Newbie 1821: The Newlywed Game [Game Over][

[Assemblerotws]

Full read in progress. Major question to answer: which one of you is scum?

[Assemblerotws]

It is annoying as hell trying to form reads on two powerlurkers.

[Assemblerotws]

Noticing the Town of Salem discussion, and I think the talents I already have would make me a great player there. Not so much here, but I am trying to improve, and even with your powerlurking, I should be able to sort you eventually.
Huntress and Plus Minus, who do you want your votes on at the moment? My slot or the other person?

[Assemblerotws]

In case you're wondering, I'm currently reading the full thread. After that, I'll ISO each of you, both individually and then in combination with both Nictis and NSG.

[Assemblerotws]

And don't both vote me at once. In fact, don't vote until all three of us have expressed our reads.

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Ideally, we'd each simultaneously make long posts in order to explain our reads in such a way that none of us can see what the others are thinking and saying until we've all said it, but we're going to have to arrange a time for that to happen if we want it done.

[Assemblerotws]

I'm pretty sure that RC was playing his town game here, but I'm going to reread both Plus Minus and RC over the next day or two. If there's anything in particular you want me to comment on in the meantime, please ask me about it.

but i wouldnt put it past rc to xanatos all this.

What does this term mean?

Xanatos from

Gargoyles

was an extraordinary thinker who always tried to set things up so that he would automatically win no matter what happened.

[Assemblerotws]

That. Basically considering his ability to lead the town narrative withiut significant strife i wouldn't put it past him to have sculpted this in some fashion.

I havent found a crumb yet from nsg. I assume she either got blocked or targeted the nightkilled player.

She was a Tracker, you never get both a Roleblocker and Tracker in a Matrix6 game. NSG probably targeted Keychain but got a result that, due to Key's death, was irrelevant.
I want to hear from you two after your reread.

[Assemblerotws]

Oh you've got to be kidding me.

Also, what was that about?

[Assemblerotws]

Caught up, but I want to wait to hear what you two have to say before I make my case.

[Assemblerotws]

It took me some time to come to a conclusion, and I eventually used two major factors to decide what I thought. First off, Plus Minus's interactions with Nictis do not at all look like bussing, and there does not seem to be much to gain if she were to be bussing. Secondly, our actual tracker had declared an intent to investigate Huntress the day before her death, and it was possible for scum!Huntress to deduce that NSG was the Tracker by POE but not possible for Plus Minus to do the same.

Defend yourself, Huntress.

[Assemblerotws]

For me it's Tuesday evening, so I'm currently sitting and waiting for your defense.

[Assemblerotws]

It took me some time to come to a conclusion, and I eventually used two major factors to decide what I thought. First off, Plus Minus's interactions with Nictis do not at all look like bussing, and there does not seem to be much to gain if she were to be bussing. Secondly, our actual tracker had declared an intent to investigate Huntress the day before her death, and it was possible for scum!Huntress to deduce that NSG was the Tracker by POE but not possible for Plus Minus to do the same.

Defend yourself, Huntress.

Plus Minus appeared to be convinced that Nictis had made a scumslip with the doctor query (see 253, 310 and 477). Confirmation bias can lead scum to think a partner's posts are more scummy than they really are and I think that may be what happened here. If Plus thought Nictis was the obvious lynch he had little to lose, and a lot to gain, by being early on the wagon.

Nictis had Plus Minus as one of his top scum reads but only gave weak reasons for this (adding a couple of times that it might just be paranoia) and never really pushed him at all, going after others instead.

As I had already said that I was VT, Plus only had to decide whether RC was telling the truth about being tracker or not. The fact that you raised this bothers my faith in my read on RC/you a bit, as the only one who could be fairly certain that NSG was the tracker was your slot. Plus and I both had two to choose between.

Possibly hindsight bias on my part, as I already knew NSG was the Tracker.
However, your initial point doesn't hold that much water, due to the Doctor also believing Nictis's actions were a scumslip. In fact, CheekyTeeky scumread Nictis for his doctor stunt several posts before Plus Minus weighed in. Your second point is, however, potentially valid. I wish I could hear PM respond to this soon.

[Assemblerotws]

Standing by.

[Assemblerotws]

We're in agreement, then, Diamond. Shall we end this?

[Assemblerotws]

What breadcrumb are you talking about here? NSG stated her suspicion of me openly.

That would be the breadcrumb I'm talking about. EXCEPT.

In a game where one scum is already dead and the setup is known, there's no mechanical reason for NSG to hide her role and drag the game out for 2 extra day phases if she saw you visit Cheeky N1, or Keychain N2.

There's no way RC didn't know that. Assembler, care to explain why you let my overtly bad logic stand?

NSG would not have continued her nonmechanical scumread of Huntress D3 if she had tracked Huntress the previous night. I don't know why she chose to delay tracking Huntress until N3, but she clearly did.

[Assemblerotws]

Do either of you have any actual complaints against me?
I'm actually starting to worry about Diamond right now. Townreads are being destroyed all over the place.

[Assemblerotws]

Good game, Huntress.