Mini 2321: Classic Commercials (Postgame)

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*twirls*

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Cuz you don’t appreciate Shiny Charmander’s art

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Hi Flavor

Sup

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Scum slip spotted

VOTE: Leaf

Hope this is a real meta read of yours

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that's a choice

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Post more so i can pick my spot to pounce

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RCE is conf town in my eyes

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Could even call it

A soul read

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Hu Tao pinging me a little, but really got no reason as to why

It’s not soul read yet, though, so might mean townTaoTuesdays, but not ready to say that yet either

They’re gonna kill me if they’re scum, though, anyways so it’ll be a ta ta for now for me

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Bingle wants to play with me, so Dunn, I don’t scum read you currently, but I see merit in joining the wagon to find some stuff out

VOTE: Dunnstral

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Gob might be scum here.

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Okay, just read game for the first time for real other than passing by.

Y’all needed some flavor because ya didn’t even salt your cakes come on

Naerys has a little scum potential, they haven’t shaded me yet, but they did mention, so ya know what, have a town read

Bingle dancing could be either alignment, but still wanna lean town.

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Ssbm is compensating for something

Dunno what though

Neutral , but i got my eyes on em

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Gob might be scum here.

Am I or not? Seems you want to be right either way here.

I like being right, sure, but i care much more about getting scum dead.

I’ll take the false bravado

VOTE: Gob

Let’s 1v1. I think you’re scum here.

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Let it be known, if Gob flips scum, 102 is what outted the jiggly

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I won a scum game with Gob recently.

This is similar.

They’re purposeful as scum, yet fluffy and seemingly doing nothing.

They’re doing a very similar thing here.

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So basically, I’m countering your meta read with my meta read.

Your read is valid, but for now, I’m happy pushing Gob.

I am noting your meta defense, though. I could be wrong.

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AnimatedWiz kind of pinged. They said they don’t see anything scum-indicative.

What is Gob’s scum style, Animated Wiz? I wanna know how you see their scum style.

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That's fair. Is it something you think they wouldn't do as scum, Thomith?

I'm really not married to the Gob Scum read, this game was super slow, so I felt like bringing up my slight pings, and zooming in to the ^^^^^\/ graph to find little irregulars that aren't flat lined. I still think I'm on the more likely scum side of the graph, but the graph could get dropped, flipped inside out, and inverted with newer actions.

I like 114 as a whole.

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If there’s anything you can be sure about with FL it’s that you can’t be sure about any read he gives out before like…day 4.

A group of us just won a game where we hit all 3 scum by day 4. 2 of them were my day 1 soul reads.

The other I guiltied.

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I’m still gonna flip and flop, but i been catching scum, puttin em on a platter since 2014

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I won a scum game with Gob recently.

This is similar.

They’re purposeful as scum, yet fluffy and seemingly doing nothing.

They’re doing a very similar thing here.

So basically, I’m countering your meta read with my meta read.

Your read is valid, but for now, I’m happy pushing Gob.

I am noting your meta defense, though. I could be wrong.

Does this read work when we're only on the first few pages of the game?

Sure. With further actions made by players, it’s easier for gamestate perspective to change, though, and change things.

I state how things are in the moment, and then adapt as i feel gamestate changes.

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I’m playing in a Timothy-AWiz town core mode.

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Thomith*

Autocorrects me to Timothy lol

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i followed on dunn for a second, and im not avoiding scum reading ya bingle, i lean/light scum read ya if that makes you feel better

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wonder if you picked up on that

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im just a vanilla this game, so go ahead and fade me

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VOTE: Flavor

Kill Vanilla Townie with little claims, and move from there.

Still the best town victory strat lately.

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Naerys, Wiz, Tomith, Hu Tao are strongest town reads of mine right now.

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and RCEnigma

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VOTE: Flavor

Kill Vanilla Townie with little claims, and move from there.

Still the best town victory strat lately.

We both know I'm not interested in fading you today. Always so dramatic.

I’m in interested in it, though

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Fade me,

Vig’s on Gob, Cop on Cakez, other investigatives play wherever

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Fade me,

Vig’s on Gob, Cop on Cakez, other investigatives play wherever

Why are you encouraging the vig to shoot me?

Cuz they should, especially after my role is confirmed green

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Could I interest you with a fob vote Roden? You seem to be about where I am wrt that whole biz.

How come you’re trying to go after my push now that I’m trying to get myself faded?

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Gob is like pretty obv scum from where I’m standing

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I feel their scum intentions and scum fluffing deeply in my soul.

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They make a lot of posts that look NAI, and imo, you can sense in this game that they’re trying to make posts that come across as NAI. But as town, you don’t ‘try’ to make those posts, you just do, and that’s the difference.

I saw it when I was scum with them.

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Cakez is also probably scum

Just have a feeling

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I'm at the bottom of page 4, and a little miffed there has been no reaction from FL yet. Maybe it is to come, but I don't have time to read now.

Normally I'd get caught up on Monday after recurring weekend vla but I won't be able to until Tuesday

Ssbm is compensating for something

Dunno what though

Neutral , but i got my eyes on em

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Could you maybe not try and get yourself Limmed?

Dig deeper

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I don't see the benefit of Limming you when you're one of my town reads at this point, and we still have time to get more information.

Then don’t lim me

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Flavor went from calling themselves scum to calling themselves confirmed town.

Not buying that. Also thomith reads are all fence sitty

yeah this is bad.

the confirmed town is *after* i would have flipped and literally been flipped green.

VOTE: Gob

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Too ready to overexplain town!gob

Care to share your own thoughts on gob, then?

I would think a lack of detail more suspicious than an overabundance of it personally, and you haven’t stated much on the matter.

I don't get scumpings from him so I'm not too focused on what he's posting. I've noticed he seems to like to do shit just to do it, even when he doesnt believe in it, like for reactions, so I'm predisposed to do this to him and focus more on associations

so basically you got a basic nothing read and overdefending, and trying to start up new wagons, got it and noted.

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celeb looks good

love being the top wagon day 1

slurpin on all the wolves on mi wagon

immediate pandering to new player too.

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Gob's in panic mode trying to look like they're chillin'

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i live in their soul

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scramblin'

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can't take a lil ol push?

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didn't take Gob for someone weak to a little bit of leafy pressure

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Gob might be scum here.

Am I or not? Seems you want to be right either way here.

I like being right, sure, but i care much more about getting scum dead.

I’ll take the false bravado

VOTE: Gob

Let’s 1v1. I think you’re scum here.

held up well

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didn't take Gob for someone weak to a little bit of leafy pressure

youre just bugging me

dont ask for the heat if youre afraid of a cook puff.

