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[ketchup777]

I knew he had yet to claim a result, but that's public info

…how?!

[ketchup777]

I knew he had yet to claim a result, but that's public info

He could have watched me and not had anything to claim, like Hu Yap’s done with whoever she allegedly jailkeeped

gtg for a walk for an hour

…how?!

He was a claimed investigative that didn't claim his actions yet...

[ketchup777]

I knew he had yet to claim a result, but that's public info

He could have watched me and not had anything to claim, like Hu Yap’s done with whoever she allegedly jailkeeped

gtg for a walk for an hour

…how?!

He was a claimed investigative that didn't claim his actions yet...

messed up quoting sorry

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tfw you open your microwave and you realize you forgot to eat yesterday cause your meal is still inside it and you were too busy nolifing on mafiascum

oh noooo

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Omg guys by the way I came up with the sickest point on my walk one sec

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scumCELS seething over hangmanCHADS

right look at this guys

Jackson chose LOVE as his hangman word. As he was the one suggested hangman, it’s possible he was ready for this for a while. Because what is LOVE an anagram of? ElO V!! Jackson’s practically gloating about us being in a 5 player ELO because he’s worked so hard for this!!

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Spoiler:

What changed in the time between these posts:

UNVOTE:

actually this wagon sucks wtf

Hu Tao are you a member of the mafia

maybe Titus is the best vote we can acheive today actually

I just don't think it's Hu Tao

I think you might have explained it already, but it would save me sifting through hundreds of posts.

basically that's 2 different things

me unvoting titus and kinda angling towards hu was cause the titus wagon was absolutely shit and i was wondering if maybe i was wrong on hu tao being a PR who investigated me, i hoped this was a pretty clear signal to her

the other one was me trying to signal that i really didn't wanna do hu tao for reaons outside of "blergh, i'm townreading her"

Can you pinpoint exactly when you started townreading Hu Tao/thinking she was a town PR who investigated you?

Incidentally, I actually thought Ketchup was a PR who investigated me N1, which was why he townread me so heavily D2. I townread him independent of that, though.

Interesting, I thought

you

were a power role. But if I were an investigative role I would’ve for sure gone for someone dodgier

[ketchup777]

scumCELS seething over hangmanCHADS

right look at this guys

Jackson chose LOVE as his hangman word. As he was the one suggested hangman, it’s possible he was ready for this for a while. Because what is LOVE an anagram of? ElO V!! Jackson’s practically gloating about us being in a 5 player ELO because he’s worked so hard for this!!

I chose the word cuz my girlfriend was behind me and I wanted to be cute

no way would you have spent so much time on here if your girlfriend was around.

the hangman will be your downfall my friend

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i just woke up chat will i get anything out of reading JV and Gypyx yell at each other for *checks timestamps* six hours what the fuck

I guess you just can form your own vibes opinions, don’t recommend trying to analyse much there’s too much it’s impossible to keep up.

sleep well?

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Spoiler:

What changed in the time between these posts:

UNVOTE:

actually this wagon sucks wtf

Hu Tao are you a member of the mafia

maybe Titus is the best vote we can acheive today actually

I just don't think it's Hu Tao

I think you might have explained it already, but it would save me sifting through hundreds of posts.

basically that's 2 different things

me unvoting titus and kinda angling towards hu was cause the titus wagon was absolutely shit and i was wondering if maybe i was wrong on hu tao being a PR who investigated me, i hoped this was a pretty clear signal to her

the other one was me trying to signal that i really didn't wanna do hu tao for reaons outside of "blergh, i'm townreading her"

Can you pinpoint exactly when you started townreading Hu Tao/thinking she was a town PR who investigated you?

Incidentally, I actually thought Ketchup was a PR who investigated me N1, which was why he townread me so heavily D2. I townread him independent of that, though.

Interesting, I thought

you

were a power role. But if I were an investigative role I would’ve for sure gone for someone dodgier

My theory was that you were a Jailkeeper who protected me N1, and then assumed I would have made the N1 kill if I were scum.

Aha i see I see. Yeah I probably would’ve jailkeeped you if I were a jail keeper tbh

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Can you send 1

viewtopic.php?t=89068

this is the most recent one, although i have no memory of playing that one lol

the peak of my scumgame was probably tenet tho if that's maybe something you'd be more interested into

viewtopic.php?t=85288

Can you explain why last game you kinda just gave up as town and this game you're more vocal and upset?

i've also been trying to change up my playstyle since convincing people was apparently so hard for me to do, i'm still very bad at writing cases though so i've basically wanted to see how playing like a mafia goon with a green PM would work, ftr i think it's some pretty interesting results

What do you mean a goon with a green pm how would that be possible

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i just woke up chat will i get anything out of reading JV and Gypyx yell at each other for *checks timestamps* six hours what the fuck

a headache

so true

[ketchup777]

I'm sorry if I'm wrong. I just townread her

VOTE: Psyche

oooh this is exciting you have more courage than me

[ketchup777]

I do agree theres probably not much harm in revealing who you tried to block though Hu Tao

[ketchup777]

I'm sorry if I'm wrong. I just townread her

VOTE: Psyche

oooh this is exciting you have more courage than me

Is your main reason for thinking psyche is scum based on the supposed setup imbalances?

No, that’s more for townconfirming Hu Tao and Outworld (and by extension for you guys me, I guess). It’s a battle of the vibes, and I think it has felt more likely Gyp is being targeted by the mafia than the other way around. So it’s more likely Psyche in this 1v1

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I might do an an analysis of Day 1 from the perspective of a JacobJackson / Psyche / Black scum team in a bit. Trying to cover pages 90-99 first tho

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That's like not at all what I was saying, you took the whole shebang out of my shebang

It seemed like exactly what you were sayingn

[ketchup777]

I miss Drew, drew come back

Why? Drew barely did anything beyond manslaughtering 3 innocents in a short space of time. Do you miss him because he was helpful to you and your scum team?

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No, that’s more for townconfirming Hu Tao and Outworld (and by extension for you guys me, I guess). It’s a battle of the vibes, and I think it has felt more likely Gyp is being targeted by the mafia than the other way around. So it’s more likely Psyche in this 1v1

Battle of the vibes is where you're doing it wrong, vibes means nothing it's about content and theirs has been scummy the entire game

I think vibes are still somewhat important, the longer someone has to put on an act the more likely they are to crumble. As the saying roughly goes, the way to catch a lunatic serial killer (irl) is just to let them talk, they can’t resist bragging and incriminating themselves at some point.

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like shit i wouldn't be asking this confident with a gunsmith guilty

gunsmith guilty what did I miss

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I'm sorry if I'm wrong. I just townread her

VOTE: Psyche

Let's wait for Outworld to give his thoughts at least.

i mean, i'm not sure I have much insight.

i've scumread Gypyx essentially since she hammered Dann and that hasn't really changed especially with how D2 ended up playing out. The only hiccups I have was being unsure Psyche's claim could exist with all other PR's being real and just not really liking the timing of Psyche's claim. But the former I'm leaning towards being able to exist in the setup and the latter can be explained away by how the massclaim ended up working out.

So all in all I guess I just want to vote Gypyx but I'm scared of being wrong.

I’m scared for the town, but whatever you think, here’s your reminder we have 8 days left and NOT to rush into any votes

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I dislike how no matter what I do I get shaded and discredited by like three different people. I'm doing my best to put my thoughts into actionable words and all I'm seeing is cheap jabs at everything I do and honestly it's upsetting

holy shit it's almost as if you're finally in the position i was in since start of day 3

You weren't in this position, people have been making logical statements about you. I'm getting scum-read for choosing a particular word in a hangman game, for making a mistake thinking neapolitan was a vcop and missing drew. Like it's genuinely upsetting me

No I’m on Gypyx’s side (wow it really seems like we’re partnered don’t think that peoples). Lots of your points have not been backed up or substantial against her. The hangman is mostly a joke, I’ve explained Neapolitan doesn’t necessarily incriminate you. Drew I haven’t fully fledged into a thought yet, but I feel you’re overreacting to these things


LMAO I typed neopolitan and it auto corrected to 'noooo litany'

[ketchup777]

I'm sorry if I'm wrong. I just townread her

VOTE: Psyche

Let's wait for Outworld to give his thoughts at least.

i mean, i'm not sure I have much insight.

i've scumread Gypyx essentially since she hammered Dann and that hasn't really changed especially with how D2 ended up playing out. The only hiccups I have was being unsure Psyche's claim could exist with all other PR's being real and just not really liking the timing of Psyche's claim. But the former I'm leaning towards being able to exist in the setup and the latter can be explained away by how the massclaim ended up working out.

So all in all I guess I just want to vote Gypyx but I'm scared of being wrong.

I'm pretty much conf town. Ketchup is pretty obvious town. If we both vote Psyche then Psyche is pretty conf scum. Cause otherwise other 3 scum could just vote psyche

Yes, but the vote is too risky rn probably as it doesn’t work so well if scum DO hammer

[ketchup777]

I've tried my actual best this game and all of it is getting boiled down to me choosing "love" as a hangman choice while killing time. Do you not see how insulting that is?

Come on Jackson, you know I wasn’t fully serious on that. Who was it that said that mafia are more likely to be annoyed at being caught out

for the wrong reasons

? 'Cos that’s what I’m seeing here

[ketchup777]

I'm sorry if I'm wrong. I just townread her

VOTE: Psyche

oooh this is exciting you have more courage than me

Is your main reason for thinking psyche is scum based on the supposed setup imbalances?

No, that’s more for townconfirming Hu Tao and Outworld (and by extension for you guys me, I guess). It’s a battle of the vibes, and I think it has felt more likely

Gyp is being targeted by the mafia

than the other way around. So it’s more likely Psyche in this 1v1

Can you just confirm what you mean by this? I think I know, but just want to be clear.

It feels like Psyche, Jackson and Black are going in hard on Gypyx, and have all rushed their vote in a distinctly untowny way

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do we agree that scum lies in Me / psyche / jackson / black at least

if anyone (not jackson) disagrees with this statement please come fowards

I haven't fully ruled out Luca unfortunately, but your four is the likeliest pool yes

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I've tried my actual best this game and all of it is getting boiled down to me choosing "love" as a hangman choice while killing time. Do you not see how insulting that is?

Come on Jackson, you know I wasn’t fully serious on that. Who was it that said that mafia are more likely to be annoyed at being caught out

for the wrong reasons

? 'Cos that’s what I’m seeing here

Ketchup, what would your thoughts be if I told you that jackson was town?

It's possible he is so confident in himself that he genuinely got Gypyx wrong and the team is Luca / Black / Psyche

Or if Gypyx is scum, we now have

Psyche conftown
Jackson town because of our thought experiment scenario
I am town (I know this + Outworld's neapolitan check)
Hu Tao+OutWorld likely town

the team is a surprising

Luca / Black / Gypyx

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Holy shit 10 more pages

Not gonna read all that rn

A lot of it is me losing my sanity

as we use hangman to close in upon your inner mind. do you feel the walls closing in? o, how close you are to leaping up and exclaiming 'I am scum!'

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I've tried my actual best this game and all of it is getting boiled down to me choosing "love" as a hangman choice while killing time. Do you not see how insulting that is?

Come on Jackson, you know I wasn’t fully serious on that. Who was it that said that mafia are more likely to be annoyed at being caught out

for the wrong reasons

? 'Cos that’s what I’m seeing here

Ketchup, what would your thoughts be if I told you that jackson was town?

It's possible he is so confident in himself that he genuinely got Gypyx wrong and the team is Luca / Black / Psyche

Or if Gypyx is scum, we now have

Psyche conftown
Jackson town because of our thought experiment scenario
I am town (I know this + Outworld's neapolitan check)
Hu Tao+OutWorld likely town

the team is a surprising

Luca / Black / Gypyx

What if me and Jackson were town?

There's a reason why i ask this, but first I'm curious as to your thoughts.

Well.

Me Outworld Hu Tao being town is what I'm taking as a near given at this point.

So it has to be Black / Psyche / Gypyx in the world's most devious double bus

[ketchup777]

Actually thank you for these new thought perspectives though this is interesting

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I'm not gonna be around much this weekend and this game is moving at an extremely fast pace so I'm bound to get behind

fairs

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I'm close to leaping up and decking myself in the face, respectfully of course <3

pfft

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i was pretty vague on the difference between neapolitan and vanilla cop myself. this is just another nothing

psycheeeee were you trying to shut us down

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i was pretty vague on the difference between neapolitan and vanilla cop myself. this is just another nothing

It's actually starting to piss me off

because you're being caught for the wrong reasons? whoever alerted me to that, was it Dann? it seems to be a case in point here

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i was pretty vague on the difference between neapolitan and vanilla cop myself. this is just another nothing

It's actually starting to piss me off

because you're being caught for the wrong reasons? whoever alerted me to that, was it Dann? it seems to be a case in point here

and in 2473 as I said recently

[ketchup777]

I don't like bad logic being used against me, period

what would you say the most annoying thing being misrepresented as a mafia when you're town is for you? this?

