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"Mafia is multitasking by default."
What does this mean?
Also hiWhen there's trouble, you call DW.
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Hu Tao's post sounds like the kind of thing a townie would say tbfIn post 39, Gypyx wrote:
VOTE: Hu TaoIn post 23, Hu Tao wrote:
Thank you. I will blindly trust this and say you're town too!In post 14, FuDuzn wrote:
I like your entrance the best.In post 11, Hu Tao wrote: Hi.
You are town.
kinda wanna say this comes from scum? Like, there's a bit of a "oh god i gotta appear towny" in those words imho
"blindly" also sounds hyperaware of the lack of info a townie would normally haveWhen there's trouble, you call DW.
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That's a possibility. I don't remember a lot of the early games I played so I can't say.In post 143, FuDuzn wrote: Looking through everyone else now, I kinda feel like I recognize Delta, did we ever play back in the day?
And I forgot they were even in this game, two whole posts not really adding anything. Hopefully they get this notification and post more
Today was very busy at work. Tomorrow will also likely be pretty busy so it may be until Friday night for me to catch up on everything. I have some town reads and some scum reads but I want to catch up on everything before I share.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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I'm still not caught up yet and I'm fairly burnt out from work today but if I'm reading that last post by lucca correctly I don't think it's null. I don't really like going from "here's my RVS vote!" to "ohhh to be fair I was too hasty now that I read the game." It's an RVS vote, it doesn't have to make sense. Why backpedal on it so quickly.In post 145, FuDuzn wrote:In post 71, lucca261 wrote: fuck, missed on RVS
I'll just pretend nothing of note happened and VOTE: UpwardsIn post 76, lucca261 wrote:
pretending it's still RVS is more fun though and even the mod's using an avatar that takes me back to 2017 (I think) shitpostingIn post 74, Gypyx wrote:
How about you don't pretend it's still RVS and come play the game with us my friendIn post 71, lucca261 wrote: fuck, missed on RVS
I'll just pretend nothing of note happened and VOTE: Upwards
Whole lotta null here, if anything would like to hear why I am 'towny enough'In post 78, lucca261 wrote: to be fair, I read the game again and jumped at nothing
at most I think FD looks towny enoughWhen there's trouble, you call DW.
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It sounds to me like lucca got some backlash from gypyx for what was legitimately an odd post #71 and then immediately backpedaled it. If it's really an RVS vote then who cares. That's what the R means. Then lucca pegged you as town in #78. You get more friends by calling people town, especially early on. If you put this sequence of events together, the problem is evident.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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That's part of the reason why I don't like it when people try to form early town blocks. Psychologically, if you're town and someone else calls you town, you are more likely to also see that person as town. They aren't being threatening toward you and you often assume that they must be town as well, otherwise they'd be trying to ME you. But scum do have plenty of reasons to buddy up and in fact, it's a key tactic in the day. That's not to say that everyone who does this is scum, but it's a concern when buddying is the only thing someone really *has* done.
Anyway I'll be hitting this thread up again tomorrow, when it's not almost midnight and I'm fried
Edit: You replied after I wrote this post but before I hit submit. Lucca's most likely going to be in my scum pool but there's many pages for me to catch up on.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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So here are my initial thoughts after reading ISOs.
Gypxy- I don't have any strong feelings. Nothing really jumped out at me. I'd say probably leaning toward town for now but I don't see a lot of scum motivation here.
FuDunz- I look at the ISO and I see solid D1 play. Overall town leaning. Reasonable.
GammaEmerald- She's in my scum pool. I really did not like the town block formation attempt on post #44. Her most recent vote change from Margot to Clap seems thin. The clap vote seems to be motivated by the fact that clap threw some shade on her. GE sheeped onto the Margot wagon and then hopped off when others hopped off. Talking about her own town/scum meta as if that will convince anyone seems self-preservationist and kind of manipulative. When you add all this up, it looks like someone who is more interested in influencing others around her instead of scumhunting. It's not very townie behavior.
Claptastic- Clap has been making some good points so I'm likely to say null or town lean. Clap seemed to have some of the same problems that I have with GE.
