventura peaches.
No one has claimed Ventura and no one has crumbed that peach to me.
That means it was a scum peach
but even if its a scum peach, why not claim?
because it proves someone didn't visit spf with a peach night 1 but rather gave me the peach and killed spf.

[Noraa]

it also pseudo clears me because scum don't have a reason to be vending to their own buddy night 1. I do believe that for night 1, the plan will always be to vend to townies.

[Noraa]

How do you know that wasn't spf's peach?

I don't. It's a guess that we'll be able to verify to some extent after all claims are out.

[Noraa]

wait everyone should claim right now. If there are two peaches on night one unaccounted for, we can leave morning alive because she'll be confscum and it doesn't matter what she does cuz the evidence is all there.

[Noraa]

ok actually that's a bad idea. we should just take the confscum today anyways cuz the less scum the better.

[Noraa]

T^T I wish I was a vig

[Noraa]

Tbh im weirded out why scum would fake claim a buddy's peach
like just be like Heyo I vend sparkly peaches or some weird shit like that be done with it

[Noraa]

fakeclaiming a buddy's peach makes more sense to me than both of them just having the same flavor tho so I do believe morning is probscum for it.

[Noraa]

Tbh im weirded out why scum would fake claim a buddy's peach
like just be like Heyo I vend sparkly peaches or some weird shit like that be done with it

and then like claim your peach didn't go thru or something. idk.

[Noraa]

oh oh oh also because I like town casing myself, I'd like to say that I crumbed very very heavily on day 1 that I was a pr because I thought there weren't a lotta fruit vendors

I threw like five peaches in five different posts at gypyx lol.

[Noraa]

like, did SPF crumb that peach flavor?

Kanna specifically claimed it.

[Noraa]

did you notice me crumbing compulsive at you?

uhhhhhhhhh no

[Noraa]

like just be like Heyo I vend sparkly peaches or some weird shit like that be done with it

I mean, when everyone else's flavor is a real peach variety, how could you get away with that?

I dunno but it could buy time for you if scum. because either way, vended to spf n1 and pb n2. there's no confirmation.
tomorrow, you can be "blocked" and you get an extra day kinda.

[Noraa]

I vend Galaxy Donut peaches

Is this legit? cuz the name is a little ......

[Noraa]

Though I do want to try a sparkly peach now. That sounds good.

ikr! I imagine those taste like peach soda in the form of a peach.

Everyone claim peach flavor. After we get all the claims, I get to hammer mt and we all go sleep for 4 days or something, wake up and work again.

[Noraa]

No he means Ventura @Noraa

OH. I don't believe spf crumbed it but I'll check that after I do the thing mwb told me to.

[Noraa]

PFFFT galaxy donut. that's hilarious but alright since its confirmed.

[Noraa]

I think this game is mega-stalled and don't see any reason to keep waiting
Let's finish peach flavor claims then yeet MT and move on

this was my suggestion and I take full credit :3

[Noraa]

Btw I still think cake is scum and now that booney is over, I'll say the reason.

I was in booney in a hydra and my buddy and I were convinced cake was scum for a fairly simple reason(obviously there were other reasons) but overall the main reason was that cake was never a viable wagon even into day 2. Which is not really a normal thing.

Cake is known for being LHF as town and while not dying day 1, 2, or 3 is not that strange, he is basically guaranteed to be at least a somewhat viable wagon within a few days.

and he hasn't been a viable wagon even once in this game which is a problem. Because cake was scum in booney

[Noraa]

I do think that is a scum trait tbh because LHF town often have killer scum games where they can lie low for long periods of time and im fairly certain cake is one of those.

[Noraa]

Plus his outburst towards me felt kind of fake tbh. Like in Legends, I was town and 100% convinced he was scum but he calmly brushed me away and was like "no no Noraa im not scum"

it feels like the exaggeration that scum likes to use as a kind of AtE

[Noraa]

Cakez was the counterwagon to Spring D1?

hm. I vaguely remember that. hm. mmmm.
I'll have to take a look at that to see if it stalled or was a purposefully created cw to kanna

[Noraa]

I actually think this is a pretty meta tell for me Noraa and I respect it more then the stuff you were saying earlier.

