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You may agree or disagree with Kain but he did his fair bit of scum hunting. In this case, much more than yourself, what's your obsession with him ? Do you have any other reads or you are just trying to pick the low hanging fruit as scum ?
Also, read your own posts above and see who is being defensive here ?
I am on my phone but I think you have one of the lowest contribution here in contents and number of posts.-
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Ice, please reply to our accusations, you are at L-2 ? I am considering putting you at L-1
A few notes:
- Nahdia, I effectively read your posts and agree with your points, I should have given you credit for mentioning this first.
- KainTepes, although I agree with you on Ice, I think you are the kind of guy who will use CAPS and get attention whether you are town or scum. It would be nice if you can make longer posts when accusing someone. This is not like town of salem where the day lasts only 2 minutes.
- Clumsy, I think you are town in this game, you are posting much more than in our previous game.
- Phantom, do you have any reads aside from species ?
- Drixx are you holding back ? You are asking Clumsy his ISO but didn't post your own reads so far ?
Also, if you are town, you should post opinions and argue with others. If you lurk, you are giving more room for scum to hide.-
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In post 258, Dwlee99 wrote:I've been getting a bit apathetic towards this game haha
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In post 261, KainTepes wrote:MY TUMMY HURTS...
I don't know if you realise but you add a lot of clutter, it is not the caps which is the most annoying but the fact that you fill half of the pages with one liners. I am sure I am not the only one here to consider a policy lynch.
Also, if I understand correctly you got refused in one open game from Maestro, maybe someone refused to play with you ? You are maybe starting to get a reputation here.-
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In post 264, Drixx wrote:In post 254, BlueTrin wrote:Ice, please reply to our accusations, you are at L-2 ? I am considering putting you at L-1
A few notes:
- Nahdia, I effectively read your posts and agree with your points, I should have given you credit for mentioning this first.
- KainTepes, although I agree with you on Ice, I think you are the kind of guy who will use CAPS and get attention whether you are town or scum. It would be nice if you can make longer posts when accusing someone. This is not like town of salem where the day lasts only 2 minutes.
- Clumsy, I think you are town in this game, you are posting much more than in our previous game.
- Phantom, do you have any reads aside from species ?
- Drixx are you holding back ? You are asking Clumsy his ISO but didn't post your own reads so far ?
Also, if you are town, you should post opinions and argue with others. If you lurk, you are giving more room for scum to hide.
Yes I have held back a bit. I'm trying to sort KT because his post style seems like it's intentional and I am trying to discern if he's scum using it as a way to keep from slipping or if he's town and hoping he'll be viewed as an easy lynch and left alive so he can solve the game. I also wanted to see what you would do replacing in (so far, I'm fairly impressed and getting a good vibe; you get extra points for calling me out), and I still want to see the clumsy ISO and I am holding my thoughts back a little so as not to give him something to sheep. He has pressure on him to produce (although it is lessened by the pressure on Ice3) and I really want to see what he produces as it will be very useful in reading him.
With Phantom being fairly strongly focused on species (your slot), I am also interested to see his response to your entrance.
Well for KT, you can see his history here. He is posting one liners and gets accused of trolling in many games. I think he is trying genuinely to play the same way as Mafia and Town. Unfortunately I am not allowed to discuss other games but let's say that he likes to say that his tummy hurts for some reason.
In post 263, Dwlee99 wrote:Bleh rereading is hard can someone can give me a concise list of points about why ice3 is scum?
Cmon Dwlee, it was just one page ago .
I cannot speak for others, but I think Nahdia pointed out that Ice3 is focusing on KT and is tunneling him.
Personally, I didn't like this post:
In post 220, Ice³ wrote:This should be quite obvious that he is scum especially with his last few posts
KT is annoying, but it is far from obvious to me that he is scum.
So Nahdia thought that Ice3 was maybe to get a wagon on KT, although in retrospect this seems to be actually hard to get a wagon on KT because he is not putting much argumentation in his posts.
Now that I re-read the whole history, I am not so sure about Ice3, especially that he put the first vote. However, following my post in 238, I noticed that Bitten wanted to put more pressure on Ice based on her gut feelings.
