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nervous energy detectedIn post 34, Jingle wrote: Stop sheeping LLD, peta. She can't read me.free crypto-
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it's as serious a read as a page 2 vote gets, which is generally not veryIn post 38, wgeurts wrote:
I have no idea who you are, but is this serious or not?In post 37, petapan wrote:
nervous energy detectedIn post 34, Jingle wrote: Stop sheeping LLD, peta. She can't read me.
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it is impressive that jingle managed to predict LLD scumreading him, but that wasn't why i made my vote because i'm a big boy who makes his own decisionsfree crypto-
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dunn also thought one of your posts was scummy (19). he actually said this before i voted you but i wasn't reading the chatIn post 44, Jingle wrote: LLD has never not scumread me and also we literally just swept a town together, it's not very impressive.
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In post 46, HighPrincessErinys wrote: This isn't too sure it uh... sees how that's scummy?
the expressed reasoning was that it feels like he knows the answer but wants to appear solveyIn post 48, Adorable wrote:
Can you elaborate on why was that post of his scummy? When I had a look at it I wasn't able to see how was it scummy.In post 45, petapan wrote:
dunn also thought one of your posts was scummy (19). he actually said this before i voted you but i wasn't reading the chatIn post 44, Jingle wrote: LLD has never not scumread me and also we literally just swept a town together, it's not very impressive.
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i don't really wanna quibble over it because it's dunn's logic and not mine but i was asked specifically about his thoughts so i provided that answerIn post 50, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Ehhh... This one doesn't really get that impression in the first place, but also scum probably weren't told about the power-up beforehand (there really isn't a need to when it gets announced to everyone at the start of the day) and even if they were they'd probably get the same description of it's effect.In post 49, petapan wrote: the expressed reasoning was that it feels like he knows the answer but wants to appear solveyfree crypto-
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do tellIn post 86, Jingle wrote:
Because we think wogurts has a strong potential to be scum aorn. Ask a silly question...In post 84, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: Why is wgeurts lower than Cerb?free crypto-
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jingle do you often make reads lists on page 4 of gamesfree crypto-
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it's, like, humIn post 92, Jingle wrote:
Mostly a sign that I'm bored with the pace of the game. I can't say I've played enough mafia since coming out of retirement to say I often do anything, and preretirement pinning down my meta based on specific actions was an exercise in futility.In post 90, petapan wrote: jingle do you often make reads lists on page 4 of games
it struck me as possibly trying too hard too soon/stretching to make conclusions where most of the content so far was thin - although i have slight vibes etc i haven't felt like committing things to written words yet
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how much meat would you expect based on when in the game they were posted?In post 88, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
ok, why?In post 86, Jingle wrote: Because we think wogurts has a strong potential to be scum aorn. Ask a silly question...
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oh followup question, how much is koba yelling at you that i'm scumIn post 98, Jingle wrote: Oh, no, in this particular instance it was because I was talking through reads with Koba. We've probably talked more about this game today than there is actual content in this game. The curse of having free time and a teammate like Koba.free crypto-
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lol, lmaoIn post 102, Jingle wrote: The read is primarily koba's (and has been) but I'm not expected to force it through atm. I think you are scum independent of that, however.free crypto-
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guess what i think you're townIn post 103, Porkens wrote: Do you seriously think you have reliable reads at this point?