Hu Tao- I really think that first post had some townie banter/enthusiasm but I also don't like the stated intention to quickhammer. Ending the day early does not benefit town, especially on day one, and especially when the game was only like... what, 24-48 hours old at that point? So why are we talking about quickhammering anybody? We're also in a position where at least four players haven't contributed anything at all of substance, and ending the day before they can provide information isn't in the town's interest at all. That being said, I'm willing to hear Hu Tao out on the quickhammer comment. I was putting Hu in the neutral pool but as I was typing this post I started to dislike the quickhammer thing more and more. Especially when I realized how little information we have from some people.
Alianna- I didn't see anything very substantive about reads. I'd like to hear more about why Alianna has the reads they do. Null for now.
Lucca- I already explained why lucca is in my scumpool and the ISO didn't really change that. In fact, I find it concerning that Lucca is potentially misrepping Upwards in Post 176. "Not to play armchair psychologist, but I think a guy who read a 100-person game on this website (and probably read several wallposts on the way) would feel a little more paranoid on his first post." Upwards didn't say that he read a 100 person game, just that he heard about it. So it's a bit unfair to assume (possibly wrongly) that he actually read it. It seemed like a really thin excuse to go after someone who (if town) is a good ME target. This is the strongest scumread that Lucca has had thus far, and he walked it back later. There are so many more interesting things to talk about in this game other than some mafia game that inspired Upwards to join. It's just odd.
Laplacian- Not a lot to go on here but he did say he was busy with RL stuff. I am mystified that he expected me to respond to his RVS vote when the only reasoning is that he didn't like neuroscience. Therefore, my response is "you have my condolences." I'd like to see more from lap before I put him into a pool.
Upwards- I mean no offense when I say that upwards is clearly a new player. I'd like to hear more reasoning and less talking about how they're new. So, null for now.
Zebedee- Same as above. I'm cognizant that they're traveling for work. Null like Upwards.
Margot- Low post count + reads based purely on vibes gives me little to work with. Going into the null pool with Lap, Upwards, and Zebedee.
Naerys- Even less content than Margot. Again, null.
Basically for scum I'm looking at Lucca or GE right now. Obviously there are a bunch of people who haven't really contributed much and so there's definitely going to be some scum in there.
VOTE: LuccaWhen there's trouble, you call DW.
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omgus is not a scumhunting methodologyWhen there's trouble, you call DW.
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"Calling me scummy for the scummy thing I did is an easy thing to do" Yes there is a reason as to why that's so easyIn post 301, Gamma Emerald wrote:
this is surface level analysisIn post 273, Upwards wrote: Okay here we go.
I find Gamma suspicious for the townblock on day 1 when that’s a time where there’s really little basis for such a thing.
On the flipside I like Claptastic, Deltawave and Laplacian for calling it out.
I’m really mixed on Gypyx. She’s very active which is probably a good sign, but then again I don’t like my exchange with her. In #92 she feels the need to state that I shouldn’t blindly trust her, which is obvious enough that it irritated even me as a beginner. What follows is this strange discussion only to end it somewhat condescendingly in #206. Not a fan.
Regardless of my alignment I think calling my townblock out is an easy thing to do as scum. This seems less like a real thought process and more like reflexively giving townpoints to player who’ve criticized me.
EBWOP Clap stole my zingerWhen there's trouble, you call DW.
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We have a whole week left for the day. Going into night when we have like, four or five people who haven't really contributed is not pro-town.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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There is so much bad reasoning behind this post that I don't even know where to start. Is it because I just made a post outlining my reads on everybody, thus making it impossible to say I'm not contributing? Is it because Hu Tao themselves have made multiple no-content posts so this is a pretty hypocritical thing to say? Is it because I actually did have a point by saying I didn't want D1 to end within the first couple of days? (Town benefits from day, scum benefits from night, it's a fact - and we have basically no information from multiple players, one of which is being replaced.) Is it because Hu Tao did nothing to rebut my arguments except for finding the thinnest of reasons to vote for me? Is it because it's plainly OMGUS? If you said "all of the above", you'd be right!In post 348, Hu Tao wrote:
This looks like a post that scum does to contribute to the conversation without actually saying anything.In post 332, DeltaWave wrote: We have a whole week left for the day. Going into night when we have like, four or five people who haven't really contributed is not pro-town.
VOTE: Delta
Hu is really near the top of my sussy impostor list.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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I consider it a badge of honor that the best defense you can muster to this is that it's a "little bland."In post 360, lucca261 wrote:
In regards to the Delta catch-up (not quoting because it's is a big post and you know it would be kinda hard on the eyes):
Not in love with it. Delta back to null. My issue is the easy content. It's all good technical play, but... a little bland?