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You think Gamma wasn't bugged when you were aggressively blanket shade pushing them the game we were scum together? Sounds hypocritical.

Feels more like annoyed scum than annoyed town here.

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VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko. I think that you’re trying to twist my read into something it’s not, and I’m unsure

why

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my initial reaction was that they wanted to have opposite reads than me, but it could be they saw I was pushing Gob, don't see why, and in their head, they retracted towards, Don't Agree With Flavor!

which could be a paranoid town mindset.

But that took me a minute to get to because my initial reaction was *SAVING GOB* and then chopping down a town read of mine. But it's a little on the nose for that, but won't throw it out, the possibility.

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For what it's worth, I'm happy to have ssbm in that spot. I could be wrong and tunneled, but I dont think I am. I still am looking for reasons to town read Gob. Still looking into every other slot. Good spot to be on Page 12.

I don't take 'Gob just seems to do whatever' seriously as a defense. That doesn't mean it's unreadable. People liked to do that with Not Mafia, and I think NM is readable. Gob does a lot more than NM too.

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AnimatedWiz
Thomith
Roden
Naerys

RCEnigma
Bingle
Hu Tao
Celebloki

ssbm_kyouko
Dunnstral

SirCakez

Gob

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no order in between tiers

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Someone on the Wiz wagon is a Gobby partner.

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Why is wiz town?

a mixture of how they defended Gob, and when I came after them a bit sideways, they made their 114, which i liked, and said it then. In addition, the way they returned against SSBM creating a new 1v1 during a time of contention with Gob main wagon, isn't scum motivated unless Wiz is scum with Gob.

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For what it's worth, I'm happy to have ssbm in that spot. I could be wrong and tunneled, but I dont think I am. I still am looking for reasons to town read Gob. Still looking into every other slot. Good spot to be on Page 12.

I don't take 'Gob just seems to do whatever' seriously as a defense. That doesn't mean it's unreadable. People liked to do that with Not Mafia, and I think NM is readable. Gob does a lot more than NM too.

I dont really care if you townread me or not. I dont think kyokou was defending me btw they were just giving a read. The overall read was null iirc, could be misremembering tho


I do agree its not a good defense. That is just how i play as either alignment, ill get bored and do something to spice up the game.

My main towntells in my opinion are frankly, im way meaner as town, way stupider as town and less scared. I also think you could probably compare my posts per day number as scum to town and get some info.

Im not particularly well hidden as either alignment, really. Its a problem but i dont think i can change how i play anymore.

Glad to hear it. I can't say I cared one way or another if you cared for me to town read you.

And 'giving a read' in favor, is a way of defending, especially in a Scum/Scum world. I don't think it is a Scum/Scum world with you two, though, so sure.

Nothing is ever truly null.

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I do think your meta read is likely stronger than mine—he replaced into our game and didn’t agree with the other scum’s strategy of crossbussing, so some of what I may be basing this off of could just be a bit of frustration influencing his gameplay then.

He was very, uh, direct and didn’t try to cloak himself with a lack of detail—seemed to sort of be asking for people to challenge him about his reads to hopefully have them potentially slip up and therefore be an easy target for a miselim. However, later on he went very quiet and stalled, intentionally spending as long as he could before revealing his claimed night actions when pressured by everyone else.

I can see the sort of challenge he declared in 102 as just being part of his general gamestyle—I’ve not played a town game with him, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he used similar strategies to bait slips from others as town.

114, not 144.

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oh i said that

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Imo, Wiz/SSBM is likely Town/Town. They defended Gob in the same way. This is probably true even if Gob is town.

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im gonna switch SSBM and Hu Tao

. Bingle goes---im just gonna redo it.

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AnimatedWiz
Thomith
Roden
Naerys

RCEnigma
ssbm_kyouko
Celebloki

Hu Tao
Bingle
Dunnstral

SirCakez

Gob

SirCakez really no rhyme or reason. The fact they're there probably means they are town. Bingle i have an off vibe of this game, but i dont know if theyre scum because of that. Bingle is actually really good at working me when they're scum, so might be points. RCE making this play of choosing to town read me is another testing of Flavor. They did this recently in a game where they were scum, but the opposite and scum read me, and i dont really see RCE going 'Hey, Flavor felt like I was scum doing that, so ill just do the EXACT opposite!' as scum here. It just is like....nah. No point in giving me additional power as scumRCE. I can probably move them up to the top.

Celebloki I think I can soul read real easy now, but I havent ever seen them as scum. But I found out my gut town read on them is pretty good in the last game we played, so im just gonna trust that for now.

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I’ll just say this once Flavor

I am so far ahead of you in the game of Mafia. You can try and swipe at my feet, but thats all you can do.

I am tempted to let you mislim me here just so i can prove a point that you’re not as good as you think you are, but you could be mafia so thats not the right play.

But like, the way you look at the game and the way i look at the game are totally different. You are looking for pennies and quarters and im looking for 50s and hundreds.

So trying to 1v1 me is a laughable proposition to me. You gotta get some gym badges before u can fight me, so to speak.

I made the Gym Badges, and designed the system to get them. You're taking the challenge.

You thinking I'm 'trying to 1v1' is hilarious.

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I also do not care if I mislim early.

If anything it leads to me hitting scum almost every time Day 2.

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I’ll just say this once Flavor

I am so far ahead of you in the game of Mafia. You can try and swipe at my feet, but thats all you can do.

I am tempted to let you mislim me here just so i can prove a point that you’re not as good as you think you are, but you could be mafia so thats not the right play.

But like, the way you look at the game and the way i look at the game are totally different. You are looking for pennies and quarters and im looking for 50s and hundreds.

So trying to 1v1 me is a laughable proposition to me. You gotta get some gym badges before u can fight me, so to speak.

I've found $80 worth of quarters and pennies, and a couple $20's even, but you're still looking for you're first $50.

You also are looking at everything on a complete surface level without even realizing I have a whole damn underground secret base researching endlessly and automatically.

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My problem at this point is that if you're scum, this looks like you're trying to fake distance yourself from me. Your scum reads reek of "rule of 3" and your callousness towards me feels out of place yet intentional.

This is some good stuff

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My problem at this point is that if you're scum, this looks like you're trying to fake distance yourself from me. Your scum reads reek of "rule of 3" and your callousness towards me feels out of place yet intentional.

I don’t think this is a post scum roden makes about town gob. It could 100% be a post scum roden makes about scum gob, though, and actually looks worse association wise than anything gob may have been trying to do.

This is scummy imo

How is it scummy for you? (I don’t necessarily disagree, just wondering your pov)


I think Roden’s post is good.

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I think Bingle and Gob have more partner equity than Roden and Gob for sure.