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I didn't want to do a particular thing, and my hand is seemingly being forced because of your (and ig hu tao if they're real)'s adamance on the wrong solve and I resent that

if you have some closeted PR claim then go for it

[ketchup777]

I don't like bad logic being used against me, period

what would you say the most annoying thing being misrepresented as a mafia when you're town is for you? this?

Can you reword this please?

when you're town, and people suspect you of being mafia, have you ever been voted out for a super dumb reason? what?

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I didn't want to do a particular thing, and my hand is seemingly being forced because of your (and ig hu tao if they're real)'s adamance on the wrong solve and I resent that

if you have some closeted PR claim then go for it

Yeah I'm a Novice Non-Consequtive Simple (yet secretly complex) Loyal Loud Roaming Strongwilled 1-shot Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Laser Beams Out Of Its Ass

Oh yes of course I forgot (:
don't dayvig me!

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This game is actually giving me brain rot, I can't actually believe ketchup is borderline confirmed and is doing all this

You can't believe I'm trying to solve the game rather than just blindly vote?

[ketchup777]

I don't like bad logic being used against me, period

what would you say the most annoying thing being misrepresented as a mafia when you're town is for you? this?

Can you reword this please?

when you're town, and people suspect you of being mafia, have you ever been voted out for a super dumb reason? what?

I've been voted out for dumb reasons before all the time, but I don't care too much about it.

It's when I feel the logic is so cleanly put in front of people, I do my best to try and put it in words and then people shrink down and label what I'm saying as something it's not. It gets under my skin so badly and you both are doing that to me.

I need to reword my points because I'm sure a lot of it is because I'm clouded and need to word it better but still. Everything you both are saying about my push is like not my push and then you labelling all this surface level shit as "oh this is scummy" is just insulting when I've been busting my ass to try and push the Town into a direction that I think is plainly obvious and it's just ugh

Surface level meta-reads, just because I did X in a mafia game doesn't mean it's wolfy goddamn it

Interesting, just 2 days ago you seemed to think the thing you hated most in the

'I hate being scumread for this'

thread was meta reads. Conforming your argument to the present situation?

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omg well this is interesting

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it simply doesn't make sense for you two to be masons

besides if that was the game would be over by now since i'd be in quickhammer range and i digress (the scumteam would need to be {Hu Tao / Outworld} / Black / Psyche) to balance out the power budget

Oh but we are masons nonetheless. I tried so many times for you to jump out of the lock on the three of us wolf but you refused, that's on you sweetheart

you're telling me to image something that makes zero sense and now you're throwing the blame on me for not following

maybe

it's a Luca / Jackson / Psyche scumteam actually, i'd honeslty buy that more easily than them actually being masons

I mean, if you don't buy their mason claim that's the only alternative

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would jailkeeping a mason stop them talking in the night

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is it possible for the scumteam to be JV/Luca/Gypyx and this is simply the hardest bus known to man

I think Jackson and Gypyx went beyond what was needed for a bus into the realms of literally attacking each other, so I don't think these 2 are both scum

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How about we both post a synopsis at the same time

if you're in the scum PT together this is easy to fake

It'd be something though, knowing they're on the same alignment. Could be worth pushing for?

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turns out to be town, i mean

whoops!

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Spoiler: Page 1 Synopsis

Luca and Jacob greet each other with a simple "Hello" (like exactly that lmfao). Jacob apologizes for being on Luca as he didn't mean to but tells Luca that he can press Psyche if he'd like. Luca acknowledges this and just says that Jacob can do whatever he's comfortable with, and he in fact likes Psyche's reaction. Jacob thinks that bug/OW are scummy. Luca then things he should leae a crumb in their 24th post to encode some way to claim masonry later. Jacob then says he should probably do the same (woah pro gamer strats). Luca then goes an explains typical masonry softing to Jacob the newbie mason. Luca thinks that bug is wolf, jacob then decides to sheep this read for the sake of the masonry (pro gamer strats). Jacob calls out post 88 as his soft, while Luca realises he did his 24th post but forgot to crumb like an absolute chump

but will recover in his 42nd post instead

, and in 170 he quote the 24th post in reference to Jacobs username (what a cool soft) but then decided to start distancing to avoid getting killed by the mofai (oh no so bad) Jacob then asks if he should hold the mason card in reserve in the event that Luca had bit the dust. End of Page (wow super cool)

Then why did Jacob never make the effort to get to post 42? he was only 8 posts off

[ketchup777]

This is why we shouldn't rush this vote: The game is in solving distance.

Tell your mason buddy to remove his vote then

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Spoiler: Page 1 Synopsis

Luca and Jacob greet each other with a simple "Hello" (like exactly that lmfao). Jacob apologizes for being on Luca as he didn't mean to but tells Luca that he can press Psyche if he'd like. Luca acknowledges this and just says that Jacob can do whatever he's comfortable with, and he in fact likes Psyche's reaction. Jacob thinks that bug/OW are scummy. Luca then things he should leae a crumb in their 24th post to encode some way to claim masonry later. Jacob then says he should probably do the same (woah pro gamer strats). Luca then goes an explains typical masonry softing to Jacob the newbie mason. Luca thinks that bug is wolf, jacob then decides to sheep this read for the sake of the masonry (pro gamer strats). Jacob calls out post 88 as his soft, while Luca realises he did his 24th post but forgot to crumb like an absolute chump

but will recover in his 42nd post instead

, and in 170 he quote the 24th post in reference to Jacobs username (what a cool soft) but then decided to start distancing to avoid getting killed by the mofai (oh no so bad) Jacob then asks if he should hold the mason card in reserve in the event that Luca had bit the dust. End of Page (wow super cool)

Then why did Jacob never make the effort to get to post 42? he was only 8 posts off

That was Luca's plan, not Jacobs

Ok, what was Jacob's soft in post 88?

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Possible scenarios:

a) Luca and Jackson are masons
b) Luca and Jackson are scum.

I guess they can't be apart actually

I fear Luca sprinkled in mason claims early as scum, prepared to use if necessary with one of his teammates. he never crumbed who he was mason with

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Ketchup if you vote psyche then it'll be clear psyche is scum.

Ok thinking.

It's at least one of Gypyx/Psyche

If is Jackson, is Luca and vice versa.

Possible teams:

Psyche/Jackson/Luca
Gypyx/Jackson/Luca but the emotions generated between Gyp and Jackson felt real so I think they're not both scum.
Psyche/Gypyx/? (Outworld,Hu Tao or Black)
Psyche/OutWorld/Hu Tao, OW and Hu Tao using their claims to corroborate each other
Gypyx/Outworld/Hu Tao
Psyche+ a different 2 of Hu Tao, Black, OW
Gypyx+ a different 2 of Hu Tao, Black OW
but for the last 2, Hu Tao and Outworld's claims fit well together

Can any of these be ruled out?

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Ketchup if you vote psyche then it'll be clear psyche is scum.

I can't risk a team like Gypyx/Black/Outworld punishing my vote

[ketchup777]

Ketchup if you vote psyche then it'll be clear psyche is scum.

Ok thinking.

It's at least one of Gypyx/Psyche

If is Jackson, is Luca and vice versa.

Possible teams:

Psyche/Jackson/Luca
Gypyx/Jackson/Luca but the emotions generated between Gyp and Jackson felt real so I think they're not both scum.
Psyche/Gypyx/? (Outworld,Hu Tao or Black)
Psyche/OutWorld/Hu Tao, OW and Hu Tao using their claims to corroborate each other
Gypyx/Outworld/Hu Tao
Psyche+ a different 2 of Hu Tao, Black, OW
Gypyx+ a different 2 of Hu Tao, Black OW
but for the last 2, Hu Tao and Outworld's claims fit well together

Can any of these be ruled out?

Me and OWER can't be on a team with psyche or we both vote gypyx here

perfect! valid logic

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Spoiler: Page 1 Synopsis

Luca and Jacob greet each other with a simple "Hello" (like exactly that lmfao). Jacob apologizes for being on Luca as he didn't mean to but tells Luca that he can press Psyche if he'd like. Luca acknowledges this and just says that Jacob can do whatever he's comfortable with, and he in fact likes Psyche's reaction. Jacob thinks that bug/OW are scummy. Luca then things he should leae a crumb in their 24th post to encode some way to claim masonry later. Jacob then says he should probably do the same (woah pro gamer strats). Luca then goes an explains typical masonry softing to Jacob the newbie mason. Luca thinks that bug is wolf, jacob then decides to sheep this read for the sake of the masonry (pro gamer strats). Jacob calls out post 88 as his soft, while Luca realises he did his 24th post but forgot to crumb like an absolute chump

but will recover in his 42nd post instead

, and in 170 he quote the 24th post in reference to Jacobs username (what a cool soft) but then decided to start distancing to avoid getting killed by the mofai (oh no so bad) Jacob then asks if he should hold the mason card in reserve in the event that Luca had bit the dust. End of Page (wow super cool)

Then why did Jacob never make the effort to get to post 42? he was only 8 posts off

That was Luca's plan, not Jacobs

Ok, what was Jacob's soft in post 88?

I'm not sure, I didn't check post 88

I'm not seeing anything

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Possible scenarios:

a) Luca and Jackson are masons
b) Luca and Jackson are scum.

I guess they can't be apart actually

I fear Luca sprinkled in mason claims early as scum, prepared to use if necessary with one of his teammates.

he never crumbed who he was mason with

Yes, I did? I crumbed I was masons with Jacob. Read the post again.

Also, why would I make this move here as scum when I've been townbinned by most of the playerlist?

apologies, I understand, you did.

well, Hu Tao and I had just admitted we hadn't taken you off our radar yet...

Come on, Jackson, if you're a mason, this is huge. We have so much information, unvote. Or anyone else unvote.

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Only way I'm scum is if I'm scum with gypyx and ower I think

Why ower?

Hu claimed jailkeeper

Ower claimed macho

there wouldn't be a macho role without any protectives

unless thomith playing us

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Ketchup if you vote psyche then it'll be clear psyche is scum.

I can't risk a team like Gypyx/Black/Outworld punishing my vote

If it's that then we already lost because of luca/jv and it won't matter. That's why you need to vote psyche to show them that psyche is scum

What do you mean we already lost? If we eventually deduce it's that we can maybe persuade luca and jv eventually

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Only way I'm scum is if I'm scum with gypyx and ower I think

Why ower?

Hu claimed jailkeeper

Ower claimed macho

there wouldn't be a macho role without any protectives

unless thomith playing us

honestly this wouldn't be unexpected in a complex normal, but this is a simple, we're not here for this deep of a mafia game

ok i'll trust you guys on this

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Spoiler: Page 1 Synopsis

Luca and Jacob greet each other with a simple "Hello" (like exactly that lmfao). Jacob apologizes for being on Luca as he didn't mean to but tells Luca that he can press Psyche if he'd like. Luca acknowledges this and just says that Jacob can do whatever he's comfortable with, and he in fact likes Psyche's reaction. Jacob thinks that bug/OW are scummy. Luca then things he should leae a crumb in their 24th post to encode some way to claim masonry later. Jacob then says he should probably do the same (woah pro gamer strats). Luca then goes an explains typical masonry softing to Jacob the newbie mason. Luca thinks that bug is wolf, jacob then decides to sheep this read for the sake of the masonry (pro gamer strats). Jacob calls out post 88 as his soft, while Luca realises he did his 24th post but forgot to crumb like an absolute chump

but will recover in his 42nd post instead

, and in 170 he quote the 24th post in reference to Jacobs username (what a cool soft) but then decided to start distancing to avoid getting killed by the mofai (oh no so bad) Jacob then asks if he should hold the mason card in reserve in the event that Luca had bit the dust. End of Page (wow super cool)

Then why did Jacob never make the effort to get to post 42? he was only 8 posts off

That was Luca's plan, not Jacobs

Ok, what was Jacob's soft in post 88?

I'm not sure, I didn't check post 88

I'm not seeing anything

It's likely he was very scared to be too obvious and made it super small, I don't really care too much to look personally

can't you at least try? if you find something it will help your case

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Possible scenarios:

a) Luca and Jackson are masons
b) Luca and Jackson are scum.

I guess they can't be apart actually

I fear Luca sprinkled in mason claims early as scum, prepared to use if necessary with one of his teammates.

he never crumbed who he was mason with

Yes, I did? I crumbed I was masons with Jacob. Read the post again.

Also, why would I make this move here as scum when I've been townbinned by most of the playerlist?

apologies, I understand, you did.

well, Hu Tao and I had just admitted we hadn't taken you off our radar yet...

Come on, Jackson, if you're a mason, this is huge. We have so much information, unvote. Or anyone else unvote.

I think Hu Tao had just agreed to a scum pool that didn't feature me in it at all, from what i remember.

Let's be honest, if I were scum, I'd have had a much easier path to victory than claiming masons that conflicts with other town roles already claimed, and with a player who is quite heavily scumread by you, a conftown.

The reason I asked gypyx to say why she townreads me so much before I claimed masons was to highlight this point - I didn't need to claim, I claimed because by not claiming it was obstructing the discussion due to on a limited view of the setup based on the roles claimed.

check out post 2502.