Booney wasn't over. What was I supposed to say?

[Noraa]

I'm more annoyed here because I thought you would have learned after Legends where you pulled the same thing but obviously you didn't
Also I'm pretty sure you're town and I feel like I have a good grasp on this game and don't want to deal with pushes

Still think ur scum.

Reasons:
You would be annoyed if town and I can see why. Theres nothing wrong with that.
What wrong is that I wrongly read you in Legends due to a meta tell yet you are fine with my meta tell here even tho im calling you scum when you are *supposedly* town which doesn't make sense to me.

And.

You calling me town here and this drastic switch just feels to me like ur trying to replicate Legends cake who TRed me for SRing him.

too many things don't add up.

If you were town and mad, you'd continue to be mad because I am still, exactly like in legends, calling you scum for meta reasons. But instead you say that you respect the tell and think im town.

_____ + _______ =/= _____________________________________
have some math

[Noraa]

It just doesn't make sense that when I am stubbornly pushing some admittedly bad reasons(but that aren't meta tells), you get extremely mad because of Legends
But when I do the exact same thing I did in legends, that doesn't make you mad.

I can see why a TR emerges but the anger just feels more fake when you do this.

[Noraa]

its annoying because I always seem to think ur scum
but you feel so under the radar this game that I feel like im not confbiasing
but then im like "but Noraa you're just overconfident because you just caught a scum cake"
and then the conclusion is I WISH MOM WAS HERE

[Noraa]

[Noraa]

my problem is that jingle has seemed so scummy to me for so long that I don't even know like ... wtf is going on.

[Noraa]

Like everyone seems to think he's towny but holy fucks, I find him so scummy that I almost feel like this is another one of my endless tunnels.

And its horrible that I have to say I have like zero TRs at this point in time and its day 3 and im in the middle of a pile of SRs and nulls and its like horrible.

[Noraa]

my reads list be like:

Town: Noraabear

Null: zaiden, S_S, gypyx, Murder

Slightly scum: Maria, midway

Probably scum: Pooky, jake

Scum scum?: cake, gamma, jingle

Ultra scum: Morning

[Noraa]

and then
So scum he doesn't even get included in the readlist: cheet

yeah basically.

[Noraa]

and then
So scum he doesn't even get included in the readlist: cheet

yeah basically.

No I copied the names from your list because I was too lazy to find the first VC of the day to copy the names from. so I ended up forgetting that you weren't a narcissist and therefore didn't include yourself and so that's a pity

[Noraa]

Ok but if I were to put cheet in, I'd probably put him on the third lowest tier.

[Noraa]

if you have more than 5 scumreads you're probably doing something wrong lol.

I only have 4 strong ones :O

[Noraa]

and im fine with lifting gamma out anyday.

[Noraa]

and im fine with lifting gamma out anyday.

I'd be fine with replacing gamma with cheet tho the nose boop is +town points just because I said so.

[Noraa]

So I guess I wouldn't be fine with replacing cheet in.

[Noraa]

but I would be fine with moving gamma up a tier.

[Noraa]

Two of (midwaybear, MariaR, Gamma, Jake, Jingle, MURDERSUNNY, noraa) need to move their butts onto MT

[Noraa]

I want all the flavors out on the table today.

[Noraa]

I don't care.

Morning is the lim today and everyone knows it but I want those flavors claimed up because I'll be close enough to conftown if im in the pool of receiving peaches that didn't get claimed.

[Noraa]

I can easily be hyperactive as scum but I don't think im ever this messy as scum. My paranoia is through the roof and not something that I am able to fake at this point in time.

[Noraa]

I put a lot of effort into my scum games and they are entire masterpieces. But no. This paranoia absolutely comes from town!me.