In post 241, Bitten10minutesago wrote:Just checking in quickly, midterms are kicking my ass. I'll be back soon but might go on a short V/LA
I am keeping an eye on the time here though no worries. And I'm actually intrigued by BlueTrin (Welcome!) in 238 , and actually all of the real arguments against Ice but especially that he really hasn't done much scum hunting. We do have a fair few lurkers here but calling Kain out for not scum hunting when his version of scum hunting is just pushing Kain's buttons seems weird
I still don't think Kain is a good choice for lynch, at least not today. I think his play style can be grating but isn't necessarily scum indicative. I'm more intrigued to see how Ice does with some pressure on, so
VOTE: Ice
(how do you get the cubed? I can't do it)
Nahdia caught up on this weak argumentation, I wanted to wait to see what happens with Bitten as she seemed to just follow the wagon.
In post 249, Nahdia wrote:whoooops
This is a pretty transparent excuse to vote somebody and while it doesn't immediately scream scum to me, if Ice³ is suddenly at L-1 and you aren't reviewing your vote I'm gonna be unhappy.In post 241, Bitten10minutesago wrote:I'm more intrigued to see how Ice does with some pressure on, so
VOTE: Ice
Bitten promised to elaborate later, and admitted it was based on her 'gut' instincts.
In post 250, Bitten10minutesago wrote:In post 249, Nahdia wrote:whoooops
This is a pretty transparent excuse to vote somebody and while it doesn't immediately scream scum to me, if Ice³ is suddenly at L-1 and you aren't reviewing your vote I'm gonna be unhappy.In post 241, Bitten10minutesago wrote:I'm more intrigued to see how Ice does with some pressure on, so
VOTE: Ice
Can I just attribute it to a feeling for now and give a better post when I have the time? Bah. I have every intention of reviewing and fleshing this out when I have the chance.
Good enough summary for Dwlee99 ?-
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In post 268, Dwlee99 wrote:So there isnt even much evidence against ice? I have a gut town read on bitten so I don't think it is scum-driven.
I do not think anybody wants to lynch Ice3 at this point, however people would like him to be on pressure so he would reply.-
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In post 15, Nahdia wrote:Oh and no I'm not entirely new to the game. Very inexperienced in forum mafia in particular but I know the mechanics and such.
I think nobody asked you what your exact experience in the game is.
So I am asking you this. And based on your previous experience as playing scum, who here could be scum ?
PC you are the other SE, surely you must have a few reads ?-
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In post 272, Drixx wrote:At this point, his reluctance to reply or interact is seriously bothering me. I don't see much town motivation for it.
Sorry for the double post, I forgot to reply to this one.
Ice3 will get prodded tomorrow, in the meantime we can just keep a note about whether he'll reply and continue the discussion. I was giggling at the idea of putting pressure on KT but although it might be very funny I don't think we will get anything useful out of it.-
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In post 299, Nahdia wrote:In post 273, BlueTrin wrote:In post 15, Nahdia wrote:Oh and no I'm not entirely new to the game. Very inexperienced in forum mafia in particular but I know the mechanics and such.
I think nobody asked you what your exact experience in the game is.
So I am asking you this. And based on your previous experience as playing scum, who here could be scum?
Experience tl;dr
-Couple thousand chat mafia games (EpicMafia)
-3 Completed forum maf games (by this site's standards they'd be blitz games)
-2 games of Resistance
-4 marathon games
Based on my previous experience, I'm not liking Dwlee. I've absolutely used anger in the past to gain me some leeway when people start to catch onto me (not proud of it but I have done it). I thought Clumsy's point that Dwlee has played a really reactive game was a good one. You can make excuses for it all you like but proactive gameplay is, again in my experience, consistently more indicative of town. If he's really town I wish he'd be more active in trying to scumhunt than just asking for reads to sheep. He started out strong for me but has become a scumread at this point.
I don't necessarily agree with Drixx from 272 that Ice³'s failure to respond to pressure is indicative of scum; there's a million ways to read into someone disappearing. And if it is game related, both town and scum can be defeatist. But not agreeing with that line of thought doesn't make him scum. I really don't know where to go forward on someone who "doesn't give formal reads". Like what the heck is that about??? Okay so don't give me a formal read list just informally, casually even, tell me what you think of people -_-
My read on bitten going forward is going to depend on her next few posts. For now I respect needing to be spare because of midterms. And KainTepes was actually dead on in 257. If Ice³ does end up being town and bitten just transparently sheeped for the sake of pressure, she's going to lookreallybad. We'll cross that bridge if we come to it though.
As for you Blue I'm still definitely wary on your slot. This table has a lot of lurk and just general anti-town playstyles so it's pretty easy for anyone to jump in and suddenly gain a lot of cred just by being proactive and looking like you're sorting things out. A lot of your posts were reiteration of things others, myself especially, had said. Color me unimpressed.