Sure, you started building up to it by asking gypyx, don't know if that confirms your claim

[ketchup777]

actually would a no lim be a bad idea or what's the deal

no lim just kills me unless scum WIFOM's to keep me alive for the ELO distraction/they don't think I'm actually macho. i don't think we get anything out of it.

wouldn't you want to flip so that we can be assured that the masons are fake?

okay but I'm not guranteed to flip, that's the thing.

especially if Luca/JV are the scumteam they can just kill someone else to avoid the scenario you're presenting here. My Nea result can't guilty either of them regardless.

if alive, you could confirm gyp/psyche's claims but i agree jailkeep makes no lim not tempting

[ketchup777]

I'm leaving. Mislim and win your fucking game Gypyx. Hope this makes your win really feel good

nooo stay we can't get a replacement in as town they have no chance of helping us out

[ketchup777]

These early reads seem a bit mindless… let’s slow down a bit and think about it.

I’m here by the way.

I get what you're saying, but without the early reads, mindless though they may be, there would be nothing to slow down and think about.

These early reads seem a bit mindless… let’s slow down a bit and think about it.

I’m here by the way.

I get what you're saying, but without the early reads, mindless though they may be, there would be nothing to slow down and think about.

Seems like Pysche was using this same logic, but you called them out for it?

I'm not scumreading psyche for the fact he has reads early doors, but for the tone of his posts, as I did my best to explain.

Fair enough. Maybe better to say I liked Luca's reasoning. A lot of people had put votes down on Bug without explaining really so I wanted something a little more formal. Post 26 felt good when I read the ISO on him.

Didn't you refer to my post 26 as 'mindless' before? What's changed?

Luca raises some good anti-Bugs points in 145 which have begun to persuade me that Bugs is maybe dodgier than I first thought. Nowhere close to voting them tho. Let’s try something new.

Thanks!

Could I ask you to elaborate more on your thoughts regarding Bugs?

Sure. Basically everything you’ve recently said has led me further and further from my original guess that Bugs was town. I thought at first that if bugs were mafia, they wouldn’t be asking random questions (like the multitasking one and asking if I was an alt) because it’s just drawing unnecessary attention to themselves. It’s not like asking questions demonstrates that your town, so I didn’t think a mafia would be asking these kind of questions. But you raise so many good points that you’re making me doubt my initial read; maybe Bugs is nervous, or is double bluffing me. Aware that there are liars among us though, I don’t want to let myself get fully swayed by you (Luca) yet on Bugs, especially as my vote at this point would be the fifth vote on Bugs which is dangerously close to voting them off. All it takes them is one mafia and one over enthusiastic townie to vote Bugs off and that seals it (for better or for worse, I can’t tell at this point). I haven’t felt anything good come out of Project yet, maybe if they had accused someone else but I get to be in the fortunate position of distrusting anyone who votes me because they’re wrong (:
So I’ll keep my vote on Project for now until something better comes up. I honestly doubt I’ll be successful in starting a wagon, because Bugs is under way more fire atm it seems, but I’d rather go with my gut than go with the herd.

This reads town to me. I’m not sure on Black at the moment but definitely not in a place to name them mafia.

Yeah, I could be wrong about Ketchup. There are definitely some townie elements to his play. He certainly seems to scumhunt/townhunt in a unique sort of way that I find difficult to resonate with, though. Of course, that is to be expected from newer players to an extent.

As for you, Jacob, you are hardly filling me with confidence. Can I get your general thoughts on the game, as well as an answer to my 171?

Luca raises some good anti-Bugs points in 145 which have begun to persuade me that Bugs is maybe dodgier than I first thought. Nowhere close to voting them tho. Let’s try something new.

Thanks!

Could I ask you to elaborate more on your thoughts regarding Bugs?

Sure. Basically everything you’ve recently said has led me further and further from my original guess that Bugs was town. I thought at first that if bugs were mafia, they wouldn’t be asking random questions (like the multitasking one and asking if I was an alt) because it’s just drawing unnecessary attention to themselves. It’s not like asking questions demonstrates that your town, so I didn’t think a mafia would be asking these kind of questions. But you raise so many good points that you’re making me doubt my initial read; maybe Bugs is nervous, or is double bluffing me. Aware that there are liars among us though, I don’t want to let myself get fully swayed by you (Luca) yet on Bugs, especially as my vote at this point would be the fifth vote on Bugs which is dangerously close to voting them off. All it takes them is one mafia and one over enthusiastic townie to vote Bugs off and that seals it (for better or for worse, I can’t tell at this point). I haven’t felt anything good come out of Project yet, maybe if they had accused someone else but I get to be in the fortunate position of distrusting anyone who votes me because they’re wrong (:
So I’ll keep my vote on Project for now until something better comes up. I honestly doubt I’ll be successful in starting a wagon, because Bugs is under way more fire atm it seems, but I’d rather go with my gut than go with the herd.

This reads town to me. I’m not sure on Black at the moment but definitely not in a place to name them mafia.

Yeah, I could be wrong about Ketchup. There are definitely some townie elements to his play. He certainly seems to scumhunt/townhunt in a unique sort of way that I find difficult to resonate with, though. Of course, that is to be expected from newer players to an extent.

As for you, Jacob, you are hardly filling me with confidence. Can I get your general thoughts on the game, as well as an answer to my 171?

Did I really? If so my bad. That post was mostly aimed at not the first phase stuff so sorry if it seemed like I was on you. I just wanted something more though out then “you voted me so f you” mentality.

Sorry if I’m not convincing you of my township, why poke at me though? You’ve been out against everyone in the game practically

D1 essentially is about poking around in the dark to try and make sense of what's going on, from a town perspective. I feel like you're deflecting a bit with that last sentence. Do you think

'being out against everyone'

is scummy, or are you just finding my playing style frustrating?

Also, again, can I get your general thoughts on the game? I feel like you've only spoken about a few players in this game so far (namely Bugs, Ketchup and myself.)

you sure went after your mason partner a lot

[ketchup777]

i was pretty vague on the difference between neapolitan and vanilla cop myself. this is just another nothing

psycheeeee were you trying to shut us down

yes

o:

[ketchup777]

honestly i'm really hoping it's psyche / jackson / luca cause that's basically the only scumteam i have the mental capacity to kill right now

I think it has to be this or psyche / black / ower

There is no other possible teams imo

i'm so pissed regardless

idk this game is just looking completely fucked regardless there's a point in the town with a huge divide and people aren't gonna stop disagreeing all of a sudden

I'm going to give it all I've got. I want to win (:

[ketchup777]

Did our best to keep it lowkey so that we could survive with the entire masonry intact after you go out

You don't know that you'll survive the night, though

[ketchup777]

honestly i'm really hoping it's psyche / jackson / luca cause that's basically the only scumteam i have the mental capacity to kill right now

I think it has to be this or psyche / black / ower

There is no other possible teams imo

i'm so pissed regardless

idk this game is just looking completely fucked regardless there's a point in the town with a huge divide and people aren't gonna stop disagreeing all of a sudden

I'm going to give it all I've got. I want to win (:

yeah i'm doing that too but i'm running out of energy and this game just gets more stupid

On the contrary, it keeps getting more and more exciting. remember when this was at a static like a week ago? dam this is so much more fun

[ketchup777]

Spoiler:

These early reads seem a bit mindless… let’s slow down a bit and think about it.

I’m here by the way.

I get what you're saying, but without the early reads, mindless though they may be, there would be nothing to slow down and think about.

These early reads seem a bit mindless… let’s slow down a bit and think about it.

I’m here by the way.

I get what you're saying, but without the early reads, mindless though they may be, there would be nothing to slow down and think about.

Seems like Pysche was using this same logic, but you called them out for it?

I'm not scumreading psyche for the fact he has reads early doors, but for the tone of his posts, as I did my best to explain.

Fair enough. Maybe better to say I liked Luca's reasoning. A lot of people had put votes down on Bug without explaining really so I wanted something a little more formal. Post 26 felt good when I read the ISO on him.

Didn't you refer to my post 26 as 'mindless' before? What's changed?

Luca raises some good anti-Bugs points in 145 which have begun to persuade me that Bugs is maybe dodgier than I first thought. Nowhere close to voting them tho. Let’s try something new.

Thanks!

Could I ask you to elaborate more on your thoughts regarding Bugs?

Sure. Basically everything you’ve recently said has led me further and further from my original guess that Bugs was town. I thought at first that if bugs were mafia, they wouldn’t be asking random questions (like the multitasking one and asking if I was an alt) because it’s just drawing unnecessary attention to themselves. It’s not like asking questions demonstrates that your town, so I didn’t think a mafia would be asking these kind of questions. But you raise so many good points that you’re making me doubt my initial read; maybe Bugs is nervous, or is double bluffing me. Aware that there are liars among us though, I don’t want to let myself get fully swayed by you (Luca) yet on Bugs, especially as my vote at this point would be the fifth vote on Bugs which is dangerously close to voting them off. All it takes them is one mafia and one over enthusiastic townie to vote Bugs off and that seals it (for better or for worse, I can’t tell at this point). I haven’t felt anything good come out of Project yet, maybe if they had accused someone else but I get to be in the fortunate position of distrusting anyone who votes me because they’re wrong (:
So I’ll keep my vote on Project for now until something better comes up. I honestly doubt I’ll be successful in starting a wagon, because Bugs is under way more fire atm it seems, but I’d rather go with my gut than go with the herd.

This reads town to me. I’m not sure on Black at the moment but definitely not in a place to name them mafia.

Yeah, I could be wrong about Ketchup. There are definitely some townie elements to his play. He certainly seems to scumhunt/townhunt in a unique sort of way that I find difficult to resonate with, though. Of course, that is to be expected from newer players to an extent.

As for you, Jacob, you are hardly filling me with confidence. Can I get your general thoughts on the game, as well as an answer to my 171?

Luca raises some good anti-Bugs points in 145 which have begun to persuade me that Bugs is maybe dodgier than I first thought. Nowhere close to voting them tho. Let’s try something new.

Thanks!

Could I ask you to elaborate more on your thoughts regarding Bugs?

Sure. Basically everything you’ve recently said has led me further and further from my original guess that Bugs was town. I thought at first that if bugs were mafia, they wouldn’t be asking random questions (like the multitasking one and asking if I was an alt) because it’s just drawing unnecessary attention to themselves. It’s not like asking questions demonstrates that your town, so I didn’t think a mafia would be asking these kind of questions. But you raise so many good points that you’re making me doubt my initial read; maybe Bugs is nervous, or is double bluffing me. Aware that there are liars among us though, I don’t want to let myself get fully swayed by you (Luca) yet on Bugs, especially as my vote at this point would be the fifth vote on Bugs which is dangerously close to voting them off. All it takes them is one mafia and one over enthusiastic townie to vote Bugs off and that seals it (for better or for worse, I can’t tell at this point). I haven’t felt anything good come out of Project yet, maybe if they had accused someone else but I get to be in the fortunate position of distrusting anyone who votes me because they’re wrong (:
So I’ll keep my vote on Project for now until something better comes up. I honestly doubt I’ll be successful in starting a wagon, because Bugs is under way more fire atm it seems, but I’d rather go with my gut than go with the herd.

This reads town to me. I’m not sure on Black at the moment but definitely not in a place to name them mafia.

Yeah, I could be wrong about Ketchup. There are definitely some townie elements to his play. He certainly seems to scumhunt/townhunt in a unique sort of way that I find difficult to resonate with, though. Of course, that is to be expected from newer players to an extent.

As for you, Jacob, you are hardly filling me with confidence. Can I get your general thoughts on the game, as well as an answer to my 171?

Did I really? If so my bad. That post was mostly aimed at not the first phase stuff so sorry if it seemed like I was on you. I just wanted something more though out then “you voted me so f you” mentality.

Sorry if I’m not convincing you of my township, why poke at me though? You’ve been out against everyone in the game practically

D1 essentially is about poking around in the dark to try and make sense of what's going on, from a town perspective. I feel like you're deflecting a bit with that last sentence. Do you think

'being out against everyone'

is scummy, or are you just finding my playing style frustrating?

Also, again, can I get your general thoughts on the game? I feel like you've only spoken about a few players in this game so far (namely Bugs, Ketchup and myself.)

you sure went after your mason partner a lot

Yes, I tried to distance so neither of us would be night killed, and if one of us was then scum wouldn't guess who the other mason was.

That's the reason I crumbed like I did - so that we could otherwise distance. As I said, jacob even asked me to put some heat on him so he wouldn't be night-killed.

That's why today I said I thought Jackson was bussing gypyx - so that if we didn't claim then tomorrow we might both still be alive.

Ok that makes some sense, but if you were killed and we found your crumbs we'd probably be able to put it together. And with all the great analysis you were putting out, your death was not off the cards, no?

[ketchup777]

at least you're enjoying yourself

it's time for you to go parading through the french streets with a strawberry crepe
come back soon tho bestie

[ketchup777]

i was pretty vague on the difference between neapolitan and vanilla cop myself. this is just another nothing

It's actually starting to piss me off

because you're being caught for the wrong reasons? whoever alerted me to that, was it Dann? it seems to be a case in point here

i was starting to type a lecture about forming reads based on mindset and counterfactuals but how obnoxious would it be to do all that w/o having shared any good reads to speak of this entire game

I was accusing Jackson here, not you

[ketchup777]

Did our best to keep it lowkey so that we could survive with the entire masonry intact after you go out

You don't know that you'll survive the night, though

The reason we held back the claim was so that we could survive the night and announce it tomorrow, but people were getting trigger-happy with votes and misled by an incomplete picture of the role claims, so I thought it was in the best interest to claim now.

