Newbie 1968 - Game Over

[Thomth]

VOTE: ojoi

[Thomth]

That is the truth and I agree with you

[Thomth]

It is RVS but I see now that two others have voted for them too.

[Thomth]

Your saliva is a threat to the birds!

[Thomth]

This bird doesn't seem to care but that doesn't mean I am wrong.

[Thomth]

Yes and also scum could claim another scum to be scum. However I may have misinterpreted something, from what I understand is ojoi is salivating because of my claim. Which means I am also a threat to the bird.

[Thomth]

Why are people voting Ojoj/thomth

My reasoning for voting for ojoi was essentially they were a cat that might hurt the birds. My vote did put alot of pressure on them, though I should make sure I know the effect my vote can have. Hahah

My scum read right now is Alexcellent/Urist

UNVOTE: ojoi

[Thomth]

I think I can see why useful for keeping track.
VOTE: PvtUrist

[Thomth]

Just a feeling; claiming scum with no reason is scummy but its for a research project.

ojoi/faustiv
PvtUrist/Alexcellent
Thomth/gyro
PvtUrist/the worst

Uncrowned
Gyro
Thomth
Alexcellent
ojoi

[Thomth]

Urist voted for himself so that made him a target for me. I then voted ojoi because he did and I wanted to see her reaction. I claimed two scum because I was after Urist, time was already out and Alexcellent voted ojoi too. I reasoned that claiming Urist scum along with someone else would lower the heat, claiming scum when I had 3 votes was a high risk thing to do and Alexcellent would have time to defend himself.

The list is who I thought might be a pair of mafia and who I thought might be town.

[Thomth]

Welcome Gjt. If its for identification perposes Gjt is the only one without an avi in this game which does separate them.

could you talk to me about where you're seeing a PvtUrist/alexcellent team, why you listed yourself and gyro as a team, and where the Alexc & ojoi townreads are coming from?

Urist and Alexcellent because they both voted for ojoi first and the only thing I have really noticed so far was Urist voting for himself. Jackson and Gyro did claim to be a mafia pair but I ignored that.

Alexcellent and ojoi have both put some pressure on me and I am inclined to feel that this is a townie thing to do or more so an action to mislead me.

Urist may have been wrong in his first vote but he has not put any pressure on me. Neither has faustiv and while being replaced and not saying much could be considered scummy the other possibility is that he was just bored and having second thoughts on playing this game.

He did mention that the game was going very slowly and that the random voting should have long been over.

The pairs of who I think are mafia in my mind tend towards being half incorrect.

[Thomth]

. I'm noticing a few pocketing attempts which imo is never a good imagine

I was wondering if you were advising against pairing people up when trying to determine their alignment with this comment.

[Thomth]

{townleans}
Uncrowned
Alexcellent
Thomth

{null}
Glt
ojoi
Gyro

{scumleans}
Jackson
{scumreads}
PvTUrist

[Thomth]

*Gjt

the worst I am unsure of however I don't think they are a good vote D1 eitherway.

[Thomth]

You seemed a little nice and you did claim yourself to be Mafia. I also wonder why you did not want to vote for me.

I didn't feel like TW should be on the list because irregardless of their alignment they seem to be trying to teach me how to play.

[Thomth]

Faustiv would have stuck around if the game had progressed faster I believe. I do not feel it has to do with role.

[Thomth]

At this point I would feel alright sheeping either Uncrowned or Gyro.

[Thomth]

Nevermind lul

[Thomth]

Defs not ojoi

[Thomth]

The irony being that I meant lynch. Following is the better option.

[Thomth]

VOTE: Urist for good measures

You are in a position of power I think.

[Thomth]

Jackson hammering when they said to not hammer clearly shows that they are trying to mislead us into thinking they are scum because they are salty that they are not scum.

[Thomth]

ba dum tss

[Thomth]

OH!

[Thomth]

TW is town trying to mislead town into lynching town.

[Thomth]

I liked it alot Jackson. In my mind you are either town wishing they were scum or scum pretending like they are not scum by wishing they were scum. Which leads me to think you're a good vote.

[Thomth]

@Alexcellent
What do you think of Urist voting for himself twice and going on vacation?

[Thomth]

Since Uncrowned was nightkilled I am guessing that scum sheeped what the worst said on page one because everything Urist has said is most likely wrong. Unless his one "srs" vote on the worst was the only accurate post.