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In post 106, Porkens wrote: I’m asking more philosophically, not directly at you. Do people in general ever have reliable reads on page 5? Haven’t even read the game btw
i thought you were asking jingle tbh - i'm certainly not displaying a strong level of commitment to any read i make esp. since i've unvoted him but that's why i'm going through the process of talking to peopleIn post 108, Porkens wrote: But I was asking you
sometimes i get good hunches early, i caught titus on page 6 of datisi's cafe, but that's usually dependent on a degree of meta. but i'm fully aware not every early read is going to be a banger and am tempering my approach to be cautious here
this is especially true in team mafia because having 3 other people shouting in your ear very often creates an echo chamber effect that can lead you to confirmation bias your reads, and that can lead to people mutually tunneling each other and consuming the thread in a destructive fashion. i am trying to avoid thisfree crypto-
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you look like you're posting just to postIn post 122, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Not much. What about you(r vote)?free crypto-
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be grateful i'm overriding the the devils on my shoulder who are calling for your headIn post 123, Jingle wrote:
Noted but also ew.In post 112, petapan wrote:
this is especially true in team mafia because having 3 other people shouting in your ear very often creates an echo chamber effect that can lead you to confirmation bias your reads, and that can lead to people mutually tunneling each other and consuming the thread in a destructive fashion. i am trying to avoid this
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busy day today, lots to catch up on, may be a bit spammy sorry but i like to have separate ideas in separate posts
In post 140, wgeurts wrote: Porkens
Coming in to say that they don't place much stock in early game reads in post 106 and then providing nothing of substance thereafter means I have nothing to really go off really. First had a slight town lean on them as I liked them indicating a Peta town lean in 107 which matched my view, and I could see possible thought process behind 111 leaning scum on Jingle despite disagreeing. But the post made before 107 that very same minute says that they hadn't read the game yet, which eliminates any substance there. Similarly anything of substance regarding his interaction with Jingle is dismissed in post 116. Unsure why people are town leaning here, or is it because of the above too?
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can confirm this, was in the same game with xof and Adorable (it was the previous TM in 2021) and Adorable was exactly like this. Their playstyle is very...I'd say earnest? That doesn't feel quite like the right word but I don't know how to describe it. From research they are capable of leaning into their play style as scum but overall i think their play here is probably town indicativeIn post 140, wgeurts wrote:Adorable
Adorable is gonna be a pain for me to sort as I didn't like any of their posting at first, with them going from stating they have no reads in post 40, to posting a whole bunch of no substance burger like in 47 and 48 etc. After consulting Xof, apparently this is just how they play and is consistent with a town game they played. Like... post 109 doesn't even make sense? I'd think it self-evident Cerb isn't town piling me there and how can you then use that as the basis for anything? This slot is going to be a headache for me to gauge.
If anything, of note is that they mentioned the double voting mechanic twice in 30 and 67. I'm interested why they were so focused on it?
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hi Fate, been a long time, you probably don't remember me, we might've only played once
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this is the correct way to play around both of usIn post 224, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: I had some towny feelings on Jingle and petapan earlier but am going to be more wary of those slotsfree crypto-
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In post 230, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Beyond that, going to actually VOTE: Fate. This one wants some more out of you, please.
Fate not explaining things is Fate-indicative rather than anything alignment based, I'm biased to like the playstyle because it remind me of ye olden days but i don't think anything says a lotIn post 239, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Because this one very much wants Fate to start talking considering they've provided even less than Porkens has. You ARE still on my list, but this one would really like these two to get to generating content, Fate especially.In post 232, wgeurts wrote: Porkens is being useless, but that's unfortunately something people do as town as well as scum. So I need more information. Why aren't you voting Porkens over Fate, as he's not exactly giving much either? @HPE
If this one is going to sheep, it tries to sheep people it agrees with and trusts, and confidence doesn't usually have much to do with that, it thinks.In post 233, Cerberus v666 wrote: I would appreciate a response to my question about who you are and how you do the mafia things!
i don't love the vote though because it kind of comes across as an easy surface level thing to push on. how do you feel about the people whohaveposted substantive content? i know you've made mentions elsewhere but i'm looking for a little more depth herefree crypto-
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cerb mostly comes across as null in everything he's posted so far. but maybe scummy given the lack of solid stances in all that posts. (i have an instinctive bias against quote stripes that has little basis in reality though)free crypto-
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i guess i probably shoulda read through before making that last postIn post 261, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Feeling pretty good about Jingle, and to a lesser extent petapan, mostly because they've been absent a bit. They've both been making rather nice posts (its hard to pin down specific ones to point out unfortunately) and Jingle's ISO in particularly feels very very solvey.In post 245, Cerberus v666 wrote: HPE, is there anyone in this game who you are not currently suspicious of, and why? I appreciate a focus on scum, but also, like, identifying town is important.