Very True.
Nadia, you made a lot of good points, although I took some of your points, I tried to add my own bits such as the fact that Ice3 didn't contribute much.
I can mostly contribute only when I am back for work, or from time to time on my mobile. It is often the case that by the time I can post, most of the points have been made and I can only agree to what has been said.
A few things though:
- Clumsy thank you for the post
- I am also wary of Dwlee, I have let him go to see if something interesting would happen. Nahdia, I know you like to point out mistakes as soon as they happen but I prefer to let sometimes people develop, so it might come as I am copying you again, but Dwlee yesterday posted his fair bit of negative comments where he wouldn't check the previous page and asked summary. I am allowed by the rules to mention that he was posting somewhere else around the same time. So not sure why Dwlee cannot catch up here and has to ask summaries.
- To be completely honest: I checked Dwlee history of past finished games. He seems to post alot of short posts rather than lengthy arguments, so it may be his playstyle. Also I liked this post from Dwlee, although it could be interpreted both ways: he could be setting up an association for later ?Spoiler: 125
- Agree with Clumsy point as well: Dwlee, if you want reaction, you can just start creating your own opportunities ?
- It is good that you are wary of my slots (like any other slot), this is the only way we can do some progress in the game.
- PC, I do not like your playstyle, like Dwlee, you will make only a few posts and show up only it pleases you. In the last game, this made me very suspicious of your slot.
- Also, I did not mention this one before( which is similar to what Drixx said in Because I did not want to influence Ice3, so this is why I tried to ask people to wait for him to be prodded, and I wanted to see if he is gonna ask to be replaced out.Spoiler: 279
I find that this game will suffer from the following:
- PC and Dwlee will not participate actively but just comment
- KT will be KT
- Ice3 is not posting, I will check if he can be prodded
That's 4 players out of 9.
I want to hear more from you Dwlee than just asking summaries:
VOTE: Dwlee99
If I was to put buckets, I would do this at the moment:
- Town lean: Nahdia, Drixx, Clumsy
- Null: PC, Bitten
- Scum lean: Dwlee99, Ice3
- ???: KT (I think this will one will always be ???)
(Nahdia, you will notice that this is very similar to Clumsy's list, but I am not gonna lie just to look different, should I ?)
EDIT: After writing all of this, I re-read Dwlee ISO and he was a much nicer SE at the beginning of the game.-
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Thank you for prodding Ice3, also I voted Dwlee.-
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Ice, it is considered as anti town to do what you are doing: responding only to prods and not adding much content.
If you are busy IRL, you should consider putting yourself on V/LA or asking for a replacement.
Although anti town does not mean scum, you are likely to be voted as you could be scum hiding and if you are town your contribution is almost null. Also this is bad because scum can get a lynch on you easily.-
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In post 329, KainTepes wrote:can we just lynch ICE, we dont have much time left!!!
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In post 343, Dwlee99 wrote:Phantom still has his vote from post 145.
I mentioned this already I don't like PC style too much, in our previous game he was trollish and didn't contribute much: in the end he got lynched on LyLo while being town.
Are you trying to say that he is worse than you so I should move my vote ?-
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In post 350, Nahdia wrote:
I've seen scum that do nothing and I've seen town that do nothing. I've also seen town be active and I've seen scum be active. I don't think someone doing very little proves anything, dude, and I'm not sure how you can genuinely you have an accurate read on him.In post 348, Dwlee99 wrote:NAH<dia>, phantom isnt doing anything.
Nahdia, personally I am not saying the inactive people are scum: all my posts just say that they are anti town and help the scum to hide. My reason to vote someone inactive is a policy lynch in the absence of a better lynch.-
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In post 351, Drixx wrote:Dwlee99 - If you are town, please stop with the "but other people are maybe scum" trying to get a rushed end of day lynch on someone else. If you are town you should be pointing out actual reasons from people's interactions why they are scum. What you are doing looks a lot like survivalism, and scum are who just need to get through the day alive and don't care who gets lynched. You seem not to care who it is, so long as it isn't you. That's not a town mindset in my experience.
Drixx, isn't it better to let him slip ?-
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In post 363, GoodNightMsGreen wrote:In post 362, Drixx wrote:In post 360, Clumsy wrote:I do think Dwlee has a point with number 3 here. PC, could you please expand on this? Drixx, what are your thoughts?