I am leaning right now of Alexcellent being Town. So I feel more comfortable pointing the finger at JV.

Gyro hasnt said to much so maybe they are scum.

I feel there is a good chance of at least one of them either, JV or Gyro being scum and I will sheep/bus either of those two today if I get the chance.

If one or both JV and Gyro is town then I feel it must be Alexcellent and maybe Gjt.

If all 4 Alexcellent JV Gyro and Gjt are town then I am assuming scum is both the worst and Thomth which I also feel is unlikely.

To simplify my train of thought here is a list that shows who I think is the most most scummy to townie. Ironically I feel it is quite possible that scum did not vote for ojoi and town pulled the classic move of lynching themselves.

More or less depends on whether JV is town or scum.


Gyro
Jackson
Alexcellent
Gjt
Thomth
the worst
Urist

[Thomth]

If newbie games can have more then one informed minority then that changes things. However if that is the case then the minority is now thr majority.

[Thomth]

What is odd to me is that the night phase timer expired which means someone or multiple people did not use there night phase powers.

[Thomth]

Well on page 1 Urist mentions the term "multiball" which on the wiki ks described as a type of game of mafia with more then one informed minority. However this is a newb game, and someone has said that all of Urists posts should not be taken seriously.

More or less I feel this is not multiball given those two points.

[Thomth]

What do you think of Gyro Alexcellent?

[Thomth]

I will go threw the game again later and try and find some reads. The issue with how I am playing is I am playing far to intuitively and abstractly. While the hunches I have may be onto something unless I have something clear to say it would be better to not really say anything at all.

Saying I think this or that is not useful unless I can reason why.

[Thomth]

It makes sense in the context of me being scum?

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[Thomth]

quote="In post 57, Gyro Zeppeli"]

Can i be first lynch again, would be real cool.

Sure, I love bussing teammates D1

Here is another post where JV claims they are mafia. Also the large amount of questions makes me feel like JV feels pressured.

[Thomth]

Also I question why I am asked about my read on Alexcellent when I state I only feel they could be scum if gyro/jv are not.

[Thomth]

If not gyro and jv then I would suspect gjt and alexcellent however I have nothing on them.

[Thomth]

I will go threw the previous votes and generally how people were perceiving eachother later today. As it stands right now I believe Urist and the worst are town, JV and Gyro are leaning scum. Alex and Gjt I do not know.

Since I don't have anything on Gjt and Alex I would say I, besides myself, deff would not vote Gjt today and I am least against voting Alex today. I think anyone else would give me more info.

I have been trying to get something out of Alex but I am not to good at it.

[Thomth]

I'm getting tired of waiting for Faustiv to make a poor excuse for his scummy pop in and will switch my vote to him soon

VOTE: faustiv
you're a splendid wagon salesman, uncr.

keep pocketing me and im gonna have to add you to my townbloc

VOTE: Faustiv

faüstiv has requested replacement.

Actually ducky why you voting with me when my main point for voting him is something that earlier you said was non AI?

Still combing threw alot of fluff but this interaction I thought was worth noting. A theory is if faustiv is scum tw might have been bussing them to separate themselves more from them as their scum partner. Gjt is still pretty null to me through maybe I can find something.

[Thomth]

They have alluded themselves to being scum more then once so what the fuck?

VOTE: JV

[Thomth]

And to give more reasons why. They have said they tend to replace themselves from games. How they wish they were scum. They asked me around 4 questions when I pointed to finger at them. On top of hinting and outright saying they are mafia. I do not understand the reasoning behind this behavior besides just being anti-town.

[Thomth]

Please explain?

[Thomth]

What is odd to me is that the night phase timer expired which means someone or multiple people did not use there night phase powers.

What?

The D1 night phase timer expired. I am not entierly sure on how the mechanics of it work but I was assuming that it means someone was not using their night phase power.

Do you have reasoning behind me being scum? Or are you just trying to lynch a second PR? Also why the hell are you referencing yourself in third person?

Besides you hinting more then once you are no. That is enough for me though as I don't understand the joke.

Now you are claiming you are a power role, seems kind of scummy to me.

Why am I referring to myself in third person? It was some kind of an attempt at a self refferential joke. Of course I know what alignment I am, and if I am scum I know who the other scum is. Yet am saying two people are more townie then me. So what gives? Being convoluted for what reason? I don't know, but it is anti-town being convoluted and it is not helpful to town, if I am town, being anti-town.