I do think Roden bringing up fake distancing is a stretch if Scum/Scum, and would require the two of them to be working well together. I doubt they’d have found their footing this fast in this game as partners.

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I love accidentally posting.

What I was going to say to that quote was do you think those two specifically wouldn't have found their footing in the game as partners yet, or that scum partners generally likely would not have found their footing yet?

I would say both. Most players don’t this soon, but knowing Roden, Roden would try to patch it or just risk Gob going down. I think this situation is really real for Gob to possibly go down, so Roden coming after them that way imo doesn’t make sense.

I’m town reading Roden pretty strongly, though, so i have a hard time seeing them ever as S/S anyways

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I think Bingle and Gob have more partner equity than Roden and Gob for sure.

I do think Roden bringing up fake distancing is a stretch if Scum/Scum, and would require the two of them to be working well together. I doubt they’d have found their footing this fast in this game as partners.

Really? I think the opposite. I think it shows them NOT meshing well. Like, Roden seems way more concerned about how he’ll look if gob flips scum than I’d expect town to be, and it’s that self conscious feeling that makes me think they might be teamed.

Hmm, I can see that, actually. I don’t necessarily think it’s happening, but like i said, I’m town reading Roden, but i get what you’re saying

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Too ready to overexplain town!gob

TMI or S/S?

TMI, I think gob towntelled, but I only just read the towntell. He hadn't made the post yet when I read Animated's post

Unrelated, how do you prefer to be referred to

@Animated Wiz

? I prefer being called Kyouko or an abbreviation of that (Kyo, Kyou, Ky) rather than ssbm, and I find myself unsure whether to call you A Wiz, AWiz, Animated, Wiz

Say what the town tell is when you say this type of stuff

Else it just feels like posturing

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Oh, Kyokou is becoming kinda obv scum these last few pages

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Kyouku’s posts are tryharding to throw a wrench in the current gamestate, and then turning on Gob and now trying to set up Gob/FL still if Gob goes down is super partnery.

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This in conjunction to their play earlier, not a good look at all.

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Their entire gameplay is ‘Counter FL’ which is generally scum indicative.

There’s a difference in the ‘Counter FL’ than something like a Hu Tao or a Naerys would do in a ‘Shade FL’, it’s the actual takes and reads and gamestate dragging/positioning that is in direct counter to what I’m pushing.

It’s the things like Gob town told, but no follow up.

And the way it looks like they’re actively choosing reads rather than naturally getting them

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Kyok, Gob, Dunnstral is my way too early solve, but i don’t really scum read Dunnstral independently from the other 2.

The other 2 I have independent reads on AND partner equity.

Dunnstral here looks to be pushing Bingle, Kyo dealing with me, and trying to chop down Gob wagon

And yet, neither have given any real reasons to town read Gob.

“Always like this” is a poor reason, because that’s a surface level analysis. I am reading Gob on a level past that.

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I think Dunnstral alignment becomes obvious as game goes by.

I think Kyo or Gob is the right play today.

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Dunn’s posts feel like they’re saying very little—like he’s delivering reads that have only a small amount of weight behind them to look invested and impactful without having to be the center of attention. At the same time, it feels like they’re token acts to push attention away from gob, maybe?

If there was more meat to the points he makes, I would think it less suspicious, but it’s also that the reads seem to be designed to divert attention away from gob’s wagon—like 333/335 shading Bingle for trying to associate gob and Roden or 369/371 calling Hu Tao townie for being unsure about the current wagons (notably, Hu Tao is the competing wagon, mine).

I admit, I’m a little less sure about the argument of him trying to support gob, but I do really think he is trying to kind of, uh, not make visible waves—small impacts that hide in plain sight.

VOTE: Dunnstral.

I agree a lot with the token acts away from Gob IF they are scum for sure.

However, I think Kyouku is doing this much more, and Dunn had already put on record they are just sheeping Kyouku, so I think Dunn does have sheeping town mentality on the side against some of the people pushing him.

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That being said, I’m not interested in a Dunnstral wagon prior to a Kyouku today

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Naerys and Roden scum read each other in that last game we played, i think they are TvT.

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Naerys is also super genuine about their reads and isn’t really distracting from anything and simply giving their reads.

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Yeah, I’m pretty confident in KyoukuScum here.

Look at how the situation ended up.

Wiz vs Kyouku started, Wiz became a counterwagon to Gob, and then Wiz is convinced to move off the person pushing there and onto Dunn instead.



Hu Tao has some scum equity, but I think I’m okay town reading them for the day. I usually can read them pretty well when they take action.

Kyouku took action, and imo, that’s what outed them to me. It is the setup afterwards of if they lose today and Gob goes down, the prep for future days.

It’s just not natural townie play.

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Also, i think it's kind of a giveaway there is scum in at least one of Gob or Kyouku because people are trying to add pressure onto Roden, Flavor, Bingle, and if there's any combination of that group of 3 as scum, and we go after Gob, lol.

I guess Roden/Bingle sheep me, but theyre taking heat from places too, so not the best. And like, Gob isn't the best flip for scum right now if Gob is town.

Just all around I'm feeling good about Bingle and Roden right now. We seem to be up on that Gob stage all taking individual heat, and I think that says something.


I also feel people like Thomthin and Wiz are two townies in the crowd with some scumms and taking residual heat (more Wiz than Thomthin on that)

Hu Tao I've got my eye on. if there's a deepwolf, it's them.

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It sucks not having an extensive library of personal meta on everyone. I have like half filled in meta. My best meta read for Kyouko is that she isn't playing like I've seen her in town games I've completed with her. I couldn't say what she looks like as scum. I do notice a significantly quieter energy from her in this game though. Less solvy, more snipey.

This makes me feel so much better about my read.

Celebloki I've seen as town two games recently, and they have subtle next level quiet analysis that comes out like this.

I'm talking like calling out Elements as Deep Wolf scum in that last game but it was a 'crackpot theory' and I got to see that while holding onto a Guilty on Elements.

You also noticed in that game where I was Traitor, partners with Gob, that the Day 1 misfade happening to ask a neighbor about all 3 neighbors, and explaining how it could have happened.

This is yet another example of how I think Celebloki lowkey has some of the best quiet analysis like this on site at the moment.

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Yes, as scum, I push Gob here lololol

Nice OMGUS on the reads Cakez.

Makes me feel a lot better about my reads

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I’ve also been on a roll as town lately.

Like besides one game this year, I’ve had an epic town year

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I also already offered myself and claimed this game, so you’re late on that one Cakez.

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Also, it’s worse because Cakez knows, tonally, when I am scum, I am not scum by tone.