This is maybe the first time I've ever seen someone say that scumreading anti-town activity is scummy. I guess I should be reading pro-town activity as scummy instead!Her scumreads are Gamma because of the Townblock, Hu Tao for the quickhammer comment and me for supposedly misrepping Upwards.
All fine. But to quote Delta herself: "There are so many more interesting things to talk about in this game."
Seems exactly what an experienced scum player would post on a catch-up to appear towny. Good technical play, scumreading stuff that is kinda anti-town sometimes, stuff that's easy to agree.
What is this about? I don't understand.One thing I like is the small mistake (that Upwards corrected on @2..) about my exchange with Up. Feel like Scum!Delta wouldn't make a easily correctable argument.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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You actually have a point insofar as I missed Post 299. As to the other thing, my point wasn't that you retracted it but that you walked away from it somewhat.
I'm going to do some re-reading in case I missed anything else. I might re-evaluate.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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Well it's clear that I missed some things when I was reading ISOs so I need to go back and read it again. I'm not above admitting when I made a mistake.In post 379, Claptastik wrote:
It's not just missing 299. He said he read the whole thing in his initial post. 299 was just confirmation of that.In post 377, DeltaWave wrote: You actually have a point insofar as I missed Post 299. As to the other thing, my point wasn't that you retracted it but that you walked away from it somewhat.
I'm going to do some re-reading in case I missed anything else. I might re-evaluate.
You seem to be just skimming for talking points rather than actually reading for content.
As for Hu: I don't really care what other people read you as, I am going to make my own decisions.
UNVOTE: Lucca for nowWhen there's trouble, you call DW.
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The post above was Zebedee talking about the same topic.In post 383, Claptastik wrote:
Where did this even come from?In post 332, DeltaWave wrote: We have a whole week left for the day. Going into night when we have like, four or five people who haven't really contributed is not pro-town.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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I'm not sure what you're doing here. It sounds like you're trying to come up with a case even though there's no basis to it. Let's recap:In post 446, Claptastik wrote:
Yabut Zeb is a newb and it's understandable he incorrectly thought it was E-1. Why didn't you see the mistake and correct him? Again, you don't seem to be actually reading the thread.In post 390, DeltaWave wrote: The post above was Zebedee talking about the same topic.
Post 329:You, as in youClaptastik, asked Hu Tao if his E-1 quickhammer promise was serious.
Post 330: Zebedee says that he's been busy and will post today.
Post 331: A couple minutes later, Zebedee says "E-1, that's like gonna lim soon? Why so quick? Anyway have to shoot the roundabout needs fixing and Gertrude needs her hay."
I thought Zebedee was referring to the post thatyou made right before he did.
My reply in 332 was basically saying "yes, talking about going to E-1 when we're only a couple RL days into D1 is too quick."
The fact that you prompted this line of conversation and then came out with "ohh where did THAT come from Delta????" it came from YOU. You don't get to start a line of conversation and then act surprised when I get involved in it.
FYI, I've been busy with work this past week (and I'm actually working today) and so yeah, I missed the Upwards thing. So what.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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That's fine. Overall my town read on you still stands because of everything else. But this goes to show that sometimes you can just misread a thread- which is how this whole line of conversation started, with my mistake on Lucca's post.In post 453, Claptastik wrote: OK, I misunderstood the reference.
VOTE: Gamma, but I would unvote if Gamma got to E-1. I still want to get more information out of Alianna's replacement and to get some more activity in general going from people who are lower in the post counts. I'd also like Zeb to explain his vote, which seemed to come out of nowhere, and which made me think some things that I'll share after he explains.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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How often do I get mentioned in the mafia PT?In post 460, Hu Tao wrote:In post 455, DeltaWave wrote:
That's fine. Overall my town read on you still stands because of everything else. But this goes to show that sometimes you can just misread a thread- which is how this whole line of conversation started, with my mistake on Lucca's post.In post 453, Claptastik wrote: OK, I misunderstood the reference.
VOTE: Gamma,but I would unvote if Gamma got to E-1. I still want to get more information out of Alianna's replacement and to get some more activity in general going from people who are lower in the post counts. I'd also like Zeb to explain his vote, which seemed to come out of nowhere, and which made me think some things that I'll share after he explains.