And okay, then - in that case, what exactly was the problem you had with someone stating their reads are unreliable? Can you walk me through that reasoning, if the confidence someone projects doesn't have much to do with it?
That's a good question, honestly, this one hasn't been thinking too super hard about it until you asked. It just felt like at the moment a kind of weird thing to say. "Hey guys, my reads are unreliable!" is, technically a humble and truthful thing to say because no one can ever be super precise, but its also kinda like, why should we believe you then? Jingle's been doing good, as mentioned, so its kinda whatever, but it just put this one off a bit. Guess that's really all there is to it.
To clarify: You asked what makes you and peta's accusations different from wgeurts'. This one said the only common link was that you all three said it wasn't posting much of substance, because otherwise only wgeurts was making further accusations in the readwall like with the Jingle thing or power-up talk, etc.In post 256, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: I'm still unsure how why you singled them out for potential scum motivation if their accusations have been the same as others tbh
this is still kind of vague to me and doesn't give me a ton to go offfree crypto-
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meh
ifHPE is town cerb's approach to it strikes me as being potentially scummy
i like CSF's posts and think this is probably her town game
LLD has been badgering me to get her reads into the thread, i think she's been wanting to micromanage everyone while waiting for hers to start lol
she thinks CSF, Adorable, and wgeurts are town, I agree with these as i've more or less expressed
she thought hpe was town at first but didn't like its fate votefree crypto-
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Powerup Vote: Adorable
i don't think a public doublevote is especially consequential in a majority elimination game but also have been fine with it going to adorable for a whilefree crypto-
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viewtopic.php?t=22659In post 312, Fate wrote: ps no I don't remember you, but bonus points if you link to said game since apparently there's an archive system now and all thedrugsmadness have taken a toll on my recall
you were an IC so i didn't have to read you and if i remember right you were mentally checked out from being conftown
but man
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this is about par for the course for me for the record and the idea that i'd be less motivated as scum is cuckooIn post 377, Jingle wrote: Peta {BoP about scummy, calls him flaccid , nothing to townread in his posts. Overall low substance and small scope given the team and the small size of the game.}
for the record yesterday my allergies flared up and i couldn't go 2 minutes without hacking up a lung so i had little interest in this game (today i am feeling better)
but even had i read the game yesterday i'm not sure i'd have a ton to comment on, i found the pages between my last 2 posts to be shockingly sparse for actual meaningful content. the HPE wagon suddenly felt wrong to me, i didn't have a strong alternate target, so i was mainly waiting to see if something else caught my attention, really. i didn't like princess's vote back on fate and the justification for it but it's just one post, i'm probably going to do a quick bit of meta there todayfree crypto-
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so this caught my eye and so far as i can see the entire justification you have for your case on wgeurts is still their case on you which looks to me to be profoundly mediocre reasoning for a scumreadIn post 478, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Okay yeah, this is definitely a bit bad. This one can concur that peta doesn't seem to be making as many actual points of substance as he's trying to look like he is. This one thinks it'd be willing to vote there but it has bigger wgeurts-shaped fish to fry so that's probably not happening anytime soon.In post 467, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Still pending an ISO analysis on peta of my own due to other things but this one thinks it's seeing where you're coming from, but it'll withhold an actual scumread for that ISO dive.free crypto-
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(also BoP is a concept for town play and my award is for scum play sooo....??)In post 480, petapan wrote:
this is about par for the course for me for the record and the idea that i'd be less motivated as scum is cuckooIn post 377, Jingle wrote: Peta {BoP about scummy, calls him flaccid , nothing to townread in his posts. Overall low substance and small scope given the team and the small size of the game.}
for the record yesterday my allergies flared up and i couldn't go 2 minutes without hacking up a lung so i had little interest in this game (today i am feeling better)
but even had i read the game yesterday i'm not sure i'd have a ton to comment on, i found the pages between my last 2 posts to be shockingly sparse for actual meaningful content. the HPE wagon suddenly felt wrong to me, i didn't have a strong alternate target, so i was mainly waiting to see if something else caught my attention, really. i didn't like princess's vote back on fate and the justification for it but it's just one post, i'm probably going to do a quick bit of meta there todayfree crypto-
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hmm this is a lot of vague buzzwords that don't mean anythingIn post 377, Jingle wrote: HPE {proactive, lots of references when discussing reads, evidence behind thoughts, natural progression}
hpe's play to that point was almost certainly NOT proactive, it even admitted as much when being pushed
providing references...doesn't actually mean anything? why can't scum provide references when they discuss their reads? isn't that like the bare minimum of having thoughts? what are these "natural progressions"?free crypto-
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In post 393, Fate wrote: ok IM feeling thorough so I went back and read
NOWHBERE DOES IT SAAY ANYTHING IN THIS SETUP ABOUT IT BEING ONLY 2 SCUM SOIn post 394, Fate wrote:
!!!!!!!!!!!!!In post 253, Adorable wrote:
I don't want to say it now when we got 2 scum roaming around.In post 251, wgeurts wrote:
Why did they recommend it?In post 243, Adorable wrote: A teammate of mine said I should get the double vote power which is why I said in the thread I would be willing to take it.