They’re just making reasons up and gave themselves an out once I flip town with the ‘town imploding’ incoming


When that’s just not here as the case, and this also helps me think that if Cakez flips scum, that people who weren’t in the game where Elements/Looker/Yessiree team got Oinked 3 days are not partners with Cakez.

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Gob, who’s scummier, Kouyoko or Cakez?

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okay so some games I don't know who to vote and get stuck
this is not one of them lmaoo
I want to yeet like half this player list rn
however I think the best person to get out of here

ASAP

day one is flavor leaf, bc dude is posting like scum and even if he's town he's already making me think he's going to self implode this game so might as well get it over with now

They said ASAP, lol

In what world where I am scum is this ever even a possibility?

I am near physically impossible to fade Day 1 when I am scum because of how my teammates and I would position where in scenarios where someone has a correct read on scumFlavor, there’s not enough momentum able to be built.

This is purely a buzzword for discrediting.

they’re also outed because I feel my Page 6 and before I am pretty standardly fucking around getting the game out of that standstill it was.

Cakez came in with an agenda here.

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Gob, who’s scummier, Kouyoko or Cakez?

I can't even really remember anything about Kyouko so Cakez.

They’re your 2 hardest defenders.

Kyouko said you town told, but then went on to say you and I were partners.

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I’m tinfoiling a Kyouku, Cakez, Hu Tao team right now.

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Hu Tao is best slot to get investigated if there’s a Cop who trusts me.

If there’s a cop who doesn’t trust me, investigate me tonight.

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Also, i think it's kind of a giveaway there is scum in at least one of Gob or Kyouku because people are trying to add pressure onto Roden, Flavor, Bingle, and if there's any combination of that group of 3 as scum, and we go after Gob, lol.

I guess Roden/Bingle sheep me, but theyre taking heat from places too, so not the best. And like, Gob isn't the best flip for scum right now if Gob is town.

Just all around I'm feeling good about Bingle and Roden right now. We seem to be up on that Gob stage all taking individual heat, and I think that says something.


I also feel people like Thomthin and Wiz are two townies in the crowd with some scumms and taking residual heat (more Wiz than Thomthin on that)

Hu Tao I've got my eye on. if there's a deepwolf, it's them.

I've literally done nothing. How am I the deep wolf

You’ve not ‘literally done nothing’.

You’re literally voting Wiz, a counterwagon to Gob, and stated a town read on RCE and Kyouko.

That is by definition not nothing.

I don’t believe you’ve taken any major actions, which is a choice in itself, imo, but it’s also why you are specifically the deep wolf if you are scum.

I don’t fully scum read you, but I am suspicious of you, which I believe is absolutely fair.

Day 1 reads are very finicky anyways, and I play off Gamestate.

I expect scum to be in my town reads because of that.

I have actively town cored with people because I town read them early in game specifically to catch them out if they were scum later in the game.

You being labeled the deep wolf is a compliment and a trust label that I’m content not pushing you until deep, if necessary. If you’re town, i feel i can town read you successfully by the anyways.

Feels like you took it personally

Day 1 specifically people should never take it personally. If you believe you’ve ’literally done nothing’ this game, why shouldn’t I see you as a possible deep wolf here?

If you’ve ’literally done nothing’ i wouldn’t see reasons to possibly town read you, which I do see, so I don’t believe that rings true.

I do believe that you believe you’ve done nothing, as either alignment, and that’s noted. I don’t know which way to feel about that quite yet, but Mafia is a game of real time multiple phases. I don’t have to know how I feel about it, and can learn to understand my feelings as the game progresses.

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In what world where I am scum is this ever even a possibility?

Pretty sure I could manage it .

Idk about on Day 1, tbh.

Because as scum, I’d be hyper aware of you, and be ready for your momentum by having other sides of it.

I think Day 2 or 3, you could, but I just really don’t think truly catching me Day 1 is possible unless my own team turns on me.

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VOTE: Sircakez

I think this flips scum more often than Gob.

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Wiz is not scum here.

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Wiz is not scum here.

Why me? I mean, I appreciate the defense, but I honestly don’t know what’s made you so convinced—feels almost unearned.

What do you mean unearned?

You’ve been consistently popping up, giving your thoughts on things, defending against reads you don’t think are correct, but not attacking others for the read, and feels like you are genuinely giving your thoughts on this game without having an agenda.

You’re also the Gob counterwagon, where if Gob is town, i still think that it’s just scum splitting wagons. IE: Cakez/Kouyoko

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I’m tinfoiling a Kyouku, Cakez, Hu Tao team right now.

I disagree on Hu Tao.

I could potentially see the other two.

That’s why i said Hu Tao would be deep wolf in another post

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I don't like being intentionally called they and would prefer you use she instead, but I see you use they for a lot of people so I don't think you're doing that on purpose.

I will start to use she for you. Using they as a general term is something I need to be more aware of.

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Roden is also maf forgot bout him

roden cakez flavor

then help me bus Cakez.

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Kyouku, the sooner you realize I just do fuck all on Day 1, probably the better. I've gone from pushing someone as my biggest scum read to having them be lock town read a minute later.

If anything, out of everything I've done this game, I feel me pushing this game out of that stallfest is the biggest defense I got.

I also am just like really good at giving people that pressure, and like to see how they react to pressure.

I've been in autopilot still this game, getting the gamestate feel of things, and I think we're in a good spot.

Cakez has the worst play so far, imo. Still open to you and Gob being town.

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Roden is also maf forgot bout him

roden cakez flavor

eh, 3 of the 4 people on you aren't scum, just never a team of 3 in this gamestate voting you.

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no name misspellings are intentional, sometimes i hit the bongo a little too hard, and ive never played with yall before, and i got a lot going on in the mind when im gamestate analyzing.

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after a rest from the game, and current posting, i no longer scum read Gob or kyouko

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Gob's got extreme surface level reactionary reads is probably town indicative, but i was getting there yesterday.

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Gob's got extreme surface level reactionary reads is probably town indicative, but i was getting there yesterday.

My reads are either right or wrong. That's it.

Damn, why is your color palette so limited?

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Difference is Celeb, is when I’m scum, town follow. When I’m town, town goes ‘wtf is Fl talking about’ and then that evolves into ‘is it just me or is FL starting to make sense’

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Early game scum dom, late game town powerhouse.

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I'm just waiting for the supposed FL/Bingle sparks to fly that I keep hearing about.

what sparks

imo, bingle and i are decently synced up this game

your Kyo case is solid. I may join you, but I think Cakez is also scum. I town read Kyo earlier when I woke up, but could be worth pressuring.

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Having Thom in that list invalidates everything. He's clearly town.

do you have a deeper read on Kyo than you had earlier yet?