[Thomth]

They have alluded themselves to being scum more then once so what the fuck?

VOTE: JV

I'm convinced JV is Town. If you were left with a decision between the worst and PvtUrist who would you say is most likely to be Scum. I think one of them is Scum.

In fact everyone can answer that. I'm sure we can route out both Scum today and be prepped for D3

Could you help convince me? Because I am having trouble changing my mind. I would say Urist over tw but as of right now I feel neither is.

What I don't understand is why we are questioning gyro but not Alexcellent. Alexcellent has been taking a backseat and it's rather null to me.

But why Gyro and not Alex?

[Thomth]

I don't feel Gjt hammering ojoi D1 is all that AI. Chances of town correctly identifying scum is fairly low especially if scum is playing well. Also it was starting to slow down quite alot, like it is now.

I don't really understand your reasoning behind voting Uncrowned D1 either. You were questioning why they did not want a Gyro lynch D1 but I don't understand how that leads to a vote.

Are you voting for Gjt because you think they are scum or because you did not like the ojoi lynch? 4 others voted for ojoi why Gjt and not them?

[Thomth]

Alex is being very low key with his votes then, I like his playstyle.

[Thomth]

Has Urist even posted recently? Oh i see Pvpurist.

He might actually be my 2nd mafia tell because of his act, i feel like it isnt out of realm of possibility that one mafia says im town and the other goes against me so then if 1 ends being scum the other looks ‘good’, you get me?

Urist/another SE leaning urist now and Gjt are my maf picks

ISO on gyro and gjt hasn't really convinced me on either yet but I did like the hypothetical scum play.

[Thomth]

I've been flip-flopping on Gyro a lot but ultimately I'm feeling he's probably town and maybe kind of lynchbait? He's contributed (very slightly) more on D2 by actually posting some reads and thoughts, but his behaviour is still pretty consistent with D1:

I am currently leaning more on them being lynch bait, does anything in particular point you in the direction of them being scum? You said you are going back and forth on them so I thought there might be something they said/did that you are seeing that I am not.

[Thomth]

Then can’t scum just claim scum because people wont think their scum because that’s against the rules ?

Was referring to self as Scum early on, nice ploy to divert attention why would Scum say they Scum, oh right because they are

I dont see worst as scum at all, he seems like a helpful duck[/quote

Alexcellent (SE) - probably townie but then again idk SE players are probably smarter than us so i expect them to be better scum
the worst (SE) - possible scum possible townie depending if hes trying hard as a mafia disguised as town or not

I think Gjt and an SE are scum

Flipping opinion on the worst in the same sentence, just looks very suspicious to me, I still think they are both Scum

Has Urist even posted recently? Oh i see Pvpurist.

He might actually be my 2nd mafia tell because of his act, i feel like it isnt out of realm of possibility that one mafia says im town and the other goes against me so then if 1 ends being scum the other looks ‘good’, you get me?

Urist/another SE leaning urist now and Gjt are my maf picks

Changed to PvtUrist, convinced and SE is Scum doesn't mention PvtUrist previously, maybe this one is to divert attention away from the worst

Because people like sheeping on a safe policy lynch like me ))

Only Gyro has referenced themselve as a Policy Lynch. Starting to see why, hes offered it to us from the beginning, time to call his bluff

Urist outright voted for him self twice and JV hinted at them self being scum more then once, as a joke. Why point your finger at Gyro for the same reasons, as far as I can tell, but not Urist or JV?

[Thomth]

There is alot of anti-town in this game. Maybe scum is non anti-town...

[Thomth]

Here is my anti-town list in no particular order:

JV- Claimed themself as scum multiple times.

Urist- Voted for himself twice and is to busy to post atm.

Gyro- Not contributing much but can turn lyrics into speech which I like. Has hinted at themself being scum as well.

Me- Alot of confusing posts, do I have a point? Why hide it behind non sense if I do? Have hinted at myself being scum as well.

faustiv- very little content, mentioned game was slow, then disappeared.

[Thomth]

You are very thorough with your posts which could be seen as a scum tactic too. the worst has mentioned a fairly good mafia player on the wiki stating that effort =/= alignment, so maybe gyros post count isnt a good metric to use to claim scum.

It is anti-town, but anti-town is not exactly scum.