That's why I asked you questions like whether your psyche scumread was influenced by the setup.

*deliberately hides half of town's power*

oh wow massclaim is going badly i wonder if we should intervene

hahaha

[ketchup777]

at least you're enjoying yourself

it's time for you to go parading through the french streets with a strawberry crepe
come back soon tho bestie

while i appreciate the offer it's a thunderstorm outside

ah. try again tomorrow

[ketchup777]

at least you're enjoying yourself

it's time for you to go parading through the french streets with a strawberry crepe
come back soon tho bestie

while i appreciate the offer it's a thunderstorm outside

ah. try again tomorrow

omg guys look at the first letters of my post this is actually an AT-AT walker claim, if any mafia lie to me I will shoot you down

[ketchup777]

Spoiler:

These early reads seem a bit mindless… let’s slow down a bit and think about it.

I’m here by the way.

I get what you're saying, but without the early reads, mindless though they may be, there would be nothing to slow down and think about.

These early reads seem a bit mindless… let’s slow down a bit and think about it.

I’m here by the way.

I get what you're saying, but without the early reads, mindless though they may be, there would be nothing to slow down and think about.

Seems like Pysche was using this same logic, but you called them out for it?

I'm not scumreading psyche for the fact he has reads early doors, but for the tone of his posts, as I did my best to explain.

Fair enough. Maybe better to say I liked Luca's reasoning. A lot of people had put votes down on Bug without explaining really so I wanted something a little more formal. Post 26 felt good when I read the ISO on him.

Didn't you refer to my post 26 as 'mindless' before? What's changed?

Luca raises some good anti-Bugs points in 145 which have begun to persuade me that Bugs is maybe dodgier than I first thought. Nowhere close to voting them tho. Let’s try something new.

Thanks!

Could I ask you to elaborate more on your thoughts regarding Bugs?

Sure. Basically everything you’ve recently said has led me further and further from my original guess that Bugs was town. I thought at first that if bugs were mafia, they wouldn’t be asking random questions (like the multitasking one and asking if I was an alt) because it’s just drawing unnecessary attention to themselves. It’s not like asking questions demonstrates that your town, so I didn’t think a mafia would be asking these kind of questions. But you raise so many good points that you’re making me doubt my initial read; maybe Bugs is nervous, or is double bluffing me. Aware that there are liars among us though, I don’t want to let myself get fully swayed by you (Luca) yet on Bugs, especially as my vote at this point would be the fifth vote on Bugs which is dangerously close to voting them off. All it takes them is one mafia and one over enthusiastic townie to vote Bugs off and that seals it (for better or for worse, I can’t tell at this point). I haven’t felt anything good come out of Project yet, maybe if they had accused someone else but I get to be in the fortunate position of distrusting anyone who votes me because they’re wrong (:
So I’ll keep my vote on Project for now until something better comes up. I honestly doubt I’ll be successful in starting a wagon, because Bugs is under way more fire atm it seems, but I’d rather go with my gut than go with the herd.

This reads town to me. I’m not sure on Black at the moment but definitely not in a place to name them mafia.

Yeah, I could be wrong about Ketchup. There are definitely some townie elements to his play. He certainly seems to scumhunt/townhunt in a unique sort of way that I find difficult to resonate with, though. Of course, that is to be expected from newer players to an extent.

As for you, Jacob, you are hardly filling me with confidence. Can I get your general thoughts on the game, as well as an answer to my 171?

Thanks!

Could I ask you to elaborate more on your thoughts regarding Bugs?

Sure. Basically everything you’ve recently said has led me further and further from my original guess that Bugs was town. I thought at first that if bugs were mafia, they wouldn’t be asking random questions (like the multitasking one and asking if I was an alt) because it’s just drawing unnecessary attention to themselves. It’s not like asking questions demonstrates that your town, so I didn’t think a mafia would be asking these kind of questions. But you raise so many good points that you’re making me doubt my initial read; maybe Bugs is nervous, or is double bluffing me. Aware that there are liars among us though, I don’t want to let myself get fully swayed by you (Luca) yet on Bugs, especially as my vote at this point would be the fifth vote on Bugs which is dangerously close to voting them off. All it takes them is one mafia and one over enthusiastic townie to vote Bugs off and that seals it (for better or for worse, I can’t tell at this point). I haven’t felt anything good come out of Project yet, maybe if they had accused someone else but I get to be in the fortunate position of distrusting anyone who votes me because they’re wrong (:
So I’ll keep my vote on Project for now until something better comes up. I honestly doubt I’ll be successful in starting a wagon, because Bugs is under way more fire atm it seems, but I’d rather go with my gut than go with the herd.

This reads town to me. I’m not sure on Black at the moment but definitely not in a place to name them mafia.

Yeah, I could be wrong about Ketchup. There are definitely some townie elements to his play. He certainly seems to scumhunt/townhunt in a unique sort of way that I find difficult to resonate with, though. Of course, that is to be expected from newer players to an extent.

As for you, Jacob, you are hardly filling me with confidence. Can I get your general thoughts on the game, as well as an answer to my 171?

Did I really? If so my bad. That post was mostly aimed at not the first phase stuff so sorry if it seemed like I was on you. I just wanted something more though out then “you voted me so f you” mentality.

Sorry if I’m not convincing you of my township, why poke at me though? You’ve been out against everyone in the game practically

D1 essentially is about poking around in the dark to try and make sense of what's going on, from a town perspective. I feel like you're deflecting a bit with that last sentence. Do you think

'being out against everyone'

is scummy, or are you just finding my playing style frustrating?

Also, again, can I get your general thoughts on the game? I feel like you've only spoken about a few players in this game so far (namely Bugs, Ketchup and myself.)

you sure went after your mason partner a lot

Yes, I tried to distance so neither of us would be night killed, and if one of us was then scum wouldn't guess who the other mason was.

That's the reason I crumbed like I did - so that we could otherwise distance. As I said, jacob even asked me to put some heat on him so he wouldn't be night-killed.

That's why today I said I thought Jackson was bussing gypyx - so that if we didn't claim then tomorrow we might both still be alive.

Ok that makes some sense, but if you were killed and we found your crumbs we'd probably be able to put it together. And with all the great analysis you were putting out, your death was not off the cards, no?

I don't think my crumbs were that easy to find if you didn't know what to look for, especially in relation to who my fellow mason was.

My death was indeed never off the cards, which, again, is why I tried to make out like I suspected Jacob/Jackson so that scum would think I'm on the wrong track and be less likely to kill me. I did expect to die N1 despite being wrong on Bugs.

okok. new line of argument incoming. prepare your sword

[ketchup777]

Jackson, Luca, one of you. What were the last things Jacob said in the mason thread before he replaced out?

[ketchup777]

i was pretty vague on the difference between neapolitan and vanilla cop myself. this is just another nothing

It's actually starting to piss me off

because you're being caught for the wrong reasons? whoever alerted me to that, was it Dann? it seems to be a case in point here

i was starting to type a lecture about forming reads based on mindset and counterfactuals but how obnoxious would it be to do all that w/o having shared any good reads to speak of this entire game

I was accusing Jackson here, not you

yess but it's bad reads all the way down

youch ):

[ketchup777]

I get gypyx's energy seems townie, I thought so too, but psyche in my opinion has been townier without pushing agendas or manipulating anything.

He's really not been

Well, if you're town then please be open-minded, that's all I ask.

Says the masons pushing to eliminate gypyx asap

But I'm not? I've said time and again to hold fire and wait while we work everything out.

From my perspective it's very unlikely that gypyx is town here, but I'm still willing to consider everything once again tomorrow with a clear head.

work on Jackson unvoting her then

[ketchup777]

Jackson, Luca, one of you. What were the last things Jacob said in the mason thread before he replaced out?

I remember without looking that he said maybe we should take Dann's reads into account as he flipped town.

despite the fact that Dann's 3 main scum reads were all confirmed town?

Now look at the thread and tell me, specifically(if paraphrased), what were Jacob's last two messages in the mason PT?

[ketchup777]

work on Jackson unvoting her then

What benefit does it have anymore?

I want more time to work this out. I can do this ):
E-3 is safer than E-2

[ketchup777]

Jackson, Luca, one of you. What were the last things Jacob said in the mason thread before he replaced out?

On night start, he said that he was here and that it probably makes sense to look at Dann's reads since he's confirmed town. Then he was goneso and in I pop

If I were a mason who had already started building a rapport with my fellow mason, I don't think I'd leave without an apology or a goodbye

[ketchup777]

Jackson, Luca, one of you. What were the last things Jacob said in the mason thread before he replaced out?

I remember without looking that he said maybe we should take Dann's reads into account as he flipped town.

despite the fact that Dann's 3 main scum reads were all confirmed town?

Now look at the thread and tell me, specifically(if paraphrased), what were Jacob's last two messages in the mason PT?

Yes, as I said Jacob was barely playing the game by that point.

I think his second to last message was 'I'm here btw' or something.

He was, in fact, not here

[ketchup777]

Jackson, Luca, one of you. What were the last things Jacob said in the mason thread before he replaced out?

On night start, he said that he was here and that it probably makes sense to look at Dann's reads since he's confirmed town. Then he was goneso and in I pop

If I were a mason who had already started building a rapport with my fellow mason, I don't think I'd leave without an apology or a goodbye

You would make a great mason.

((:

[ketchup777]

I have to go for tea in like 60 seconds, rushed post incoming.

Jacob's last post is 1037

Why would a Mason leave on accusing his partner?

Luca also accused him in 1049

Why end it all like this? And don't just say lack of investment

Back soon

[ketchup777]

i guess biggest potential issue w no lim is that hutao misses and scum just optimize the voter pool for an even more likely mislim tomorrow. wifom would keep trajectories from meaningfully updating.

yeah I don’t think no lim is the play

[ketchup777]

I'm writing up a deeper analysis of Gypyx as we speak, I want to try and write it in a way that removes as much bias as I can as well as outlining the assumptions that I can catch that I am using to come to the conclusion that I have but I'm only human so if anyt hing seems confusing please just ask me, I'll disclaim this again when it's ready to send. I'm about halfway done but I'm not fully expecting it to be finished before I go to sleep.

sounds good.

I stayed away for an hour or so let some thoughts simmer. I am going to also try go through as many possible different scenarios as possible, and as many different 'If X is scum, then Y is/isn’t' as possible. Will they all connect at a neat centre? Who knows? let’s go for it

[ketchup777]

i mean, this game is basically me vs psyche on one side and JV + Luca vs Hu Tao + Outworld on the other

speaking from a mechanical sense at least

I need to see if black is clearable for sure

[ketchup777]

and me i guess since i think Outworld wouldn't claim a role with such anti-synergy with the claim of his partner (psyche)

I shall consider all. Nobody escapes the harsh scrutiny of my gaze, except me to save time (sorry others).

[ketchup777]

anyways now that the rage is kinda going down i'm still a bit pissed at the delayed mason claim but at least it's consistent with jackson's play through the day

I don't think, if they are masons, to delay is completely unreasonable, although they did leave it perchance a bit late, scary times.

[ketchup777]

Jackson was the one who made this mistake though, not Black. Unless Black told him as much in the PT...?

I only brought up the mistake as an example of something people can push as an Obvious Scumslip even though there's nothing to it. speaking of which, i want to resurface this question:

I'm not caught, I made a simple mistake you're blowing up because you have fucking nothing except "omg they're all piling on me" and "lol he made a mistake he's conf wolf"

We already lost too much time from the massclaim to just waste it further on your superficial "just in case" plan

We mass claimed in like 12 hours of the day starting, I wouldn't say we lost any time at all

Shh don't tell anybody, I clicked the page 60 on my spam through the pages to see the last VC which I thought was at a particular page and thought we had a day left in a panic

It hasn't been your only mistake though Jackson

but ketchuppp. how does the mistake say anything about jackson's win condition? what does jackson win for pretending he doesn't know the difference between a neapolitan and a vanilla cop? do you really think he was hoping to ride that to your elimination? where does this thought process go?

I don't think I ever answered this, but you're right this thought probably terminates here

[ketchup777]

Idk I’ve never played before, is this normal?

Yeah this isn't typically out of the ordinary given the information that's public*
Waiting on Luca and then I'm gonna analyse the game

This was also a soft that I was withholding information, forgot to call this one out. The asterix in particular

cool

[ketchup777]

anyways now that the rage is kinda going down i'm still a bit pissed at the delayed mason claim but at least it's consistent with jackson's play through the day

I don't think, if they are masons, to delay is completely unreasonable, although they did leave it perchance a bit late, scary times.