Curious on your take on Cakez.

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Flavor I need your help actually. Give me your pro mafia tips and strategies, just general ones

i thought Titus was your guide.

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Flavor I need your help actually. Give me your pro mafia tips and strategies, just general ones

i thought Titus was your guide.

Where did you get that idea?

im trolling you based on end game of our scum game

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I would argue it’s a misplay to not defend yourself either—if you feel like you can hunt well, it’s important that you try to convince us of that so you can actually, y’know, stay around and hunt.

takes me a while to get going. I also feel like ive been hunting fine, i just hit wolf early and now theyre trying to fear-vote me out.

which wolves did you hit early

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Kyo's meta case is interesting. part of me wants to test it. I dont know if a scum Kyo pushes that type of thing.

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i dont know if i believe it's accurate either.

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Naerys' 577 gives me off vibes, but i dont like disagree with anything they're saying, just something about it doesnt feel right.

im probably just paranoid about the Gob wagon right now.

Idk. I have these scum pings on Gob too, but the wagon doesnt feel right.

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Gob, dont claim.

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i dont know if i believe it's accurate either.

About where I am.

But, if gob is town I don’t want to sac gob for an aha, told you it was wrong.

And if he’s scum I don’t wanna catch the axe for it.

im in a spot where I had the gut read on Gob real early, so imma take some credit if he ends up being scum, but i dont know if i think that happens right now, so i think scum are trying to get Gob to claim. I dont necessarily think they want them faded.

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VOTE: Naerys

Roden had this ping earlier, and I wasn't there. I got the ping in 477, and I can't explain why I think that, so maybe some pressure can help my read there.

I generally think that when I line up with a Roden ping pages later, it turns out to be right. We successfully got a strong town read on KittyTacky in a recent game collectively after we were both pushing Kitty prior. And we town read for kinda weak reasonings, but felt it strongly.

I think I'm interested in a Naerys wagon right now. Curious how gamestate evolves with this wrench.

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Naerys hasn't shaded me once this game.

I think that could be scum indicative of them.

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Solid town: Thomith - solves, his analysis feels logical and well thought
Maybe town: Flavor - he is aloof, but observing
Bingle -laid back at the beginning, but later he feels like he is trying to sort people

Null: Gob - unreadable pink fluff filled with pink fluff
Plus bunch of people that need to post more -Hu, SirCakez, Cele

Scumlean: Roden - doesnt do much, just some empty sentences
Kyou: Slightly better than Roden, might replace some lurkers in the null reads tbh, i feel like scum is trying to stay in the shadows at this moment

Updating this: Thom still solid town. Flavor is being flavor and i dont really have reason to suspect him at this moment.
I would love some read list from Bingle- could you please share some, when u are up to it?

Cakez i dont know so he is harder to grasp. I may need more time to get a solid read on this slot. Null for now
Hu Tao - could you write a RL please?

Cele- 505 and 508 are giving me few towny vibes
Gob-isnt being much helpful, so he could be scum, he is just hard to read for me

AWiz- feels town
Roden-shifted towards null
Dunn- idk, suspicious absence
RCE-null
kyou-shoots straight into strong town from post 477 onwards, solid solving

Arguments against gob feel solid.

Possible scum team gob-dunn-rce? if gob is town vca will be interesting

VOTE: gob

The bolded is partnery, and extra explanations. Naerys also has a lot of fluffy questions and requests from players this game.

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Naerys hasn't shaded me once this game.

I think that could be scum indicative of them.

In cook´s game you told me to stop that. So i am trying

damn, i feel you're genuine either way here. something's off. I'm not fully invested in you Scum, but I can feel something's off with the Gob wagon.

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I'm hesitant to turn on Wiz, but if Gob and Naerys are town, they look baaaad

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there's no true support for Gob. The support in Kyo/Wiz turned on Gob, and on a gamestate level, that feels like Gob is in this game alone, and thus town.

Wiz/Kyo is not pure imo, and I think I'm leaning Wiz.

Wiz/Hu Tao

Hu Tao, sorry if you're town, not trying to push you today, something I can't shake with you. At least it'll keep you alive if you are town.

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I'm hesitant to turn on Wiz, but if Gob and Naerys are town, they look baaaad

???? what have i done wrong lol

you guys just say stuff sometimes

I was talking about Wiz looking bad if you and Naerys are town.

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not supposed to be 100% correct Day 1, we have nothing to go off of.

That's why it's so easy for scum to run circles around town early game, and if they dont plan for late game, if one scum go down, it's a domino effect.

@RCE - Maybe we just end the day on Gob and move forward? They've been a key figure in the game, we don't get any more claims, and we can move onto Day 2 fresh from the night.

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yeah, let's do it.

VOTE: Gob

Someone hammer. Cops on Hu Tao.

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Roden, RCE, and Naerys are my top right now. Yes, I've flipped on Naerys again after that interaction.

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Thomith/Hu Tao/Gob is possible.

Thomith/Hu Tao has partner equity.

I've liked Thomith's play, but if Gob or Hu Tao ever flip scum, their ISO looks partnery.

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im gonna slow down. I'm in a rapidly read changing mode because of Kyo/Gob slots and i keep bouncing back and forth on Gob, which changes everything in my reads.

I'm decently happy seeing Kyo as town right now, though.

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Thomith/Hu Tao/Gob is possible.

Thomith/Hu Tao has partner equity.

I've liked Thomith's play, but if Gob or Hu Tao ever flip scum, their ISO looks partnery.

Can you explain why?

it's the way you've defended them and the way Hu Tao has town read you.

It's not the reads or the act of defending itself, it's specifically the how.

You've posted in defense of both Hu Tao and Gob, almost anytime it comes up, and Hu Tao has chosen to town read you on a pedestal. Maybe town Hu Tao genuinely town reads you, maybe scumTao wants to pocket you, but it's felt kind of like a blanket read where neither of you have explained your reasoning for town reading the other.

So something is going on there.

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It is, I’d have to explain the rationale behind it for it to make sense, but then it loses value so.

Is this something you think you'd be able to explain tomorrow if we're both still alive?

you can't outwardly scum read Flavor when Flavor's scum in the early game

We had a town vig act like they were gonna town read me recently when I was scum, and I smelt the shot coming my way despite being town read, and I dunk tunneled it.

Always remember, it doesn't matter if people scum read you...you need 7 people to outwardly be okay with killing you in a 13p game. Don't try to even out all the baskets, put some extra eggs in higher stock defenses.

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Gob I understand how that would look bad on me if they flip scum.