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lol okay fate is town i'm okay with shelving any tinfoil i had thereIn post 395, Fate wrote: i thought classic scumslips like this didn't happen anymroe
am I missing something
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i like the wall
this bit in particular resonates with me because i think scum often get caught using this type of reasoning about what is/isn't a viable wagonIn post 484, wgeurts wrote: Why as town are you even focused on whether or not people are "altogether interested" in a wagon or not anyway?free crypto-
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jingle/princess's justification for their reads on each other both seem like horse hockey to me, but that type of dynamic is rare for scum/scum pairings altho if koba is pushing the reads it is possible. still would want to avoid getting over-ambitious on day 1 but, like, a lot of other people are just townies i thinkfree crypto-
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i don't think i was "actively avoiding doing content" at all, even if i was pretty reticent to state conclusionsIn post 399, Radical Rat wrote: For that to be the case, it would mean Fate's hypothetical partner is someone with a teammate on your list of people who may know you, right?
Which, skimming over the team list could only be petapan.
I've had brewing suspicions on him for a while now, mostly because early game he seemed to be actively avoiding doing content, so I'll bite there. I don't necessarily think you're right, but peta being actually scummy to me and doubling as a sanity check on the very stylish hat sounds good.
VOTE: petapan
also, you don't think jingle is necessarily right with the paranoia on fate being informed by his teammate about how to play around jingle, but are willing to vote me to test it???
(ftr i have no concrete memories of playing with bingle since coming out of retirement - we might have played in a datisi hosted secret hitler game but that isn't mafia and is a marathon game so is totally irrelevant, i have ~no useful meta on how he plays)free crypto-
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ftr porkens is trending strongly toward what i would expect of him as scum - being lazy, shitposting, making excuses rather than delivering content
he doesn't really like playing scum and it shows
i think it's kinda more likely the jingle/princess dynamic is one jumping in the other's pocket and just by relative experience level i kinda feel like it'd be jingle who's the scum
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In post 497, Jingle wrote: We played in the generational family game off the top of my head. And how in the love of god did you think wgeurts’ wall was anything but garbage?
brah you can't just come in and call posts garbage without support, what's wrong with itIn post 500, Jingle wrote: Mobile atm, but I do plan on it. But do you legitimately think anyone looks at that original wall and goes “this is compelling”?free crypto-
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(it's funny cuz it makes some nice, well-argued points that i think are coming from a townie, but i'm not convinced it makes hpe definite scumfree crypto-
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if it's wrong it gets rid of a person with bad reads
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i'm not lolIn post 516, wgeurts wrote:Kindly also put your money where your mouth is and go for someone too, assuming you're done reading.