I think this day would've been way more productive for all of us if jackson confirmed himself as town rather than what's happening now where i just don't know if he's scum or town

at least we have a lot of reactions and stuff to analyse

[ketchup777]

20.71 posts per day OH GOD

[ketchup777]

i mean, this game is basically me vs psyche on one side and JV + Luca vs Hu Tao + Outworld on the other

speaking from a mechanical sense at least

This is just outright wrong if you're insinuating we think the solve is hutao/outworld. We're currently under the current assumption, both of us so we're fairly confident, that it's Gypyx/Black/Outworld as the likely solve. I personally think that if you're a wolf, there has also got to be a wolf in your initial solve which is Psyche, Black and myself and well we both know (luca and I) that it's not me so I'm trying to sort between Psyche and Black. I am thinking Black is the most likely given the two choices considering how everything has gone down so that's where I'm lined up at the moment

Hu Tao makes a good point that it's unlikely to be her without Outworld, but I also don't see both being paired so I think it's just Outworld and the neapolitan was made specifically to find the three roles that would otherwise be confirmed town which would be the masonry and then the vigilante. I am not sure why they are Macho which is the one thing tripping me up but considering it's either true, or a fake-claim I think it's just gotta be a fakeclaim made for a specific purpose but I am tripping myself up over that in particular. If it's not you as a wolf, and it's truly Psyche it would need to also be Psyche/Black because you are not hammered.

With this in mind, as a rogue thought it might genuinely be optimal to eliminate Black moreso than either one of you in the off chance that I am wrong but I doubt that gets swung and that does make me feel a little uncomfortable because it's less certain to me than my read on you for instance.

Please chill out this is only what i am viewing, i'm actually trying to redo things better, not sticking this view onto you

i do agree that this is maybe a bit hasty of me to put your "ennemy duo" as Hu Tao / Outworld but please remember that if you think Hu + Psyche are town you're stuck with a setup that looks like this

Mason
Mason
Odd-N vig
Odd-N JKer
1-shot Watcher

which is a lot of town power, not counteractable without heaps of scum power... which we haven't really seen? And i don't think a rolecop would be sufficient

i need to look at the current wagons to see what they mean from my PoV

How would we be able to see the scum power?

[ketchup777]

i mean, this game is basically me vs psyche on one side and JV + Luca vs Hu Tao + Outworld on the other

speaking from a mechanical sense at least

This is just outright wrong if you're insinuating we think the solve is hutao/outworld. We're currently under the current assumption, both of us so we're fairly confident, that it's Gypyx/Black/Outworld as the likely solve. I personally think that if you're a wolf, there has also got to be a wolf in your initial solve which is Psyche, Black and myself and well we both know (luca and I) that it's not me so I'm trying to sort between Psyche and Black. I am thinking Black is the most likely given the two choices considering how everything has gone down so that's where I'm lined up at the moment

Hu Tao makes a good point that it's unlikely to be her without Outworld, but I also don't see both being paired so I think it's just Outworld and the neapolitan was made specifically to find the three roles that would otherwise be confirmed town which would be the masonry and then the vigilante. I am not sure why they are Macho which is the one thing tripping me up but considering it's either true, or a fake-claim I think it's just gotta be a fakeclaim made for a specific purpose but I am tripping myself up over that in particular. If it's not you as a wolf, and it's truly Psyche it would need to also be Psyche/Black because you are not hammered.

With this in mind, as a rogue thought it might genuinely be optimal to eliminate Black moreso than either one of you in the off chance that I am wrong but I doubt that gets swung and that does make me feel a little uncomfortable because it's less certain to me than my read on you for instance.

Please chill out this is only what i am viewing, i'm actually trying to redo things better, not sticking this view onto you

i do agree that this is maybe a bit hasty of me to put your "ennemy duo" as Hu Tao / Outworld but please remember that if you think Hu + Psyche are town you're stuck with a setup that looks like this

Mason
Mason
Odd-N vig
Odd-N JKer
1-shot Watcher

which is a lot of town power, not counteractable without heaps of scum power... which we haven't really seen? And i don't think a rolecop would be sufficient

i need to look at the current wagons to see what they mean from my PoV

How would we be able to see the scum power?

Actions failing to get performed, scum succefully hitting sneaky town PRs, kills going trough protection, etc...

right

[ketchup777]

I knew he had yet to claim a result, but that's public info

He could have watched me and not had anything to claim, like Hu Yap’s done with whoever she allegedly jailkeeped

gtg for a walk for an hour

…how?!

He was a claimed investigative that didn't claim his actions yet...

I know I was in a rush but Hu Yap? lmfao

[ketchup777]

hey Psyche how about you walk back the watcher claim and we just become buddies

bet. i was just lying about being a watcher and you being scum as a reaction test. and also ketchup failed

failed what?

[ketchup777]

What's so hard about claiming who you blocked?

He does raise a good point. If Hu Tao and OutWorld both fakeclaimed, they'd know there was hidden town power, and so be reluctant to reveal the block

[ketchup777]

What's so hard about claiming who you blocked?

He does raise a good point. If Hu Tao and OutWorld both fakeclaimed, they'd know there was hidden town power, and so be reluctant to reveal the block

So if Hu Tao and Outworld are scum, who can Hu Tao claim to block? (By the way, we know it's not Hu Tao/OutWorld/Psyche from the logic in 2369).
Not Psyche or OutWorld (conflicts with power roles)
Not Drew (bro died so jailkeep would have prevented this)
Me, Luca, Jackson, or Black.
I think it would make most sense to jailkeep me, Drew or Luca as the most likely nightkills. And it's not Drew. But me and Luca claimed last so we could be a closeted power role so the block claim is too risky.

This does look a whole lot more dodgy to not block claim now Hu Tao

[ketchup777]

What's so hard about claiming who you blocked?

He does raise a good point. If Hu Tao and OutWorld both fakeclaimed, they'd know there was hidden town power, and so be reluctant to reveal the block

So if Hu Tao and Outworld are scum, who can Hu Tao claim to block? (By the way, we know it's not Hu Tao/OutWorld/Psyche from the logic in 2369).
Not Psyche or OutWorld (conflicts with power roles)
Not Drew (bro died so jailkeep would have prevented this)
Me, Luca, Jackson, or Black.
I think it would make most sense to jailkeep me, Drew or Luca as the most likely nightkills. And it's not Drew. But me and Luca claimed last so we could be a closeted power role so the block claim is too risky.

This does look a whole lot more dodgy to not block claim now Hu Tao

could have been* I'm VT

[ketchup777]

What's so hard about claiming who you blocked?

He does raise a good point. If Hu Tao and OutWorld both fakeclaimed, they'd know there was hidden town power, and so be reluctant to reveal the block

So if Hu Tao and Outworld are scum, who can Hu Tao claim to block? (By the way, we know it's not Hu Tao/OutWorld/Psyche from the logic in 2369).
Not Psyche or OutWorld (conflicts with power roles)
Not Drew (bro died so jailkeep would have prevented this)
Me, Luca, Jackson, or Black.
I think it would make most sense to jailkeep me, Drew or Luca as the most likely nightkills. And it's not Drew. But me and Luca claimed last so we could be a closeted power role so the block claim is too risky.

This does look a whole lot more dodgy to not block claim now Hu Tao

could have been* I'm VT

It would probably make the most for her to say she jailkept me, as this would line up with OutWorld's VT claim and not dilute their claims. idkkk

[ketchup777]

I was never asking for no reason, and the refusal to answer a simple question looked horrid

Yes, sorry, my half-hearted slight try to help you push and slight protecting of Hu Tao was detrimental to us

[ketchup777]

Anyway, got a "date" that I gotta go to so catch you all later

What happened to your girlfriend? ):

[ketchup777]

I am baffled at how the game is suddenly shifting to sanity

you know when in rpgs after they're done with raging barbarians have a moment of cooldown

this is our moment here

As I think I said at some point before, the speed at which the game was moving felt almost as if the mafia didn't want to let us stop and gather our thoughts. A Gypyx/Hu Tao/OutWorld team possibly planned to let Gypyx do all the talking and bring the day into chaos while Hu Tao and OutWorld could sit back in the shadows and not be accused of turning the day into chaos? idk

[ketchup777]

Anyway, got a "date" that I gotta go to so catch you all later

What happened to your girlfriend? ):

Lmao I call it a date cuz it's funny, just hopping in a voice call to do weekly meetings with my co-owner of my discord mafia server. We call it e-dating cuz it's hilarious and we have a warped sense of humour

lol okeyyyy

[ketchup777]

For me and ower to be scum together it would need to be masons with 1 shot watcher and an odd night vig? Not balanced imo

I think we didn't place enough weight on you ignoring to say who to block. I might try rectify this now

[ketchup777]

No elim might be the best option here, actually no. It is the best option

VOTE: no elim

Can you change that to an unvote please. Come on Jackson, scum can hammer a no elim and get it to a 1 in 3

[ketchup777]

UNVOTE: sure

thank you. I think my logic was slightly flawed, as we get 2 nights not 1, but I still want more time to think. Have fun on fake date

[ketchup777]

No elim might be the best option here, actually no. It is the best option

VOTE: no elim

Can you change that to an unvote please. Come on Jackson, scum can hammer a no elim and get it to a 1 in 3

assuming we even have a jailkeeper

[ketchup777]

For me and ower to be scum together it would need to be masons with 1 shot watcher and an odd night vig? Not balanced imo

Which side are you claiming has an advantage in this hypothetical setup?

[ketchup777]

I am baffled at how the game is suddenly shifting to sanity

you know when in rpgs after they're done with raging barbarians have a moment of cooldown

this is our moment here

As I think I said at some point before, the speed at which the game was moving felt almost as if the mafia didn't want to let us stop and gather our thoughts. A Gypyx/Hu Tao/OutWorld team possibly planned to let Gypyx do all the talking and bring the day into chaos while Hu Tao and OutWorld could sit back in the shadows and not be accused of turning the day into chaos? idk

honestly while i'm all for being an agent of chaos i hope you do realize that me tripling my postcount in a single day comes from a place of earnestness

you can't fabricate that, this day has been a mindfuck and i wanna pull through, i simply would be way less motivated as a designated fall guy

have you actually tripled? that's awesome.

[ketchup777]

watcher*

no. It can't be Hu Tao/OutWorld/Psyche by the logic in 2396

[ketchup777]

sorry, I remembered the wrong number. one sec

[ketchup777]

I am baffled at how the game is suddenly shifting to sanity

you know when in rpgs after they're done with raging barbarians have a moment of cooldown

this is our moment here

As I think I said at some point before, the speed at which the game was moving felt almost as if the mafia didn't want to let us stop and gather our thoughts. A Gypyx/Hu Tao/OutWorld team possibly planned to let Gypyx do all the talking and bring the day into chaos while Hu Tao and OutWorld could sit back in the shadows and not be accused of turning the day into chaos? idk

honestly while i'm all for being an agent of chaos i hope you do realize that me tripling my postcount in a single day comes from a place of earnestness

you can't fabricate that, this day has been a mindfuck and i wanna pull through, i simply would be way less motivated as a designated fall guy

have you actually tripled? that's awesome.

I was at like 150 at start of day and now i'm nearing 600

don't think that as awesome as you put it lmao

it's funny though

[ketchup777]

watcher*

no. It can't be Hu Tao/OutWorld/Psyche by the logic in 2396

2369**

[ketchup777]

watcher*

no. It can't be Hu Tao/OutWorld/Psyche by the logic in 2396

good catch

actually there aren't really any world where scum!hu makes sense then

maybe not from your POV. I can't rule out Hu Tao/OutWorld/you yet, ofc

[ketchup777]

Spoiler:

iamveryhappy has died! They were a

Vanilla Townie.

DeltaWave has died! She was a

Vanilla Townie.

Day Two begins now.

holy crap
I did not see either of these coming

I thought the dead would be one of me, black, hu tao or luca.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

is the only way for a second person to die a vigilante?

Tbh I thought Luca would die. but I guess their meta was wrong so maybe that's why scum kept them alive. Still think they are town.

Spoiler:

iamveryhappy has died! They were a

Vanilla Townie.

DeltaWave has died! She was a

Vanilla Townie.

Day Two begins now.

holy crap
I did not see either of these coming

I thought the dead would be one of me, black, hu tao or luca.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

is the only way for a second person to die a vigilante?

I can see why scum might want me and Lucca dead but why you and Hu Tao?

Spoiler:

iamveryhappy has died! They were a

Vanilla Townie.

DeltaWave has died! She was a

Vanilla Townie.

Day Two begins now.

holy crap
I did not see either of these coming

I thought the dead would be one of me, black, hu tao or luca.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

is the only way for a second person to die a vigilante?

Why would they have killed you? You’ve been suspected by multiple people.

Spoiler: my thoughts recently in post 2845

What's so hard about claiming who you blocked?

He does raise a good point. If Hu Tao and OutWorld both fakeclaimed, they'd know there was hidden town power, and so be reluctant to reveal the block

So if Hu Tao and Outworld are scum, who can Hu Tao claim to block? (By the way, we know it's not Hu Tao/OutWorld/Psyche from the logic in 2369).
Not Psyche or OutWorld (conflicts with power roles)
Not Drew (bro died so jailkeep would have prevented this)
Me, Luca, Jackson, or Black.
I think it would make most sense to jailkeep me, Drew or Luca as the most likely nightkills. And it's not Drew. But me and Luca claimed last so we could be a closeted power role so the block claim is too risky.