I disagree that I haven't explained my Hu Tao Town Read, I feel like I have - I have a complete different feel from them than the last Micro where they were Scum.
I do understand the Hu Tao randomly putting me on a "Town Pedestal" - I don't understand why you don't mentioned the possibility of Me/Naerys though, since I feel like she has done a similar thing.

that's fair, i might have missed the reasoning/forgot.

I don't really think it's Naerys right now. I had a moment of doubt, but it was immediately comforted with Naerys posting.

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That's fair. As Hu Tao stated, they haven't done much, so I might be defaulting to Hu tao because I'm in a reevaluation state.

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UNVOTE: Gob

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@Mod - i think Wiz voted Gob a couple pages ago.

gob (5): Bingle, Roden, ssbm_kyouko, AnimatedWiz, Naerys


there is scum here somewhere, which kinda sucks, because I town read all 5 of them at times. i just dont see zero scum being on Gob, even if Gob is scum.

Honestly, especially if Gob is scum. If Gob is town, I almost think it's more likely no scum are on him.

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Can we hold to give me a second to reread this all and catch my bearings because this whole push has felt super fucking weird to me.

You have time—it’s E-2, so I doubt anyone will be able to hammer for a few hours even if they wanted to.

This was actually E-1 since you were on the wagon as well, just not on the Vote Count, correct?

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AnimatedWiz (2): Hu Tao, Dunnstral

Something that stands out about this is that I know, and have praised, both Hu Tao and Dunnstral for having exceptionally strong gut reads, but neither of them really ever explain their reads to gain the momentum necessary when town. So it's possible this is on scum.

I might be willing to sheep this with that thought process.

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@Mod - i think Wiz voted Gob a couple pages ago.

gob (5): Bingle, Roden, ssbm_kyouko, AnimatedWiz, Naerys


there is scum here somewhere, which kinda sucks, because I town read all 5 of them at times. i just dont see zero scum being on Gob, even if Gob is scum.

Honestly, especially if Gob is scum.

If Gob is town, I almost think it's more likely no scum are on him.

Interested in the explanation of this, because I feel like I disagree.

Gob Scum partners always bus in this situation if Gob is scum. It's a Sinking Ship, and they will want to be seen on it.

Like I said earlier, Gob has little to no true support, so if Gob is scum, their teammates have accepted they have to be okay with them going down.

If Gob is town, they have a lot of heat on them, and scum don't need to help push the wagon. Earlier I was pushing Gob pretty hard, and the fact that I'm now off the wagon, and they're close to fade, is a tell that scum are okay with the Gob wagon.

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If I were scum in this game, I would let the game sit out, and see if townies jump on Gob before I would join because it's very possible.

I am gaming scum a little bit, because naturally scum want to spread out on Vote Counts, and if Gob flips town, the main suspects become the people on the wagon, so they want to avoid it if they can.

And like I said earlier, if Gob scum, scum have accepted Gob may go down, and will want to gain some distancing cred, so while I don't think both scum would be on it, not impossible, but likely it would be 1.

I don't necessarily think there

isn't

scum on him, I actually believe there is, but just better odds if he is scum that scum is on him.

i personally think 1 scum is on him at least no matter what right now

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Why are we assuming that Scum weren't part of the reason for the heat on gob?

because I was the main heat on him, and I know im town.

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It's very possible scum added coal to the fire, and I would lean Bingle or Cakez from the first wagon, and then Wiz for the 2nd wagon.

bunch of different possibilities, but that's where my heat sensors are picking up. could just be bogeys though

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most scum just do what feels natural on a gamestate level, and that's the natural take.

It's very rare imo scum go against what feels natural, like pairing 3 scum back to back on the same wagon, but that looks a lot better in the long run, and gives you complete day control in certain scenarios. Nobody ever sees that and goes 'oh, they must all be scum' and can get people to actually believe that. Does that make sense?

We are in Day 1, and thus, in a big circular discussion, but I'm trying to just thought spew so people can see where my mind's at.

End of the day, we'll have to make a decision, of course. We're just playing the first layer of this game. Each layer gets more in depth, and we have a better idea of the picture to make better arguments.

Day 1 is a day for theory testing.

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A Gob flip might give us the most information no matter if he flips green or red right now if I think about it due to the last few pages.

this is where I'm at. The fact that they could just be scum has me thinking they are the best elim today.

I do think Bingle looks rough on a Gob town flip, but I also was adding heat, so I can't really blame them. People were dropping coal by my feet, and I saw, and just threw it on the fire.

I do think that Kyo also did this.

I'm also playing with the idea that Roden has me pocketed, however, them coming into this game pushing me immediately was a play.

But the last time I saw that play happen, was a ScumRCE choosing to nonstop push me Day 1 - Roden was a partner. I even turned on Roden, and got in a 1v1 with Roden in that game, before that exchange lead to me super town reading Roden. Roden replaced out, Hu Tao replaced in. I called out 3 of the 4 scum correctly in that game, but Hu Tao/Roden slot was the one that slipped through, as Hu Tao stated in ANOTHER game that was mainly because of Roden's play.

So I am looking my Roden Read over as well, but it's not a thing I'll figure out Day 1.


My final verdict:

we fade Gob or AnimatedWiz today.

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so that's where I'm at.

I think Wiz has more likelihood of flipping scum, I think Gob ends with us finding more scum long term, and lower risk overall.

I'm gonna try and sit back, i've done a lot in this session, and went in a lot of circles, but i think we're in an alright spot this game. I am ready to go to another Day phase, personally.

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A Gob flip might give us the most information no matter if he flips green or red right now if I think about it due to the last few pages.

this is where I'm at. The fact that they could just be scum has me thinking they are the best elim today.

I do think Bingle looks rough on a Gob town flip, but I also was adding heat, so I can't really blame them. People were dropping coal by my feet, and I saw, and just threw it on the fire.

I do think that Kyo also did this.

I'm also playing with the idea that Roden has me pocketed, however, them coming into this game pushing me immediately was a play.

But the last time I saw that play happen, was a ScumRCE choosing to nonstop push me Day 1 - Roden was a partner. I even turned on Roden, and got in a 1v1 with Roden in that game, before that exchange lead to me super town reading Roden. Roden replaced out, Hu Tao replaced in. I called out 3 of the 4 scum correctly in that game, but Hu Tao/Roden slot was the one that slipped through, as Hu Tao stated in ANOTHER game that was mainly because of Roden's play.

So I am looking my Roden Read over as well, but it's not a thing I'll figure out Day 1.


My final verdict:

we fade Gob or AnimatedWiz today.