Let's vote out delta pleaseWhen there's trouble, you call DW.
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I'm interested to know what's your read on me and why.In post 477, Gamma Emerald wrote:
You tell meIn post 471, DeltaWave wrote:
How often do I get mentioned in the mafia PT?In post 460, Hu Tao wrote:In post 455, DeltaWave wrote:
That's fine. Overall my town read on you still stands because of everything else. But this goes to show that sometimes you can just misread a thread- which is how this whole line of conversation started, with my mistake on Lucca's post.In post 453, Claptastik wrote: OK, I misunderstood the reference.
VOTE: Gamma,but I would unvote if Gamma got to E-1. I still want to get more information out of Alianna's replacement and to get some more activity in general going from people who are lower in the post counts. I'd also like Zeb to explain his vote, which seemed to come out of nowhere, and which made me think some things that I'll share after he explains.
Let's vote out delta pleaseWhen there's trouble, you call DW.
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Are you willing to explain your vote?In post 497, Hu Tao wrote: Gamma are you willing to vote delta?When there's trouble, you call DW.
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It's kind of interesting that the two votes on me are from Zebedee (who didn't explain his vote) and Hu Tao (who had a really thin one-line comment about how my shade about their E-1 quickhammer comment was not contributing - this is their only reasoning for their scumread on me given in the entire game.) I don't know if two votes are really considered a "wagon" but it's conspicuous that this is the least-reasoned wagon outside of the RVS stage. It's a good thing to take note of for connections later.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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Why is Gamma "leaning sus?"In post 357, Hu Tao wrote: Upwards - towny
Naerys - towny
Claptastik - towny
lucca261 -??
FuDuzn - town
Gamma Emerald - leaning sus
Laplacian - towny
Zebedee - ???
Gypyx - Leaning slightly towny
MargotRosa - scummy
DeltaWave - scummy
Alianna - ????
This is where I am right now. I usually don't have this many reads to start so something could be wrong.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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Why particularly do you find that susIn post 577, Hu Tao wrote:
I explained but because she tried to join and make a town block with meIn post 574, DeltaWave wrote:
Why is Gamma "leaning sus?"In post 357, Hu Tao wrote: Upwards - towny
Naerys - towny
Claptastik - towny
lucca261 -??
FuDuzn - town
Gamma Emerald - leaning sus
Laplacian - towny
Zebedee - ???
Gypyx - Leaning slightly towny
MargotRosa - scummy
DeltaWave - scummy
Alianna - ????
This is where I am right now. I usually don't have this many reads to start so something could be wrong.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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Where I'm going with this is that you apparently scumread me because you thought that a post of mine was just filler or something like that. (It wasn't filler, but that's beside the point for right now.)In post 583, Hu Tao wrote:
Why wouldn't joining an existing town core when not asked sus?In post 581, DeltaWave wrote:
Why particularly do you find that susIn post 577, Hu Tao wrote:
I explained but because she tried to join and make a town block with meIn post 574, DeltaWave wrote:
Why is Gamma "leaning sus?"In post 357, Hu Tao wrote: Upwards - towny
Naerys - towny
Claptastik - towny
lucca261 -??
FuDuzn - town
Gamma Emerald - leaning sus
Laplacian - towny
Zebedee - ???
Gypyx - Leaning slightly towny
MargotRosa - scummy
DeltaWave - scummy
Alianna - ????
This is where I am right now. I usually don't have this many reads to start so something could be wrong.
For now, let's also put aside the fact that there are many filler posts in this game, including zero-content post like "page top" posts.
How is Gamma's town block shenaniganslessscummy than a post that you thought was just filler? Your logic isn't logicing.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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Is this the kind of thing where you know Lap is town, Lap gets eliminated, and then you try to gain townpoints as a result?In post 605, Hu Tao wrote:
So am I scum then if I'm lying?In post 603, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Now I know you’re capping. There is zero reason you should be townreading that ISOIn post 602, Hu Tao wrote: No. Lap is town 100%When there's trouble, you call DW.