What about the worst is leaning you towards them being scum?

Only person so far that I felt confident with being scum was JV, however enough people are reading them as town that I think I am just misreading them.

[Thomth]

I think you might be NK after gyro flips town. Problem I saw with scum!tw is that unless we correctly ID their scum partner first they will have plenty of leverage to work with. In geneal town is in very bad shape from D1.

[Thomth]

I guess what I found curious was how Uncrowned was NKed. I have had this sense from D1 that scum team also has anti-town working towards their win(?)

Why such a conspiracy against town in this game, if that thought was true? Maybe just for the luls? The opening to the game felt odd to me.

the worst has said they will be talking to ~4 people post game, and with Urist bringing up "multiball" it made me wonder exactly what is going on.

Alot of anti-town, the lynching of a town PR, and the NK of Uncrowned
when the worst said they are D1 lynch. As well Uncrowned was a very useful town player. Whew!

[Thomth]

@Thomth
The best thing I can teach you is how to play mafia, find scum or be good scum - if that means you end up mislynching me it's a point against my wincon in-game but if the lynch is well fought and y'all learn from it I'm a happy duck.

I won't play against my wincon or compromise this game in the slightest. Doesn't mean I'm happy with you just writing me off because I'm experienced. :#

@Gjt This post convinced me of tw being town!IC. I could be misreading it but I basically just read honesty? tw as an idea is pretty frightening but everything is permissible.

Also, the conspiracy agaisnt town I think was really, more of a "Stand Alone Complex" that I built up in my head over one post by Urist.

Looks like the lynch might be either gyro or gjt today, gyro is most logical choice.

Am I logical? ye he hey!

Intent to hammer Gjt

[Thomth]

To be less memey I feel you are pushing for this Gyro lynch really hard; you will bet your whole mafia career on Gyro being scum?

[Thomth]

An issue I see now though, is I don't see the same "fake townie" posts coming from Gjt that gyro stated that they saw, earlier.

I tried looking for it after ISOing gyro back to the point where they began tunneling you, Gjt but I did not see the same fakeness that they saw.

So I tunnled JV
Gyro tunnled Gjt
Gjt tunnled gyro.

Am I getting this right?

[Thomth]

@JacksonVirgo
Are you set on Gyro lynch D2? If I take my JV!scum glasses off I still just see a gyro lynch, gjt NK.

[Thomth]

That or gyro lynch me NK.

[Thomth]

Anyways, I put my scum!JV glasses back on and my

intent to hammer Gjt

is back.

[Thomth]

My reasoning behind this was Uncrowned was the NK D1 and I thought they were a very useful town. I feel Gjt is a very useful town as well so the fact they had so many votes on them was alarming.

In general I am foreseeing JV/Gyro/Me/Gjt as being a town block tunneling eachother. Very bad for town if so.

[Thomth]

If that is the case, then that leaves Alexcellent/Urist/the worst. I am having trouble reading you three either way. I am tunneling JV, however the consensus is JV is town. Leading me to believe I am simply misreading them.

[Thomth]

I think JV is wrong as well, town is not winning a 3v2

[Thomth]

I will try analyzing everyones votes, while time consuming I think the best direction is probably in that. Reading everyones posts isnt really showing me anything new.

[Thomth]

One interesting thing is faustiv said gyro was scum before gyro even posted and now faustivs replacement, Gjt, is tunneling gyro.

[Thomth]

still got plenty of time and faustiv is my strong hunch rn

assuming you're still campaigning for either ojoi or gyro to get the D1 lynch?

what are your thoughts on Urist's posts? some good stuff there imo

I will run myself through Urists post in a second. I also I might be biased but I kind of want an ojoi lynch or at least push them to L-1 to get a claim today ;-;

Now, I want to tell everyone new ONE important thing and if you do not follow this I will hate you forever. If a person is at L-1 (one vote off from a lynch)

DO NOT HAMMER THE SUCKA!

Tell them that you intend to hammer them, and give them time to claim because if you hammer it without their claim you might be poppin' off a PR and that would a one way ticket to get lynched the following day.

It's just stressing me out that people have gotten to L-2 so quick.

Jackson, you say hammering without a claim is one way ticket to being lynched next day. Yet you say Gjt is not the lynch for today.

What gives?

[Thomth]

Oh yeah that is true, I liked the fake hammer.

[Thomth]

Anyways I think I learned how to play...