This does look a whole lot more dodgy to not block claim now Hu Tao

could have been* I'm VT

It would probably make the most for her to say she jailkept me, as this would line up with OutWorld's VT claim and not dilute their claims. idkkk

No. I was wrong in 2845. Look at the quotes above this. It was clear at the start of day 2 that:

Black did not think I would be the nightkill

Project did not think I would be the nightkill

And, crucially:

Hu Tao said she thought Luca would be the nightkill.

So it would make the most sense for her to claim she jailkept Luca. But for the fact that she suspected someone/some people to be hiding a PR claim, and Luca, who orchestrated the mass claim and claimed last, was decently likely to be hiding his role. So claiming the block was in fact too risky.

cased?

Fixed spoiler tags.

- Alianna

[ketchup777]

what the hell happened to the formatting

[ketchup777]

Ketchup what are the odds to you that I'm scum

I don't know I'm not a bookmakers

[ketchup777]

you need to put an "=" in the spoiler tag, manually

i'm also not trying to decipher this mess of a post so you better tl;dr your points

I'm sorry it was actually a very short post

[ketchup777]

Votecount 3.8

Votecount 3.8

Gypyx (2):

Psyche, Black

Psyche (2):

Gypyx, Hu Tao

Not Voting (4):

Luca Blight, OutWorldER, ketchup777, JacksonVirgo

With 8 Alive, it takes 5 to secure an execution, and 4 to secure a no execution.

Day Three ends in (expired on 2024-02-19 03:52:11)

Mod Notes

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Hi Alianna, please could you fix my formatting of the post just above yours? thanks so much

[ketchup777]

oh you got in before me! thank you thank you thank you.

[ketchup777]

you need to put an "=" in the spoiler tag, manually

i'm also not trying to decipher this mess of a post so you better tl;dr your points

come on, it's not a mess now. offer thoughts

[ketchup777]

you need to put an "=" in the spoiler tag, manually

i'm also not trying to decipher this mess of a post so you better tl;dr your points

come on, it's not a mess now. offer thoughts

If Hu Tao is scum, who could she safely claim to jailkeep? I thought me but in fact the only one she could safely do, if she or her scum friends realised, is Luca. But he could have been a closeted investigative or something

[ketchup777]

jailkeeper can also be used offensively you realize that? like, on scum, supicious people

I realise that. But you have higher odds of success on someone you think will die, right? trying to hit a scum when you don't even know who they are, let alone who will make the nightkill, seems like a lot more guesswork

[ketchup777]

sorry i'm being rude again, really trying to keep my cool

you're all good. clarifying things is always welcome

[ketchup777]

oh great the last paragraphs says it all

i think honestly it's reasonable for hu tao to be suspicious of Jv's behaviour, i especially think this wouldn't really bar her for claiming a JK on luca since it was JV pressing her, even if she was scum and suspecting some town power was hidden, Luca didn't really look to be acting like a PR

Oh yeah sorry I didnt realise that wasnt fully clear.

I myself thought Luca was a power role, at least before the mass claim. The fact that Luca made sure he went last would be safest to not leak a useful power role and gather as much information as possible

[ketchup777]

jailkeeper can also be used offensively you realize that? like, on scum, supicious people

I realise that. But you have higher odds of success on someone you think will die, right? trying to hit a scum when you don't even know who they are, let alone who will make the nightkill, seems like a lot more guesswork

Tbh i've never had the role but i absolutely would be more comfortable blocking scum actions rather than potentially messing with town

welp I would def go the other way

[ketchup777]

My full Gypyx case

Spoiler:

I am deliberately not going to open this post for now, I'm going to try to get my own thoughts and if blah then blah thoughts down that I haven't done yet. Excited to read all your thoughts though, this should be really useful. But I want to ignore bias

[ketchup777]

I think mafia!Hu Tao had to gamble between downplaying not revealing her block and risking running into an unclaimed PR, and she would deem the former more likely to lead to success

[ketchup777]

VOTE:

My full Gypyx case

Spoiler:

Spoiler: my full retort

does this count as an unvote?

[ketchup777]

whoops missclick

VOTE: Psyche

in case this made anything go away

right

[ketchup777]

My full Gypyx case

Spoiler:

I am deliberately not going to open this post for now, I'm going to try to get my own thoughts and if blah then blah thoughts down that I haven't done yet. Excited to read all your thoughts though, this should be really useful. But I want to ignore bias

wait never mind LOL I opened the post to gage the length hahahahaha

[ketchup777]

My full Gypyx case

Spoiler:

I am deliberately not going to open this post for now, I'm going to try to get my own thoughts and if blah then blah thoughts down that I haven't done yet. Excited to read all your thoughts though, this should be really useful. But I want to ignore bias

wait never mind LOL I opened the post to gage the length hahahahaha

gauge

[ketchup777]

oh great the last paragraphs says it all

i think honestly it's reasonable for hu tao to be suspicious of Jv's behaviour, i especially think this wouldn't really bar her for claiming a JK on luca since it was JV pressing her, even if she was scum and suspecting some town power was hidden, Luca didn't really look to be acting like a PR

Oh yeah sorry I didnt realise that wasnt fully clear.

I myself thought Luca was a power role, at least before the mass claim. The fact that Luca made sure he went last would be safest to not leak a useful power role and gather as much information as possible

Luca going last is also good practice in the event of him being the most TR'd slot

sure. but it's not off the cards that he's a closeted PR (I mean, he was, lol)

[ketchup777]

I think mafia!Hu Tao had to gamble between downplaying not revealing her block and risking running into an unclaimed PR, and she would deem the former more likely to lead to success

she could always simply claim to have done it on 1 of her scumbuddies or on a pretty inconspicuous looking VT, for instance i doubt anyone would really have doubted you were an actual VT and you were a realistic protection target

How would anyone know I'm a VT? how can you tell the difference between a VT and a power role, assuming you haven't found any crumbs? If the team is Hu Tao / OutWorld / Gypyx,

both Hu Tao and Outworld would be exposed if I were a closeted power role.

That seems too great a risk to take, even if they had lots of suspicion coming into this day, Hu Tao had a lot more than OutWorld

[ketchup777]

I think mafia!Hu Tao had to gamble between downplaying not revealing her block and risking running into an unclaimed PR, and she would deem the former more likely to lead to success

she could always simply claim to have done it on 1 of her scumbuddies or on a pretty inconspicuous looking VT, for instance i doubt anyone would really have doubted you were an actual VT and you were a realistic protection target

How would anyone know I'm a VT? how can you tell the difference between a VT and a power role, assuming you haven't found any crumbs? If the team is Hu Tao / OutWorld / Gypyx,

both Hu Tao and Outworld would be exposed if I were a closeted power role.

That seems too great a risk to take, even if they had lots of suspicion coming into this day, Hu Tao had a lot more than OutWorld

both would be exposed if Hu Tao claimed she blocked me and I contradicted her**

[ketchup777]

Basically this game is not going forward until ketchup votes psyche or black/ower do something

I don't think it will prove anything at this point in time, and even if it would, it's too risky.

[ketchup777]

I think mafia!Hu Tao had to gamble between downplaying not revealing her block and risking running into an unclaimed PR, and she would deem the former more likely to lead to success

she could always simply claim to have done it on 1 of her scumbuddies or on a pretty inconspicuous looking VT, for instance i doubt anyone would really have doubted you were an actual VT and you were a realistic protection target

How would anyone know I'm a VT? how can you tell the difference between a VT and a power role, assuming you haven't found any crumbs? If the team is Hu Tao / OutWorld / Gypyx,

both Hu Tao and Outworld would be exposed if I were a closeted power role.

That seems too great a risk to take, even if they had lots of suspicion coming into this day, Hu Tao had a lot more than OutWorld

So you're implying I'm scum and not actually a jail keeper?

I am exploring your refusal to reveal your block, yes. Please see 2885

[ketchup777]

I think mafia!Hu Tao had to gamble between downplaying not revealing her block and risking running into an unclaimed PR, and she would deem the former more likely to lead to success

she could always simply claim to have done it on 1 of her scumbuddies or on a pretty inconspicuous looking VT, for instance i doubt anyone would really have doubted you were an actual VT and you were a realistic protection target

anyway, mafia!Hu Tao doesn't want to create a larger web of lies than necessary. If she claims a block, she has to justify her reasons, then justify her justifications, then...

[ketchup777]

My full Gypyx case

Spoiler:

I am deliberately not going to open this post for now, I'm going to try to get my own thoughts and if blah then blah thoughts down that I haven't done yet. Excited to read all your thoughts though, this should be really useful. But I want to ignore bias

ketchup just need you to know that you're comedy gold and i actually love you

thanks ly too (:

[ketchup777]

Also if I was scum OWER we could have just said that he got blocked n1. Either way I had a safe choice for jk.

Two things on that:

1. Could OWER differentiate between being blocked and getting no result 'cos dead person.

2. No, because why would you have gone for OWER? come on, let's stop these mind games. as town you shouldn't fear me backing you into the truth, as scum you should fear me narrowing your options.

Hu Tao
Who
did
you
block

[ketchup777]

My full Gypyx case

Spoiler:

I am deliberately not going to open this post for now, I'm going to try to get my own thoughts and if blah then blah thoughts down that I haven't done yet. Excited to read all your thoughts though, this should be really useful. But I want to ignore bias

ketchup just need you to know that you're comedy gold and i actually love you

He's gonna be blown away by my perfect analysis skills here

Unfortunate. ):

[ketchup777]

Also if I was scum OWER we could have just said that he got blocked n1. Either way I had a safe choice for jk.

Two things on that:

1. Could OWER differentiate between being blocked and getting no result 'cos dead person.

2. No, because why would you have gone for OWER? come on, let's stop these mind games. as town you shouldn't fear me backing you into the truth, as scum you should fear me narrowing your options.

Hu Tao
Who
did
you
block

This makes 0 sense. And as I said it makes no difference so no need to claim it.

I think it's going to make a difference to me. Please. I want to know, even if it's past the best time to claim it.

[ketchup777]

Ketchup. You realize the only way I'm scum is with ower and gypyx.

So if I was scum with one of them. Why couldn't I talk to them in the mafia pt and say I'm going to claim a jk on them n1?

ermm I suspect that but keep delaying my all possible scumteams analysis, so not sure on that yet

Being coordinated doesn't magically mean your jailkeep will make sense. If you are teamed with Outworld/Gypyx, it seems unlikely either of these would be a good jailkeep target, they were both very much middle ground

[ketchup777]

Hu i think we're past the point where logic is gonna make ketchup back down, you probably don't gain anything from holding off anyways

you tell her mummy scummy

[ketchup777]

Also if I was scum OWER we could have just said that he got blocked n1. Either way I had a safe choice for jk.

Two things on that:

1. Could OWER differentiate between being blocked and getting no result 'cos dead person.

2. No, because why would you have gone for OWER? come on, let's stop these mind games. as town you shouldn't fear me backing you into the truth, as scum you should fear me narrowing your options.

Hu Tao
Who
did
you
block

1. yes

2. Because ower was slightly scummy but still is an extremely good candidate for performing the nightkill?

2. look, I know I'm new to the meta. It just seems mafia!hu tao wouldn't want to restrict her options and create more lies than necessary

[ketchup777]

Hu i think we're past the point where logic is gonna make ketchup back down, you probably don't gain anything from holding off anyways

you tell her mummy scummy

i'm getting gender affirmation from this and i don't like it

pronouns: she/her

[ketchup777]

My full Gypyx case

Spoiler:

I am deliberately not going to open this post for now, I'm going to try to get my own thoughts and if blah then blah thoughts down that I haven't done yet. Excited to read all your thoughts though, this should be really useful. But I want to ignore bias

ketchup just need you to know that you're comedy gold and i actually love you

He's gonna be blown away by my perfect analysis skills here

litterally shaking and crying over here

anyways i'm out for tonight, this one should be for realsies

sleepy time gypy

[ketchup777]

If i was scum why would I not just say I blocked gypyx n1. That would be a confirmed fake claim I wouldn't have to do any guesses.

'cos like jailkeeping Gypyx is an absolute diceroll. why would you not try jailkeep-protect likely-nightkill-Luca, surely the odds of town success must turn out higher

[ketchup777]

I think mafia!Hu Tao had to gamble between downplaying not revealing her block and risking running into an unclaimed PR, and she would deem the former more likely to lead to success

she could always simply claim to have done it on 1 of her scumbuddies or on a pretty inconspicuous looking VT, for instance i doubt anyone would really have doubted you were an actual VT and you were a realistic protection target

How would anyone know I'm a VT? how can you tell the difference between a VT and a power role, assuming you haven't found any crumbs? If the team is Hu Tao / OutWorld / Gypyx,

both Hu Tao and Outworld would be exposed if I were a closeted power role.

That seems too great a risk to take, even if they had lots of suspicion coming into this day, Hu Tao had a lot more than OutWorld

1. You certainely didn't go against outworld when he claimed to have a VT result on you, and while you *could* have kept it holstered i think you would've gotten pretty excited about it

2. Outworld is probably a mafia Neapolitan who's trueclaiming

1. fair point
2. But if Outworld is mafia who are his teammates?