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Newbies have the same chance of being scum as everyone else. Unless the town no-elims, which is really rare on D1, someone has to go. There's no particular reason why newbies should have any additional protection. Just try to have fun with it.In post 612, Laplacian wrote: Getting nuked day 1 as a newbie sucks and it's a good way to have people not stick around and play more. If you're above that, cool, more power to you, but I generally make it a policy to not vote them day 1 without egregious circumstances.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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From what I can tell, Lap's big sin is that he gave a low-effort read list and then OMGUS'ed Lucca. Is that the case against him?When there's trouble, you call DW.
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Realistically nobody is going to do that. A scummy newbie could use that argument for their own benefit. People are going to scumhunt regardless of how long you've been playing.In post 624, Laplacian wrote:
The also have the same chance of being town as everyone else. I'll crunch numbers later, but I'm pretty sure ignoring a newbie for day 1 votes cancels out the oddsIn post 619, DeltaWave wrote:
Newbies have the same chance of being scum as everyone else. Unless the town no-elims, which is really rare on D1, someone has to go. There's no particular reason why newbies should have any additional protection. Just try to have fun with it.In post 612, Laplacian wrote: Getting nuked day 1 as a newbie sucks and it's a good way to have people not stick around and play more. If you're above that, cool, more power to you, but I generally make it a policy to not vote them day 1 without egregious circumstances.
That being said, the circumstances around this wagon plus what I pointed out in 617 is leaning me toward Lap!Neutral or Lap!Town.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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If you aren't scum then why are you scummyIn post 631, Gamma Emerald wrote: So apparently any time I try to do anything I’m the devil. GOT IT.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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You gonna try forming another townblock any time soon?When there's trouble, you call DW.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you're voting for Lap because you think he's scum, not as a pressure vote. The reasoning you gave sounds like it would be for a pressure vote.In post 627, Gamma Emerald wrote:
My big issue is he promised good content and gave 3 mediocre posts in the promised hour (this timeframe us metaphorical)In post 620, DeltaWave wrote: From what I can tell, Lap's big sin is that he gave a low-effort read list and then OMGUS'ed Lucca. Is that the case against him?When there's trouble, you call DW.
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In post 641, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Well it’s not. Lap had his shot and blew it.In post 638, DeltaWave wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you're voting for Lap because you think he's scum, not as a pressure vote. The reasoning you gave sounds like it would be for a pressure vote.In post 627, Gamma Emerald wrote:
My big issue is he promised good content and gave 3 mediocre posts in the promised hour (this timeframe us metaphorical)In post 620, DeltaWave wrote: From what I can tell, Lap's big sin is that he gave a low-effort read list and then OMGUS'ed Lucca. Is that the case against him?A story in 2 acts
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GE, it really feels like you hop around where the winds take you. You went from affirming your vote as a vote for scum and then unvoting 3 minutes later.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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"Am I scum if I'm lying" sounds like you're confidently asserting town status based on an anticipated flip. The inverse of "I'm scum if I'm lying" is "I'm town if I'm telling the truth."In post 658, Hu Tao wrote:
The posturing of this post is sus. But he only has 3 votes, why would this be the first thing you think of?In post 617, DeltaWave wrote:
Is this the kind of thing where you know Lap is town, Lap gets eliminated, and then you try to gain townpoints as a result?In post 605, Hu Tao wrote:
So am I scum then if I'm lying?In post 603, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Now I know you’re capping. There is zero reason you should be townreading that ISOIn post 602, Hu Tao wrote: No. Lap is town 100%When there's trouble, you call DW.
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You mean lying about your read on Lap?When there's trouble, you call DW.
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Alright fair enough. I guess it your reply can be read two different ways.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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I think Gamma is at E-2 but I haven't countedWhen there's trouble, you call DW.
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Yep, Lap's vote put GE at E-1.
I have not forgotten that two days ago, Zebedee voted for me without explanation and has not followed up on that in any way.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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GE is my biggest scumread right now so I'm not sure why I would do that.In post 679, MargotRosa wrote: You can still save GE Delta. PlsWhen there's trouble, you call DW.
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I want to see a commuter fakeclaim. I don't think I've seen one of those before.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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In case you haven't noticed, those were hundreds of posts ago. I'm not going to dissipate the pressure by backing off. The only person who expressed an intention to quickhammer is Hu, and Hu changed their mind. Why do you want to defend GE so badly?In post 685, MargotRosa wrote:
I don't understand this at all.In post 680, DeltaWave wrote:
GE is my biggest scumread right now so I'm not sure why I would do that.In post 679, MargotRosa wrote: You can still save GE Delta. Pls
264 says scum read is bc of the town block, which is played out and soundly discounted as legitimate basis for a scum read at this point surely. 332 suggests you don't want early elim, yet here we are.