On the face of it, my guess is that Phantom was trying to see how I would react to #300. The problem is that it's just not really a useful reaction test. I can't answer for how he reads my posts, so what can I say to his suggestion that I'm faking it? If he had been specific, there might be something for me to say, but otherwise it just looks like either a bad reaction test or an attempt to throw some doubt on what I was saying around that time. His disappearing from the thread makes it hard to follow up with it for sure.
I don't know that we should just lynch him for saying that and then disappearing, though. That seems like a stretch.
PC does that ... and disappear unfortunately.
Sorry that was me, I share a hydra account with someone else. Didn't check the account before to post. Apologies.-
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In post 360, Clumsy wrote:I do think Dwlee has a point with number 3 here. PC, could you please expand on this? Drixx, what are your thoughts?
PC you didn't reply to this ?
Also Dwlee, if you believe PC is scum then why are you not moving your vote !
I am sure other people noticed as well.
This is part of why you are getting of survivalism ?-
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In post 371, Dwlee99 wrote:Because there clearly isnt a wagon on PC. I'll move my vote if there is a chance the wagon is happening, right now my vote is better used on a wagon that has a chance of going through. I'd also like to mention that OMGUS from phantom is interesting and shows they're clearly following the thread along without doing anything.
You are too lazy to read the posts, too lazy to start a wagon, to lazy to post until I vote you ?
Can you summarise why we are better keeping you in the game ? I am tempted to tell you to not say because PC, KT and Ice are worse, but I guess that would kind of make sense with the current situation.-
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In post 383, Ice³ wrote:In post 379, Dwlee99 wrote:Meant to post some text there, anyway, that's the only post having to do with ice. Pre-flip associations are meh but there is some things that point to an ice and phantom scum team.
Tbh I made this account and this is my first full game can a scum vote for another scum?
They call this bussing (I suppose it means to push your partner under the bus) when you actively try to lynch your partner.
This is done so the other partner earns town cred and then can lead the town afterwards.
I would be surprised to see this in D1 in a newbie game though.
Although a normal scum should vote his partner and not try to defend him as it will look suspicious when he flips scum.-
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In post 397, Nahdia wrote:BlueTrin do you actually scumread PC or are you just trying to exert pressure on him at this point? Having a hard time following your votes.
I want him to reply now, last game I was with him, he played in the same way and I predicted, that if he ended up as town in LyLo we would lose because nobody would trust him: this is what happened last game (although Clumsy was very good scum)
I would like him to speak more, but I suspect he just won't.-
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In post 385, Ice³ wrote:In post 383, Ice³ wrote:In post 379, Dwlee99 wrote:Meant to post some text there, anyway, that's the only post having to do with ice. Pre-flip associations are meh but there is some things that point to an ice and phantom scum team.
Tbh I made this account and this is my first full game can a scum vote for another scum?
Note: This message is completely unrelated to the game at hand
I missed that post on my first read of the page.
Ice, sorry but I'll be frank with you: this really sounds like a really bad scum slip ? Although, it is so naive that I wonder whether it is really one.-
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In post 408, PhantomCobalt wrote:This wagon is tasty, all the scum on it Ruffles my jimmies
Drixx I'm going to ask you a few questions
Xbox or PS4?
Basketball or baseball?
French or Spanish?
Most importantly, if you had 3 balls in a bag. What colors would they be? Rainbow colors pls
PS4
Basketball
French
Red red and red
Can I play too ?
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In post 425, Nahdia wrote:uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhggggggggggggg I dunno I'm sleepin on all this.
Good night it's 5 Am here and I can't sleep for some reason ...
Dwlee I put my vote on PC for him to talk, I don't really buy what you posted either, I'll re-read tomorrow though.-
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In post 459, Bitten10minutesago wrote:In post 456, BlueTrin wrote:Bitten you get easily swayed, isn't it ?
Also be wary about the fact that low post count is anti town, but anti town does not mean scum.
I do have a habit of being easily swayed, I'm working on it.
And that's a good point about it being anti town, I'll look for more scum cues when I have the chance. Definitely not anywhere near dropping the hammer until I can do my own read
It's not really a bad thing to re-evaluate.
I am new like you, so don't put too much weight in what I am saying.