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fate is very much doing things and imo it's uncharitable to describe him as not - you might not like it or find it hard to read into but he's said stuff (towny stuff imo)In post 517, HighPrincessErinys wrote: This one believes it has an understanding of how Porkens and Fate play now, and that's "silly". Neither seems to be a very high-content poster or much of ones to elaborate on why they do the things they do, but this one was still figuring that out. Fate was ESPECIALLY doing nothing, so it threw a vote onto them that went nowhere of use as they didn't really stir from it. It went back to you as it realized that Fate and Porkens just Play Like That and that trying to strongly scumread them for it is just... eh. Which is why this one asks: Do you often try to elim people based on their playstyle? Because your choices of vote on me/Porkens/Fate really gives the impression you do, unless you don't? Because if you don't then it's low-hanging fruit to try and get the low-contents who are always low-content.
i think you shouldn't make assumptions about people play just based on the game you're in - porkens can often be low-effort, but he's more than capable of producing substance as town (note: his early posts in that game had him using chatGPT as a gimmick, he drops it at iso #13 so skip there), and the fact that he hasn't done so here and seemingly hasn't read the game despite having multiple teammates who could help him, is legitimately scummy
i also think if you're going to chalk things up to a clash of playstyles, why can't you assume it would be town vs town and they're misreading you due to not understanding how you play? not every pushhasto have malicious intent. i think wgeurts legitimately believes their whole iso-dive case trying to bury you, the way they talk about it feels like genuine belief overfree crypto-
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i gotta be honest here wgeurts vs hpe is starting to have a whiff of tvt to it which i know will annoy wgeurts but i think jingle is the one positioning himself around it, i don't really think his townread of princess actually makes sense or has good reasoning behind it, he's just buddying up to the newbie who is townreading him for NAI behavior
265 is in fact a complete dogshit post that as much as it stretches and twists can't actually establish a reason as to why that stuff makes me scum besides "he not have many stances". basically not worth my time but i will address this:
it struck my as a possible instance of trying too hard, too soon - a very basic tell where scum will try to appear solvy when the game doesn't really merit doing so. having reads arranged into a list on page 4 struck me as potentially being a case of that. but also, it was the early game so i was hardly going to commit to a push based solely on that, and at any rate i thought "i'm bored" might have been a plausible excuseIn post 465, Jingle wrote: Where is the scum motivation in 'committing to written words' when there's not a lot to go on?free crypto-
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do you have anyone in the game you do have a read on?In post 527, Adorable wrote: I read the wallposts that were about Peta and HPE. The stuff they did looked nai to me and I don't know how to read them.free crypto-
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you think hpe is unaligned with everyone in the game?In post 530, Adorable wrote: From my pov I can't really think of anyone who would be HPE scum partner.free crypto-
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okay thank you for the answerIn post 536, Adorable wrote:
Lean town on Jingle and wgeurts.In post 531, petapan wrote:
do you have anyone in the game you do have a read on?In post 527, Adorable wrote: I read the wallposts that were about Peta and HPE. The stuff they did looked nai to me and I don't know how to read them.
I want to see Cerb post more because I might be bias on this read but his approach towards me gave me scum vibes. The questions they asked me were not good, he said a post of mine is 55% - 44% scum which I disagree on, when CSF asked Cerb what would their solve of a team be they said Adorable/Jingle and on the same post they said the team is unlikely and I was thinking what was even the point of answering that question when they said the team is unlikely.free crypto-
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so here's the deal
Cat Scratch Fever is a townie. This is a meta read, and meta reads tend to be annoying if you don't know the person, but it is what it is. she's much moe low-effort/low investment as scum
wgeurts is town because there's legitimate conviction in their highprincesserinys push, annoyance at porkens doing nothing, even starting to get irritated with me for not doing anything with my vote. they're someone who is very clearly trying to solve the game.