Also, holding you to your word 455. Unvote at e-1.....When there's trouble, you call DW.
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The main problem here is that you are completely and totally wrong.In post 692, MargotRosa wrote: Because, as I have pointed out repeatedly, and I think should be pretty cl;ear to any reasonable player in this game, this is a rushed, flimsy and weak wagon that appears way more opportunistic than GE appears scummy.
If the wagon looks significantly worse than the player being chased by it, and I've town read Gamma for pages now, I'd say it's very fair to say that the wagon is shit, and anyone pushing it towards e-0 looks worseWhen there's trouble, you call DW.
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Yes. we will find out that you are completely and totally wrong.In post 703, MargotRosa wrote:
I guess we'll all get to find out won't weIn post 695, DeltaWave wrote:
The main problem here is that you are completely and totally wrong.In post 692, MargotRosa wrote: Because, as I have pointed out repeatedly, and I think should be pretty cl;ear to any reasonable player in this game, this is a rushed, flimsy and weak wagon that appears way more opportunistic than GE appears scummy.
If the wagon looks significantly worse than the player being chased by it, and I've town read Gamma for pages now, I'd say it's very fair to say that the wagon is shit, and anyone pushing it towards e-0 looks worseWhen there's trouble, you call DW.
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This is the funniest post I've ever seen in a mafia gameIn post 707, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 349, Hu Tao wrote:
Didn't you say I was town already? And gamma is one of my favorites to play with.In post 337, Naerys wrote:In post 166, Hu Tao wrote: Unfortunately (or fortunately?) I'm having more town reads than scumreads at this point
The dynamics of 2 of you feel different.Are you town?In post 167, Gamma Emerald wrote: Um yeah that’s normal, there’s more town than scum, at least there should be in a well-balanced gameWhen there's trouble, you call DW.
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I am annoyed by the self-hammer because I wanted Alinna's replacement to participate before the day was over. The only person who expressed an intention to quickhammer was Hu and he backed off that. I didn't expect GE to do it herself.In post 729, MargotRosa wrote:
Means it had control over when hammer happened, so she could give honest and open reads before the day ended I'd guessIn post 726, Claptastik wrote: If you're town, how did the self vote play to win condition?When there's trouble, you call DW.
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Did YOU expect GE to self-hammer? Oh come on.In post 733, MargotRosa wrote:
If you wanted this, why didn't you unvote?In post 732, DeltaWave wrote:
I am annoyed by the self-hammer because I wanted Alinna's replacement to participate before the day was over. The only person who expressed an intention to quickhammer was Hu and he backed off that. I didn't expect GE to do it herself.In post 729, MargotRosa wrote:
Means it had control over when hammer happened, so she could give honest and open reads before the day ended I'd guessIn post 726, Claptastik wrote: If you're town, how did the self vote play to win condition?
I typed this out in all caps, then thought better of it. But just so you know, it can and should be read as if it was in all caps.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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In post 737, MargotRosa wrote: I think you should have expected someone to hammerWhen there's trouble, you call DW.
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My initial take is that Margot was defending GE so hard b/c when GE flipped, she could say "ooo look how townie I am, I was trying to prevent a miselim." Anyway I'm going to read the thread when I'm done with work.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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AccurateIn post 811, Hu Tao wrote:
Lap is town.In post 770, lucca261 wrote: the issue is that I need to re-read but with the flip I think I have a bigger scumread than LapWhen there's trouble, you call DW.
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I opened up the Activity Overview and sorted by post count, starting with the highest post count. Then I went through each ISO individually and wrote my summary of each one. It's not sorted by town -> scum or any other meansIn post 870, Mucho Man Randy Passion wrote: It is notable that this post is more likely to be written from memory because it is not organized in any particular way except that the slots with the least detail are last because DW could not remember them. For example this is not ordered from town to scum with explanations added in after the sorting is done. This is not copy and pasted from the playerlist order.