Also I think some people here missed the fact that Dwlee is 14.-
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Because I think that explains why you are sending shorter messages and why you were lazy
I am 35, if I was to meet someone of my age who told me that he is too lazy and want a summary, I would tell him just do it yourself you lazy ass-
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In post 489, Nahdia wrote:morning guys my head hurts like hell wonder why that could be.....
at this point I'm just interested in making sure we lynch SOMEONE. It's not my top choice but I am willing to hammer this vote. PC now would be the time to say anything else you've got in your defense/reads to you'd like to see us sheep down the line etc.
I agree with you, at the moment I am ready to hammer PC or Ice.
If people were voting KT I would gladly hammer him just to get least of his posts but this won't happen.
Drixx raised good points: in my last game PC was fairly detached, Clumsy had to chased him for replies in LyLo, so I was never expecting PC to make very long replies
Drixx you seem to say that PC is usually more active, this is different from my experience with PC in my last game. Is there an explanation for this ?
If PC and Ice were scummy, I think PC would bus Ice.
The only explanation I could come up with is that he does not care about this game ? Or he believe he made his points already clearly enough but then i don't get his points !-
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PC, are you saying that you are scum in this game too ?-
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In post 495, PhantomCobalt wrote:viewtopic.php?p=7445598&user_select[]=26274#p7445598
I got it PC, you pointed to a game where you were scum and you were more talkative.
But why are you so cryptic in here and in my previous game ?-
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In post 488, Drixx wrote:Here's what makes little sense Dwlee99; if Phantom is just going to give up instead of try to save himself, why not self vote and deny us getting any more out of today? This passiveness when he's at L-1 is really strange.
Are you saying that PC is a VT ?-
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In post 497, Dwlee99 wrote:Phantom what are your reads?
Please give all your reads in case you flip town ? PC ?-
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In post 502, GoodNightMsGreen wrote:In post 501, Clumsy wrote:I think I'm leaning more for an Ice lynch today. They've disappeared while we've focused on PC.
You said they have disappeared.
Who are they ? Ice and who ?
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In post 509, Dwlee99 wrote:Phantom didnt even claim?
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In post 512, PhantomCobalt wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7486381
this is my town game. im sad that i have to meta defend here with dwlee death tunneling me :/
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Clumsy, I will be honest with you, PC is making me doubt the lynch. It is not as bad as when we lynched BBT, because PC is always a bit trolly.
I think we should go through the ISO and see who didn't post and who took some time to post negative opinion on Ice and PC. Once PC flips either town or scum this might give us some clues.-
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In post 524, PhantomCobalt wrote:In post 519, BlueTrin wrote:Clumsy, I will be honest with you, PC is making me doubt the lynch. It is not as bad as when we lynched BBT, because PC is always a bit trolly.
I think we should go through the ISO and see who didn't post and who took some time to post negative opinion on Ice and PC. Once PC flips either town or scum this might give us some clues.
exactly, me playing like this isnt alignment indicative
clumsy knows that i can win a game for town if people listen to me
It didn't quite work last time-
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In post 527, Clumsy wrote:Also, Nahdia, after your drunken night, you unvoted. Where are you at with things now?
This is more what is troubling me (with Nahdia).
When I play Town of Salem, usually most of scum only join wagons against town, they rarely initiate them and sometimes are shy of hammering.
When scum gets accused they often vote late only when they realise that they will look scum if not voting.
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In post 532, Nahdia wrote:
Fraid that "tell" won't work on me. I'm almost always skittish with my votes this late in a dayIn post 529, BlueTrin wrote:In post 527, Clumsy wrote:Also, Nahdia, after your drunken night, you unvoted. Where are you at with things now?
This is more what is troubling me (with Nahdia).
When I play Town of Salem, usually most of scum only join wagons against town, they rarely initiate them and sometimes are shy of hammering.
When scum gets accused they often vote late only when they realise that they will look scum if not voting.
On this website I guess things may be different.because it's smart to be.
Nice job instantly throwing shade when I outted a scumread on you though.
This has nothing to do with your scumread, you always have been suspicious and I have no problem with it.
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In post 534, Clumsy wrote:Honestly, PC isn't my number one vote right now. Unfortunately, like our last game, it's going to be hard for us to believe him on things. It may just be the way he plays. But I would hate for us to get into LYLO again like the last game. Feel the same kind of thing about Kain as well. I do think there are better lynches, but unless we can come to a concensus in the next 4 hours, I'll hammer. Better than no lynch.
We can get the consensus, we are 5. I don't want it to be like when we lynched BBT.
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In post 536, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't want to move off of pc. I feel like he would be hammered as town unless scum are already on his wagon.
I don't think this would be true on D1.
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