[ketchup777]

Hu i think we're past the point where logic is gonna make ketchup back down, you probably don't gain anything from holding off anyways

you tell her mummy scummy

i'm getting gender affirmation from this and i don't like it

pronouns: she/her

yeah those are certainely mine

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[ketchup777]

well um

break time it seems

can you answer my last point before you go? pretty please.

then break

[ketchup777]

well um

break time it seems

can you answer my last point before you go? pretty please.

then break

(post 2960)

[ketchup777]

Also if I was scum OWER we could have just said that he got blocked n1. Either way I had a safe choice for jk.

Two things on that:

1. Could OWER differentiate between being blocked and getting no result 'cos dead person.

2. No, because why would you have gone for OWER? come on, let's stop these mind games. as town you shouldn't fear me backing you into the truth, as scum you should fear me narrowing your options.

Hu Tao
Who
did
you
block

1. yes

2. Because ower was slightly scummy but still is an extremely good candidate for performing the nightkill?

2. look, I know I'm new to the meta. It just seems mafia!hu tao wouldn't want to restrict her options and create more lies than necessary

yes scum want things to go smoothly, i'm just calling you mistaken in your theory that "smoothly" would be hu tao stubbornly refusing to claim her night action rather than simply taking a educated guess that has a .5% chance of backfiring but afterwards she's basically out of the woods

it also assures her scum can't use any claim she makes to try to frame her, as maybe she used her night action on someone she fears could do that

it has to be more than .5%

don't worry about answering this before bedtime

[ketchup777]

Ketchup, that answer should be obvious given the circumstances

I know, here's what I had pretyped:

From your POV, if OutWorld is scum:

Psyche is also scum because he red-checked you.
This means Jackson and Luca are masons or some similar gambitters.
You think I'm town.
You know you're town.
If Psyche and Outworld are scum, Hu Tao cannot also be scum (logic in 2369)
So you think it's Psyche/Outworld/Black?


Then I decided to test Gypyx and see if she came to the same thing

[ketchup777]

my attention is still divided and all this is moving too fast for me to meaningfully digest. is there anything i need to address right now?

why did you not see Luca visiting Drew too?

thinking of traps, was this meant to be a trap for psyche? or what were you thinking. I was confused at the time but didn't comment in case it was a gambit

[ketchup777]

please don't give me a reason to come back to this thread

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please no rush to answer me don't answer me don't answer me put the phone AWAY

[ketchup777]

My full Gypyx case

Spoiler:

I am deliberately not going to open this post for now, I'm going to try to get my own thoughts and if blah then blah thoughts down that I haven't done yet. Excited to read all your thoughts though, this should be really useful. But I want to ignore bias

ketchup just need you to know that you're comedy gold and i actually love you

He's gonna be blown away by my perfect analysis skills here

litterally shaking and crying over here

anyways i'm out for tonight, this one should be for realsies

sleepy time gypy

i need to tell this thread i'm going to sleep like 4 times before being able to ok

you've definitely used up at least 3 of these times I think
just one more gypy dippy

[ketchup777]

V/LA for at least 2 days

My computer is running into unforeseen technical issues and I have to do a bunch of bullshit to try and get it to stop giving me an aneurysm

sorry i know people are waiting on me for stuff but I need to take care of this first and it might involve ordering new parts/sending it to a repair person so

uh oh. what technical issues?

[ketchup777]

I think mafia!Hu Tao had to gamble between downplaying not revealing her block and risking running into an unclaimed PR, and she would deem the former more likely to lead to success

she could always simply claim to have done it on 1 of her scumbuddies or on a pretty inconspicuous looking VT, for instance i doubt anyone would really have doubted you were an actual VT and you were a realistic protection target

How would anyone know I'm a VT? how can you tell the difference between a VT and a power role, assuming you haven't found any crumbs? If the team is Hu Tao / OutWorld / Gypyx,

both Hu Tao and Outworld would be exposed if I were a closeted power role.

That seems too great a risk to take, even if they had lots of suspicion coming into this day, Hu Tao had a lot more than OutWorld

1. You certainely didn't go against outworld when he claimed to have a VT result on you, and while you *could* have kept it holstered i think you would've gotten pretty excited about it

2. Outworld is probably a mafia Neapolitan who's trueclaiming

1. fair point
2. But if Outworld is mafia who are his teammates?

2 : Psyche / Black, does this make sense to you? I don't really buy the idea of a Outworld / You scumteam but if it really gets down to it we kill outworld first and depending on how he flips reevaluate accordingly

still very much more confident it's outworld / psyche / black

also holy shit just realized that's the scumteam i PM'd thomith start of night 2

Gypyx is proud of herself

I know masons have changed things. Weren't you like, so confident it was Jackson at one point you were almost going to vote him over 100%-from-your-POV known scum Psyche?

[ketchup777]

my attention is still divided and all this is moving too fast for me to meaningfully digest. is there anything i need to address right now?

why did you not see Luca visiting Drew too?

thinking of traps, was this meant to be a trap for psyche? or what were you thinking. I was confused at the time but didn't comment in case it was a gambit

Yeah absolutely, psyche didn't respond from what i recall so it's not been too fruitful although if you are in the mood to entertain my ramblings i'm saying this is kinda in line with him being afraid scum who doesn't want to slip, town would *at least* want to call me out on this shit eating trap i think

he seems pretty burnt out anyways so maybe i'm holding him to innapropriate standarts

ok thanks for honesty

[ketchup777]

My full Gypyx case

Spoiler:

I am deliberately not going to open this post for now, I'm going to try to get my own thoughts and if blah then blah thoughts down that I haven't done yet. Excited to read all your thoughts though, this should be really useful. But I want to ignore bias

ketchup just need you to know that you're comedy gold and i actually love you

He's gonna be blown away by my perfect analysis skills here

litterally shaking and crying over here

anyways i'm out for tonight, this one should be for realsies

sleepy time gypy

i need to tell this thread i'm going to sleep like 4 times before being able to ok

you've definitely used up at least 3 of these times I think
just one more gypy dippy

If you're calling me gypy dippy one more time i'm bringing angry Gypyx back

I'm sorry, I was trying to think if there were any funny rhymes I could do and it was too good of an opportunity to be missed (;

[ketchup777]

I think mafia!Hu Tao had to gamble between downplaying not revealing her block and risking running into an unclaimed PR, and she would deem the former more likely to lead to success

she could always simply claim to have done it on 1 of her scumbuddies or on a pretty inconspicuous looking VT, for instance i doubt anyone would really have doubted you were an actual VT and you were a realistic protection target

How would anyone know I'm a VT? how can you tell the difference between a VT and a power role, assuming you haven't found any crumbs? If the team is Hu Tao / OutWorld / Gypyx,

both Hu Tao and Outworld would be exposed if I were a closeted power role.

That seems too great a risk to take, even if they had lots of suspicion coming into this day, Hu Tao had a lot more than OutWorld

1. You certainely didn't go against outworld when he claimed to have a VT result on you, and while you *could* have kept it holstered i think you would've gotten pretty excited about it

2. Outworld is probably a mafia Neapolitan who's trueclaiming

1. fair point
2. But if Outworld is mafia who are his teammates?

2 : Psyche / Black, does this make sense to you? I don't really buy the idea of a Outworld / You scumteam but if it really gets down to it we kill outworld first and depending on how he flips reevaluate accordingly

still very much more confident it's outworld / psyche / black

also holy shit just realized that's the scumteam i PM'd thomith start of night 2

Gypyx is proud of herself

I know masons have changed things. Weren't you like, so confident it was Jackson at one point you were almost going to vote him over 100%-from-your-POV known scum Psyche?

i was being very emotional + as you've said mason claims basically reshaped the PoE and now that i'm calmed down i'm feeling good enough to actually admit that i was wrong on jackson and that he's very probably mason, i'm back in a world where things make sense

at lot of it was due to how bad things got between us, really not proud of that

ok! yeah it was painfully heated

[ketchup777]

please don't give me a reason to come back to this thread

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please no rush to answer me don't answer me don't answer me put the phone AWAY

No impulse control

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[ketchup777]

Everyone should supply their suggested solve, mine is { Gypyx, Black, Outworld }

I don't think I have one standout for sure, thankfully this thread is about to reach dormant phase so I may actually get around to the analysis I keep putting off that I've been needing to do for ages.

potentially most likely but wouldn't be surprised if I were wrong: Hu Tao, Outworld, Gypyx

[ketchup777]

potentially most likely but wouldn't be surprised if I were wrong: Hu Tao, Outworld, Gypyx

You're SRing gypyx now?

Jackson, I have no idea. *grabs sultanas* It's finally analysis time

[ketchup777]

Everyone should supply their suggested solve, mine is { Gypyx, Black, Outworld }

I don't think I have one standout for sure, thankfully this thread is about to reach dormant phase so I may actually get around to the analysis I keep putting off that I've been needing to do for ages.

potentially most likely but wouldn't be surprised if I were wrong: Hu Tao, Outworld, Gypyx

Please just end the game then. I don't want to wait 8 days to lose

lol Hu Tao I have made it clear I will not rush. I did that to Dannflor and it did not go well

[ketchup777]

Is that post 3000 I see?

I thought you'd want it (:

blooping post 3000s is the new thing Alianna

[ketchup777]

Everyone should supply their suggested solve, mine is { Gypyx, Black, Outworld }

I don't think I have one standout for sure, thankfully this thread is about to reach dormant phase so I may actually get around to the analysis I keep putting off that I've been needing to do for ages.

potentially most likely but wouldn't be surprised if I were wrong: Hu Tao, Outworld, Gypyx

Please just end the game then. I don't want to wait 8 days to lose

lol Hu Tao I have made it clear I will not rush. I did that to Dannflor and it did not go well

anyway, I'm nowhere close to being confident I'm right

[ketchup777]

tried to sleep, can't, there's only mafia in my brain

If you think psyche is town you gotta admit it's really impressive how he manages to be spot on about almost everything while still being minimally engaged and very much on the burnt out side of things

i shall return with newn insights

narrator: and here, my friends, we witness a case study on sleep deprivation

[ketchup777]

I really hope luca/jackson are not friendly neighbour+scum, this will really kill me. no way though. surely.

[ketchup777]

Ok guys, with pen, paper, 2 biscuits, sultanas and a banana milkshake, I have deduced that the mafia team MUST be one of the following teams.

I found all possible 7C3=35 combinations (yes, I am town, sorry, not doing 8C3 and wasting my time)
I first eliminated any where neither Gypyx or Psyche were present (got rid of 10 potential teams)
I then eliminated any which had Luca but not Jackson or Jackson but not Luca (a further 14 teams)
I then also removed Hu Tao / Psyche / OutWorld team as, with the logic Hu Tao brought me in post 2369, they have had ample time and opportunity to hammer Gypyx here. Expanding on that, his cannot be a sick scumteam not hammering because they fear a jailkeep, because Hu Tao is our alleged jailkeeper and it seems we would have no way to stop them winning.

These are the ten teams that are left, in listing order not of any indication of which I think is the most likely:

Hu Tao / Gypyx / Psyche
Hu Tao / Gypyx / Black
Hu Tao / Gypyx / Outworld
Hu Tao / Psyche / Black
Gypyx / Luca / Jackson
Gypyx / Psyche / Black
Gypyx / Psyche / Outworld
Gypyx / Black / Outworld
Luca / Jackson / Psyche
Psyche / Black / Outworld

Due to mod wifom, I think if Outworld is truthful with his macho claim as a townie, Hu Tao must also be town. This means the list can be reduced to:

Hu Tao / Gypyx / Outworld
Gypyx / Luca / Jackson
Gypyx / Psyche / Black
Gypyx / Psyche / Outworld
Gypyx / Black / Outworld
Luca / Jackson / Psyche
Psyche / Black / Outworld

7 possible case, guys. But I'm not 100% sure if I got the last step of logic right, so please comment. Come on, we can nail them.

[ketchup777]

Aren't you in agreement with a lot of what I've been saying now anyway?

I meant for how many more cases of scumteams it would leave. please don't do that to me jackson

[ketchup777]

Ok guys, with pen, paper, 2 biscuits, sultanas and a banana milkshake, I have deduced that the mafia team MUST be one of the following teams.

I found all possible 7C3=35 combinations (yes, I am town, sorry, not doing 8C3 and wasting my time)
I first eliminated any where neither Gypyx or Psyche were present (got rid of 10 potential teams)
I then eliminated any which had Luca but not Jackson or Jackson but not Luca (a further 14 teams)
I then also removed Hu Tao / Psyche / OutWorld team as, with the logic Hu Tao brought me in post 2369, they have had ample time and opportunity to hammer Gypyx here. Expanding on that, his cannot be a sick scumteam not hammering because they fear a jailkeep, because Hu Tao is our alleged jailkeeper and it seems we would have no way to stop them winning.