I haven't finished reading the whole post yet - I don't really like that the Gamma read subtly downplays the Margot wagon, but I am absolutely CONFIRMATION BIASED and FOCUSED on anything pertaining to Margot as I'm reading.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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Oh sure. Is it because I shaded your predecessor before the day was over? In case anyone forgot, Zebedee sat out the whole Gamma/Margot competing wagons by parking his vote on me with zero explanation given and after only mentioning me a grand total of twice in the entire game at that point. (Once to say that I didn't produce content until I was "shoved", which isn't true, and then to make claim that Clap was scum with me for some reason.)In post 881, Prince of Paterson wrote: I didn't like Delta's readlist in 264, and 370 didn't feel like the town variety of defensiveness.
Or in other words,it sounds like Zebedee was trying to find a reason to sit on the sidelines of the whole controversy. Didn't want to be on the Gamma wagon and didn't want to bus Margot at the same time.
Still need to fully catch up because I'm between meetings but this seems pretty good for now. Definitely not voting Clap/Macho Man today. I thought Hu was scum at first but I'm warming up to Hu!Town.
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It's conspicuous that Zebedee had quite a bit to criticize about Margot but didn't vote for her. Instead he voted for a go-nowhere wagon and didn't provide a reason.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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I voted for PoP but it didn't make it into the VC.
Whoops! FixedLast edited by DragonEater70 on Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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I don't really understand the Lap case but I'm also not fully caught up on all of the posts today. I'm probably going to read through everything tomorrow unless I get a sudden burst of energy.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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I still haven't read everything posted today but I did a quick ISO of Lap and my town read mostly came from D1 events, when I thought GE was scum. I don't really like @791 or @796 or @797. Hulkamania is running wild on my certainty so I'm going to think about this and post after I sleepIn post 923, Mucho Man Randy Passion wrote:
One of DW, Enchant, PoP, Upwards. Why is Lap town?In post 913, Hu Tao wrote: Lap is town. Who else do you think is scum?When there's trouble, you call DW.
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Mucho Man, do you think PoP is tiny mafia or ripped strong town?When there's trouble, you call DW.
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When I get done reaching Mucho Man's 100,000 posts I'll go back and re-read D1 with this in mind. I will say that in my first ever mafia game in 2011 or whatever (another website) I rolled scum and was ultra-hyper-aggressive the entire time - so it can happen for a first timer.In post 943, lucca261 wrote:
I would disagree about Zeb trying to sit on the sidelines. He voted Gamma, putting him at E-1 (if I'm correct), only unvoting after a lengthy discussion with her.In post 887, DeltaWave wrote:
Oh sure. Is it because I shaded your predecessor before the day was over? In case anyone forgot, Zebedee sat out the whole Gamma/Margot competing wagons by parking his vote on me with zero explanation given and after only mentioning me a grand total of twice in the entire game at that point. (Once to say that I didn't produce content until I was "shoved", which isn't true, and then to make claim that Clap was scum with me for some reason.)In post 881, Prince of Paterson wrote: I didn't like Delta's readlist in 264, and 370 didn't feel like the town variety of defensiveness.
Or in other words,it sounds like Zebedee was trying to find a reason to sit on the sidelines of the whole controversy. Didn't want to be on the Gamma wagon and didn't want to bus Margot at the same time.
Still need to fully catch up because I'm between meetings but this seems pretty good for now. Definitely not voting Clap/Macho Man today. I thought Hu was scum at first but I'm warming up to Hu!Town.
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Don't really see scum!Zeb, on his first game, engaging on a one-on-one with 70k posts town!Gamma, while putting him on E-1, only to unvote her at the end, given that Zeb's slot was pretty much universally townread at the time. A much easier thing to do would be to vote Gamma because of the whole townblock, lurk for the rest of D1 and call it a day.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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WHAT?In post 963, Prince of Paterson wrote: I also feel a little better about Delta, something about her most recent posts come off as uninformed.When there's trouble, you call DW.
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Upward is high up on my scum list so I'm down for that. Probably shouldn't vote delta though.In post 971, Hu Tao wrote: I think we should find the scum that was on gamma. So I think we vote delta or upwardWhen there's trouble, you call DW.
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I'm not sure there could be any more obvious way to try to divert attention off yourself given the heat you've been getting today.In post 978, Laplacian wrote:
Was going to vote enchant after my list, but equally fine with thisIn post 971, Hu Tao wrote: I think we should find the scum that was on gamma. So I think we vote delta or upward
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It's just a lame vote is allWhen there's trouble, you call DW.
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