You're probably mafia here because if you were Town you would hard-defend me here, not the half-defense you're giving me. But thanks anyway. I'm down to vote Animated Wizard

i quick hammered an obv town Whemestar in my last town game page 7. 2/3 of my day 1 scum reads got faded Day 2 and Day 4, and I guiltied the 3rd scum that got faded Day 3.

why do you think id hard defend you, i think your flip ends with scum flips somewhere even if you end up being town

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Then vote for me, or for him, even—you’re currently just preventing the town from making an elimination you actually agree with. I don’t understand this behavior coming from a townie—it makes more sense to come from scum trying to deny the town any more information to help us sort.

What do you mean deny the town anymore information? This post seems contradictory. You want me to vote, but I've actively held out from voting Gob to avoid the hammer, as you even announced earlier. You thanked me for it a little while ago.

i am leaning Gob, as i feel I've made that clear, but we have time.

People can vote wherever they want, I'm simply giving my thoughts on where I ended up.

I am always open to reasonings elsewhere, and if wagons go on someone else, that's fine too.

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Then vote for me, or for him, even—you’re currently just preventing the town from making an elimination you actually agree with. I don’t understand this behavior coming from a townie—it makes more sense to come from scum trying to deny the town any more information to help us sort.

This is for gob, not Flavor.

ah changes things. ignore my last post replying to this

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But thanks anyway. I'm down to vote AnimatedWiz

I feel like if you were actually convinced it was me, you’d actually vote me—I think you’re hesitating because you’re trying to gauge Flavor’s reaction to you saying this before you commit to the vote.

this is a good reasoning.

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VOTE: Gob

If Wiz is scum, they're playing well and genuine. I felt the same thing I felt earlier in this game when I was interacting with them.

I'm glad I took the time to play Devil's Advocate with Gob here.

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i just dont like Gob's direct OMGUS scum reads. It's just going after people who were voting him.

Cakez also looks super political with their reads.

If Wiz is town, then one of Hu Tao or Dunnstral is scum almost always here.

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im not very deep wolf if i were scum here, id be more open wolfing.

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i relooked over Thomith, and I dont think that them and Gob are Scum/Scum ever. I think I'm happy bringing Thomith back up to top townsville.

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If I was vig tonight I would consider FL. Depending on how today goes.

Not that I am or anything.

im a fine vig tbh.

Then my reads get confirmed to be coming from town.

I have already claimed Vanilla, so it's a much safer shot than accidentally hitting a PR.

Cop on Hu Tao, though.

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i relooked over Thomith, and I dont think that them and Gob are Scum/Scum ever. I think I'm happy bringing Thomith back up to top townsville.

Thom was never scummy

I guess you would know.

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If I die, don't let Hu Tao set up a fake vig claim if there's only 1 death.

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Hu Tao pseudo TMI'ing Gob and Thomith both town.

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Bingle/Hu Tao is a big possibility.

I do think a Vig on me is probably a decent shot, though.

I've given a lot of reads, and if you can see them from the lens of my slot being flipped, i do think it gives a lot of information.

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Hu Tao and I will town read each other as the game goes on if she’s town anyways.

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@Roden/Bingle - thoughts on sheeping Hu Tao onto Wiz today?

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UNVOTE: Gob

Day got juicier.

Hu Tao TMI’ing Gob possibility tips the scale to where I think Gob is more likely to flip town than scum, whereas before the chance was more likely scum than town, which is always a good roll on Day 1.

Gob got White Knighted.

Fun thing about this is both Gob and Wiz were my candidates. It’s possible they are both town.

I don’t think I was hiding it very well, but I think Hu Tao is pretty obv scum here.

Not necessarily caring about their fade today because I think it’s just infinitely hard to fade someone like Hu Tao Scum on a Day 1, also in ways it’s not worth it sometimes.

But by their own admission, they were trying to ‘do nothing’ to get town read. This means they are actively trying to position themselves in a specific way in the game.

On top of this, when I stated they had done things already, they were salty because they thought they had ‘literally done nothing’. That reeks of scum being upset they got caught for wrong reasons.

Now the advocate for Vig on FL after I advocated for Cop on Hu Tao.

I would say bar a couple players, I am generally a solid town read player for most players. The difference is, I’m wanting Hu Tao checked, which if they are town, is very beneficial in the long run, especially towards someone who has been actively trying to become town read.

By their own admission, they’ve been ‘doing nothing’ on purpose to get town read, and that’s like the perfect investigative action onto a slot that’s in the background like that, and especially on a sneaky scum like her.

She advocates for a Vig on me, taking me out of the game.

That is a direct Threat Challenging of me. I want to town read Hu Tao if she’s town.

She wants me to die.

She doesn’t have to worry about reading me here.

It also helps guide a Vig off of scum team and onto a claimed Vanilla Townie.

If I am the only death, and ANYONE claims Vig, Hu Tao is scum here.

None of that maybe Vig targeted same player, maybe someone protected.

I have coasted so many games from a Vig claim, partner Vig claim, that I know how to set things up like that.

That is a potential crumb setup by Hu Tao in case they get Gunsmith guiltied they have that to fall back on.

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My theory on Hu Tao/Thomith is Hu Tao is aware of Thomith history, and played accordingly, and is working that pocket.


And in the off chance Hu Tao is town, it keeps us both alive for scum to want us to keep pushing at each other as the game goes on.

Just would be a matter of if scum want the devil they know or the devil they don’t know.

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Also, if anyone would like to check my Vanilla meta

viewtopic.php?p=13914794#p13914794

Check this game. I was Vanilla, night killed Night 2 in a Large Normal, and ended up highest poster still.

Also, hilarious with that link, I had also been pushing for investigative to be on Hu Tao.

Meaning the fact Hu Tao has already seen me play exactly like this as town is another mark for her being scum.

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And let me say, it’s not one of these that make Hu Tao scum, it is the collection of these together.

Individually, some of these could be townie even, but together, Hu Tao is a scum slot.

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Celebloki
Thomith
Naerys

RCEnigma
Roden
Gob
AnimatedWiz

ssbm_kyouko
Dunnstral
Bingle
SirCakez

Hu Tao

Bout where I'm at. I think there's probably 1 scum in my top 2 tiers, and then 2 scum in my bottom 3. This is more doing pools rather than a tier list, like for instance, I can make a Bingle/Kyouko town case, but I am paranoid of Bingle. Like I have a hard time seeing Kyouko make that case on Gob as scum, however, the Kyouko/Hu Tao on AnimatedWiz earlier is hard to not see it as potential partner, however, this goes in Hu Tao favor if scum Tao/kyouko town.

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Green are my solid town reads, blue are my town reads by tone, but i could be slipping up/pocketed, pink is my null/paranoia town read slots, orange is a scum read.

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Sorry bout the overposting, I am just super in investigative mode and my mind is going back and forth a mile a minute. This is the juicy stuff I love.