Fate is town because i don't think he fakes derping on the setup like that as scum and cuz i think he believes thstuff he's pushing on
Adorable also probably town for earnestness but i have a weak spot for players who sound earnest. there's a little more uncertainty here because she's been playing a bit reserved but i think her recent posts come across as fairly plausible explanations for her reads
radical rat mostly looks the part of a townie with how they've been going about things, their vote on me is silly but i don't think it's scum-motivated
cerb idfk he hasn't done anything but is kind of yolo town. him accusing hpe of beetlejuicing felt a lil opportunistic maybe but it might be one of those cases where i'd expect a player to try to project towniness a little more as scum. i'm content to give him a pass for today and let him cook i guess
i want to ponder hpe here but my gut is kind of telling me they're town still and jingle's defense of it just looks like it's coming from an informed to my eyes
jingle i just think is kind of scum because his case on me stinks, his perspective has been frozen in amber since page 4, it doesn't feel like he's truly attempting to evaluate or analyze anything people say, he just has a perspective he wants to push which is me/wgeurts being scum, regardless of how much sense it makes
porkens is prolly just scum cuz he's frozen and not playing the gamefree crypto-
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yeah nah jingle is crawling up hpe's butt there because he knows it's flipping town
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i think he's successfully pocketed the whole game though so this is gunna be uphill, but idc i'll be fucking annoying about it until one of us is deadfree crypto-
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this bit here is logic pedant shit that scum love to hide behind - all being technically correct but meaningless -In post 537, Jingle wrote:
Yes, HPE is the only passive player this game. And also, HPE isn't pushing it's scumreads, when the previous point that you had boiled down to HPE is pushing a scumread on you that's wrong. This is literally contradicting your own case.wgeurts wrote:They're obsessed with who's voting them and whether or not they can wagons going whilst not being interested in pushing their own named scum-reads: see porkens.ah ha, hpe is not the only passive player in the game, your case is null and void. except that's not how mafia works. and it's a bad interpretation anyway that really evades the point wgeurts was trying to make about hpe (that it is allegedly more interested in defending itself and pushing viable wagons rather than trying to convince others of its scumreads)
overly confident defense of hpe that assumes the best possible motives for all of its actions and decides there is absolutely no merit to anything wgeurts says - this is cuz jingle knows hpe is townfree crypto-
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i literally linked two of them already but again:In post 543, Jingle wrote:
I vaguely remember this just being Porkens. Do you have any evidence that town porkens is different? (legitimate question, not trying to cast shade)In post 509, petapan wrote: ftr porkens is trending strongly toward what i would expect of him as scum - being lazy, shitposting, making excuses rather than delivering content
open chatgpt: viewtopic.php?t=90462 (again he's gimmicking for 13 posts or so, keep scrolling down and you'll see where he stops using chatgpt to write responses)
weird dreams mafia: viewtopic.php?t=90611 (it's a replace in, but, like, that game had a similarish number of posts to where this one is at now)
like he can be lazy and low effort at times but all available evidence from what i've seen is that as town he is capable of actually trying but as scum he barely caresfree crypto-
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porkens probably still but i'd have to re-eval on peopleIn post 546, wgeurts wrote: Who do you vote if Jingle goes green?free crypto-
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no i know the motivation it's that your attempted fisking of it really sucks and seems like you have started from the conclusion hpe is town and worked backwards to discredit everything and there's noooo way anyone could see that stuff as scummy, when, like, hpe looks pretty opportunistic with its votesIn post 548, Jingle wrote: That wall wasn't about "Why is HPE town" it was about "Why was wgeurts' case garbage." So what, exactly, is super compelling and slam dunk about wgeurts' scumcase on HPE that lead to:
And it's not like you don't know the motivation behind why I posted that, because both you and wgeurts literally asked why the case wasn't compelling.In post 491, petapan wrote: i like the wall
this bit in particular resonates with me because i think scum often get caught using this type of reasoning about what is/isn't a viable wagonIn post 484, wgeurts wrote: Why as town are you even focused on whether or not people are "altogether interested" in a wagon or not anyway?free crypto-
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on second thought
UNVOTE:
VOTE: porkens
this is probably a better day 1 vote
there's an edge case scenario where i'm wrong and pushing jingle today is antitownfree crypto-
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yeah i mean i kind of get your point it's just easy to see someone gradually walking back a townread on someone when they become a viable wagon and think there might be scum motivation in itIn post 554, Jingle wrote:
I don't disagree that the optics there look bad, I disagree that the optics looking bad are indicative that HPE is scum. HPE looks like its floundering without any fucking clue what to do, and that isn't a thing I expect to see from scum in most cases. That's something I expect to see from awkward people. And whatever else it is, HPE certainly gives off the awkward vibe.In post 550, petapan wrote: hpe looks pretty opportunistic with its votesfree crypto-
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(i am biased of course because the person having the read walked back on is me)free crypto-
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