These are the ten teams that are left, in listing order not of any indication of which I think is the most likely:

Hu Tao / Gypyx / Psyche
Hu Tao / Gypyx / Black
Hu Tao / Gypyx / Outworld
Hu Tao / Psyche / Black
Gypyx / Luca / Jackson
Gypyx / Psyche / Black
Gypyx / Psyche / Outworld
Gypyx / Black / Outworld
Luca / Jackson / Psyche
Psyche / Black / Outworld

Due to mod wifom, I think if Outworld is truthful with his macho claim as a townie, Hu Tao must also be town. This means the list can be reduced to:

Hu Tao / Gypyx / Outworld
Gypyx / Luca / Jackson
Gypyx / Psyche / Black
Gypyx / Psyche / Outworld
Gypyx / Black / Outworld
Luca / Jackson / Psyche
Psyche / Black / Outworld

7 possible case, guys. But I'm not 100% sure if I got the last step of logic right, so please comment. Come on, we can nail them.

Too much maths is a dangerous thing, so nobody base your vote on this, but:

Gypyx cases: 5
Psyche cases: 4
Outworld cases: 4
Black cases: 3
Luca cases: 2
Jackson cases: 2
Hu Tao cases: 1

[ketchup777]

1. Hu Tao / Gypyx / Outworld

2. Gypyx / Luca / Jackson

3. Gypyx / Psyche / Black

4. Gypyx / Psyche / Outworld

5. Gypyx / Black / Outworld

6. Luca / Jackson / Psyche

7. Psyche / Black / Outworld

Setup stuff:

bear in mind mafia power is unknown. below setups are based on the assumption there are no outstanding town claims that are fake / hiding a PR

1. Odd-night vig, 1- shot watcher, 2 Masons

2. Odd-night vig, 1-shot watcher, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan

3. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan, 2 Masons

4. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

5. Odd-night vig, 1-shot watcher, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

6. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan

7. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

I must now seek out the wonders of sleep and bedtime. Will do my own analysis on stuff in the morning, but please, anyone, talk about this stuff.

[ketchup777]

I leave on a reminder to not vote, nay, to unvote! for we can solve this game. I believe in us

[ketchup777]

1. Hu Tao / Gypyx / Outworld

2. Gypyx / Luca / Jackson

3. Gypyx / Psyche / Black

4. Gypyx / Psyche / Outworld

5. Gypyx / Black / Outworld

6. Luca / Jackson / Psyche

7. Psyche / Black / Outworld

Setup stuff:

bear in mind mafia power is unknown. below setups are based on the assumption there are no outstanding town claims that are fake / hiding a PR

1. Odd-night vig, 1- shot watcher, 2 Masons

2. Odd-night vig, 1-shot watcher, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan

3. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan, 2 Masons

4. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

5. Odd-night vig, 1-shot watcher, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

6. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan

7. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

I must now seek out the wonders of sleep and bedtime. Will do my own analysis on stuff in the morning, but please, anyone, talk about this stuff.

every time you see a Neapolitan, insert a macho. sorry

[ketchup777]

goodnight everyone (:

[ketchup777]

i'm gonna be real ktechup, i think that if jackson and luca are scum fake crumbing mason they've deserved this win, i've never seen scum do that, and i especially think they would be more enthusiat about claiming their things

i also really wanna trust that his anger on me came from an honest and self-confident place

i mean, this doesn't matter from *my* pov of course but maybe you can use this to realize what's going on idk

Whether or not they’ve deserved it we can’t just give them an easy ride

[ketchup777]

anyways i think i wanna kill outworld today as it's probably something me and jackson can both compromise on

the only team (excluding Luca / Jackson worlds) where outworld isn't scum is Me / Psyche / black

on a mechanical standpoint this would make the setup :

3. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan, 2 Masons

this is a lot. assuming the Full neap gets 1 single clear and dies without being belived at first, this is at bare minimum 4 conftowns + additional town power

Notice how outworld has been constantly undermining the power of his role each time another PR claim comes out, that's no accident, he needs Neap to appear weaker than it is

and hopefully with the time bought by the outworld exe we have have hu tao perform a correct jailkeep and buy us room to get the lim we need between me / psyche

btw hu you absolutely should be using your jailkeep as a roleblock tonight methinks since there's 2 masons with roughly equal chances of getting killed anyways

You 100% know it’s psyche though, why compromise on something that’s not 100%?

[ketchup777]

Whether or not they’ve deserved it we can’t just give them an easy ride

yeah that's fair but like don't talk yourself into a loss also

all will be considered today

[ketchup777]

1. Hu Tao / Gypyx / Outworld

2. Gypyx / Luca / Jackson

3. Gypyx / Psyche / Black

4. Gypyx / Psyche / Outworld

5. Gypyx / Black / Outworld

6. Luca / Jackson / Psyche

7. Psyche / Black / Outworld

Spoiler:

Setup stuff:

bear in mind mafia power is unknown. below setups are based on the assumption there are no outstanding town claims that are fake / hiding a PR

1. Odd-night vig, 1- shot watcher, 2 Masons

2. Odd-night vig, 1-shot watcher, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan

3. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan, 2 Masons

4. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

5. Odd-night vig, 1-shot watcher, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

6. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan

7. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

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If Gypyx vs Psyche is not a bus, and Jackson+Luca are Masons, the only possible teams are

1. Hu Tao / Gypyx / Outworld
5. Gypyx / Black / Outworld
7. Psyche / Black / Outworld

Which have common multiple Outworld

but those are 2 assumptions I‘m not prepared to make yet

[ketchup777]

I also think, if Luca and Jackson are not Masons, it is far more likely that their teammate is Psyche, unless Gypyx+Jackson were so sick at coordinating, it just feels the argument was genuine

[ketchup777]

anyways i think i wanna kill outworld today as it's probably something me and jackson can both compromise on

the only team (excluding Luca / Jackson worlds) where outworld isn't scum is Me / Psyche / black

on a mechanical standpoint this would make the setup :

3. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan, 2 Masons

this is a lot. assuming the Full neap gets 1 single clear and dies without being belived at first, this is at bare minimum 4 conftowns + additional town power

Notice how outworld has been constantly undermining the power of his role each time another PR claim comes out, that's no accident, he needs Neap to appear weaker than it is

and hopefully with the time bought by the outworld exe we have have hu tao perform a correct jailkeep and buy us room to get the lim we need between me / psyche

btw hu you absolutely should be using your jailkeep as a roleblock tonight methinks since there's 2 masons with roughly equal chances of getting killed anyways

You 100% know it’s psyche though, why compromise on something that’s not 100%?

i'm more confident in Hu blocking a nightkill than in my ability to convince jackson it's not me

but, we both think it's outworld and we're in ELo so we need litterally every town to be on board

I’ll see what happens when I narrow down my pool of 7

[ketchup777]

anyways i think i wanna kill outworld today as it's probably something me and jackson can both compromise on

the only team (excluding Luca / Jackson worlds) where outworld isn't scum is Me / Psyche / black

on a mechanical standpoint this would make the setup :

3. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan, 2 Masons

this is a lot. assuming the Full neap gets 1 single clear and dies without being belived at first, this is at bare minimum 4 conftowns + additional town power

Notice how outworld has been constantly undermining the power of his role each time another PR claim comes out, that's no accident, he needs Neap to appear weaker than it is

and hopefully with the time bought by the outworld exe we have have hu tao perform a correct jailkeep and buy us room to get the lim we need between me / psyche

btw hu you absolutely should be using your jailkeep as a roleblock tonight methinks since there's 2 masons with roughly equal chances of getting killed anyways

You 100% know it’s psyche though, why compromise on something that’s not 100%?

besides like

unless it's you!scum i basically only have 1 scumteam in the range of possibilities

yes this is true

[ketchup777]

and i just don't it buy you being scum

you be right

[ketchup777]

I also think, if Luca and Jackson are not Masons, it is far more likely that their teammate is Psyche, unless Gypyx+Jackson were so sick at coordinating, it just feels the argument was genuine

honestly i think my argument with jackson is very strongly TvT

like, there's only so much you can do as scum when you're arguing with someone you know is town, eventually either you try to act reasonable or you slip up because you simply can't belive in what you're saying, like, you know the truth

here, both sides were *convinced* the other was scum trying to fuck with them

maybe, maybe.

[ketchup777]

1. Hu Tao / Gypyx / Outworld

2. Gypyx / Luca / Jackson

3. Gypyx / Psyche / Black

4. Gypyx / Psyche / Outworld

5. Gypyx / Black / Outworld

6. Luca / Jackson / Psyche

7. Psyche / Black / Outworld

Spoiler:

Setup stuff:

bear in mind mafia power is unknown. below setups are based on the assumption there are no outstanding town claims that are fake / hiding a PR

1. Odd-night vig, 1- shot watcher, 2 Masons

2. Odd-night vig, 1-shot watcher, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan

3. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan, 2 Masons

4. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

5. Odd-night vig, 1-shot watcher, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

6. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan

7. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

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If 2 is the team, we have:

Insanely prolonged+heated+unpleasant Jackson+Gypyx argument
all 3 on Dann's wagon (this is the only possible case where all 3 were on the wagon)
Jackson immediately coming in to slate Gypyx
Only 1 on Titus' wagon

I think this is the least likely one right now

Indeed, if the team is 6 (Luca / Jackson / Psyche), this is the only other case of 1 being on Titus' wagon, and Jackson had ample opportunity to hammer, so I look upon the masonry as quite likely now

[ketchup777]

1. Hu Tao / Gypyx / Outworld

2. Gypyx / Luca / Jackson

3. Gypyx / Psyche / Black

4. Gypyx / Psyche / Outworld

5. Gypyx / Black / Outworld

6. Luca / Jackson / Psyche

7. Psyche / Black / Outworld

Spoiler:

Setup stuff:

bear in mind mafia power is unknown. below setups are based on the assumption there are no outstanding town claims that are fake / hiding a PR

1. Odd-night vig, 1- shot watcher, 2 Masons

2. Odd-night vig, 1-shot watcher, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan

3. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan, 2 Masons

4. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

5. Odd-night vig, 1-shot watcher, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

6. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan

7. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

[/quote]

Number of members of the team on Dann's wagon

Note that all teams without Luca+Jackson had 3 on Titus' wagon. Teams with Luca+Jackson had only 1 person on the wagon.

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[ketchup777]

oops early send

[ketchup777]

1. Hu Tao / Gypyx / Outworld

2. Gypyx / Luca / Jackson

3. Gypyx / Psyche / Black

4. Gypyx / Psyche / Outworld

5. Gypyx / Black / Outworld

6. Luca / Jackson / Psyche

7. Psyche / Black / Outworld

Spoiler:

Setup stuff:

bear in mind mafia power is unknown. below setups are based on the assumption there are no outstanding town claims that are fake / hiding a PR

1. Odd-night vig, 1- shot watcher, 2 Masons

2. Odd-night vig, 1-shot watcher, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan

3. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan, 2 Masons

4. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

5. Odd-night vig, 1-shot watcher, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

6. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan

7. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

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Number of members of the team on Dann's wagon

Note that all teams without Luca+Jackson had 3 on Titus' wagon. Teams with Luca+Jackson had only 1 person on the wagon.

2

3

1

1

1

2

0

[ketchup777]

Ketchup, I get the impression that you're getting sucked into thinking gypyx is town based on her determination and activity. Am I right?

I certainly thought so yesterday. Today I am willing to be more open-minded

[ketchup777]

Luca, if you trust me here, the teams quoted in rainbow in 3012 are the only possible teams, if you could offer some time up to help me it would be much appreciated. I am more interested in eliminating them one by one rather than jumping immediately to the solve, until we get to a point where one person appears in all the likeliest teams

[ketchup777]

Ketchup, I get the impression that you're getting sucked into thinking gypyx is town based on her determination and activity. Am I right?

I certainly thought so yesterday. Today I am willing to be more open-minded

Ok, glad to hear it.

It really reminds me of my best scum game where I was super motivated and active in ELO, and a player named Elements, who was town and telling the truth, was quite resigned just like psyche, because they knew they couldn't compete with me in that form.

Psyche's posts ring with honesty, while gypyx really feels as though she has been pushing an agenda for the most part.

Hmm okey

[ketchup777]

Have you ever been a mason before?

[ketchup777]

I don’t know enough to complete setup analysis on 3012

pedit: thank you Luca

[ketchup777]

1. Hu Tao / Gypyx / Outworld

2. Gypyx / Luca / Jackson

3. Gypyx / Psyche / Black

4. Gypyx / Psyche / Outworld

5. Gypyx / Black / Outworld

6. Luca / Jackson / Psyche

7. Psyche / Black / Outworld

Setup stuff:

bear in mind mafia power is unknown. below setups are based on the assumption there are no outstanding town claims that are fake / hiding a PR

1. Odd-night vig, 1- shot watcher, 2 Masons

2. Odd-night vig, 1-shot watcher, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan

3. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan, 2 Masons

4. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

5. Odd-night vig, 1-shot watcher, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

6. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan

7. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, 2 Masons

I must now seek out the wonders of sleep and bedtime. Will do my own analysis on stuff in the morning, but please, anyone, talk about this stuff.

Am I correct that 3 and 5 seem like too much town power?

[ketchup777]

VOTE: OutWorldEr

the walls are closing in my friend

It seems the likeliest scumteams are 1, 4 and 7

[ketchup777]

Yeah you're correct they are both triple confirmed townies setups + the potential to get guilties / more innos

to compare things, 3 masons vs 3 goons is considered balanced generally

Thank you