Also, Bingle, I need you in here more. If you're town, ya gotta reel me in because I will bounce off the walls too fast.

If I was a Mario Kart, my stats would be high speed and acceleration, low handling, and generally, ill be near the front still, if not the front, but then we get to Rainbow Road Wii, and ill be falling off the rails.

RCEnigma and Bingle gotta Slingshot me, tether me, and swing me back on, and ill help use that momentum to send y'all flying if i can when i can.


I feel REALLY good overall about RCEnigma/Bingle/Roden/Flavor core, but I'm paranoid af since haven't talked to y'all in my newest flip flop.

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Let’s do it

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I win basically every town game I martyr myself

[Flavor Leaf]

I will flip green

I already tried to do this earlier

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Hu Tao pseudo TMI'ing Gob and Thomith both town.

That is actually what you did with your read on me into voting me but okay.

If you think that, you probably should go a bit deeper.

I spent pages on end going back and forth on your slot

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Actually let's go here VOTE: Cakez

I'll give FL a day.

Nty.

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Actually let's go here VOTE: Cakez

I'll give FL a day.

Chickening out cuz you get caught after I flip green

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You’re faking the bait to, and I’m calling your bluff.

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Too

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

This is basically open wolfing which as I said before is deep-wolfing on this site. The borderline TMI with their read on me into slandering notorious LHF Hu Tao because after I died, the spotlight would've shine bright on Flavor.

Hu Tao is not LHF lol

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Yes you caught me

Wouldn’t be the first time, not surprised

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@Roden/Bingle - thoughts on sheeping Hu Tao onto Wiz today?

I'd rather vote Hu Tao or Gob, it feels like they're trying to muddle up the game and discredit active voices.

Yeah, both of them also take everything I do on a face value thing even though I do tons of things specifically to see other people’s reactions.

I have a hard time seeing them as T/T

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Gob, you act like i care if i have to go through town you today

I have hammered conf town as town to win games before

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Actually let's go here VOTE: Cakez

I'll give FL a day.

This makes me think you and FL are partners, actually. Cakez is good and has lots of heat against him, but he hasn't done enough. Flavor is pretty blatantly scummy and this bluff right now isn't convincing me otherwise.

Problem is, I've seen FL act like this as town before. So he could be town here. And I don't think you're scum here either.

I was mafia and Flavor was traitor and this type of stuff was exactly what they did. Huge posts calling out people and basically crafting an entire narrative. In that game I encouraged it.

You realize my scum game i craft to mimic a town game, right?

I actively fuck with my scum meta constantly to get people to think they know how to meta me, and then they get screwed over.

[Flavor Leaf]

See what I mean? Once I started talking, people started scumreading me. I've learned the new meta.

I clearly scum read you before, though

But you chose war!

But I’m also not pushing to fade you here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, as scum, why would i want you here today?

I’m get claims as scum. I told you not to claim.


It’s kinda rough, though, cuz i advocate for mass claims early as town too.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gob, you act like i care if i have to go through town you today

I have hammered conf town as town to win games before

I don't care about your accomplishments in the small leagues. I have been in games where the skill is so high you wouldn't even be able to follow along with the surface level let alone the under-level.

But i really dont care about your justifications. I am town and limming me is a bad play. All the stuff about associations is made up crap. Everyone always says that but the amount of people who go back and actually use the associations from day 1 is.... like 0.1%.

I can play in all leagues at the top level, lol, any site, and in person.

[Flavor Leaf]

See what I mean? Once I started talking, people started scumreading me. I've learned the new meta.

I clearly scum read you before, though

But you chose war!

But I’m also not pushing to fade you here.

I'm not either. Why don't you want cakes?

I could go Cakez, but i can’t say i think they’re always scum here. They could be, though, but his reads were so basic that I don’t think it’s impossible coming from spiteful town Cakez

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, as scum, why would i want you here today?

I’m get claims as scum. I told you not to claim.


It’s kinda rough, though, cuz i advocate for mass claims early as town too.

hopefully later on in the game we wont have to hear about your amazing meta and accomplishments that nobody cares about.

I care about it.

And that’s what matters the most.

It’s also how i help present an arrogant confident tone.

[Flavor Leaf]

And it’s almost always prompted in response to shade.

Don’t wanna hear it, don’t try and shade.

You won’t win a shade battle with me. I enjoy a 1v1.

Keep it mafia in-game related, of course.

Personal is just poor mafia skills

[Flavor Leaf]

You could never hang with the people I play with.

I bet you I could.

You act like this is the only style I can play

Bruh, I’m a charismatic chameleon to the max, and got the gift of gab, and a trained actor.

I’m also much more likable in person than by text

It also depends what type of mafia we playing.

We playing hardcore try hard, casual funsies, actor group, how we doin

[Flavor Leaf]

We can just fight over the course of the game unless one of us dies here. No sense in clogging up the thread. You may be good or bad, idk. From what I've seen you're not that great but whatever. Not everyone top tier.

Someone’s envious ;P im also in my don’t give a fuck era on site

You ain’t the first, you ain’t the last to think that

[Flavor Leaf]

You’re almost on Not Mafia’s level, though

One day you’ll get there.

(I like Not Mafia, fwiw)

[Flavor Leaf]

I still kinda think Gob might lean town.

They seem to be eliciting too much envy to be scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Thing about it, Gobby, you talk like that, I enjoy talking to hear myself talk, you seem to get lower energy off this and time wastey, and I get dopamine hits and enjoyable.

Took years and years, but I’m pretty natural in my confidence, especially the past 4 or 5 years, both Mafia, and in real life.

Gobs like you come and go, but Flavor is Forever.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, if yall want some more self meta, the more I talk about myself, the more likely it is I am town because I’m in general thought spew

Scum I have to back off that stuff because it’s not as likable.

[Flavor Leaf]

Y’all see why i like quick Day 1’s

[Flavor Leaf]

I can't fight with you with my full powers cause I would get banned.

You don’t know how to fight with full powers without getting banned?

[Flavor Leaf]

Come on, gimme the one two. I’m working you hard right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think you know how to do it without crossing the personal line

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean, get it in argument with me it’s like talking to a brick wall, i think we all lose except me.

And i don’t think that’s something people should wanna win.

I’m also at a work party taking advantage of the food and drinks, so got a nice buzz going on while waiting until it’s acceptable to go home

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, i don’t generally like DnD or games like that, but anyone on that Baldur’s Gate 3 hype? Pretty great. Dr Easy Bake, Emperor flippynips and I doing a weekly session with another of our buddies.


I think the main reason I was never a fan of DnD is not liking dice normally. Might be a lack of control thing i think